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#rockbox log for 2013-03-03

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05:40:57[Saint]It's always good to get a "You're doing it right" post amongst all the "HAaaaaaallllp!!!1!1, my <device> is brokez0rz, and its ur fault!!1!!" posts.
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07:02:19PurlingNayukiAnyone helps me to review the translation commit?
07:02:33PurlingNayukiGerrit Change-Id: I153f42687cf855835b7a41b5b3adc4bf120f7f61
07:05:22[Saint]protip: " g#3-digit-change-id" generates a link to the review.
07:05:35fs-bluebotGerrit review #123 at : Add an alternative analogic touchpad sensitivity setting by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/23/123/8)
07:06:18PurlingNayukiLet me try...
07:07:59PurlingNayukiShould be...G#413
07:08:00fs-bluebotGerrit review #413 at : update Chinese(Simplified) translation by PurlingNayuki (changes/13/413/1)
07:08:58[Saint]It isn't a bad thing doing so, all reviews are good reviews, but I thought all translations were done via ?
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07:09:20[Saint]I think it is assumed that you, as a native speaker, are likely the best candidate for review.
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07:10:21PurlingNayukiSorry, my first time to gerrit.
07:10:31[Saint]I'm not sure how well known that url is, though.
07:10:45[Saint]Apparently "not well known enough" :)
07:11:11PurlingNayukiSurely not well known enough :P
07:11:15[Saint]Also, don't apologize, every review is a good review. :)
07:11:35PurlingNayukiI'd like someone help me to merge my translation update into master
07:12:18[Saint]I'm not sure how many native speaking Chinese developers are present.
07:13:30[Saint] offers some insight into the process.
07:13:59[Saint]I _think_ it is assumed that you, as the native speaker, are the best review candidate.
07:15:23PurlingNayukiI'm very interested in Rockbox and pay a continuous attion on it. Actually I think I'm not the best Chinese developer in Rockbox team(?) but at present I'm the only one
07:15:42[Saint] only seems to allow the editing of *missing* strings, though, so this is likely not the bast way to do it.
07:15:54[Saint]As you seem to have made changes to existing strings as well.
07:16:10[Saint]Gerrit is the right place for this I'm sure. I just don't know who could review it.
07:17:36[Saint]Oh...hum. I thought the translation site automated the patch upload, but it seems it just spits out a diff for you to put on the tracker/Gerrit anyway. Heh.
07:18:32PurlingNayukiI noticed that some existing string are not very readable and understandable, so I change them.
07:20:39PurlingNayukiI interested in Rockbox but don't know much about it... So I can just help test some gerrit changes and do some translation :(
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07:26:44[Saint]We all started the same way. ;)
07:27:16[Saint]I am nowhere near confident in my coding abilities, and have a lot to learn. Rockbox gives me a nice environment to do so.
07:29:08PurlingNayukiYes it is
07:30:35PurlingNayukiI started my rockbox with Onda VX747
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21:25:11pixelmahmm, how do I build and run an SDL app (for designing a theme) in a linux VM but for Windows7?
21:26:17pixelmaunfortunately the wiki search doesn't seem to work
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21:26:47pixelmaI didn't think the SDL app was a sim?
21:27:11gevaertsDoes the SDL app run on windows?
21:27:12funmanprobably not but same setup should work?
21:27:15[Saint]technically, it is, I guess. Rather, the same/similar rules apply.
21:27:38[Saint]the important bit is just the mingw32 setup.
21:27:39pixelmaand I already tried building an SDL app configured as sim
21:27:48gevaertsThat won't work
21:27:49pixelmawhich failed
21:28:04pixelmayeah, didn't make sense to me either
21:28:21[Saint]SDL app...configured as a sim? That sounds like it's destined for failure.
21:28:22pixelmain the end
21:28:50[Saint]a "normal" build should "just work".
21:29:01pixelmagevaerts: and I don't know if the SDL app runs on Windows but I hoped it would
21:29:03funmanperhaps configure's 'W' only applies to sim
21:29:06[Saint](provided the correct environment is present)
21:29:30*gevaerts decides to find out
21:31:27pixelma[Saint]: then I configured for the SDL app as a "normal" build but didn't get something that looked like a file that was executable on Windows
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21:32:29funmanlook in config.h to see what CC is set to
21:33:00funmanwell if you didn't use 'W' then it's a native (linux) build
21:34:37gevaertsW seems to be totally ignored for app builds
21:35:29pixelmaI admit to not having known about "W" so far (or I forgot)
21:36:21*[Saint] seems to recall building an SDL app for Win32 at some point without too much additional f***ery.
21:36:32[Saint]...or, at least, f***ery I was capable of.
21:37:31funmanforgery? like disguising /usr/bin/gcc as a cross compiler? ;)
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21:47:04gevaertspixelma: if you add 'win32crosscompile="yes"' to configure on line 3198 (just under "200|sdlapp)"), you
21:47:21gevaerts'll get a windows build. I couldn't find a way to do it without editing configure
21:47:52gevaertsWhen I try that, tagcache doesn't build, so I disabled that for now in firmware/export/config/sdlapp.h
21:48:17gevaertsWith that, I get a binary, although the logic that's supposed to append .exe to the filename apparently got confused somewhere
21:48:56gevaertswine doesn't manage to run it though, no idea if real windows will
21:49:44gevaertsmaybe a threading issue. Let's try −−sdl-threads
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21:50:13wodzWhen do we release?
21:53:04[Saint]Soon, I imagine.
21:54:29pixelmagevaerts: in the source's configure?
21:54:51[Saint]wodz: slap AlexP about a bit.
21:55:10AlexPtomorrow now, I hope
21:55:19AlexPIt was going to be today but I ran out of time
21:55:40AlexPIf anyone would like to check translation updates on the ml, flyspray and gerrit that would help
21:56:12[Saint]There's one I'm not sure anyone *can* check...due to lack of native Chinese speakers.
21:56:24AlexPI don't mean like that
21:56:53pixelmaand in other news, trying to crosscompile a Fuze+ sim fails in rockblox.c for me. I just wanted to try if crosscompiling works at all in this environment but maybe chosing the Fuze+ wasn't too clever. Later I'll try a different one but probably not today anymore
21:56:59AlexPI mean whether they aren't obviously wrong (e.g. remove/change/add wrong things), that they apply, that they compile, that they don't affect anything else etc etc
21:57:21AlexPI just assume that the translation itself is correct as I can't check them
21:57:33[Saint]I'll pull some and spawn some builds, but I won't be able to test until I get home.
21:57:44AlexPthanks, that would be a great help
21:57:52[Saint](which is fine if release is tomorrow, gives me all day)
21:58:10AlexPI'll do it tomorrow night hopefully, but if someone has prechecked them then it is much quicker to just commit them :)
21:58:19*[Saint] nods
21:58:20AlexPtomorrow night UK :)
21:58:33zamboniwho has
21:58:43AlexPzamboni: not here please
21:58:54*[Saint] reminds zamboni for the millionth time that there is a topic here
21:59:00zamboniuh oh saint is here
21:59:03zamboninevermind then
21:59:20AlexPzamboni: stay on topic, and especially with respect to things like piracy
21:59:31AlexPThey aren't welcome here, you will be banned
22:01:39pixelmagevaerts: with this line added, the build also fails in tagcache
22:02:11gevaertspixelma: yes. I commented HAVE_TAGCACHE out in config/sdlapp.h
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22:02:47pixelmaok, I'll try that too then
22:03:15gevaertspixelma: I get the same problem with the fuze+ sim, but the fuze sim builds fine (and runs on windows)
22:03:32funmanpixelma: what was the rockblox error?
22:03:40gevaertsThe sdl app I managed to build *doesn't* run. It shows a rockbox splash, and then it dies
22:03:41pixelmait seems to be some placement of text issue
22:04:01gevaertsfunman: apps/plugins/rockblox.c:928:20: error: expected ‘)’ before numeric constant
22:05:37pixelmagevaerts: so that's not the solution then. But thanks for looking into it
22:06:22gevaertsI suspect the file io function selection magic doesn't work when crosscompiling
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22:09:07pixelmadoesn't sound like an easy thing to fix. For my simplistic use-case I wonder if I could trick the D2 sim (for the touch display tags) into having another screen size, maybe disable plugins or so
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22:53:55gevaertspixelma: is enough to get something that at least starts. I haven't tested playback
22:54:59gevaertsYou'll probably want to change the rbpaths.c change to something that makes sense for you. I don't know what "/tmp" maps to on windows, possibly c:\tmp
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22:55:43gevaertsAccording to the comments in tagcache.c, it's not currently expected to work for app builds on windows, so disabling #define HAVE_TAGCACHE is expected for now
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22:56:01gevaertsAlso, you'll want to rename the resulting rockbox to rockbox.exe
22:56:55gevaertsThere's also the −−prefix argument to configure that you may have to set just right to make the thing find codecs and plugins...
22:57:07*gevaerts suggests asking kugel for help with that part :)
22:57:57*gevaerts points out that his rbpaths.c change there is a hack to get things to run, not a proposed real solution
23:05:00funmangevaerts: there's no C:/tmp , on windows it's in %APPDATA%/something
23:05:14gevaertsThere could be!
23:05:21gevaertsAnyway, that bit needs to be done better
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