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#rockbox log for 2013-03-20

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00:07:04[Saint]What devices, if any, allow you to record and monitor at the same time?
00:07:27[Saint](gee - spot the guy that *never* uses recording ;))
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00:40:33lebelliumamayer or anyone interested: I just my uploaded my theme for E200: and got the usual "Notice: Undefined index: extension in /home/themes/private/themesite.class.php on line xxx" message but this time I don't forget to say which lines here: 973, 975, 977, 979, 987, 994 and 1025
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02:13:41amayerscorche: ping
02:14:13amayerscorche|sh: ping
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03:13:48scorcheamayer: hi
03:14:13amayerif i have questions about your php.ini file should i PM you?
03:15:08scorchedidnt i give you the output of that?
03:15:15scorchePm away
03:23:54amayerim working on setting up a test server... my old one got lost in a dual booting experiment
03:25:11scorcheouch - after all that work we/you did =/
03:36:03amayerthe git repo has all my recent work. there wasnt much i didnt push for you
03:36:29amayeri think i was working on something to do with ratings but it wasnt a big issue
03:41:10[Saint]I seem to recall some form of rate limiting/anti-abuse
03:41:20[Saint](which is definitely highly possible presently)
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03:51:37amayer[Saint]: there is something implemented
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03:52:17[Saint]It can still be abused
03:52:29amayervery easaly(sp?)
03:52:36[Saint]but I guess it is kinda hard to make it so no on e can get around it.
03:52:51[Saint]its once per hour, per ip, iirc.
03:53:07amayersome kinda of login system would be the only sure fire way
03:53:15*[Saint] nods
03:53:28amayerand its not an hourly thing. its a "never expires" thing
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03:54:15[Saint]you can easily do rate; clear cache; discard ip; rinse, repeat.
03:54:36amayeryou dont even need to discard ip for it to work
03:55:05amayerour system doesnt log ips.
03:55:23amayerat least no code ive looked over
03:55:27[Saint]Hum - I thought it did.
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03:56:36amayerbut either way if your a residential user its easy enough to get a new ip
03:57:10amayerthe fortunate with static ip would have a harder time
03:58:00[Saint]ideally - it would be login required (shared with forum?), and rate once per revision of the theme.
03:59:10amayer[Saint]: that is my next project. use forum login for uploads and rating system on themesite
03:59:19[Saint]it isn't a huge thing, but I have certainly seen authors artificaially boosting stats before.
04:00:51[Saint]I also don't think that rating without a download is too useful, but you'd need to keep track of what user downloaded which theme - as it would be unreasonable to expect a rating immediately after the download, before the theme is in use.
04:01:07[Saint]as I said, little (but annoying) things. :)
04:01:10[Saint]No big concern.
04:01:57amayeryeah i dont think logging that much data would be worth it
04:02:25amayerbut a login would be very useful
04:02:37[Saint]in saying that - ratings aren't that useful at all really, now I think of it.
04:03:09[Saint]the fact it can be abused, and the fact that a theme can be rated solely on appearence and not functionality kinda defeats the purpose.
04:04:08[Saint]I was thinking maybe just download count - but that is just as flawed - if not maore so.
04:05:57amayerTHANK YOU LIVE BOOT USB!!! i just found my old themesite files... i guess i didnt blow that partition away maybe its a grub error or something. *scratches head*
04:06:55amayerit looks like the only changes i didnt make live are the readme file... interesting
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04:10:38amayeri think i asked this before but are the forums and themesite on the same server?
04:11:02scorchei host: forums, themes, and translate
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04:14:22amayercool cool. then this might be possable after all
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04:28:04[Saint]scorche is "all-round Mr. Niceguy" wrt: hosting. He pays for it, and uses it for his own uses, but I tend to think "the fund" should pay for it - scorche graciously declines.
04:28:11[Saint]'tis a high degree of awesome.
04:30:13*[Saint] likes to occasionally remind him of the fact that it is greatly appreciated
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06:03:48scorche[Saint]: heh - thanks
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10:10:45punkti found out the difference between synopsys dwc and dwc2 implementation
10:11:34punktdwc is the synopsys title for the memory mapped tds version, known as ci13xxx in the kernel
10:12:23punktdwc2 is the next version, which does not work with mapped memory
10:12:35punktand dwc3 is the xhci version
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11:48:50JdGordon_funman: ping
11:51:22JdGordon_funman: give g#424 a try. it doesnt really do anything, but it does shut valgrind up
11:51:24fs-bluebotGerrit review #424 at : Shut valgrind up by Jonathan Gordon (changes/24/424/1)
11:51:31JdGordon_so it may or man not actually fix your bug
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13:08:05*pamaury is very confused, I wrote buggy code, it worked, now I realised the bug but the fixed code doesn't work !!
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13:28:33bebnapamaury: it was a feature not a bug
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14:00:39pamaurythat's it, exactly
14:01:13pamauryI had to roll back a commit line by line to find the bug, now it seems so obvious
14:01:23pamauryyet I don't know how to make it work now
14:01:28pamaurywell sort of
14:01:52*pamaury needs to read the sd/mmc spec again
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14:50:20lebelliumjust got a second-handed iRiver H140 but cannot upgrade the firmware
14:50:24lebelliumnow I see it is formated in NTFS
14:50:33lebelliumis that normal or should it be formated in FAT32?
14:51:26Torneit should be fat32
14:52:02lebelliumok.... I hate stupid previous users when I buy second-handed product
14:52:23lebelliumfunny that the OF boots even in NTFS though
14:53:02amayerlebellium: maybe they wanted to get rid of the contents and just didnt know how to format it
14:53:23lebelliumhum Windows 7 only proposes me NTFS (default) or exFAT...
14:53:37amayerlebellium: when you saw the notices did the page die? or were they just errors at the top of the page?
14:53:41Torneyes, windows won't format >32gb disks as fat any more
14:53:45Torneyou need to use some third party tool
14:54:02lebelliumok I should have a 3rd party tool
14:54:14lebelliumamayer: just erros at the top of the page
14:54:54pamauryjust noticed a potential bug I ran into in our sd code on various targets (like ams): if you don't read the answer to SWITCH_FUNC (which is R1), the next command might fail if the card takes too long to switch (ie more than the sleep(HZ/10))
14:54:55amayerok. thats what i thought. the notice makes sense but its just a notice. not an actual error.
14:57:01copperamayer: undefined index is an error
14:57:09coppermeans something's wrong in the code
14:57:36amayeryeah i get that. but its not fatal. its still a bug but it wont stop someone from uploading a theme
14:57:46copperneeds an array_key_exists() or something
14:58:07lebelliumyeah my theme uploaded successfully.
14:58:14copperand yeah, I got the notice too, but it still worked
14:58:31amayerthere is a function where the key should be made. but we rely on the system to make it. so i just have to add a line that checks if it was made and if not ill make it myself
14:58:44copperamayer: also, you might want to disable displaying errors and just log them
14:58:58amayercopper: i already talked to scorche about it
14:59:36amayerthis was most likely caused by an update(2 or 3 updates stacked on top of each other) that led to this happening
14:59:49amayer(system updates not us)
15:00:34lebelliumTorne: what cluster size should I select for FAT32? 32KB?
15:01:11copperamayer: also, I asked about this again, but I don't remember if it reached you: permalinks for theme zip files would be nice
15:02:29amayercopper: im not sure i understand what you mean? a way to download old themes?
15:02:54amayeror 1 link that always points to the newest version?
15:03:05copperthe latter
15:03:27copperright now, a new URL is generated when you update a theme
15:04:28copperso any time you link to it (in forums or whatever), you have to update the link
15:04:44copperor, like I did, make a redirect an another server
15:05:11amayerif you link to the theme page i made it so i goes to the newest version...
15:05:28amayerlinking to a zip would require more work.
15:06:23copperyou mean this?
15:06:33copperit's unclear how to download the zip file from there
15:06:51amayervery true
15:06:55copperfrom what I gathered, you need to click on one of the screenshots, but that's not obvious at all
15:07:22copper redirects to the latest zip
15:07:39copperso I can link to that, and I only have to change it on my server whenever I update the theme
15:07:54lebelliumanyone knows with what cluster size I should reformat my H140?
15:09:15amayercopper: i get what your saying... im not really sure how the versioning system works. but im sure permalink could be implemented in the future(i just added it to my todo list)
15:10:23copperamayer: for now I'd be happy with just a clear "download" link on the theme page
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15:10:54amayerill add that to my todo list too
15:11:37megal0maniacHi all. Quick question, is it a known issue (or feature) with the Clip+ that you have to click "Select" twice whenever there's a "Select - OK, any other - cancel" screen?
15:11:39copperit looks like the URL for the theme page changes too
15:11:46copperso that doesn't solve anything
15:12:19megal0maniacMost frequently occuring screen like that is "Erase dynamic playlist?" and I always have to double click select
15:12:20copperit's the themeid that changes for all theme related URLs
15:12:28copperthat's the problem
15:12:37amayercopper: the url changes but if you go to an old url it automagically redirects to the newest version
15:12:57amayeri implemented that a couple months ago
15:13:02copperah indeed it does
15:13:27copperseems like a strange way to handle things
15:19:37amayer*shrugs* the old url would just show a "this page is no longer here" message. so i set up the code to redirect to the newest version
15:23:03amayerdoes anyone know why we have a versioning system on the themesite?
15:24:30*rasher may be to blame
15:24:42rasherI don't recall, to be honest
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15:25:56amayerfrom what i see nothing in our theme site links to old themes... and that just leaves a lot of files laying around.
15:27:04amayerim just trying to get a feel for what should be updated.
15:27:29funmanlebellium: can you test g#424 on a fuze+ with RAYBORADIO theme (or another one that breaks usb) ?
15:27:31fs-bluebotGerrit review #424 at : Shut valgrind up by Jonathan Gordon (changes/24/424/1)
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15:27:53amayer*doesnt want to hurt feelings* does anyone know why we use the smarty theme engine?
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15:33:21copperfunman: woah, what?
15:33:55copperfunman: is that why USB was always craptastic on my iPod Classic? I always used the rayboradio theme.
15:34:09Zagoramayer: "smarty"? it has a name nowadays? :)
15:34:24coppersmarty is actually the name of a template system
15:34:34funmancopper: maybe..
15:35:18Zagorcopper, amayer: where do we use that?
15:35:48copperZagor: I don't know anything about what you use, I just pointed out that "smarty" is an actual name for actual software ;)
15:36:00Zagorcopper: ah :)
15:36:49copperso unless amayer meant the PHP template engine, it's kinda confusing :)
15:37:26amayersorry for the confusion. yes i ment the php themesite template engine
15:37:43copperI'm still not clear on what you're talking about
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15:39:06amayer we use templates for all the pages on the themesite. i think it just adds a layer of complexity that isnt really needed for such a small project
15:39:24amayeri wasnt sure if it was useful for accessability or something else
15:39:49amayerpersonally i find it hard to work with and code for
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15:41:21funmancopper: does rayboradio specify a font?
15:41:30copperlemme check
15:42:18copperfont: /.rockbox/fonts/15-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt
15:43:30copperwhy does the classic theme have a .fms file?
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15:43:45copperer, iPod Video theme
15:44:12amayerdoes iPod Video have a radio?
15:44:18coppernot that I'm aware
15:44:35copperanyway, what part of the themes break USB?
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15:46:24funmancopper: well we all want to know
15:47:02copperdoes someone always have problems with, say, rayboradio, and never with cabbiev2?
15:47:52copperalso, :-/
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15:48:07copper314 Errors, 799 warning(s)
15:48:25Torneamayer: there is a radio addon for the ipod video which we support
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15:48:47amayerTorne: oh one of those things you plug in the bottom?
15:49:00Torneyeah, there's a remote that has a radio built in, made by apple
15:49:41Torneso we do have radio support compiled in for ipodvideo as a result
15:49:46amayerdoes it use the apple accessory protocal? or something different
15:49:57Torneno idea
15:49:59Torneread the code :)
15:50:30amayeri have enough code on my plate with the themesite and all. but i would be interested in something like that
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15:52:12Zagoramayer: ah, ok. I know very little of the theme site. it is a separate site which I have never touched :)
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15:53:58Torneamayer: hm?
15:54:01Torneinterested in what?
15:54:16Torneamayer: the radio remote is implemented, works already.
15:54:22Torneafaik there's nothing left to do :)
15:54:45Tornei mentioned it because its existence is why there are .fms for some themes for the ipodvideo/classic
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16:08:28amayerTorne: i know it exsits already. i would just like to look into how it works
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16:28:25scorcheamayer: it is still displaying errors?
16:29:23amayerscorch: i dont know. i didnt test anything.
16:29:32amayerscorche *
16:30:04amayeras long as you changed php.ini and restarted apache you should be alright
16:30:19scorcheoh, ok - it just seemed like the conversation about 2 hours ago implied that it was still showing errors
16:30:44scorcheheh, yeah - i know how this thing generally works ;)
16:30:59scorchebut there could very well be some oddness i implemented another time
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16:35:16pamauryI have found a new rk27xx target: archos vision 28
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16:55:28pixelmacopper: maybe you could help finding out. My idea after speaking with lebellium to try out was getting rid of theme specific fonts (the ones declared by the WPS/SBS, not user or system font)
16:56:03copperpixelma: you mean removing font specs in themes?
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16:56:42copperunfortunately, I reverted to the OF on the Classic because the USB problems were unbearable
16:57:05copperAs for my Fuze+, I use my own theme, which does specify a font, but I've had few problems with it.
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18:04:27funmancopper: lebellium: doees g#424 help ?
18:04:30fs-bluebotGerrit review #424 at : Shut valgrind up by Jonathan Gordon (changes/24/424/1)
18:05:13lebelliumoops sorry I was busy with other things. So I should try this patch with my devices on which USB doesn't work?
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18:14:14lebelliumfunman: without the patch Rayboradio and my theme don't break USB right now, so I would rather try on another target like Clip Zip or Fuzev1 for instance?
18:16:07funmanlebellium: well whatever target crashes with usb
18:16:24funmani only ever reproduced a problem on the sim and JdGordon_ says valgrind doesn't complain anymore
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18:17:23lebelliumI just need to do "git fetch git:// refs/changes/24/424/1 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD" right?
18:18:06Torneyou probably want to cherrypick it rather than check it out
18:18:21Torneif you use checkout it will move your entire tree to the version that the last version of the patch was made against
18:18:31Tornei.e. if they made it a week ago you will end up with a week old version of rockbox
18:18:47Tornecherrypicking it will apply it on top of whatever you already have
18:19:14lebelliumThat's what I wondered, thank you!
18:19:42Tornecheckout can be useful sometimes if it's a patch that's hard to rebase and you just want to try it as-is ;)
18:19:54Tornebut cherrypick is what you want most of the time.
18:41:21lebelliumokay I compiled a build for clip zip with this patch and it says 8350412-130320. Shouldn't it be written aa898d65fe like for the patch?
18:42:03lebelliumIea28601d *
18:43:00gevaertsThere are three hashes: your local tree hash, the remote tree hash (those two *might* be the same, but they don't have to be) and trhe gerrit commit id (which I'm not sure is a hash. It could be a uuid)
18:44:01lebelliumokay and how can I check the patch has been well applied?
18:45:04gevaertsThere are two ways: (a) faith, and (b) git log
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18:45:52gevaertsOh, and (c) other. Git has many ways to do things :)
18:46:13Tornelebellium: if it doesn't vocally complain about conflicts then it applied it just fine
18:46:45gevaertsHence (a) :)
18:46:54lebelliumok so I'll assume it applied fine but unfortunately USB still broken with my theme on clip zip :) I'll try on Fuzev1 now
18:47:01Tornelebellium: none of the hashes you have will match what gerrit says, beacuse the hash of a commit is based on the entire history before it
18:47:15Torneand so because you just cherry-picked that commit onto a different point in rockbox's history the hash is different
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18:47:38lebelliumok I see
18:47:43Torne(also cherrypicking it like that has changed the "committer" field of the commit to be you)
18:47:53Torne(which would change its hash anyway even if you applied it on the same version)
18:48:46lebelliumand did it also change my local files? I mean can I simply go to my rockbox directory and check if firmware/font.c has been updated like on gerrit?
18:49:03Tornethe end result on disk is the same as if you just applied a diff with patch
18:49:16Torneit's just *also* created a local commit in your repository
18:49:39Torne(and it resolves conflicts smarter than patch does)
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18:50:35lebelliumOk I checked and I have the latest file so I'm sure now the patch has been applied
18:59:25lebelliumwell for now USB works even without the patch on my Fuzev1 and C200v1 but I'm sure when I try again tomorrow that won't work again. I hate those random things.
19:00:49lebelliumfunman: what is sure is that the patch doesn't seem to help for Clip Zip
19:01:13funmanlebellium: ok, which theme did you use for zip?
19:02:32lebelliumI use my theme on any target, it's always the one which gives you the highest probability to break USB :D
19:03:02funmandoes removing the font help?
19:03:53lebelliumwhich font?
19:04:05funmanthe font specified in the theme
19:04:18funmanhm the sim infinite loops on "Unable to load font 2: '12-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt'"
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19:05:12lebelliumso you mean the font in cfg file, not the different fonts in SBS?
19:05:24funmani don't know
19:05:47funmani know next to nothing about themes and fonts .. that's why i harassed JdGordon_
19:06:12pixelmaI'd try the ones in the SBS first
19:07:04lebelliumreplace the font number by 0 or - in every viewport?
19:08:48pixelmayeah. But if you say that currently it works fine as is then I don't know if it's a reliable way to find out :\
19:10:00lebelliumon the Fuzev1 I got a data abord 30min ago and now it worked well 3 times
19:10:05lebelliumit's just too random
19:10:34pixelmahmm, got to go
19:12:37funmanJdGordon_: g#424 indeeds fix the valgrind complaint but doesn't seem to help on target :/
19:12:39fs-bluebotGerrit review #424 at : Shut valgrind up by Jonathan Gordon (changes/24/424/1)
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19:16:34lebelliumTorne: If I do "git pull −−rebase" now, it will still keep the patch ahead right? So to get rid of it should I do "git reset −−hard HEAD" ?
19:16:56Torneyes, and no, in that order
19:17:06Tornerebasing will rebase that patch as well as anythign you'be done.
19:17:11Torneresetting to HEAD will not get rid of it, though
19:17:16Tornebecause HEAD is your current local branch
19:17:18Tornewhich includes that patch, now
19:17:36Torneif you want to throw everything away and go back to exactly what is in rockbox's master branch, git reset −−hard origin/master
19:17:45Tornethat will delete any of *your* commits on this branch as well though
19:17:48Tornenot ust hte one you cherrypicked
19:18:57lebelliumokay thanks. And to come back to master branch without deleting my previous commits? (I don't need that now but maybe one day)
19:19:14funmangit reset −−hard HEAD^ to delete only the last commit
19:20:43lebelliumok thanks
19:20:56Torneyah, if it's the most recent thing
19:21:16Torneif not you can edit it out of history with git rebase -i instead which is.. not actaully that difficult, but is less trivial :)
19:45:20ikeboyI want to only update files that have changed but not the ones that I am editing , and git pull −−rebase gives 'Cannot pull with rebase: You have unstaged changes. Please commit or stash them.'
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20:43:45lbj_90Can I use a different filesystem type w/ rockbox? I have a gigabeat f20 that I've had problems getting rockbox to work and already reformatted it once −− thinking about using ext2/3/4
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20:52:23lbj_90Okay −− I'm having an issue, then. I placed the rockbox files where they needed to be and got a "system not found on hdd" error. I restored an original GBSYSTEM directory and now it only loads halfway. I'm currently redoing the manual install but I don't know why it owuldn't work yesterday.
20:53:29gevaertsI (very vaguely) seem to remember something about the flashed bootloader (i.e. the very first thing that runs) on the gigabeat F can be rather picky about formatting
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20:54:24lbj_90Agh. I reformatted it after it wouldn't work and now it hangs on booting the original firmware. It's still a vfat fs
20:55:20gevaertsI've had exactly that issue myself, but that's at least four years ago...
20:55:43gevaertsYou'll probably need but I'm not sure what else
20:56:28gevaertsIgnore the bit about the Original Software CD if you still have GBSYSTEM or if you only want rockbox
20:57:33gevaertsHmm, if you can still get at it over USB, you won't need those instructions obviously
20:57:50*gevaerts wishes he could remember what he did back then :(
20:58:07lbj_90Holy cow, after 5 or so failed attempts yesterday, I do the same procedure and it works! Even with a permissions error from mv'ing the file...
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20:59:04gevaertsAh, good!
20:59:29gevaertsI was going to suggest just formatting it again with possibly slightly different options :)
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21:00:34lbj_90I really didn't think it was a good idea to format it using cfdisk. Plus this player's been collecting dust for at 5-6 years.
21:00:53gevaertsHow did you reformat it, by the way?
21:01:42*gevaerts seems to be vaguely aware of formatting issues sometimes messing up bootloaders on the gigabeat F, the gigabeat S, and the ipod video 5.5G
21:02:15lbj_90used linux utility cfdisk, set it to a W95 FAT32. Then mkfs.vfat
21:02:40lbj_90mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX -l GIGABEAT I read somewhere the label is important to the flash firmware?
21:03:01gevaertsOh, the label might be the problem I had back then!
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21:03:25gevaertsAnyway, thanks! I'll try to look through irc logs later to look for patterns. These rare issues are annoying :)
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21:06:57lbj_90Hope it's at least a little bit helpful. I haven't looked into rockbox since I replaced my gigabeat with my phone. Now that I have a 8GB Nexus I needed this and I'm glad rockbox is still around and active.
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21:47:42lebelliumJust tried some color themes here on my H140, they are totally unusable because of the color/dark background pics. Fortunately I have the LCD remote to revert back easily to cabbiev2. I still think it's a very bad idea to display both color and grey-scales themes for grey-scales targets just because they share the same screen resolution
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22:25:53bluebrotherarm-linux-androideabi-gcc: /sources/android/cpufeatures/cpu-features.c: No such file or directory
22:26:00bluebrotherany idea what's wrong with my source tree?
22:26:09bluebrotherand / or SDK setup?
22:27:48*bluebrother goes reinstalling SDK / NDSK
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22:59:59JdGordonlebellium: give g#424 a try with your broken skins
23:00:01fs-bluebotGerrit review #424 at : Shut valgrind up by Jonathan Gordon (changes/24/424/1)
23:01:02lebelliumJdGordon: I did, check the logs
23:01:03gevaertsJdGordon: if that works, don't forget to change the commit message to "Shut lebellium up" ;)
23:02:01bluebrotherhmm. Still doesn't work?
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23:02:51lebelliumno, my clip zip won't connect in USB with my theme and with this patch or not, I even have the impression it's worse with the patch but I cannot guarantee it's true
23:03:59funmanJdGordon: the valgrind trace and the bug might be entirely separate
23:04:12funmanit would need fiddling with the theme until it works
23:04:21funmani.e. a bisection between a broken theme and cabbiev2
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23:05:22JdGordonoh goody
23:08:55funmanJdGordon: should g#424 be committed anyway?
23:08:57fs-bluebotGerrit review #424 at : Shut valgrind up by Jonathan Gordon (changes/24/424/1)
23:09:10JdGordonnot sure
23:09:42JdGordon(with a better commit message :p )
23:12:05bluebrotherah. I have to set ANDROID_NDK_PATH and ANDROID_SDK_PATH even when invoking make. Can't remember this to be required in the past ...
23:13:15funmanbluebrother: hm they should go in Makefile
23:24:02bluebrotherfunman: they don't. The full path to the compiler is added to the Makefile, but other places use them :o
23:24:18bluebrotherit's a bit incovenient, but if you're aware of that it's not a real problem.
23:24:31bluebrotherstill took me an hour :(
23:26:15bluebrother.describe d798c721
23:26:16fs-bluebotandroid: Update to SDK r16 and ndk r8d. by Thomas Martitz (from Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:29:29 +0000)
23:26:40bluebrotherthat change started using ANDROID_NDK_PATH during compile.
23:27:16bluebrotheranyway, out for tonight
23:28:04funmanbluebrother: it was a suggestion ^_^
23:28:34funmanANDROID*_PATH should be exported by the Makefile so you onyl need to set them at configure
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