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#rockbox log for 2013-02-28

00:01:47Raptors!seen pamary
00:02:41Raptors!seen pamaury
00:11:06[Saint]!annoy pamaury ;)
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00:19:54[Saint]copper: brainfart about %?in:
00:20:43[Saint]It may be, that, instead of checking for the presence of the tag - that it's trying to set up a condition against the value returned?
00:21:25[Saint]like: %?in<0|1|2|3|...> etc.
00:22:10[Saint]I'm nowhere near anywhere where I can check that out, but the thought occurred to me regardless.
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01:01:09soaphow do I "watch" or "subscribe" to a patch on
01:06:57JdGordoncopper: ah crap, I may have broken that on the weekend
01:06:59JdGordonfile a bug
01:08:12JdGordon;a=commit;h=a395a34 probably broke oit
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02:24:16Raptors[Saint], are yo a div?
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02:46:05[Saint]Raptors: that depends on your requirement for the title...but, why, anyway?
02:46:44Raptorswas wonder if anything big happened since the last update that boosted the battery life
02:46:53Raptors(fuze +)
02:47:27JdGordoncheck the git log
02:47:50[Saint]What, to you, is "the last update"? Do you literally mean the last commit against HEAD, and the one immediately before it - or?
02:48:21[Saint]If so, I would say no. But you likely have some other starting point I'm unaware of.
02:52:37[Saint]the build that's on there now isn't really of any interest at all.
02:52:53[Saint]I can't answer your question without know what the build on there prior was.
02:55:18[Saint]the only commit I can see that would make a stand-out improment for that target is;a=commit;h=e9f8846
02:55:24[Saint]and that was 18th of Jan
02:59:07Raptorsya, that is the update I was talking about
02:59:14RaptorsI was wonder if there has been anything since then
03:00:04[Saint]Nothing I can see that should make a notable improvement.
03:00:26[Saint]CPU scaling is really "the big one", and that's not exactly /recent/.
03:01:51[Saint]Before that, the CPU was running at full 24/4, allowing boost/un-boost makes a massive difference.
03:02:28[Saint]Most of the time you'll only be boosting buring decode and buffer, and on UI interaction.
03:03:51[Saint]There was apparently some other bug with DMA fixed a while ago, but I don't think that would make a "Wow!" kind of improvement to battery life.
03:04:12[Saint]I suspect the commit you're thinking about is CPU scaling.
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03:06:45Raptorsyes it is
03:07:10RaptorsI'm on the cpu scaling one and my mp3 player has been running for 31 hours
03:07:16Raptorsa bit more than 31 hours
03:07:23Raptors~20% left
03:08:06Raptorstrying to drain the rest of it out to see how long it can run
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03:21:28[Saint]Using 'Settings -> Manage Settings -> Reset Settings' can cause some pretty awesome graphical glitches.
03:22:37[Saint]It seems it'll either mess up the font (random glyphs get swapped out with garbage), or screw up the icons (random icons are scattered with garbage), or both, or neither.
03:23:47[Saint]The test case is vanilla HEAD on an iPod Color - with an absolutely clean install on a newly formatted disk.
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04:49:45Raptorsthis thing wont run out of juice lol
04:49:49Raptors~33 hours
04:49:59Raptorsthen again, there is no screen usage
04:50:05RaptorsI guess this is somewhat normal
04:51:22[Saint]The "fat" Classic is a beast in that regard. Even with the original CE-ATA HDD.
04:51:33Raptorshow long?
04:51:37[Saint]It gets around ~40-50hours
04:51:52RaptorsIs it bad to draint all the battery?
04:51:55[Saint]With an SSD, it's just silly :)
04:51:59Raptorsalmost all*
04:52:24[Saint]No, Rockbox will shutdown within a safe operating range.
04:54:13[Saint]We wouldn't be deliberately doing anything that was unsafe. It's absolutely fine to run the player until it shuts down, and then do either a full or partial charge, and do it again. Just the same as it is absolutely fine to charge the battery whenever you please.
05:01:39[Saint]As far as I am aware, the only thing you need to avoid wrt: battery care - is storing the battery while it is deep discharged, or at full charge.
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06:57:54JdGordoncopper: fixed
06:58:07JdGordonwell, reverted the change
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07:49:43ryuoWhat are the main advantages of rockbox over stock firmware for fully supported devices?
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08:01:09ryuoJdGordon: spammers?
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08:09:12ryuoJdGordon: and uh thanks for the link
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09:43:06Raptors36 hours and 26 min runtime
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09:43:12Raptors4% left
09:43:16Raptorsgoing to put it to charging
09:43:30Raptorssomeone update the wiki
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10:06:53JdGordonRaptors: its a wiki....
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11:00:40sargwodz: did you manage to put custom loader for rk27?
11:01:09wodzsarg: what you mean? In flash? or in general?
11:01:15sargin flash
11:02:02sargi found that FlashData.bin is really the same DRAM init procedure
11:02:27sargand I made success in disassembling FlashBoot.bin, it is just kernel loader + FTL
11:02:39wodzI didn't try because I didn't implement ftl yet. I chain load my loader from original one currently.
11:02:49sargso, I am thinking that u-boot is possible on my device
11:03:15wodzOnce I rework ftl there will be no technical barrier to flash custom loader
11:03:29sargalso, there is guy who soldered serial cable for his device, and I got full logs of device boot
11:03:37sargyou were right, rk30usbplug is fallback mode
11:05:31sargFTL depends on how NAND is wired with SoC ?
11:06:38sargso, isn't it possible to find FTL in some linux kernel sources for similar NAND chips ?
11:06:43wodzThis is abstracting layer which presents underlaying flash as pure block device.
11:07:25wodzThe layout is 100% arbitrary choice
11:08:10wodzyou know flash are block erasable and page writable, you need to make write leveling etc.
11:08:40wodzthis is MUCH different to the expectations of block driver layer
11:09:41wodzThe thing is that ftl driver needs to be somewhere in this kernel sources (or should be rather). Its just that it can be in binary form
11:10:09sargi am hoping I could get FTL from linux sources, I am tired of this disassembly shit
11:10:20wodzrk28xx kernel sources I saw have ftl part as source and rk29xx kernel sources provided only .o object
11:11:12wodzIt may be as well they dropped their custom ftl and used something standard on your platform
11:11:21sargdo you know if IDA can generate C pseudocode for ARM>
11:12:25wodzyes it can if you have such module installed (IIRC you need ida > 6.0 for this and decompiler module for arm of course)
11:12:54sargi got 6.1 and hex-rays plugin
11:13:08wodzthats separate AFAIK
11:13:16sargit generate pseudocode for x86, but not for arm
11:19:06wodzsarg: If I were you I would try to figure out where from ftl functions come in linux sources for your platform.
11:19:54wodzsarg: start from reading rk3066-kernel/drivers/mtd/rknand/*
11:21:19wodzbut I guess the sources are incomplete as there is no ftl.h file which is referenced in nand_config.h
11:22:00wodzOR they used include/linux/mtd/ftl.h
11:22:07wodzso something standard
11:24:15sargok, when I get bootrom i will dig into u-boot and ftl
11:26:02sargas for IDA, seems my setup does not contain hex-rays ARM decompiler\
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11:28:21sargwodz: do you have such plugin?
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12:05:38copperJdGordon: I confirm that it works now
12:06:06b4980is there any way i can get the starfield demo running on my pc?
12:06:35b4980using windows
12:08:00b4980i've tried using the classic screensaver but it's not as good
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12:12:10gevaertsIf you mean as a screensaver, you can't
12:12:26b4980not as a screensaver
12:12:36gevaertsYou can run a rockbox simulator on windows, which will have the plugins
12:12:52b4980that's perfect
12:13:13b4980can you show me where to get it?
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12:13:43b4980thank you very nice :D
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12:15:57b4980and is there any way I could make it bigger?
12:16:17Tornethe simulators are designed to simulate a specific device with a specific screen size
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12:16:47b4980oh alright
12:18:23wodzYou can always look how it is coded and port it as native app. This should be fairly trivial.
12:18:49b4980yeah it's kind of out of my league
12:18:54gevaertsThere's −−zoom, but that won't look very nice
12:19:16b4980i know
12:19:40b4980so i suppose the demo is also coded for the certain resolution
12:20:04wodzour devices have many different resolutions
12:20:37Torneit's *coded* to run on whatever, but any given copy of it is *compiled* for just one resolution
12:21:20b4980yeah but just as a rockbox file right?
12:25:54b4980what would i need to get/learn in order to get it to work on windows with high res?
12:26:49b4980i'd really love to use this into some visuals
12:27:10wodzto understand our code you need to know C
12:28:42b4980i know the basics of pascal but i doni can't go much further
12:28:48b4980i don't think i can go*
12:28:51b4980oh well
12:29:04b4980thanks for clearing this for me anyway :)
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17:40:34ScallHello everyone, I've just installed Rockbox on my Sansa Clip Zip :)
17:56:24ScallAre directory ##MUSIC## and ##PORT## in the root of my Sansa Clip Zip created by Rockbox?
17:57:15Torneno, that's where the original firmware stores stuff
17:57:29Torneit doesn't show them, but they always existed :)
17:57:36Torneif youd elete them they will just get recreated every time you boot the OF
17:58:22Torneif you're annoyed by seeing them, mark them as hidden from a PC and rockbox won't show them either unless you set "SHow Files" to all
18:02:37copperTorne: how do you do that on linux?
18:03:40Tornei think if you mount with the right options the archive/hidden/system bits get exposed as extended attributes
18:03:47gevaertsIf not, mtools
18:03:58Torneand you can manipulate them with fattr
18:04:01Torneor,yea, mtools
18:04:03gevaertsOf course, getting mtools to work properly is an art in itself :)
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18:06:08copperis pamaury on vacation?
18:06:32ScallTorne: ok, thanks. So can I remove all the directories listed here → ?
18:06:56ScallI've already make a backup
18:07:20Torneyou can remove anything you like other than the rockbox directory
18:07:33Tornebut, many of those will be recreated if the original firmware ever rus, which you will find you probably end up doing sometimes
18:07:42Torneso, it's usually easier to just hide them
18:08:31ScallI don't think to use the OF, I'm happy with Rockbox
18:09:00Tornei didn't mean you would *use* it :)
18:09:29Tornepeople often need to boot it to recover from breaking something in rockbox, or similar, as it provides USB access that isn't so easily taken out by a mistake ;)
18:10:12amayerdoes anyone else use pitch/semitone/timestrech for listening to podcasts? im trying to find good settings without making the podcast sound like chipmonks
18:11:12Scallah, I see thanks. Then I'll hide the directories
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18:15:07ScallI can also hide the files MTABLE.SYS, RES_INFO.SYS, SYS_CONF.SYS, UPGRADE.FIN, version.sdk, DID.bin, in the root, and I will always can boot the OF, right?
18:15:16[Saint]WHy the frig is precut not defines in eq_mehu.h nicely like the other eq things are :-S
18:15:23TorneScall: the OF doesn't need any files on the disk to boot at all
18:15:30Tornethey ar ejhust saved settings, caches, etc
18:15:46Tornethe firmware is in a part of the flash that's nt part of the filesystem.
18:15:51Torne(as is the Rockbox bootloader)
18:17:31[Saint]Who feels like enlightening me as to how I might be able to get 0.1dB stepping for the precut value as opposed to 0.5dB?
18:17:59[Saint]I _think_ I should be looking around line 64 of eq_menu.c, but, I don't really understand what's happening there.
18:18:55[Saint]No, hum....shit, I dunno.
18:22:11[Saint]ah, way off track.
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18:23:10n1s[Saint]: why do you want that?
18:23:16ScallTorne: ok, thanks again. Now I'll put some music on my player and go run with Rockbox :)
18:24:03[Saint]n1s: I dropped the Q and gain min_step to 0.1dB,, and because I can.
18:24:15[Saint]But now the precut menu doesn't match.
18:24:27n1suh, ok
18:25:41[Saint]It's kinda ridiculous to believe that most targets and gear would be sensitive enough for even 0.5dB incrementing, but....hey - why not?
18:26:27n1ssome dacs even have 1.5dB volume steps :)
18:26:39[Saint]May as well add it to my other slew of eq-related patches that ren't being committed ;)
18:28:38[Saint]I figured it out, by the by, I forgot it's easiest to track down menu functions by the lang string instead of looking where you'd think they were :)
18:28:49[Saint]Some of the menu related files are a bit...scattered.
18:31:49[Saint]git stash && git pull −−rebase && git stash pop
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20:02:03kinglerHi. Can you set rockbox to mount file system as read only, so it is impossible to delete files on the mp3 player?
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20:05:26gevaertskingler: no, although that might be a reasonably easy code change
20:05:45gevaertsHm, wait
20:05:49copperI know how to do it on the computer's side with linux
20:06:07copperadd 'ro' to the options column in /etc/fstab
20:06:14kinglermaybe that will work
20:06:17gevaertsDo you want it to be read-only over USB, or in the rockbox UI?
20:06:24kinglerin the rockbox UI
20:07:01gevaertsRight, that might be more complicated
20:07:31gevaertsYou probably don't want full read-only, because that will break settings and things like resuming playback when restarting
20:07:47kinglerread only for the microSD
20:07:54gevaertsAh, right. Easier again :)
20:07:54kinglerbecause all music is there
20:09:08kinglerwell there is no /etc/fstab file
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20:10:55AlexPIf you mean on Rockbox, then no of course not
20:10:57gevaertsYou'll need code changes, but the easy way would be something like returning immediately from the write function in the sd driver if the drive is microsd. That means you can't write over usb either, and that if you try to write things might crash, but you won't be able to write there from the UI :)
20:11:04AlexPFor a start, it isn't linux :)
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20:15:38[Saint]Yeah, pretty sure copper was on another planet doing an impersonation of me there ;)
20:16:02[Saint]your /etc/fstab comment.
20:16:16gevaerts"on the computer's side with linux"
20:16:21gevaertsWas fairly clear to me :)
20:16:51AlexPme too
20:16:54CtcpIgnored 3 channel CTCP requests in 41 seconds at the last flood
20:16:54*[Saint] stabs quassel in the face
20:17:12[Saint]I have no such line here.
20:17:19[Saint]But, it's clearly visible in the weblogs
20:17:25*[Saint] apologizes
20:17:29copperthis isn't the first time this happens
20:18:23[Saint]No, you're right, but I've wiped out my core since the last instance of it occurring. I'm not sure what to look for.
20:18:58[Saint]It's difficult/impossible to tell if I'm missing any information from my logs alone without comparing them to known complete logs.
20:19:14copperznc gives me backlogs
20:19:17[Saint]I've bugged quassel people about this but it's shrugs all round.
20:20:44[Saint]For the most part, it's ok, but ever so often someone references something that's nowhere to be found in my logs.
20:21:22kinglerwell can you hide the Files option
20:21:26AlexPtopic chaps
20:21:26kinglerfrom the main menu?
20:21:37AlexPkingler: yes, the main menu is customisable
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20:21:44AlexPvia the config file
20:21:47kinglerok thanks
20:21:49AlexPShould be in the manual
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20:22:56gevaertsYou'll still be able to delete stuff from the context menu though
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20:34:14*[Saint] now has what is quite possibly the most foolishly unnecessarily adjustable EQ for a DAp on the face of the earth
20:35:01[Saint]frequency, gain, precut, and q, all adjustable by 0.1dB increments.
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20:36:51kinglerwhat button do you press tos ave settings?
20:36:55kinglerto save settings
20:37:43[Saint]They're saved as they're selected.
20:37:53kinglergot it
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20:38:41[Saint]if you change a value and then exit the screen without it being saved you'll see a "cabcelled" splash.
20:38:52[Saint]*cancelled too
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20:40:52*[Saint] wonders if it might be useful to make the stepping for EQ adjustment user-adjustable.
20:41:35[Saint](being able to select increments between 0.1 and NdB for gain, precut, etc.
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20:41:58[Saint]Screw's something to do.
20:42:52[Saint]Shouldn't the context menu action for the main menu's "System" item be Rockbox Info or so?
20:43:11[Saint]Instead of going to the totally unrelated Settings - General Settings - System sub?
20:43:44*[Saint] prods a non-yet-woken JdGordon about this
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20:45:07[Saint]JdGordon: (logs) another thing I wanted to poke you about - why can't I add any given menu entry to the shortcuts list? This drastically decreases its usefulness.
20:46:34[Saint]Say, for instance, I wanted ready access to the sound settings - the best thing I could do is navigate to the sound settings through every sub-menu and manually add each and every setting to the shortcuts lists - instead of just being able to ass "Sound Settings" which would be infinitely more useful IMO
20:48:26[Saint]Long story short, the only thing you shouldn't be able to add to the shortcuts menu is the shortcuts menu itself. Make it so. :P
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22:18:51r0b-can rockbox tell me how much current the mp3 player is pulling off a charger?
22:22:52r0b-nvm it cant.
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22:31:50RaptorsJdGordon, without permissions?
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