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| 08:42:07 | TheSeven | pamaury (for the logs): the OTG that you just found is probably the same one that the nano2g, ipod classic and some sansas use |
| 08:42:29 | TheSeven | given how much trouble we're having with this driver, it might indeed be worth redoing from scratch |
| 08:43:09 | TheSeven | I do however have a driver for that STM32F[24] series of chips that seems to work flawlessly, but has a slightly different interface towards the USB core |
| 08:43:25 | TheSeven | if anyone is interested in that, I can pastebin it somewhere |
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| 09:05:25 | lebellium | seems to be some spam here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,42709.msg218096.html?PHPSESSID=b248i2bjb3cm4ce2j8il919o34#new |
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| 10:06:38 | ukleinek | TheSeven: is that an chipidea core? |
| 10:07:18 | TheSeven | no idea, I just know that it's apparently from synopsys (or from someone that they bought), and that there's also a linux driver for it |
| 10:08:03 | ukleinek | TheSeven: there are IIRC at least 3 driver for it as it was only noticed recently that it is build-in in sooo many SoCs. |
| 10:08:51 | ukleinek | and yes, that's probably the same one. A colleague is currently fighting with it. |
| 10:10:38 | TheSeven | drivers that i'm aware of: my old one (the old nano2g driver), our sansa driver (IIRC written by funman?), funman's new driver (merge of those two drivers), the linux driver, the STM32 reference driver, and my own STM32 driver |
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| 10:17:26 | TheSeven | my own STM32 driver implementation for that core: |
| 10:17:27 | TheSeven | USB core header: http://pastie.org/6600590 |
| 10:17:27 | TheSeven | USB core code: http://pastie.org/6600592 |
| 10:17:27 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK TheSeven |
| 10:17:27 | TheSeven | Synopsys-specific header: http://pastie.org/6600594 |
| 10:17:27 | TheSeven | Synopsys-specific code: http://pastie.org/6600601 |
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| 10:17:28 | TheSeven | STM32-specific code: http://pastie.org/6600604 |
| 10:17:49 | TheSeven | feel free to use that (or parts of it) wherever you need them |
| 10:18:17 | TheSeven | pamaury: you as well :) |
| 10:19:05 | pamaury | TheSeven: great to know that :) |
| 10:19:20 | ukleinek | In Linux it's at least: ci13xxx, drivers/usb/gadget/fsl_udc_core.c |
| 10:19:50 | TheSeven | the linux driver doesn't use DMA because of some hardware bug IIRC |
| 10:19:53 | pamaury | I'm still light years from knowing enough of the rknano-b anyway, I just figured out from the disassembly that it is using this core |
| 10:20:13 | pamaury | this core is very similar to the one in amsv2 right ? |
| 10:20:23 | TheSeven | probably the very same core |
| 10:20:44 | pamaury | that might be way dma on those is buggy ^^ |
| 10:20:46 | pamaury | *why |
| 10:20:49 | TheSeven | (possibly with a different feature set, that can be adapted during synthesis) |
| 10:20:54 | pamaury | s/dma/driver using dma |
| 10:21:17 | TheSeven | I've observed some weird things with DMA on the ipod classic as well |
| 10:21:36 | TheSeven | the core locking up in certain situations when there's traffic on multiple endpoints at the same time |
| 10:21:41 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 10:21:41 | * | pamaury will be back in hour one for this usb thing |
| 10:22:12 | ukleinek | we currently see a stall and think it's related to an errata published by Freescale |
| 10:22:20 | ukleinek | http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/160326/ |
| 10:22:34 | TheSeven | my driver supports both DMA and PIO mode, and DMA seems to work perfectly fine for my current use case (that just uses EP0 and one data endpoint) |
| 10:22:51 | ukleinek | so mv_udc_core is a third instance of a driver for that core. |
| 10:24:22 | TheSeven | ukleinek: seems like that errata is only important for host mode |
| 10:25:03 | ukleinek | TheSeven: you're talking about the link in the commit log? |
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| 10:26:50 | ukleinek | TheSeven: I think that is wrong, because drivers/usb/gadget is about usb device drivers |
| 10:27:22 | TheSeven | I don't think this core uses memory mapped TDs in device mode at all (and I haven't dealt with host mode yet) |
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| 10:28:12 | * | ukleinek looks for his colleague and asks him to come here as he doesn't know the glory details. |
| 10:28:30 | TheSeven | so if this is referring to device mode, then that driver is for a different core |
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| 10:54:05 | dot | hi |
| 10:54:38 | dot | i hear someone is fighting with an chipidea udc |
| 10:57:20 | ukleinek | dot: you have the logs, right? |
| 10:57:31 | ukleinek | (logs == channel logs) |
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| 10:59:07 | pamaury | the synopsys core doesn't use memory mapped TDs in device mode |
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| 11:00:02 | pamaury | the usb core in freescale chips is usually the one we refer to as usb ARC, which uses memory mapped TDs |
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| 11:02:31 | dot | synosys has another core, which is not based on memorymapped tds, i think its name is dwc2 |
| 11:02:54 | ukleinek | pamaury: and which is the Linux kernel driver for the core you talked about? |
| 11:03:38 | ukleinek | s/pamaury/TheSeven/ |
| 11:03:44 | pamaury | did I talk about a linux driver ? |
| 11:03:47 | pamaury | ah no |
| 11:04:48 | dot | you could look into drivers/usb/gadget/s3c-hsudc.c in the kernel, IMHO its an dwc2 implementation |
| 11:07:19 | pamaury | hsotg.c you mean, Im not sure hsudc.c is the same, but yeah it is, last time I checked it was fifo only iirc |
| 11:08:35 | pamaury | and that driver is unbearably complicated also, though far less than the original code from synopsis I got |
| 11:09:13 | pamaury | what is the difference between dwc and dwc2 ? |
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| 11:11:01 | dot | agree, i think currently i did not see any driver implementing dwc2 with dma mainline |
| 11:11:34 | dot | i think its the common name for the ehci-variant, as currently the dwc3 is being mainlined |
| 11:11:59 | dot | dwc3 == xhci |
| 11:12:59 | pamaury | I must say I was surprised to see a synopsis core in a rockchip soc |
| 11:14:51 | pamaury | hum, audio broken on the fuze+ but there was no recent change on the imx233 :( I'll need to bisect that |
| 11:15:58 | TheSeven | dot, ukleinek, pamaury: yes, IIRC the synopsys one that we're using on STM32, AMSv2 and nano2g/classic is the dwc/dwc2 one |
| 11:16:24 | dot | you might be lucky, dwc2 is currently discussed on linux-usb |
| 11:16:36 | [Saint] | Maybe re-writing the driver will get us USB back on N2G ;) |
| 11:16:40 | pamaury | it's a shame we still haven't a working implementation, nano2g is broken and amsv2 is unstable |
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| 11:16:54 | [Saint] | heh - snap. |
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| 11:17:13 | dot | http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg81662.html |
| 11:17:34 | TheSeven | [Saint]: someone might want to port over my new dwc2 device mode driver for STM32 |
| 11:17:41 | TheSeven | (which I linked above) |
| 11:18:08 | * | [Saint] has no time to be someone lately |
| 11:18:25 | [Saint] | I've had to abandone pretty much all of my Rb projects |
| 11:18:42 | TheSeven | dot: if you're curious, I have written this driver for an STM32 chip (it appears to use a dwc2 core) to get rid of STM's bloaty reference implementation |
| 11:18:56 | pamaury | TheSeven: I don't have the time for it right now but that sounds interesting |
| 11:18:57 | TheSeven | it supports PIO and DMA, but only device mode so far, and uses a completely redesigned API |
| 11:20:13 | TheSeven | oh, very interesting to hear that this is the core that's used in the raspberry pi, which has awfully buggy USB |
| 11:20:34 | pamaury | maybe that core is just bad :D |
| 11:20:38 | [Saint] | Oy - yes. |
| 11:20:48 | [Saint] | USB on the raspi is unbearably shite. |
| 11:21:13 | pamaury | device or host ? |
| 11:21:16 | TheSeven | host |
| 11:21:20 | [Saint] | host |
| 11:21:24 | [Saint] | device is fine. |
| 11:21:36 | TheSeven | that core is very popular and doesn't appear to be that bad, I suspect the driver is more of a problem :) |
| 11:23:06 | TheSeven | dot: so what are you doing with that core? host or device mode? |
| 11:23:13 | TheSeven | and what kind of problems are you observing? |
| 11:23:35 | TheSeven | or are you dealing with the udc one? |
| 11:26:04 | * | [Saint] also thinks that this may be responsible for this issue with some wireless keyboards giving repeat keypresses on the raspi |
| 11:26:21 | TheSeven | i've had that with non-wireless ones as well |
| 11:26:33 | [Saint] | I trialled an updated driver not so long ago that made things a /lot/ better. |
| 11:26:36 | TheSeven | and keypresses being ignored during network traffic spikes (which is connected through USB as well) |
| 11:27:13 | TheSeven | dot: if you're curious, here's my dwc2 device mode driver code: |
| 11:27:14 | TheSeven | USB core header: http://pastie.org/6600590 |
| 11:27:14 | TheSeven | USB core code: http://pastie.org/6600592 |
| 11:27:14 | TheSeven | Synopsys-specific header: http://pastie.org/6600594 |
| 11:27:15 | TheSeven | Synopsys-specific code: http://pastie.org/6600601 |
| 11:27:17 | TheSeven | STM32-specific code: http://pastie.org/6600604 |
| 11:27:34 | * | TheSeven heads to work, but will be online on his phone |
| 11:27:41 | [Saint] | actually, I think that might be 2.94a - which I think is in the debian image presently - but the version I was using had additional patches I think aren't currently in the raspbian images. |
| 11:28:15 | * | pamaury goes for lunch |
| 11:28:26 | ukleinek | TheSeven: we're interested in imx23/28 host and device |
| 11:30:22 | dot | TheSeven: sorry, but we are not working with dwc2, we use the memorymapped td variant, known as chipidea 13xxx |
| 11:52:13 | [Saint] | Is there anything in particular keeping g#393 from being committed? |
| 11:52:17 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #393 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/393 : Implement "reverse stereo" channel configuration to reverse left and right audio... by Bertrik Sikken (changes/93/393/2) |
| 11:52:32 | [Saint] | 'tis a useful, and oft requested feature. |
| 11:53:22 | [Saint] | Aha - HWcodec. |
| 11:54:55 | * | [Saint] wonders where he put his volume cap patch |
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| 12:24:37 | pamaury | ukleinek: usb devuce mx23 is usb arc, we have a driver for it, it's pretty common |
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| 12:46:22 | funman | JdGordon: ping FS #12639 |
| 12:46:24 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12639 Certain themes cause the WPS to not load properly and USB to not work (bugs, unconfirmed) |
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| 12:52:41 | bebna | Hi, is there a way to read smart data from a ipod classic? It seems that my second hand bought one, has a problem with his disk and rockbox never stops to scan the disk on boot |
| 12:53:32 | Torne | bebna: not easily, no. |
| 12:53:44 | funman | bebna: if database is enabled it could be a bug in metadata reading, choking on one of your files |
| 12:53:48 | Torne | bebna: i was working on it for aw hile but it's really fiddly. |
| 12:53:48 | ukleinek | dot: seen pamaury's statement? |
| 12:54:15 | bebna | i can try to delete the db by the bootloader |
| 12:55:00 | bebna | but there isn't propably a way to get rockbox working with a disk with faulty sectors |
| 12:55:04 | bebna | right? |
| 12:55:50 | funman | well you have to replace the disk |
| 12:57:29 | bebna | the thing is, the disk seems to work fine until i tried to delete the old ipod data dir from it |
| 12:57:49 | bebna | so I assumed that only a small part of disk is damaged |
| 12:58:44 | Torne | bebna: if the disk has a few bad sectors and it's not getting worse, then rockbox can work just fine; have chkdsk mark those sectors as bad and we won't use them |
| 12:58:44 | bebna | the bootloader and rockbox itself seems to reading the .rockbox dir just fine from the disk for example |
| 12:58:48 | Torne | however, that's unlikely to be the case |
| 12:58:58 | Torne | hard disks with bad sectors are basically always dying |
| 12:59:00 | Torne | and will get worse |
| 12:59:08 | Torne | so, if you really do have bad sectors i'd replace the disk |
| 12:59:36 | Torne | anyway. rockbox doesn't support reading the SMART data at present; i was writing a patch for it but it doesn't work yet |
| 12:59:45 | Torne | and you can't read the smart data via usb either |
| 12:59:59 | bebna | Torne: I know |
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| 13:00:01 | Torne | on the older ipods the builtin ROM diagnostic mode could display some of the smart data |
| 13:00:09 | Torne | i don't know if the classic has anything like that |
| 13:00:30 | bebna | but these disks don't have sata/ide right? |
| 13:00:55 | Torne | most of them are just ATA disks |
| 13:01:23 | Torne | iirc there's one model of classic that has a weird ce-ata interface |
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| 13:01:50 | bebna | hmm |
| 13:02:22 | bebna | it should be one of the latest 120gb models i think |
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| 13:04:30 | bebna | anyway thanks for the chkdsk idea, I will see what I can do. If that doesn't help, It was my fault to buy a faulty ipod |
| 13:04:53 | Torne | the later ones are normal ata disks, to my understanding |
| 13:05:01 | Torne | you can';t pluyg them directly into a pc because they use a weird connector |
| 13:05:04 | Torne | but there are adapters :) |
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| 13:05:29 | bebna | oh |
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| 13:05:34 | bebna | hmm |
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| 13:06:32 | bebna | Why there aren't 2.5" hdd players! |
| 13:06:53 | Torne | because nobody wants them |
| 13:07:07 | Torne | in fact barely anyone wants hdd playuers at all :) |
| 13:07:16 | Torne | it's almost surprising anyone still bothers making them |
| 13:08:07 | bebna | the thing is i like variaty |
| 13:08:21 | Torne | well, unfortunately markets don't |
| 13:09:40 | bebna | I mean with my music. My last Sandisk Clip had a 32GB card and only with opus ~96kbps, I was able to put a small part of my collection on it |
| 13:10:19 | Torne | right, but the people who sell millions of mp3 players don't care how much music *you* have :) |
| 13:10:53 | bebna | Yeah no wonder, everyone uses a streaming service nowadays |
| 13:11:58 | bebna | Is there a player who can hold multiple storage cards? |
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| 13:19:57 | copper | bebna: the iRiver AK100 |
| 13:20:05 | copper | has two microsd slots |
| 13:23:40 | bebna | thanks copper, but it doesn't look in the first check that it can use only 2x32GB cards and not 64gb ones to reach > 120GB, and the price isn't nice either |
| 13:24:43 | copper | bebna: "Can I use a 64GB micro SD card with the Astell & Kern AK100?" |
| 13:24:55 | copper | "Yes!" |
| 13:24:59 | copper | format as FAT32 |
| 13:25:05 | copper | http://www.aloaudio.com/ak100 |
| 13:25:23 | copper | it has a high output impedance though, 22Ω |
| 13:28:27 | bebna | i can gat a 256gb zif ssd for my wrongly bought ipod for a third of this price and my mobile earplugs don't resolve more than roughly 256kbps mp3 |
| 13:28:52 | bebna | but how i said thanks |
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| 13:44:03 | [Saint] | I think that manufactures don't actually expect you to take your *entire* audio collection with you. |
| 13:44:15 | copper | Apple does. |
| 13:44:21 | [Saint] | For many people, this would be impossible, even with 250GB+ drives. |
| 13:44:36 | [Saint] | I would need 8 iPods to do that. |
| 13:45:00 | copper | I'd like to know just how many people have lossy libraries that amount to 250 GB. |
| 13:45:18 | [Saint] | I think that it is expected that you'll take your favorite audio with you and freshen it as needed. |
| 13:46:03 | [Saint] | copper: my lossy stuff amounts to about 800GB |
| 13:46:25 | copper | 250 GB @ 256kbps is ~2300 hour long albums |
| 13:46:44 | copper | [Saint]: you're in a tiny, tiny minority |
| 13:47:54 | bebna | I don't think so, my mixed mostly lossy collection is also around 750GB at the moment |
| 13:48:08 | Torne | yes, that's a tiny, tiny minority |
| 13:48:12 | Torne | :) |
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| 13:49:45 | bebna | For the sake of this minority, even my mother would crack 500gb if she would digitilize her LPs, tapes and CDs |
| 13:55:57 | [Saint] | bebna: can you compile your own builds? |
| 13:56:14 | [Saint] | re: S.M.A.R.T data - you might want to look at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/385/ |
| 13:56:35 | [Saint] | description: g#385 |
| 13:56:37 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #385 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/385 : iPod Classic/6G: reads HDD S.M.A.R.T. data by Cástor Muñoz (changes/85/385/1) |
| 13:57:02 | bebna | would'nt help me, can't access debug menu anymore |
| 13:57:25 | [Saint] | huh?...why not? |
| 13:57:33 | bebna | i cant get further than the bootlogo |
| 13:57:52 | [Saint] | not even with the fallback image? |
| 13:58:09 | [Saint] | emCORE Menu - Tools - Boot Rockbox Fallback image |
| 13:58:18 | bebna | no, it only shows me in the debug image that it scans the disk |
| 13:59:08 | [Saint] | sounds like you might want to format the disk. |
| 13:59:19 | [Saint] | emCORE can do this also. |
| 13:59:59 | bebna | emCore only shows a bar, which needs a hour to finish and after that it seems that the .rockbox folder is present afterwards |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:07 | bebna | even if it should'nt |
| 14:02:30 | bebna | hmm |
| 14:02:42 | bebna | doesn't have the iriver h10 also a zip hdd |
| 14:02:52 | bebna | i got one of those somewhere |
| 14:08:44 | user890104 | [15:00:04] <bebna> emCore only shows a bar, which needs a hour to finish and after that it seems that the .rockbox folder is present afterwards << you might want to ask TheSeven at #freemyipod-support about his hddscan2 emcore app, which can mark bad secotrs better than chkdsk |
| 14:09:51 | [Saint] | (but may take several days to complete) |
| 14:10:48 | bebna | hmm, how do i get this on the ipod if i can't access it without rockbox? |
| 14:11:35 | user890104 | bebna: it's an emcore app - as long as emcore boots, it can be run |
| 14:12:09 | bebna | emcore does boot, but did'nt i need to run rockbox for usb access? |
| 14:12:36 | user890104 | no, emcore also has an usb driver, but it does not use mass storage protocol, it uses its own one |
| 14:12:38 | [Saint] | not necessarily, no. |
| 14:12:51 | user890104 | and there are pc-side tools, that can upload code and run it on the ipod |
| 14:13:14 | bebna | oh |
| 14:13:17 | bebna | thankyou |
| 14:15:58 | bebna | I just found a log from 2011-11.21, with a conversation of this hddscan2 app and a download link who works |
| 14:16:38 | bebna | will check it out tonight, at the moment I'm at work and can't access my ipod from here -,-* |
| 14:16:42 | user890104 | there's a similar log here: http://logs.freemyipod.org/%23freemyipod/2011-04/2011-04-01-%23freemyipod.log |
| 14:17:00 | bebna | i got this one http://logs.freemyipod.org/%23freemyipod-support/2011-11/2011-11-21-%23freemyipod-support.log |
| 14:17:24 | user890104 | please be warned that running hddscan2 will completely trash all your ipod's hdd contents |
| 14:17:26 | bebna | I also looked in the freemyipod.org wiki but it doesn't seem to got a page |
| 14:17:45 | bebna | user890104: I never got to uploading any music to it |
| 14:18:24 | user890104 | no, there's no page yet, and the sourcecode isn't yet uploaded to the official svn repo (but it's available if someone wants to take a look) |
| 14:18:34 | [Saint] | user890104: I know we can't dual-boot, but, could we jump into diagmode? |
| 14:18:46 | user890104 | ok, then you can just go ahead and run it, but keep the ipod connected to power |
| 14:18:50 | bebna | < [7]> you basically have three options: 1. toss it into the trash can, 2. replace the hdd, 3. use only emcore and rockbox, try hddscan2 and pray :) |
| 14:19:01 | bebna | ^ that line hits me hard |
| 14:19:10 | user890104 | [Saint]: disk mode does not work for sure, haven't tried diagmode yet |
| 14:19:33 | [Saint] | I just thought that if we could jump into diagmode, SMART data would be accessible |
| 14:19:42 | user890104 | bebna: these are basicly the options you have now |
| 14:20:08 | user890104 | hddscan2 creates a file with bad blocks, which only emcore and rockbox can read |
| 14:20:37 | user890104 | once you restore to apple's os, this file would be lost, and even if you backup it, their os can't make use of it |
| 14:21:51 | bebna | I only want to use rockbox with it, apple's os doesn't support opus |
| 14:22:54 | [Saint] | fwiw, Rockbox's opus support is only very basic - but the classic has enough guts to do the job. |
| 14:23:20 | [Saint] | there's a lot of room for optimization. |
| 14:23:42 | bebna | The Sandisk Clip+ doesn't got a problem with it either, until it got stolen -.-* |
| 14:24:08 | [Saint] | The Clip didn't choke on higher bitrates? |
| 14:25:51 | bebna | I tested it up too 256kbps i think, WPS was laggy with 256 yes, but sound was fine |
| 14:25:51 | [Saint] | Hum, interesting, it has progressed further than I thought. |
| 14:25:51 | bebna | But I couldn't hear a difference >96kbps |
| 14:26:08 | bebna | Try it out, but check your battery lifetime, it drains faster than with simpler codecs. |
| 14:26:37 | [Saint] | Oh, I'm aware of this. Which is why I'm not using it presently. |
| 14:27:23 | [Saint] | ...though batter life isn't really an issue on the CE-ATA CLassic, 850mA means roughly 50 hours playback. |
| 14:27:27 | [Saint] | *battery |
| 14:27:41 | [Saint] | (mp3@320CBR) |
| 14:28:22 | bebna | o.0 pidgin thinks mp3@320CBR is a vaild email address |
| 14:28:33 | Torne | not quite ;) |
| 14:28:45 | Torne | it doesn't have a dot in it ;) |
| 14:29:05 | [Saint] | (mp3@320.CBR) |
| 14:29:10 | [Saint] | fixed! :) |
| 14:29:42 | bebna | the thing is |
| 14:30:21 | bebna | I couldn't differentiate between 96kbps and 128kbps opus, but i could differentiate 128kbps mp3 and 96kbps and opus |
| 14:30:37 | bebna | with opus sounding better and wider |
| 14:32:00 | bebna | And the author of opus says, V1.1 sounds better than V1.0, which I believe Rockbox has |
| 14:32:48 | freqmod_ | even if it is encoded with 1.1 and decoded with 1.0? |
| 14:33:21 | bebna | don't know, doesn't used v1.1 yet |
| 14:34:44 | bebna | the sound was played on the clip+ and with denon ah-c360 plugs |
| 14:36:11 | bebna | i can recheck against some some neutral speakers |
| 14:36:15 | bebna | if you like |
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| 14:38:51 | webguest31 | Hi Torne, Thanks for rockbox support. Quick question regarding Big Disk support |
| 14:39:52 | webguest31 | I have Gigabeat S and 240gb HD... |
| 14:40:22 | webguest31 | Tried few times your instructions from thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=28554.0 |
| 14:42:17 | webguest31 | with no luck... <HD1> not in rockbox file explorer... but avalable partitions in rockbox debug info show correct number and sizes |
| 14:42:40 | webguest31 | Any idea to enable <HD1> |
| 14:43:29 | * | [Saint] assumes you've recompiled with multivolume support enabled? |
| 14:43:40 | [Saint] | I _think_ this is still required. |
| 14:45:40 | webguest31 | Thansk... yes I updated system-target.h file as recommended and removed #define USBSTOR_READ_SECTORS_FILTER() ... block.. |
| 14:46:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:46:39 | Torne | is the other partition actually formatted correctly? |
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| 14:46:47 | Torne | can you access it and write to it via USB? |
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| 14:47:32 | webguest31 | Linux sucessefully recognised all partitions and allow format empty space with fat32... Yes I also can write correctly... new partition is type ff... |
| 14:48:06 | Torne | did you also apply the patch to rockbox to allow it to mount partitions of type ff? |
| 14:48:19 | Torne | the patch linked in that thread isn't there any more |
| 14:48:23 | Torne | so, i'm guessing you didn't ;) |
| 14:48:32 | Torne | (the link to paste.debian.net) |
| 14:48:33 | webguest31 | ups.. i guess no... |
| 14:49:08 | Torne | you need to modify the code that reads the partition table in rockbox to think that 0xff is a valid FAT partition type |
| 14:49:10 | webguest31 | the link seems dead http://paste.debian.net/125614/ |
| 14:49:12 | Torne | yes |
| 14:49:14 | Torne | that's what i just said :) |
| 14:49:19 | Torne | that's why i guessed you hadn't applied it |
| 14:49:54 | webguest31 | thanks... will try to searh the patch... |
| 14:50:03 | Torne | it's a one line change |
| 14:50:14 | Torne | you won't find tha tpatch anywhere i expect |
| 14:50:21 | Torne | it wasn't by us, it was the author of that forum post |
| 14:50:52 | [Saint] | does multivolume "just work" now? Or does the target's config need HAVE_MULTIVOLUME added to it? |
| 14:51:31 | Torne | webguest31: you need to add 0xff to the array fat_partition_types in firmware/common/disk.c |
| 14:51:38 | Torne | around line 50 |
| 14:51:48 | Torne | as far as i remember that was all that was in that patch. |
| 14:52:04 | webguest31 | got it... Much thanks!!! let me try.. |
| 14:52:35 | Torne | we tried to make this unnecessary by having it probe all partitions regardless of type |
| 14:52:49 | Torne | but unfortunately our FAT code is not careful enough about validating whether partitions are really FAT partitions or not |
| 14:52:58 | Torne | and it resulted in some devices misdetecting their partition layout and becoming unusable :) |
| 14:53:06 | Torne | we need to make fat_mount() more cautious ;) |
| 14:53:49 | webguest31 | Git it! This is great job with rockbox as it is!! Much Thanks for support |
| 14:54:43 | Torne | no problem. it would be nice if we got this to work "properly" at some point (i.e. without hacks0 |
| 14:55:07 | Torne | my idea was to write a plugin that creates the extra partition on the device for you |
| 14:55:16 | Torne | such that you don't need the weird usb patches to make it from the host |
| 14:56:01 | webguest31 | Perfect! Thanks |
| 14:56:21 | Torne | well, i haven't gotten around to doing it however many years later |
| 14:56:24 | Torne | so don't say thanks ;) |
| 14:58:34 | [Saint] | webguest31: you might want to check if you defined HAVE_MULTIVOLUME in your devices config .h file, I don't recall seeing that stated in the forum link above and as far as I'm aware this is necessary. |
| 14:59:05 | [Saint] | as far as I'm aware, without doing so, it still won't work even if you do the changes Torne listed |
| 14:59:34 | Torne | [Saint]: we at least *discussed* turning multivolume on universally |
| 14:59:38 | Torne | i'm not sure if we actually did |
| 14:59:49 | [Saint] | AHa...hum. |
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| 15:00:01 | Torne | there may have been some reason not to |
| 15:00:07 | Torne | or maybe we didn't get around to it ;) |
| 15:03:55 | webguest31 | #ifdef HAVE_MULTIVOLUME |
| 15:03:55 | webguest31 | #define NUM_VOLUMES_PER_DRIVE 4 |
| 15:03:59 | webguest31 | Saint... thanks for headsup.. i checked config.h and it seems that |
| 15:04:20 | webguest31 | HAVE_MULTIVOLUME is there with above clouse.. |
| 15:05:44 | [Saint] | ok, then just add "#define HAVE_MULTIVOLUME" in there. |
| 15:05:56 | [Saint] | but, I'm sure you're aware of this if you've gotten this far. |
| 15:10:18 | webguest31 | Thanks Saint... It seems below clouse there.. hope it will work: |
| 15:10:20 | webguest31 | #if defined(HAVE_MULTIDRIVE) && !defined(HAVE_MULTIVOLUME) |
| 15:10:20 | webguest31 | #define HAVE_MULTIVOLUME |
| 15:10:20 | webguest31 | #endif |
| 15:12:28 | [Saint] | that seems like an odd way to do it... |
| 15:12:51 | Torne | webguest31: no, that's not relevant |
| 15:12:58 | Torne | that says that things which are multidrive must also be multivolume |
| 15:13:24 | Torne | you need to add #define HAVE_MULTIVOLUME to the gigabeat S's config file |
| 15:14:15 | [Saint] | firmware/export/config/your_device.h |
| 15:15:36 | webguest31 | got it... checking... |
| 15:18:29 | webguest31 | Great... updated gigabeats.h with #define MULTIVOLUME... will try new buld... Much Thanks... |
| 15:19:08 | [Saint] | Hum - we could /probably/ make a plugin that did all this for you I think. |
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| 15:19:16 | [Saint] | But, meh...it smacks of effort. |
| 15:19:33 | Torne | [Saint]: the partitioning can be done by a plugin, which avoids the need to patch the USB code |
| 15:19:41 | Torne | and we could enable multivolume on the Beast by default |
| 15:19:44 | Torne | or on all targets maybe |
| 15:19:45 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 15:19:51 | Torne | you';d still need a host to actually format the second partition |
| 15:19:59 | [Saint] | Aha - good point. |
| 15:20:11 | Torne | as i doubt we want to get into writing mkdosfs |
| 15:20:13 | Torne | because yuck |
| 15:20:28 | Torne | but that's fine, formatting a volume is easy for users |
| 15:20:37 | Torne | the only remaining thing would be allowing partition type ff as a valid type |
| 15:20:49 | Torne | which we could do, again, but because fat_mount is a bit wonky that might cause weird effects on some people's players |
| 15:21:05 | Torne | making fat_mount more careful to verify that the filesystem is actually plausible before mounting it would be nice :) |
| 15:22:07 | [Saint] | Hum - did I break something, or has the USB screen never actually notified the user when it is safe to disconnect? |
| 15:22:19 | [Saint] | My recollection is failing me. |
| 15:22:26 | Torne | our handling of eject is really wonky and "broke" a while back |
| 15:22:27 | Torne | for some value of broke |
| 15:22:36 | Torne | there's more than one way that the host can signal to the device that it's no longer in use |
| 15:22:45 | Torne | depending if the host thinks the device is removable or not |
| 15:22:48 | Torne | and on what OS you use |
| 15:22:53 | Torne | and rockbox doesn't treat them all equally |
| 15:22:55 | [Saint] | Aha - so it *did* make some form of notification, or am I imagining this? |
| 15:23:05 | Torne | for me it used to just exit usb mode |
| 15:23:06 | Torne | no notification |
| 15:23:12 | Torne | it would just go back to the main menu, still charging |
| 15:23:17 | Torne | when i ejected it in windows. |
| 15:23:17 | [Saint] | Aha, right. |
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| 15:23:30 | Torne | but at some point either rockbox changed or i switched to a different version of windows and then it stopped :) |
| 15:23:39 | [Saint] | Now it just sticks in the USB screen. |
| 15:23:46 | Torne | from talking to people about this before it's nontrivial to work out |
| 15:24:24 | [Saint] | That's fine, I was more concerned with whether or not I was imagining different behavior or not. |
| 15:24:46 | [Saint] | errr...but worded more goodlier. |
| 15:25:20 | Torne | this was, like, years ago though :) |
| 15:30:51 | bebna | hmm, did I checked it just wrong, or isn't there anywhere in the metadata fields the possibility to set tags? |
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| 15:36:32 | * | [Saint] is unsure of the question but takes a guess. |
| 15:36:44 | [Saint] | "No, you cannot edit metadata from within Rockbox at all" |
| 15:37:20 | bebna | no no no |
| 15:37:28 | bebna | i mean tags like categories |
| 15:37:36 | Torne | huh? |
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| 15:38:37 | * | [Saint] is lost |
| 15:39:15 | bebna | i hate english |
| 15:39:24 | Torne | bebna: we only parse the traditional id3 tags from the metadata, like genre |
| 15:39:29 | Torne | and we dont' support multivalue fields |
| 15:39:38 | Torne | the database doesn't support arbitrary columns |
| 15:40:00 | bebna | OSS, one can change that ;-) |
| 15:40:07 | Torne | so, unless you modify the database code there's no way for it to index anything other than artist/album/track/genre |
| 15:40:07 | bebna | the thing is |
| 15:40:25 | Torne | the thing is the database code is horrible and nobody understands it and most of the developers don't use it anyway |
| 15:40:30 | bebna | i thought about sorting my music with tags |
| 15:40:32 | Torne | so nobody has made the database smarter for a long time :) |
| 15:40:44 | bebna | tags like "electro, happy, fast" |
| 15:41:08 | Torne | right. so yeah, you can't do that. the only relevant field we support is genre and we treat it as a single string |
| 15:41:10 | [Saint] | use the "comment" field. |
| 15:41:16 | Torne | oh, hm |
| 15:41:20 | Torne | yeah, we do index comment actually |
| 15:41:26 | [Saint] | that's as good as you'll get. |
| 15:41:26 | Torne | but it's not very useful |
| 15:41:35 | Torne | you can do substring seraches on it by making a custom tag index thingy |
| 15:41:43 | Torne | but you can't really just browse it by tag if they have multiple values |
| 15:41:46 | bebna | yeah, but other apps don't seem to use it either, because it isn't in the standards |
| 15:42:03 | Torne | bebna: the id3v2 standard does actually have fields for these things, and does specify how to encode multiple values |
| 15:42:06 | Torne | :) |
| 15:42:15 | Torne | virtually all music playing programs get it wrong or ignore it |
| 15:42:18 | bebna | how did i miss it? |
| 15:42:59 | Torne | i tested this a while ago when retagging all my music and while Picard can *write* multivalue tags in multiple stnadard or nonstandard formats virtually nothing reads them correctly/at all |
| 15:43:18 | Torne | so it's probably hopeless :) |
| 15:43:25 | Torne | even if you fixed rockbox to support it, nothing else will be compatible :) |
| 15:43:51 | bebna | there isn't a proper music manager anyways |
| 15:44:18 | bebna | rockbox needs it's own itunes! *ambitions* |
| 15:44:24 | [Saint] | Picard is probably the least broken of a large bunch. |
| 15:44:40 | [Saint] | "its own iTunes" is the last thing Rockbox needs :) |
| 15:45:13 | [Saint] | The fact that you specifically don't need any management software is one of the huge benefits of Rockbox. |
| 15:45:28 | Torne | y7eah, i "Manage" my music with rsync |
| 15:45:31 | Torne | :) |
| 15:46:21 | Torne | but yeah, all text frames in id3 are allowed to contain multiple strings, which are stored as a null separated list (i.e. a byte that's just zero, in most encodings) |
| 15:46:39 | Torne | i have yet to find a single program other than picard that understands the null separated format |
| 15:46:46 | Torne | some programs support semicolon-separated lists, which is wrong |
| 15:46:58 | Torne | or comma-separated, which is also wrong (and conflicts with existing usage of commas for otehr purposes) |
| 15:47:32 | Torne | most programs will either just use the first value and truncate it after the null because they are using C string functions that think that's the end of the string, or end up concatenating them all togetherwith garbage characters or question marks or something in the place of the nulls |
| 15:47:36 | [Saint] | Indeedy. |
| 15:47:37 | Torne | whcih si even less useful ;) |
| 15:47:45 | bebna | null seperated values often crash with null terminated strings, ... |
| 15:47:53 | Torne | no |
| 15:47:57 | [Saint] | I should be able to do "Cure, The" etc. without things thinking it is two seperate tags. |
| 15:47:58 | Torne | crashing is not involved. |
| 15:48:10 | Torne | [Saint]: yah, well, programs tend to apply this logic selectively to certain fields |
| 15:48:19 | Torne | which is also wrong, as the spec says it applies to *all* text frames |
| 15:48:36 | Torne | e.g. you could have a multivalue artist tag ;) |
| 15:48:45 | Torne | so yeah |
| 15:48:48 | Torne | this shit doesn't work |
| 15:49:10 | Torne | at all, unless you always use the same program to access your music, and that program happens to impelemnt it in a certain way that you can use. |
| 15:49:14 | Torne | it's just notn portable |
| 15:49:16 | Torne | i gave up :) |
| 15:49:30 | Torne | i would be interested in adding support to rockbox *if* it actually worked in other things |
| 15:49:34 | Torne | but, it doesn't, so fuck it |
| 15:49:43 | [Saint] | Fair enough. :) |
| 15:49:50 | bebna | so symlinks for the rescue? |
| 15:49:56 | Torne | you can't symlink files on FAT |
| 15:50:04 | [Saint] | errr...FAT |
| 15:50:05 | Torne | and rockbox only supports FAT |
| 15:50:07 | [Saint] | no symlinks |
| 15:50:08 | Torne | so, no. |
| 15:50:09 | bebna | ... i forgot |
| 15:50:55 | bebna | i just the checked id3v2.4.0 frames, there is nothing for tags to be found |
| 15:51:46 | Torne | that's because it doesn't have one called "tags" |
| 15:51:52 | Torne | it has, instead, like, 20 different more specific text fields |
| 15:51:56 | Torne | like mood and so on :) |
| 15:53:05 | Torne | the plugin i use for picard to populate this data sets grouping, genre, mood, decade, occasion, category, and some others too :) |
| 15:53:09 | bebna | i didn't check for mood, i searched for everything that would resamble some user defined identifiers |
| 15:53:22 | Torne | Right, there are literally dozens of fields for user defined identifiers |
| 15:53:30 | Torne | for different purposes |
| 15:53:34 | Torne | and also several generic ones as well :) |
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| 15:54:37 | Torne | also, there are others not actually in the spec that are still de facto stadnards like occasion :) |
| 15:54:57 | Torne | again, programs use this stuff all completely weirdly and inconsistently |
| 15:55:15 | Torne | so, unless you intend to use it with one specific piece of software (in which case you just do whatever it supports) you are basically screwed |
| 15:58:15 | bebna | hmm, vorbis allows using a tag like genre multiple types |
| 15:58:19 | webguest31 | Torne / Saint ... as follow up on Big Disk for gigabeat S... All is working great after rebuld with recomended changes! Much Thanks!! |
| 15:58:24 | webguest31 | Can I access ff partition in Win7 it seems that only main 128GB is visable... Linux mounts all partitions well |
| 15:58:46 | Torne | webguest31: windows shouldn't care waht the partition type is either |
| 15:58:50 | Torne | well, hm |
| 15:58:54 | Torne | it might not like ff, though |
| 15:59:16 | Torne | there was originally another suggestion (which i don't recall if anyone actually implemented) to patch the partition table on read over USB to say it was the normal type |
| 15:59:33 | Torne | windows doesn't mind if the partition type is wrong, but 0xff is supposed to mean "empty" so it may well ignore it |
| 15:59:37 | Torne | :) |
| 15:59:49 | Torne | bebna: indeed, but again, programs don't handelt his consistenlty |
| 15:59:55 | bebna | webguest31: can you see the the partition in "disk managment"? |
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| 16:00:09 | Torne | bebna: also, as a bonus, some programs seemt o handle repeated vorbis comments by letting them overwrite each other such that the value you see is the *last8 one, not the first one |
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| 16:00:14 | Torne | which is even less useful |
| 16:00:19 | webguest31 | yes it is in manager... but not allow leter change... |
| 16:00:36 | Torne | webguest31: you probably need to have rockbox patch the MBR when it's read over USB, then |
| 16:00:43 | bebna | ^ |
| 16:00:52 | Torne | no idea if the previous guy did that or not |
| 16:00:54 | Torne | maybe he didn't care ;) |
| 16:01:06 | webguest31 | Got it! Much Thanks!! |
| 16:01:46 | Torne | the usb_fix_mbr code already fakes the mbr, but those instructions disbled that (necessary to allow modifying the patition table over usb) |
| 16:02:07 | Torne | if you put the USB code back to the original state where it doesn't allow writing to the MBR and patches it, you can extend usb_fix_mbr to also do this rewriting |
| 16:02:19 | Torne | you don't need those usb patches now you partitioned it once :) |
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| 16:03:26 | bebna | I envy you webguest31, your disk is working! hf |
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| 16:28:13 | webguest31 | Torne, I put USB code in original state and now trying to extend usb_fix_mbr. In my case it is usb-gigabeat-s.c. I wonder if extend usb_fix_mbr meens to swap first and 3rd partitions |
| 16:28:17 | webguest31 | /* Swap second and third partitions */ |
| 16:28:17 | webguest31 | memcpy(tmp, &p[0x10], 16); |
| 16:28:17 | webguest31 | memcpy(&p[0x10], &p[0x20], 16); |
| 16:28:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK webguest31 |
| 16:28:17 | webguest31 | memcpy(&p[0x20], tmp, 16); |
| 16:28:37 | Torne | i forget :) |
| 16:35:18 | webguest31 | Thanks ;) I winder if below from usb-gigabeat-s.c describes Win limitation... or I can force to mount 2 partitions |
| 16:35:20 | webguest31 | Windows ignores the partition flags and mounts the first partition it |
| 16:35:20 | webguest31 | sees when the device reports itself as removable |
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| 16:37:42 | Torne | Oh, right, yes |
| 16:37:44 | Torne | that :) |
| 16:37:48 | Torne | Yeah, you are probably running into that ;) |
| 16:37:57 | Torne | so the partition type is prbably not the problem |
| 16:39:35 | webguest31 | Much Thanks! |
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| 22:21:59 | randomdent | Hello? |
| 22:23:29 | [Saint] | Yes? |
| 22:23:42 | [Saint] | No need to ask to ask, just ask your question. |
| 22:24:03 | randomdent | haha great thanks. my device is an iRiver E300 |
| 22:24:40 | [Saint] | I suppose this is a "does Rockbox run on my...XXXXXXXXX?" question? |
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| 22:25:07 | randomdent | more like what i have to do to make any kind of rockbox work? |
| 22:25:44 | [Saint] | https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Fwiki%2FNewPort&ei=S4ZHUYD7FYfsiAf9uYG4Cw&usg=AFQjCNHRBxqFZOb66Jp_1MhOVTiiD3h49w&bvm=bv.43828540,d.aGc |
| 22:25:47 | randomdent | because at the moment rockbox is not fitted for my player |
| 22:25:49 | [Saint] | blargh! |
| 22:25:54 | [Saint] | silly Google... |
| 22:26:03 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
| 22:26:17 | randomdent | i got the page, thanks |
| 22:28:02 | randomdent | ok, so i got to this page |
| 22:28:03 | randomdent | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IriverEseries |
| 22:28:10 | randomdent | what do i do with the code? |
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| 22:29:20 | [Saint] | At this stage - nothing at all. |
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| 22:31:56 | randomdent | oh, ok. is it worth trying to install the rockbox firmware that is intended for a different device? |
| 22:32:21 | [Saint] | No - don't ever do that. |
| 22:32:39 | lebellium | is that risky? That just won't work, will it? :) |
| 22:32:59 | [Saint] | Potentially both, definitely the latter. |
| 22:33:42 | randomdent | ahh man. and i dont know how to code.. i'll have to keep an eye on it if someone gets up to it |
| 22:33:49 | [Saint] | The small saving grace for you in that the SoC is known, and the supported E series targets use it - but you'll still need to find out about any additional HW that may be shared or has changed. |
| 22:34:32 | [Saint] | Following the steps listed in the newports wiki page linked above is generally considered a bare minimum effort. |
| 22:34:35 | lebellium | well if you can't code at all, don't expect anything unless there is a dev with this device willing to port RB to it |
| 22:35:23 | [Saint] | It pays to assume that the only person interested in said new port, is you, and that no one will help you - and be pleasantly surprised if/when other developers/users step in. |
| 22:35:55 | randomdent | nope, cant code at all. i'd be willing to do something though if theres anything i can do |
| 22:35:56 | [Saint] | The newports page is blunt, and it seems harsh - but its true. |
| 22:36:16 | [Saint] | a new port can potentially be many hundreds of man hours. |
| 22:37:33 | randomdent | wow.. i'll have to stick with custom then |
| 22:37:41 | [Saint] | start a new device page, get scans, identify components...just, follow the steps listed in newports. |
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| 22:37:53 | [Saint] | every bit helps. |
| 22:38:11 | pamaury | if the soc is unsuppported, yeah it can be hundreds of man hours (mind the s after hundred), but ifwe already have support for the soc, it might be far less |
| 22:38:16 | [Saint] | Even if someone picks up on your work years from now, every bit helps. |
| 22:38:41 | randomdent | can i break the player if i open it? |
| 22:38:44 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:38:44 | * | [Saint] is willing to bet that there's at least some hardware reused in addition to the SoC |
| 22:38:53 | [Saint] | randomdent: Oh, yes, certainly. |
| 22:39:18 | lebellium | [Saint]: It's hard to convince a new user that working for people in several years or never is not a waste of time :) |
| 22:39:27 | pamaury | what is the soc in iriver e300 ? |
| 22:39:38 | randomdent | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IriverEseries |
| 22:39:48 | [Saint] | ATJ213x |
| 22:39:52 | [Saint] | iirc |
| 22:39:56 | [Saint] | Aha, yep. |
| 22:40:04 | randomdent | well i'd rather not break it to be honest, i have nothing to replace it at all.. and i need my music :D |
| 22:40:22 | pamaury | wodz is working on the atj soc currently |
| 22:40:44 | [Saint] | You probably won't. But you asked if you could, and that is certainly possible. |
| 22:40:59 | [Saint] | just don't go poking at the sparkly bits with pointy things :) |
| 22:41:37 | randomdent | that seems logical |
| 22:41:39 | pamaury | when wodz is online, you should ask him, he knows thingds about this soc, he can better evaluate the work |
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| 22:43:30 | [Saint] | the construction seems very similar to the E100/150 |
| 22:44:03 | [Saint] | in which case the required tool for opening said device is a spudger/guitar pick and a phillipshead 00 |
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| 22:45:08 | [Saint] | good timing, sir. |
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| 22:45:14 | wodz | e100/e200/e300 are very similar |
| 22:46:01 | wodz | I tend to think it is pure marketing voodoo and players are actually the same (minus aestetic minor differences) |
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| 22:46:33 | wodz | e200 is a bit more different due to different controls but for sure is based on the same reference design |
| 22:46:52 | randomdent | sounds great |
| 22:47:12 | [Saint] | the 200 had diagonals on the dpad, no? |
| 22:47:24 | * | [Saint] used to own one, many moons ago. |
| 22:47:26 | randomdent | i'd open my e300 if theres someone that can help me from there.. or at least someone that continues the project. that i dont risk it for nothing :) |
| 22:47:31 | [Saint] | ...not that long ago really. :) |
| 22:48:14 | wodz | well I have e150 only, pictures of e300 internals could be usefull |
| 22:48:34 | [Saint] | randomdent: that's the thing, for instance, a developer could pick it up - and then get hit by a bus. You never know. |
| 22:48:36 | pamaury | wodz: i've made some progress on the rknano :) |
| 22:48:50 | wodz | BUT it is really hard to open if you don't know how to start |
| 22:48:53 | randomdent | and nothing happens with it when i scan it? |
| 22:48:54 | [Saint] | The information is always useful, but there can't ever be any guarantees on whether or not it will be used. |
| 22:49:05 | wodz | pamaury: yeah, saw in logs |
| 22:49:09 | randomdent | well i'd unscrew the two little screws and use a thin pick |
| 22:49:35 | [Saint] | No, a scanner can't harm the device. |
| 22:49:46 | [Saint] | A nice digital camera can do the trick also. |
| 22:50:07 | wodz | pamaury: the lack of upload limit is most probably due to bigger iram |
| 22:50:25 | wodz | pamaury: maybe this rknano has iram only |
| 22:50:35 | pamaury | probably |
| 22:50:56 | randomdent | alright, ill see when i get to it, and ill come back then :) |
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| 23:07:52 | wodz | "hard" adfu mode of atj213x doesn't seem to accept 'read memory' command. It accepts something which I think is 'write memory' and 'execute'. I need to craft some smart code to proof this. |
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| 23:20:35 | bertrik | wodz: I still suspect the AMS "bricked" mode to do something similar |
| 23:21:06 | funman | bertrik: there's no DFU usb device though, only UMS? |
| 23:21:58 | funman | wait, we're gonna support both sansa e200 and iriver e200 at some point? |
| 23:22:08 | bertrik | funman: yes, could it be that writing to the USB device actually writes to RAM? but I don't know of any "execute" command |
| 23:22:39 | funman | bertrik: a block device mapped to RAM would be weird (but well we've seen weird things anyway) |
| 23:22:54 | bertrik | the UMS device data did seem to be persistent, but not across shutdowns |
| 23:23:23 | funman | bertrik: get some liquid nitrogen and try cold boot attack :) |
| 23:24:14 | funman | JdGordon: ping FS #12639 |
| 23:24:16 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12639 Certain themes cause the WPS to not load properly and USB to not work (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 23:25:21 | bertrik | funman: I've seen recognisable greyscale images from DRAM that wasn't refreshed for a minute or so |
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| 23:32:03 | wodz | funman: maybe in far future we will support both sansa e200 and iriver e200 - this will be support nightmare |
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| 23:34:26 | pamaury | funman: maybe ums with vendor scsi or buggy ums (i've sen this) ? |
| 23:34:48 | pamaury | or onlyworks in full-speed mode ? |
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| 23:43:23 | ikeboy | What rockbox supported model is the fastest? |
| 23:43:54 | lebellium | fastest in what? they all play music the same :) |
| 23:44:27 | gevaerts | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison might be helpful |
| 23:45:15 | gevaerts | lebellium: that's a bit confusing. Yes, they all play a 10 minute track in 10 minutes, but no, they can't all decode the more CPU-intensive codecs |
| 23:46:41 | lebellium | except for the newly supported Opus codec, are there differences for the user between the various targets ? |
| 23:47:12 | gevaerts | Sure. See http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio for an extreme case |
| 23:48:49 | JdGordon | funman: hehe, keep trying :) |
| 23:49:03 | funman | JdGordon: i'll have no rest :) |
| 23:49:36 | lebellium | funman: I'm with you. |
| 23:50:10 | lebellium | I have 10 or more rockboxed devices and USB doesn't work on any of them with my theme... pfiouu :'( |
| 23:50:52 | lebellium | gevaerts: thank you, I did not know about that |
| 23:51:23 | ikeboy | which have the most RAM and CPU speed? |
| 23:52:21 | ikeboy | I have the sansa fuze plus but wanted to know if there were other models that rockbox will work with that are faster |
| 23:53:05 | gevaerts | ikeboy: the toshiba gigabeat S is the fastest "traditional" (i.e. not android or something like that) target |
| 23:53:14 | lebellium | YP-R0 has a IMX37 532Mhz too |
| 23:53:26 | lebellium | but it's RaaA |
| 23:53:28 | gevaerts | That one might be close to the gigabeat then |
| 23:53:54 | gevaerts | The gigabeat S is unfortunately not easy to install |
| 23:54:17 | funman | lebellium: ping Jd until he takes a look at this valgrind trace! |
| 23:54:43 | lebellium | I don't want him to hate me :D |
| 23:55:39 | ikeboy | I think the gigabeat is not in production anymore |
| 23:55:54 | lebellium | It isn't, YP-R0 either |
| 23:56:02 | lebellium | neither* |
| 23:56:17 | lebellium | you did not mention it has to be in production |
| 23:56:21 | gevaerts | Why do you care about CPU speed and RAM? |
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