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#rockbox log for 2013-04-04

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00:04:13pamaurywodz: maybe we should try to drive it in rda mode
00:06:29bertrikwodz: I'd have to look up the tea mode again, it was i2c right, or does it also support an alternate protocol?
00:06:31wodzpamaury: OF seems to use tea compat mode
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00:06:58bertrikperhaps something's wrong in the timing somewhere, too fast, not enough setup or hold
00:07:20pamaurythen either this is a i2c specific problem (timing ?) or it's an hardware one, like missing init
00:07:26wodzthat was my idea also, tried to lower i2c freq without any change
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00:08:54bertrikit doesn't do clock stretching or something like that, does it?
00:09:50bertrikor perhaps something's wrong with i2c pull ups (like not present, and relying on built-in pull-up of the SoC)
00:10:34bertrikor insufficient drive strength, just guessing
00:10:43bertrikthis is bit-banged i2c, right?
00:11:01pamaurybertrik: no, it's hw
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00:13:11wodzyeah, OF definitely uses tea mode
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00:17:24wodzIf I understand correctly selection between rda mode and tea mode is by i2c slave address only - 0xc0 tea mode, 0x20 rda mode
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00:35:54wodzhmm, it seems the middle readback is the correct one
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01:17:25[Saint]AlexP: godzirra: FWIW - Rockbox does support ratings - but from what I understand, it is some weird proprietary system.
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01:17:46[Saint]We don't support editing metadata tags - so, its some oddd Rockbox only thing.
01:18:34[Saint]If you have ratings in your tags - you can view/group them with a custom database query, but that'll be entirely seperate to Rockbox's rating system.
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01:33:54tadpoleIs there any firmware for iPod nano touch 8g?
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02:13:44tadpoleWhat software on linux can I use instead of itunes to manage an 8g iPod nano touch?
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02:24:10evilnicktadpole: No idea, but that's not a Rockbox question so doesn't belong here
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02:56:07tadpoleIt does because I asked here asshole.
02:56:13tadpoleevilnick ^
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11:32:18pixelma[Saint]: in case you have some time to spare for a theming issue... would you have a look at this test.wps I pasted here: http://pastebin.com/fD248t85 and try to work out why it's glitching (bug in the theme engine?) or find a workaround? Or maybe there's another way to achieve what I want, which is having a "submenu" appear on a "button" press and only make it disappear when something was set without any automatic timing out. This test.wps only
11:32:18pixelmashows the principle, it's - very basic...
11:33:55wodzpamaury: my issue with radio chip has origin in i2c transfers failing randomly
11:34:42pamaurydo you know how to solve it ?
11:36:26wodzpamaury: not yet
11:37:20wodzpamaury: I think I must look at the transmission with scope/logic analyzer to see if this is hw issue
11:39:44pamaurydid you do some reverse engineering to see if you need to toggle a pin ?
11:46:22wodzyes, It doesn't seem to be necessary
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11:58:36mortaliswodz: there is one more audiophile rk27xx DAP - hifi ma9 ( http://en.hifi-et.com/ ) and manufacture made rockbox port for it! They had problems with codec initialization (look at rockbox_patch_for_ma9.rar), but it was solved by slowing down i2c speed (look at rkb_0314.rar)
11:58:48mortalissource code https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1nI4rgGNPbtMGRKdUZ1V3pfX1E&usp=sharing
11:59:51mortaliscode looks ugly, needs a lot of refactoring and cleanup, I'll try to clean it on this weekend
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12:10:23pamaurythis is a good news !
12:18:19pamaurymortalis: is the quality much higher with this dap at least ?
12:25:28mortalispamaury: you mean sound quality? Looks like it should be comparable with HM-801 and iBasso DX100, but didn't have it and never listened.
12:28:04wodzmortalis: I tried lowering i2c freq to 200kHz last time I played with fm without any difference
12:29:31wodzIts amusing they didn't bother to contribute their changes back
12:33:10pamauryit would be interesting to integrae those changes and then notify them we officialy support it !
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12:34:42wodzpamaury: without device to test I am sceptical
12:34:56pamaurysure, one need to get the device, if it's not too expensive
12:35:55wodzI bet it is
12:36:06mortalis~830$
12:36:43wodzhuh, they run it at 200MHz all the time
12:36:52pamaury:-o
12:37:43mortalis"The CPU frequency is fixed to 200MHz in rockbox,because some audio files may hear more nosie when CPU frequecny is low.
12:37:43mortalisOr it may caused by the tolerance of voltage mesurement." (c)
12:39:15wodzThe second statement is particularly interesting
12:41:07mortalisi have contacts with russian distributor and he could do tests for us
12:43:08wodzthats something
12:50:13wodzhuh, my own comment about i2c divisor is wrong
12:53:13wodzma9 firmware sets i2c freq to 156.25kHz
12:54:10wodzI need to scope scl line to be sure!
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13:13:28wodzpamaury: I know we have some generic bit-bang i2c implementation and you used it. How to implement i2c using this?
13:14:08pamaurywodz: have a look at fmradio-i2c-fuzeplus.c
13:14:31pamaurywodz: you include generic_i2c.h, implement functions to drive the lines and register a i2c node
13:15:17wodzok. I'll try this to see if this changes something
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13:26:44gshrikanthi! Is Rockbox participating in GSoC this time around?
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13:27:17wodzgshrikant: AFAIK yes
13:28:14gshrikantThat is good news. :)
13:28:33gevaertsWe've applied, yes
13:28:56gevaertsWe'll know if we're in on the 8th
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13:29:28gshrikantI didn't see the app for 2012 so I was wondering about the status this time around. Hope all goes well :)
13:29:56gevaertsWe'll see
13:30:29gevaertsIt's a fairly competitive thing, with more than twice as many organisations applying as there are slots
13:31:08gevaertsAnd we're probably not really the new and coming exciting place where the future is made any more :)
13:34:12gshrikantIn any case, it is one of the few organizations with embedded-dev projects. Not many of them have hardware projects in GSoC, AFAIK.
13:35:10gshrikantAs an electrical engg major that is what drew me to it :-)
13:37:11gevaertsTrue. There are a few others though
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13:40:03gshrikantYes. Looking to apply this time around. Hope to make it :)
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15:05:11gshrikantoops! sorry
15:05:15redhothah!
15:05:29redhotyou revealed yourself!
15:05:53gshrikantI did?
15:05:57gshrikantTo be what? :)
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15:08:07wodzits bot I guess
15:09:05gshrikantoh!
15:10:35wodzgshrikant: In which particular area are interested to work during gsoc?
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15:12:31gshrikantI'm thinking of audio codecs.
15:12:49gshrikantoptimization of the codecs, I mean.
15:13:18wodzDo you have any particular target in mind?
15:13:46gshrikantI read about codecs when we did DSP last term for a course-related project. Never got a chance to work with a full-fledged system though :-(
15:14:17wodzgshrikant: I was asking about processor family
15:14:22gshrikantYes, I have worked on ARM7TDMI for a different project.
15:15:01gshrikantSo, I am fairly acquainted with it. Think I'll go with it.
15:15:19wodzour codecs are pretty much optimized for armv4
15:15:21gshrikantYes, sorry. I know. I got lost typing.
15:16:25gevaertsWell, there's opus...
15:16:37wodzright
15:17:03gshrikantI don't have a very good familiarity with other processor families. I'll be working on a MIPS-related project soon, though.
15:17:07gevaertsAnd I'm not sure if all codecs are equally optimised
15:17:29gevaertsI'd say opus is in pretty high demand though, so opus/arm would certainly be a useful project
15:18:00wodzgshrikant: saratoga, n1s and bushel are our main codec guys
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15:18:34gshrikantright.
15:18:39gevaertsthere's also derf for opus, who may not know as much about rockbox, but he does know opus :)
15:18:53gshrikant:-)
15:19:38gshrikantI figure I have a quite a lot of catching up to do. I'll head for the docs soon enough as my exams are over.
15:20:17gevaertsI'd suggest starting now, so you build up some momentum, so you'd keep going even if google decides not to include us ;)
15:21:40gshrikantSure. :)
15:22:25gshrikantGetting a refresher on codecs tops that list..
15:29:03pamauryyeah ! lcd working on ZEN V with rockbox :)
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16:09:29amayerpamaury: awesome!
16:10:07pamauryagain creative put a 132x132 lcd but used it as a 128x128, they really don't like to use entire lcds...
16:10:35gevaertsThey just like having some spare pixels in case one in the middle goes bad
16:13:27pamaury^^
16:13:47pamauryit seems the lcd is slow as hell in pio mode currently
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16:42:17pamaurydo we have a function to the number of '1' in an integer ?
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16:43:10Zagorpamaury: in what base?
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16:43:47pamauryfor example for 0b1101=13 it would be 3
16:44:14Zagorno. the best way is cpu-specific. and it's not used very often.
16:44:33pamauryok
16:44:38Zagorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_weight
16:45:22funman__builtin_popcount() of gcc ?
16:45:59Zagorfunman: oh, I didn't know of that. neat.
16:46:06pamaurysure, I was wondering if we had a define for it or something less compiler specific
16:46:12pamauryI was about to use that otherwise
16:46:23Zagorwe are pretty gcc specific anyway :)
16:46:37funmani don't remember which version introduced it though
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16:47:57pamaurysurprising, there isn't even a single call of it in our codebase
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16:50:41Zagorpamaury: that's because it's not terribly useful :)
16:50:51Zagorwhat do you want it for?
16:53:26pamauryfor the lcd controller for the imx233, a bit long to explain
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19:22:00pamaurydoes it make sense to control oled "contrast" as backlight ? because that's what it does in practice
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19:43:36funmanimo yes, isn't it what we do on the clip ?
19:45:23bertrikyes, IIRC clip currently has no "backlight brightness" control, but only contrast control. It would make sense to present this to the user as backlight brightness
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19:47:39bertrikmy clip v1 with a (rather old rockbox) indeed has contrast but no backlight brightness setting
19:49:31bertrikbacklight runs in its own thread, right? and lcd updates are done from whatever thread calls lcd_update, right?
19:50:50bertrikas long as there is no sleep/wait/other blocking function in the lcd driver, we can get away without any contention protection between backlight updates and framebuffer updates
19:51:03bertrikI think
19:52:23bertrikfixing this brightness vs contrast thing was on my long-term mental TODO list :)
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20:01:17AlexP[Saint]: Yes, that's what I thought (/said) :)
20:02:47AlexPbluebrother: ta, good to know. I never noticed that (as I very rarely look at the online version :) )
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20:10:50wodzhmm, I removed timeouts in waits for ACK (i2c-rk27xx.c). Now transfers to internal codec are ok while communication with fm chip hangs early (It doesn't enter FM screen)
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20:11:17wodzI reduced scl freq to 156kHz and this makes no change
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20:13:46bertrikI'd reduce it below 100 kHz to be really sure, or does the fm tuner datasheet say it's fine up to 400 kHz?
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20:13:58bertrikAlso, what speed does the OF use?
20:14:23wodzDS says 400kHz is fine, OF uses 200kHz
20:14:32bertrikok
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20:44:56saratogagshrikant: (for the logs and anyone else reading this) if you're interested in a codec project you should look at the codecs well before you apply, we tend to accept applicants who have already done at least a little with the code so that we know they're capable of succeeding
20:45:01saratogawe can suggest stuff for you to look at
20:45:09saratogaif you don't already have a project in mind
20:46:13wodzhmm, scl and sda seems to be properly pulled up
20:46:21wodzthis is weird
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21:28:46wodzWhat does it mean 'arbitration lost' in i2c context?
21:29:20bertrikthe controller thinks there's another master on the bus IIRC
21:31:29bertrikhttp://www.esacademy.com/en/library/technical-articles-and-documents/miscellaneous/i2c-bus/general-introduction/bus-arbitration.html
21:31:54bertrikit suggests it can also be caused by some other device keeping a line low, while the master wants to make it high
21:32:20wodzOn failing write i2c controller sets 'arbitration lost' flag in interrupt register. I don't clear this flag so this most probably kills everything else
21:33:40bertrikpossibly
21:34:43bertrikit could mean the i2c master and the i2c slave are out of sync somehow, like the slave still thinks it should transmit an ack while the master wants to start a new exchange
21:36:30wodzI really really need to look what is on the bus actually :-/
21:37:10bertrikyeah, can you reach SDA and SCL?
21:37:19wodzyes
21:37:43bertrikmaybe the timing is off because you use a different clocking scheme than the OF, still just guessing
21:37:43wodzI just need to do this secretly while at work :-)
21:38:07wodzdon't think so, I tried with exactly the same clock settings as OF
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21:46:10kugelbertrik: I seem to remember that the clip has a backlight brightness setting
21:47:15bertrikI can't find it on target, only contrast
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21:50:46kugelmisremembering probably
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22:06:21JordiGHI don't need any of those .SYS files under the device's root, do I?
22:06:31JordiGHNor version.sdk?
22:06:54funmanno, the OF will recreate them though
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22:55:37lebelliumI can't do git pull −−rebase because I have unmerged files (apps/gui/list.c). How can I get rid of that? (I don't need to merge that file)
22:56:14JordiGHgit reset −−hard HEAD, iirc.
22:56:19JordiGHDon't trust me, though.
22:56:27JordiGHgit reset can be a destructive operation.
22:58:37lebelliumseems to be the good solution, thanks
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23:00:16JordiGHI always forget which one of the resets I want.
23:00:29JordiGHThere is −−soft −−hard −−mixed −−merge −−keep and one more I always forget.
23:00:43gevaerts−−rm-rf :)
23:00:59JordiGHI work very hard to avoid git.
23:02:37bluebrothergit checkout -f to drop your local changes
23:03:06*JordiGH is afraid of "-f".
23:03:19JordiGHBut −−hard can be equally destructive.
23:03:45JordiGHWhat's the default for checkout, HEAD?
23:04:16bluebrotherafaiu yes
23:04:31bluebrotherthe manpage states "This is used to throw away local changes." for checkout -f
23:05:23bluebrotheryou could also stash your local changes, then pull, then drop the stash :)
23:06:14bluebrotherslightly unnecessarily complicated though :D
23:07:28JordiGH.... git....
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23:07:43JordiGHAnyways, I don't need any of those files to boot, right?
23:07:54gevaertsno
23:08:03JordiGHWhy are they there? What are they?
23:08:31gevaertsOF stuff, not sure what they do
23:08:39gevaertsPossibly the OF's database?
23:09:06JordiGHfile(1) has no clue what they are.
23:09:13JordiGHDID.bin
23:10:08JordiGHWhatever, worse comes to worse, I spend another 30 CAD to get another awesome music player.
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