| 00:00:10 | [Saint] | ...doesn't come close. |
| 00:00:28 | corona_ | ok why? |
| 00:01:05 | [Saint] | Is it not obvious? The level of configuration that VLC offers - when compared to Rockbox - is essentially non-existent. |
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| 00:01:55 | [Saint] | No audio player software for DAPs and mobile devices does. |
| 00:04:25 | [Saint] | Rockbox has the most extensive feature set and configuration options I have ever encountered. Not to mention the skin engine...nothing I know of comes close to that. |
| 00:05:38 | [Saint] | The main difference I see between Rockbox and <insert_other_software_here> is that Rockbox offers the user the ability to change the look and feel of...well....everything. |
| 00:05:57 | [Saint] | *almost everything |
| 00:07:35 | corona_ | its like saying developing rockbox for ios |
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| 00:08:16 | [Saint] | cAN WE TRY THAT SENTENCE AGAIN IN A CONFIGURATION THAT MAKES SENSE? ;) |
| 00:08:21 | [Saint] | bah, caps. |
| 00:08:25 | corona_ | WUT |
| 00:09:31 | [Saint] | "[12:07:37] <corona_> its like saying developing rockbox for ios" <−− could you try rephrasing this please? It makes no sense to me. |
| 00:10:48 | * | TheSeven accuses [Saint] of looking at the keyboard while typing |
| 00:11:09 | corona_ | making a app for ios just like the android one |
| 00:11:34 | TheSeven | if apple wouldn't be quite as restrictive, someone would probably have done that already |
| 00:11:36 | Torne | what would be weird about that? |
| 00:12:03 | [Saint] | TheSeven: Indeed - coupled with the fact that this keyboard has no visual indicator (LED, etc.) for the caps or num lock :) |
| 00:12:05 | corona_ | cydia |
| 00:12:17 | Torne | yes, it could be distributed as an app for jailbroken phones |
| 00:12:22 | [Saint] | Nothing is stopping you from doing so - go for it. |
| 00:12:24 | Torne | nobody has done it |
| 00:13:07 | Torne | [Saint]: i would say the skinning in rockbox is the least interesting thing about it on android |
| 00:13:17 | Torne | in fact, the way we do the UI is the reason i don't use rockbox on android :) |
| 00:13:28 | Torne | if it used ugly boring stadnard android list widgets i'd use it immediately |
| 00:13:36 | Torne | the playback engine is the part taht's nice, not the UI :) |
| 00:13:47 | [Saint] | If more of our developers used iOS based devices, I'm sure it would've happened already. But, nothing is stopping anyone else from doing so. |
| 00:13:51 | scorche|sh | "Rockbox has something for everyone!" ;) |
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| 00:32:21 | * | [Saint] is working on user-configurable stepping for the EQ |
| 00:32:38 | [Saint] | ...do you think there's any hope for this - assuming it's well done? |
| 00:34:44 | [Saint] | What I mean is being able to configure the stepping (possibly separate values for gain, precut and q) for gain, precut, and q from 0.1db - NdB |
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| 00:35:56 | kugel | [Saint]: I don't think so. it smells like "configure how you configure something" which we generally don't like |
| 00:36:59 | kugel | Also, IMO, it's not worth the effort and/or binsize |
| 00:37:36 | * | [Saint] is reminded that he wants to unify the values offered for a LOT of settings. |
| 00:38:13 | [Saint] | For example: Some settings have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... - other have 1, 5, 10, 15, etc |
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| 00:49:37 | JdGordon | [Saint]: yeah, sounds a bit pointless... hoeveer if you want to try making the stepping logic more sensible that wouold be good |
| 00:50:44 | [Saint] | What I want to get to the bottom of - but haven't looked to hard at - is the EQ_*_FAST_STEP values |
| 00:50:49 | [Saint] | and when they are used. |
| 00:51:41 | [Saint] | I only have scrollwheel based targets to test on really - and it seems that scrolling isn't counted as a button repeat, which is what I guess triggers the fast step. |
| 00:53:21 | JdGordon | are you talking about in the graphical eq or the menu? |
| 00:53:50 | [Saint] | GEQ |
| 00:54:13 | [Saint] | The menus - iiuc - should have their own list acceleration logic. |
| 00:54:31 | [Saint] | ...but, possibly only for touchscreen? |
| 00:55:03 | [Saint] | At least, that's the only place I have actually seen the acceleration configure options. |
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| 01:13:10 | corona_ | how do i make my icons in color they are all white |
| 01:14:26 | [Saint] | corona_: what theme are you using? |
| 01:15:16 | [Saint] | It sounds like you applied the "rockbox default icons" config from Settings - Theme Settings - Browse Theme Files |
| 01:15:49 | [Saint] | Just re-apply <whatever_theme_you_are_using> |
| 01:16:05 | [Saint] | ...from the menu listed above |
| 01:17:14 | corona_ | yea all my icons are just white and they dont change when i reapply a theme |
| 01:18:04 | [Saint] | That means that <whatever_theme_you're_using> isn't setting its own icons. |
| 01:18:19 | [Saint] | Apple cabbiev2, and then apply the theme you want. |
| 01:18:28 | corona_ | u mean apply? |
| 01:18:31 | [Saint] | Derp. s/Apple/Apply/ |
| 01:19:02 | * | [Saint] got bitten by autocomplete on his phone |
| 01:19:44 | corona_ | 9 |
| 01:19:47 | corona_ | wut |
| 01:19:56 | corona_ | no cabbiev2 is being retarded |
| 01:20:12 | corona_ | its not even cabbiev2 |
| 01:20:21 | [Saint] | CabbieV2 definitely sets the icons to the Tango! icon set. Apply cabbieV2, and then apply whatever theme you're wanting to use afterward. |
| 01:20:26 | corona_ | it has this blue background |
| 01:20:33 | corona_ | its wierd |
| 01:20:47 | [Saint] | you applied "rockbox_failsafe" |
| 01:22:12 | [Saint] | Aha! It seems you'll need to be using a current build for cabbieV2 to apply the Tango! iconset. |
| 01:22:33 | [Saint] | http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=9302300 |
| 01:22:46 | [Saint] | "Make Cabbiev2 enable icons when selected " |
| 01:23:00 | corona_ | but i am i just reinstalled rockbox |
| 01:23:21 | [Saint] | Oh....hum, weird. |
| 01:23:36 | [Saint] | Applying CabbieV2 should definitely set the icons correctly. |
| 01:23:55 | [Saint] | where "correctly" == "Tango! iconset" |
| 01:24:05 | corona_ | i got white icons after first reboot :-( |
| 01:24:30 | corona_ | i installed all themes so maybe? |
| 01:24:43 | [Saint] | maybe what? |
| 01:24:59 | [Saint] | The amount of themes you hav e installed is irrelevant. |
| 01:25:03 | corona_ | i know |
| 01:25:23 | corona_ | time to restore via itunes and try again :-) |
| 01:25:24 | [Saint] | Then I'm doubly confused by that statement. |
| 01:25:34 | [Saint] | WHat? No. That's just silly. |
| 01:25:38 | [Saint] | There's no need for that. |
| 01:25:46 | corona_ | cant do any harm |
| 01:26:01 | [Saint] | ...but, it's entirely useless. |
| 01:26:25 | [Saint] | All you need to do to achieve exactly the same effect (rather, the effect you want) is remove config.cfg |
| 01:26:49 | corona_ | i cant find it unfourtunally :-( |
| 01:26:51 | [Saint] | Restoring via iTunes is *waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay* over the top for this. |
| 01:27:00 | corona_ | oh well to late lol |
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| 01:27:12 | [Saint] | ...you can't find config.cfg? |
| 01:27:14 | corona_ | maybe because im on mountain lion |
| 01:27:24 | corona_ | yea coundnt even find rockbox folder |
| 01:27:41 | [Saint] | it's hidden by default on unixlike systems |
| 01:27:48 | corona_ | :-/ |
| 01:27:51 | corona_ | awesome |
| 01:28:01 | corona_ | wish i known dat before |
| 01:28:01 | [Saint] | Also, you'll need to restore for a Windows system. |
| 01:28:07 | corona_ | wut |
| 01:28:07 | [Saint] | Rockbos doesn't do macpods. |
| 01:28:12 | corona_ | que |
| 01:28:30 | corona_ | AWESOME TIME TO BOOT MY VIRTUAL MACHINE |
| 01:29:34 | [Saint] | Better I told you before you started, I guess. Otherwise you'd have the installer tell you that you have a macpod, as opposed to a winpod, and tell you to restore from a Windows machine. |
| 01:30:36 | corona_ | what about a linuxpod? |
| 01:30:49 | [Saint] | There's no such thing. |
| 01:30:56 | corona_ | oh no there is |
| 01:30:58 | corona_ | trust me |
| 01:31:12 | [Saint] | No. No, there isn't. |
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| 01:31:32 | corona_ | oops |
| 01:31:39 | corona_ | pressed back button |
| 01:31:42 | [Saint] | I'm not sure what gives you the idea that such a thing exists, but, it doesn't. |
| 01:31:54 | corona_ | im joking it was a joke |
| 01:31:56 | corona_ | calm down |
| 01:34:43 | [Saint] | Well, I apologize. Since I don't have the benefit of being psychic, it seemed like a wildly incorrect statement. ;) |
| 01:34:44 | corona_ | btw what does the rockbox video player support "as in codecs" |
| 01:34:58 | soap | mpeg2 |
| 01:35:03 | [Saint] | Our fine manual tells you this. |
| 01:35:56 | [Saint] | The video needs to be sized for the player also. It isn't resized dynamically. |
| 01:36:09 | corona_ | i know |
| 01:36:27 | corona_ | i remeber doing it awhile ago on windows using some converter |
| 01:36:42 | corona_ | but i forgot the the name of the converter |
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| 01:38:31 | [Saint] | corona_: http://winff.org/html_new/downloads.html |
| 01:38:35 | corona_ | ahh it was winff |
| 01:38:38 | corona_ | yup |
| 01:38:39 | corona_ | ok |
| 01:39:32 | [Saint] | fwiw, it runs on a shit-tonne of platforms, despite the slightly misleading "Win" part of the naming scheme. |
| 01:40:23 | [Saint] | XP, Vista, Ubuntu, Debian, Redhat, Fedora, OpenSuse, PCLinuxOS |
| 01:40:38 | corona_ | hehe red |
| 01:40:40 | corona_ | hat |
| 01:40:43 | corona_ | its a hat |
| 01:40:46 | corona_ | thats red |
| 01:41:11 | [Saint] | Fedora is also a hat, but, this is sliding off-topic ;) |
| 01:41:36 | corona_ | redfedora? |
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| 03:00:41 | [Saint] | JdGordon: I'm confused about your skin engine debug screen |
| 03:00:58 | [Saint] | ...why isn't it using a proper lang string? |
| 03:01:14 | Guest13201 | pardon |
| 03:01:14 | Guest13201 | que? |
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| 03:01:36 | JdGordon | [Saint]: what part of it is confusing? |
| 03:01:48 | JdGordon | and none of the debug screens use translatable strings |
| 03:01:55 | [Saint] | JdGordon: id: LANG_SKIN_RAM_USAGE exists in english.lang, but is depricated - seems like it would be perfect for this and allow translation |
| 03:02:45 | [Saint] | aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyhoo, I just submitted a typo fix for it. |
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| 03:03:35 | corona_ | yea this theme problem is happening again |
| 03:05:40 | [Saint] | corona_: Apply Cabbiev2 (so you get the Tango! iconset {the one you're probably used to}, and then instead of applying the theme .cfg for <whatever_theme_you_want_to_use> apply the theme's *.wps/*.sbs/*.fms files separately |
| 03:06:02 | [Saint] | It sounds like the theme you're wanting to use is doing something stupid |
| 03:06:54 | corona_ | it is lol |
| 03:09:37 | corona_ | i like how winff isnt for mac |
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| 03:10:36 | [Saint] | Someone wanna pull the trigger on g#415 for me please? |
| 03:10:39 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #415 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/415 : Debug Screen: - Skin Engine RAM usage - fix a small typo by Hayden Pearce (changes/15/415/1) |
| 03:10:55 | [Saint] | master and release branch - preferably |
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| 11:32:34 | JdGordon | whats the syntax for the "ui viewport" config option? |
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| 11:42:26 | copper | why does the Rockbox themes website reject archives that contain fonts? |
| 11:42:44 | JdGordon | only fonts in the fontzip |
| 11:42:47 | copper | they take very little space and it ensures that the theme will display correctly even if the user didn't install the font pack |
| 11:42:50 | JdGordon | because wasting bandwidth sucks |
| 11:43:29 | copper | they take 64 KiB in my theme |
| 11:43:51 | JdGordon | multiply that by the number of themes on the server * downloads |
| 11:43:53 | copper | 8 KiB zipped |
| 11:44:26 | copper | if you're worried about bandwidth, you should implement PNG support |
| 11:44:43 | copper | it's the damn bitmaps that take up 95% of the space |
| 11:44:53 | copper | if not more |
| 11:45:22 | Torne | also the fonts have, occasionally, been updated |
| 11:45:25 | JdGordon | we really should enalble jpeg images in the wps, yes |
| 11:45:51 | copper | why jpg |
| 11:45:54 | copper | why not PNG |
| 11:46:00 | JdGordon | because we already support jpg |
| 11:46:09 | copper | ah yes of course |
| 11:46:11 | Torne | there's already a jpeg decoder in core |
| 11:46:15 | Torne | so, it's less work ;) |
| 11:48:07 | [Saint] | copper: the issue is simple - you include fonts A, B and C from the font pack in your theme - we update the fonts in the source - a user them installs your theme, and ends up downgrading fonts A, B, and C unknowingly. |
| 11:48:14 | copper | the .bmp files take up 200 KiB zipped |
| 11:48:19 | copper | the rest takes up 4 KiB |
| 11:49:05 | [Saint] | The size is largely irrelevant - the point is, it is wasted bandwidth. |
| 11:49:12 | copper | ... |
| 11:49:17 | [Saint] | Just tell the user that they need to install the font pack in the theme description. |
| 11:49:20 | copper | what is this, 1995? |
| 11:49:31 | * | [Saint] dislikes the attitude |
| 11:49:42 | copper | sorry but that bandwidth argument is silly |
| 11:49:55 | [Saint] | It's not an arbitrary reason, the fact that you don't agree with the reason is...well...I couldn;t care less. |
| 11:50:11 | [Saint] | It is what it is, and you've been told why. |
| 11:50:16 | copper | fine |
| 11:51:11 | copper | <[Saint]> Just tell the user that they need to install the font pack in the theme description. |
| 11:51:14 | copper | yeah, did that |
| 11:51:25 | [Saint] | Sweet - Job done. |
| 11:51:55 | copper | but you can't use that argument with a straight face :P |
| 11:52:10 | copper | you had me at the updating argument |
| 11:52:11 | pixelma | to me, the version argument weighs more than the bandwidth one and it's quite important even if it didn't happen often |
| 11:52:29 | pixelma | that fonts were updated |
| 11:53:01 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 11:53:16 | [Saint] | ...bandwidth is still an issue, albeit a minor one. |
| 11:53:54 | [Saint] | But, yes, the larger issue is the fact that the author may not notice a given font updates, and then the user ends up with older fonts than they think they have. |
| 11:54:55 | sarg | somebody familiar with arm assembler, please take a look at this code http://pastebin.com/78Cm9XUU |
| 11:55:05 | [Saint] | We should /probably/ include magic that checks the md5 sum of the fonts against those in HEAD to prevent authors renaming fonts to get around this restriction |
| 11:55:15 | * | [Saint] prods amayer |
| 11:55:15 | copper | your bandwidth issues are 100 times bigger with the distribution of your source archive |
| 11:55:41 | [Saint] | do we even distribute a source snapshot anymore? |
| 11:55:52 | [Saint] | I thought that stopped /ages/ ago. |
| 11:56:00 | copper | http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.12/rockbox-3.12.7z |
| 11:56:27 | copper | I'm sorry |
| 11:56:29 | copper | my mistake |
| 11:56:42 | copper | your bandwidth issue with the source archive is 4224 times bugger |
| 11:56:44 | copper | bigger* |
| 11:57:00 | pixelma | they are also on different servers (themes. and download.) |
| 11:57:17 | copper | seriously though |
| 11:57:23 | copper | eh, forget it |
| 11:57:56 | [Saint] | seriously though - "just don't do it, for the reasons stated above" |
| 11:58:05 | [Saint] | It's really not up for debate :) |
| 11:58:59 | pixelma | where do you get the number from? Would you know how much space the how many... 1000? themes would have with the included fonts of their choice (could be a few, could be large ones - anti-aliased and with a big character set) |
| 11:59:17 | copper | I said forget it |
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| 12:01:56 | [Saint] | Hmmm...what the? |
| 12:02:20 | * | [Saint] wonders how he managed to tab-complete amayer when he's not even present |
| 12:03:15 | [Saint] | Odd. Well, I hope he reads logs. He seems to be quite fond of the theme site. |
| 12:03:41 | copper | one small pet peeve I have against it, is that there are no permalinks to the themes |
| 12:03:50 | copper | the URL changes when I update a theme |
| 12:04:02 | copper | so I set up a redirect on my server |
| 12:04:09 | [Saint] | IIRC, this is one of the (many) things amayer is working on. |
| 12:05:01 | copper | there's also a repeated PHP error |
| 12:05:20 | [Saint] | ...and that's another one of them :) |
| 12:05:30 | [Saint] | amayer has taken the theme site under his wing. |
| 12:06:09 | copper | <copper> Notice: Undefined index: extension in /home/themes/private/themesite.class.php on line 973 |
| 12:06:22 | [Saint] | It is being worked on, but - free time, real life, etc. |
| 12:06:33 | copper | kay kay |
| 12:06:52 | copper | you might want to not print error on the production website |
| 12:06:57 | copper | errors* |
| 12:07:06 | copper | just log them |
| 12:10:35 | copper | [Saint]: also, why aren't fonts installed by default? Also bandwidth considerations? |
| 12:10:59 | [Saint] | Correct. |
| 12:12:05 | [Saint] | Only the font(s) required by the default theme are shipped. |
| 12:12:06 | copper | is the server's bandwidth metered, or just limited in throughput? |
| 12:12:45 | copper | (or both) |
| 12:13:15 | [Saint] | In the not so distant past, Rockbox shipped with several themes included, so there were more fonts included in the .zip, but those themes have since been transferred to the themesite so now only the font(s) required by CabbieV2 are present. |
| 12:13:40 | pixelma | just a n additional thought, the bandwidth issue could also be on the downloader's side |
| 12:13:59 | copper | sheesh |
| 12:14:09 | [Saint] | copper: neither - I believe. |
| 12:14:28 | funman | sarg: what is your question? |
| 12:14:46 | copper | I'd like to know how many people have trouble downloading 3.3 MiB |
| 12:14:59 | sarg | funman: i tried to inject this code, and bricked my device |
| 12:15:14 | sarg | so, the question is, may this code cause infinite loop ? |
| 12:15:32 | [Saint] | The server has a fat pipe, and unlimited (or basically unlimited) traffic. But, keeping the images as small as possible, with the least number of superfluous files, is just plain common sense. |
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| 12:15:42 | Torne | copper: maybe we can put this another way: many users never, ever change theme, or look at the themesite, or use any other font :) |
| 12:15:53 | funman | sarg: code is loaded at which address? |
| 12:16:17 | copper | I just don't really get where this conservatism comes from |
| 12:16:23 | Torne | copper: or another: the build changes frequently, but the fonts rarely do, packaging them separately means people don't download the same data over and over |
| 12:16:50 | Torne | it also would take more time for the buildbots to upload the zip to the build master if it had the fonts in |
| 12:17:21 | copper | okay |
| 12:17:24 | Torne | we're turning hundreds of builds around in six minutes |
| 12:17:43 | [Saint] | There's also game files (doom wad(s)), dict index files, and so on, and so forth - forcing these on a user that may not ever use them for the sake of those who do is...well, a crappy thing to do. |
| 12:17:54 | sarg | funman: it is injected at the end of dram init procedure of rk3066 SoC, i don't know load address, but think it does not matter as it is called by relative offset |
| 12:18:08 | [Saint] | Those that *do* want them, can easily download them. |
| 12:18:36 | copper | [Saint]: IIRC the Classic build includes a fuckton of plugins |
| 12:18:44 | [Saint] | and? |
| 12:18:50 | Torne | the plugins have to be compiled to match the binary |
| 12:18:54 | Torne | so, we distrubite them with the binary |
| 12:18:58 | Torne | the data files we're talking about don't |
| 12:19:05 | funman | sarg: well unless memcpy overwrites itself :) |
| 12:20:08 | copper | the plugins take up 1.5 MiB zipped |
| 12:20:29 | Torne | so? |
| 12:20:35 | sarg | funman: what will happen if I LDR from wrong (unmapped) address? |
| 12:20:48 | funman | sarg: data abort i guess |
| 12:21:57 | [Saint] | Plugins are included, as Torne mentioned - to avoid version mismatch. |
| 12:22:17 | Torne | also, some of hte plugins are fairly important |
| 12:22:24 | Torne | credits, battery_bench, etc |
| 12:22:29 | funman | rockblox1d |
| 12:22:32 | Torne | so even if we did split some off we would want some included |
| 12:22:53 | funman | although perhaps a package of optional plugins would make sense |
| 12:23:02 | Torne | funman: doesn't seem worth it |
| 12:23:37 | [Saint] | It would make a lot of situations where users have plugin pack X, and binary Y, and don't understand why plugin Z no longer functions. |
| 12:24:09 | Torne | yeah, if some plugins were separate and others weren't then people would likely not remember to update the optinal ones |
| 12:24:28 | [Saint] | RbUtil could take care of this, but that would rely on everyone actually using it. |
| 12:25:27 | Torne | copper: there ultimately doesn't seem to be a good reason to change anything, also ;) |
| 12:25:47 | [Saint] | "if it 'aint broke" et al |
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| 12:27:08 | copper | Torne: the permalink thing though |
| 12:27:34 | Torne | what permalink thing? |
| 12:27:56 | copper | the links to the theme archives |
| 12:28:15 | copper | [Saint] says it's being worked on |
| 12:34:53 | sarg | funman: i changed copy size to 0x1000, but nothing changed |
| 12:40:55 | funman | sarg: maybe use skyeye emulator to test it |
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| 12:57:49 | copper | ah, also, it's difficult to link to theme screenshots because of the diaporama script |
| 12:58:13 | copper | I can't right click on the first screenshot and select "copy image location" most of the time |
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| 13:03:10 | [Saint] | Blame your browser then, I guess. Works fine here. |
| 13:03:28 | copper | uh? |
| 13:03:40 | copper | how is my browser at fault, the image keeps changing |
| 13:04:08 | [Saint] | That doesn't stop you from being able to copy the image URL. |
| 13:04:32 | copper | the image changes as soon as I hover it |
| 13:04:43 | copper | the image URL that I copy is that of the new image |
| 13:04:56 | [Saint] | I suspect you're overlooking the fact that you can click on the theme title and view all the images in an array. |
| 13:05:06 | copper | aaaaaah |
| 13:05:16 | copper | I totally did not know about that. |
| 13:06:00 | copper | strange that I never figured it out |
| 13:06:03 | copper | my bad, my bad |
| 13:06:05 | sarg | funman: what if my code executed on both ARM cores of SoC ? |
| 13:08:20 | * | [Saint] wonders if it's too late past the event for a http://goo.gl/1Ggfm |
| 13:08:46 | [Saint] | I'm usually must quicker on the draw with my sarcasm, apparently I'm slipping |
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| 16:24:35 | kly | hihi |
| 16:24:41 | kly | sorry hi .. |
| 16:25:06 | kly | anybody here ? |
| 16:26:19 | kly | gonna kill myself if nobody answers .. |
| 16:29:47 | pixelma | lots, but just ask - don't ask to ask. And be patient, not everyone is always looking or knows everything |
| 16:30:04 | pixelma | if rockbox related here |
| 16:30:53 | kly | oh thanks |
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| 16:33:00 | kly | so, i changed the face of my ipod c6th gen who is rockboxed, i pull up everything but now i have an error "loading rockbox.ipod failed and then rockbox try to launch and i see *panic* ATA ! error 80000000000 while reading bbt (sector 0, count1) |
| 16:33:24 | kly | btw, the HDD bip sometimes when i move it |
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| 16:42:22 | kly | ideas ? |
| 16:47:29 | kly | :'( |
| 16:51:44 | kly | no idea where i can get help ? |
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| 17:04:28 | pixelma | It sounds like disk corruption or maybe the connector got damaged (just guessing here, I also don't have an Ipod). Did you try booting into the original firmware or emergency disk mode? |
| 17:06:33 | kly | i can't boot in emergency .. you're probably right, if i up the HDD or not there is no difference |
| 17:06:49 | kly | put or not * |
| 17:07:16 | kly | but i have a bip when i touch it |
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| 17:08:15 | kly | i can hear the HDD working now, but the ipod don't recognize it |
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| 17:16:53 | kly | why there is 120 persons but nobody cares ? |
| 17:17:46 | Torne | many people here are users, not developers, and have no idea how to fix your problem. many people here don't have ipod classics and don't know anything about them. many people here are idle, not actually present. |
| 17:18:03 | Torne | please don't accuse random people of not caring just because they haven't said "i don't know" :) |
| 17:18:15 | kly | ok thanks ! |
| 17:18:42 | Torne | you may want to post your question to the forums where people can read it at any time of day |
| 17:31:13 | n1s | kly: sounds to me like the connection to the disk isn't working right |
| 17:31:35 | n1s | perhaps reseating it could help |
| 17:40:04 | kly | reseating, play+menu ? |
| 17:40:44 | Torne | re-seating - removing and reinserting the connector to ensure it's plugged in properly |
| 17:40:53 | kly | ah |
| 17:40:58 | kly | tried 10 time |
| 17:41:20 | kly | :'( |
| 17:43:14 | [Saint] | There's also the possibility that it's just "f*cked ™" as well. |
| 17:43:28 | kly | yep |
| 17:43:32 | kly | but can't stand why |
| 17:44:23 | [Saint] | It is highly possibly that you damaged either the HDD, or the PCB, when you opened the device. |
| 17:44:55 | [Saint] | These things are only reasonably rugged when fully assembled. |
| 17:45:20 | [Saint] | When partially disassembled, they'll break if you look at them the wrong way ;) |
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| 17:46:21 | kly | perhaps .. but it's strange i break nothing |
| 17:47:20 | [Saint] | The cables are *incredibly* fragile...and it can be very hard to spot a break in the traces there. |
| 17:47:51 | [Saint] | I'm also guessing you weren't grounded, so static discharge is also a possibility. |
| 17:48:05 | kly | yes .. :'( |
| 17:49:37 | kly | i guess something, i maybe pull of the cable battery when the ipod was turned on, this could damage it ? |
| 17:51:39 | [Saint] | It's /possible/...I guess. But I would doubt that to be the cause. |
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| 17:52:54 | [Saint] | My guesses would be, in order of likeliness: 1 - broken cable trace; 2 - Accidentally bridging something on the PCB; 3 - Static discharge killing something |
| 17:54:24 | [Saint] | That is, of course, if you are absolutely sure the HDD, and the ZIF cable to it (at both ends), is properly seated and all flaps are down. |
| 17:54:41 | kly | yes .. |
| 17:55:02 | kly | but, the HDD, make some sound when it is connected, so it's not the HDD + cable |
| 17:56:21 | kly | but i've got 1 connection that i don't understand the utility, it's near the battery to under the screen |
| 17:56:40 | kly | if i plug it in or out, nothing changes |
| 17:58:26 | [Saint] | There are many traces that could be broken in the HDD cable. |
| 17:58:43 | [Saint] | The fact that it spins up doesn't necessarily mean a data trace isn't broken. |
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| 18:07:23 | kly | wow .. that's weird, when the HDD touch some coponents on the motherboard, the ipod shutdown .. i feel stupid i know .. |
| 18:08:29 | [Saint] | Ummmmm, yeah. Bridging components on the PCB under power is a "Very Bad Thing" - generally speaking. |
| 18:13:09 | copper | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs is wrong about a free ALAC encoder "missing" |
| 18:13:15 | copper | ffmpeg encodes to ALAC |
| 18:13:55 | [Saint] | its a wiki. |
| 18:15:03 | n1s | and most of the info on that page is from when people started porting over codecs, about 2005 or so :) |
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| 18:16:22 | [Saint] | last edit over a year ago. |
| 18:16:31 | [Saint] | edit before that about a year prior. |
| 18:16:38 | [Saint] | edit before that ... :) |
| 18:16:47 | [Saint] | But, yeah, its a wiki - go nuts. |
| 18:17:53 | copper | hmmm, I do have an account apparently |
| 18:18:27 | copper | ffmpeg supports it since 2008! |
| 18:20:08 | copper | done |
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| 18:26:50 | [Saint] | You can't really give it too much grief for being wrong - it was written in ~2005, and the people that edited it since likely only edited the coded they were working on adding at the time specifically. |
| 18:26:54 | [Saint] | :) |
| 18:29:02 | [Saint] | There's only 5 targets SoCs in the table as well. |
| 18:29:12 | [Saint] | That's also a sign of the times. |
| 18:29:32 | [Saint] | *target SoCs |
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| 18:56:36 | AlexP | pamaury: Could you commit your Franch update to the 3.13 branch too please? |
| 18:56:48 | AlexP | (if appropriate, I'm assuming so) |
| 18:59:27 | AlexP | If there is a patch on gerrit for master, can I apply it to a different branch? Or do I need to take the patch and do it manually? |
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| 19:06:35 | Torne | AlexP: you can't apply it to a different branch just from the web ui, no |
| 19:06:54 | Torne | AlexP: check out the branch youw ant it on, use gerrit's suggested cherrypick command, upload the change for that branch |
| 19:06:58 | AlexP | Torne: OK, so easiest way is to get it to gove me the patch, apply and commit locally? |
| 19:07:07 | Torne | cherrypick rather than patch+apply, but yes |
| 19:07:38 | AlexP | OK, so I'm on 3.13 branch - I a) paste in the gerrit cherry pick command, then b) ? |
| 19:07:57 | AlexP | Just want to make sure I don't cock it up :) |
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| 19:10:38 | Torne | git push origin HEAD:refs/for/v3.13 |
| 19:11:00 | AlexP | That'll put it up for review again? |
| 19:11:01 | Torne | and it should make a new change that's identical except its parent commit and the target branch |
| 19:11:04 | Torne | yup |
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| 19:11:13 | Torne | or you can just push it directly the normal way |
| 19:11:14 | AlexP | Can I do it directly? Or is that a better way? |
| 19:11:14 | Torne | whatever |
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| 19:11:20 | Torne | Oh, however you like |
| 19:11:21 | AlexP | right, OK. thanks |
| 19:11:22 | Torne | :) |
| 19:11:51 | AlexP | So basically the cherry pick grabe the change and applies it on the branch I'm on, then I just push it back to that remote branch? |
| 19:11:57 | Torne | yup |
| 19:12:02 | AlexP | great, thanks :) |
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| 19:20:54 | AlexP | pamaury: Don't worry, I grabbed the diff |
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| 19:28:22 | AlexP | rasher: About? |
| 19:28:37 | Viperfang | Us? |
| 19:28:39 | Viperfang | Time? |
| 19:28:42 | Viperfang | Right? |
| 19:29:12 | AlexP | Viperfang: Do you have a question? |
| 19:29:30 | Viperfang | Was wondering about the second half of the about |
| 19:29:42 | AlexP | There is no second half |
| 19:29:50 | AlexP | It is short for "Are you about" |
| 19:30:18 | Viperfang | I know |
| 19:30:23 | Viperfang | Just making convo |
| 19:30:29 | AlexP | In that case please keep the noise down |
| 19:30:37 | AlexP | #rockbox-community for off-topic stuff |
| 19:36:55 | AlexP | I'm not sure what to do about the Bulgarian translation on the -dev ml - the way he's done it (rearranging strings) even if you make a diff it is rather difficult to review |
| 19:37:02 | AlexP | It builds alright |
| 19:39:52 | rasher | AlexP: hm, you could try using langtool to sort the current one and then sort his |
| 19:39:57 | rasher | should make them diffable |
| 19:40:19 | AlexP | rasher: I'll try, ta |
| 19:40:32 | rasher | AlexP: Assuming langtool can do sorting... I'm not sure actually, now that I think of it |
| 19:41:02 | AlexP | rasher: hmm, don't see an option |
| 19:41:16 | rasher | AlexP: oh, shucks |
| 19:41:28 | rasher | AlexP: blame the lazy fool who wrote it |
| 19:41:36 | AlexP | heh :) |
| 19:42:03 | AlexP | The direct diff is 17631 lines |
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| 19:42:12 | AlexP | I'm not even going to try to look at that |
| 19:42:55 | rasher | AlexP: you could do the sort with the translate site |
| 19:43:24 | rasher | AlexP: http://translate.rockbox.org/fixlang.php?lang=bulgarian&sort=on gives you a diff, with a bit of luck his are sorted in English order as well |
| 19:43:42 | AlexP | rasher: great, thanks - I'll try :) |
| 19:44:18 | rasher | if not, you could commit his, then sort i through the translate site and get something diffable then |
| 19:44:24 | rasher | which is gross |
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| 19:50:55 | AlexP | rasher: I think that worked, but I think he's added all the voicing, add changed some strings so it is still nice and long |
| 19:51:14 | AlexP | rasher: Do voice strings need specifying if they are not different to the translation? |
| 19:51:30 | rasher | AlexP: I... think so |
| 19:51:39 | AlexP | heh, OK :) |
| 19:52:00 | rasher | but I'm not positive. Anyway, having them there is nice so we explicitly know they're identical |
| 19:52:08 | AlexP | yep |
| 19:52:48 | AlexP | Is there a diff tool that'll give me more context to the changes than just "diff" does (like e.g. git diff)? |
| 19:53:48 | AlexP | I suspect there is an option for diff that will :) |
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| 19:54:33 | rasher | AlexP: diff -U 10 |
| 19:54:38 | AlexP | rasher: thanks! |
| 19:55:00 | rasher | Maybe you just need -u if you're not already |
| 19:55:17 | AlexP | ah, indeed |
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| 19:59:17 | AlexP | rasher: I realise this is quite large, but does http://fpaste.org/fmw5/ look sensible? |
| 19:59:39 | AlexP | I didn't spot anything obviously wrong from a cursory glance |
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| 20:01:26 | rasher | AlexP: yeah me neither |
| 20:01:34 | AlexP | great, thanks |
| 20:01:48 | AlexP | rasher: Would you commit the resort, then his changes? |
| 20:02:22 | rasher | AlexP: yeah, makes sense |
| 20:02:28 | AlexP | coolio |
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| 20:10:25 | AlexP | ooops |
| 20:10:31 | * | AlexP prepares for wrath |
| 20:10:35 | AlexP | top posting! |
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| 20:14:11 | AlexP | Looks like Japanese will miss out, no real name - I asked for it ages ago but unfortunately didn't see that he replied saying I didn't need it until now |
| 20:15:08 | rasher | Whoa, no new strings recently eh? |
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| 20:15:57 | AlexP | rasher: looking at the lang statuses? |
| 20:16:02 | rasher | Yeah |
| 20:16:14 | AlexP | yeah, it's pretty good :) |
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| 20:54:35 | rasher | AlexP: good job on committing his translation 10 minutes before he sent it! :) |
| 20:55:14 | AlexP | I'm ninja like that |
| 20:56:20 | AlexP | I'm also disliking the trend of having more stable targets, it takes me longer to build them all :) |
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| 21:03:57 | morksoldat | hello everybody.... i'm having heavy distorted sound trough ipod 7g line out, but nos trought the headphone out... eq off, and max precut doesn't solve the problem, bug reported here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12819. Ideas? |
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| 21:26:48 | AlexP | gevaerts: Was there a decision on the recorder? Having just built everything I've realised/remembered it doesn't build :/ |
| 21:27:12 | gevaerts | AlexP: I'd just apply that one patch |
| 21:27:33 | AlexP | yeah |
| 21:27:36 | AlexP | will do |
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| 21:53:30 | AlexP | gevaerts: I've applied it to the 3.13 branch only for the time being |
| 21:53:49 | gevaerts | Yes, that sounds sensible |
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| 22:19:28 | AlexP | How is utils/common/tarball.py supposed to work? |
| 22:20:09 | gevaerts | We clearly need weekly releases :) |
| 22:20:36 | AlexP | Is the argument e.g. "3.13"? |
| 22:20:48 | gevaerts | I suspect the branch name |
| 22:21:04 | AlexP | Doesn't seem so |
| 22:21:26 | AlexP | That just gives a couldn't find hash for version |
| 22:21:41 | AlexP | If I use "3.13" it tries to run, but errors out |
| 22:22:24 | AlexP | Looking in it, it takes the argument and prepends "refs/tags/v" and appends "-final" |
| 22:23:14 | AlexP | I thought it might be a python 2/3 issue, but as far as I can see it uses utils/common/tarball.py and utils/common/gitscraper.py and I changed both of those to use python2 |
| 22:25:35 | AlexP | gevaerts: I get http://pastie.org/6398007 Does it work for you? |
| 22:25:50 | gevaerts | Same here |
| 22:28:00 | gevaerts | Oh |
| 22:28:04 | gevaerts | hmmm |
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| 22:28:52 | AlexP | Seems fair |
| 22:29:10 | gevaerts | The script doesn't handle filenames with spaces in them |
| 22:29:20 | gevaerts | We had none of those until [Saint] decided we needed them |
| 22:29:37 | AlexP | bugger |
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| 22:31:12 | * | gevaerts pretends to know python so he can fix this |
| 22:31:17 | AlexP | The eq presets? |
| 22:31:28 | gevaerts | It's a faulty regular expression, I think |
| 22:31:32 | gevaerts | Yes |
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| 22:32:29 | gevaerts | I think I may have a solution |
| 22:32:57 | AlexP | good work :) |
| 22:33:53 | gevaerts | Did you stand back properly? :) |
| 22:34:00 | AlexP | I am now |
| 22:34:43 | gevaerts | Good! |
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| 22:40:27 | gevaerts | Fix pushed to master. Figuring out how to push to v3.13 now |
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| 22:40:51 | AlexP | gevaerts: I wouldn't worry |
| 22:40:53 | gevaerts | Done! |
| 22:40:57 | AlexP | I can run it from master for 3.13 |
| 22:41:10 | gevaerts | We may need 3.13.1, and we'll just get confused otherwise :) |
| 22:41:14 | AlexP | true |
| 22:43:09 | AlexP | Will you be around tomorrow daytime? |
| 22:43:33 | gevaerts | I have no meetings planned, so most probably, yes, although there will be intervals |
| 22:44:31 | AlexP | I'm uploading builds, manuals, voice etc. now, but as Zagor isn't here and I can't get on from work, could you grab him if you get the chance to move stuff around? |
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| 22:44:46 | AlexP | We don't tend to overlap these days :) |
| 22:44:47 | gevaerts | I'll do my best! |
| 22:44:51 | AlexP | cheers :) |
| 22:45:05 | AlexP | The not used RC will need removing too |
| 22:45:29 | AlexP | I haven't done any of the stuff like update builds.pm in master etc. obviosuly, until stuff is moved |
| 22:45:38 | * | gevaerts nods |
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| 23:04:11 | AlexP | All should be uploaded now |
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| 23:16:16 | bluebrother^ | we have files with spaces in the filename? |
| 23:16:25 | gevaerts | Apparently |
| 23:16:41 | * | bluebrother^ wonders which one that would be |
| 23:16:46 | gevaerts | eq presets |
| 23:17:11 | bluebrother^ | ah. |
| 23:17:28 | * | bluebrother^ unsure if he likes this |
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| 23:17:41 | * | gevaerts knows if he likes this :) |
| 23:17:58 | bluebrother^ | like or dislike? ;-) |
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| 23:19:11 | gevaerts | Indeed :) |
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| 23:45:35 | pamaury | AlexP: sorry, was afk, did you commit to the 3.13 branch ? |
| 23:46:00 | AlexP | pamaury: yep, don't worry :) |
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