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05:01:00br87fellow channel members, I have so many unanswered questions :)
05:07:04scorche`well, ask them then ;)
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06:28:36Miri guess br87 doesnt want his/her questions answered.
06:38:52zambonii need a boyfriend, any volunteers?
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13:14:34lukeyHi folks - Been using the Toshiba F60 port of Rockbox for many years
13:15:01lukeyBut now the interface is running slow and some folders just go back to the main menu
13:15:09lukeyI wonder if my device is faulty?
13:16:13lukeyActually I've got circular directories going on by the looks of it.
13:16:15gevaertsAs a first step, I'd try checking the filesystem for corruption
13:16:55lukeygevaerts: ok I will try this but I use linux - do you know what tool I'd need to use?
13:17:25lukeygevaerts: thanks, now checking
13:20:12lukeythere was a couple of " Start does point to root directory. Deleting dir."
13:20:28lukeyI've rebooted the device but the directories are still there
13:20:39lukey(and circular)
13:21:09lukeyI should probably reformat
13:22:45gevaertsThe fsck.vfat manpage says "If -a and -r are absent, the filesystem is only checked, but not repaired"
13:22:55gevaertsSo possibly that's the issue now
13:23:12lukeyrtfm in other words lol
13:23:49gevaertsI've never really understood that. Other fscks just ask :)
13:24:15gevaertsSo I also keep forgetting
13:24:30lukeyah this time it said "performing changes"
13:25:42lukeyOh dear: loading firmware ... File not found
13:26:14lukeyI think now I will reinstall rockbox
13:26:29*gevaerts nods
13:27:02lukeywierd, my device id has changed too
13:28:44lukeyStill doesn't load firmware, let me do a battery reset
13:29:18lukeyshould i reinstall bootloadfer also?
13:29:58lukeyi will reinstall bootloader
13:30:44lukeyoh it says "a fireware file is already present on player"
13:31:03*lukey wonders if there is anything else he could be doing before he does a reformat...
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13:32:05lukeyuninstalling bootloader
13:32:24lukeyuninstalling rockbox
13:32:57lukeynow Gigabeat says "NO SYSTEM FOUND ON HDD" so that's been uninstalled
13:36:18lukeywell the bootloader is there but it's still saying file not found
13:36:41gevaertsRight. At this point, I'd reformat I think
13:37:38lukeyHmm, I just got an ATA Error -11 when I unplugged the USB cable
13:37:42lukeynot seen that before
13:38:18gevaertsI've seen that a few times
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13:38:43lukeyNow doing an: mkfs.vfat /dev/sdd1
13:39:05lukey(Where /dev/sdd1 is my gigabeat)
13:39:33gevaertsI believe it means rockbox did an ATA reset (to get the disk back from the USB chip, in this case), and the disk is a tiny bit slower to respond than rockbox expects
13:39:38gevaertsyes, looks right
13:41:06lukeyIt's just I saw a post which indicated "Special mkfs.vat options"
13:42:14gevaertsThe S is different
13:44:20lukeyI'm doing all this through the cradle
13:45:01lukeyBut I will take it off the cradle now because it's saying No System Found on HDD
13:45:37lukeyRight I've got an empty 60GB Volume
13:45:49gevaertsDid you reinstall the GBSYSTEM files?
13:46:02lukeyNow doing it
13:46:44lukeyI'm using the RockBox utility
13:47:02lukeyand it is saying "Installing Rockbox Bootloader... Error accessing output folder"
13:47:30gevaertsIIRC Rockbox Utility expects the original firmware files to be there.
13:48:01gevaertsGet the "dummy GBSYSTEM" zip file from and unpack it first
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13:53:46lukeyI've done this but I fear this hard-drive's had it
13:53:52lukeyFAT-fs (sdd1): Directory bread(block 57253) failed
13:54:43gevaertsThat doesn't sound good
13:55:20gevaertsIf you like the thing, they're not *that* hard to take apart to replace the disk
13:55:45lukeyNot sure a reliable place to get this tiny drives in the UK
13:58:28*gevaerts can't really help there
13:59:26lukeyWonder if it is just some bad sectors
13:59:34lukeyMight be possible to remap them
14:00:08lukeythough if it is in the bootloader area then maybe not
14:01:29gevaertsYou can try, but modern drives do sector remapping internally to a bunch of spares, so as soon as you start actually seeing them, the drive is usually *really* on its way out
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14:03:12lukeyNevertheless you've been exceptionally helpful in helping me to diagnose the problem
14:05:11lukeyI'm not sure what modern and available alternatives to the GIGABEAT are
14:05:32lukeyI do have a bit of an OGG library
14:05:57Triffid_Huntersomeone here was telling me the other day that gigabeat are still in a league of their own
14:06:23lukeyTriffid_Hunter: darn...
14:06:54Triffid_Hunterlukey: I bought a sansa clip+ recently, am pretty happy with it. I was shopping for 1) stable rockbox 2) microSD slot 3) decent DAC and that one showed up
14:07:07Triffid_Hunteralso has microphone and FM radio as added bonuses
14:07:14lukeyTriffid_Hunter: Are they easy to get hold of?
14:07:24Triffid_Hunterlukey: ebay, $30
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14:08:44lukeybrilliant I'll keep it in mind
14:08:52lukeythanks all for now I better dash
14:08:59lukeylive long and prosper
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14:15:43*bluebrother would try to use some CF adapter to replace the HDD
14:15:59bluebrotheralso, IIRC you don't need the OF being present on the Gigabeat F.
14:16:11bluebrother(for Rockbox Utility to install the bootloader)
14:17:50gevaertsDoes it install those dummy files?
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15:53:13pamaurybr87: hi, ask your question if you have any
15:55:11br87I have many questions, just not sure if this is the *right place* for them... First one would be: How do I combine all my remotes into 1? (AVR-1913, WT50 TV, Bluray, Cable) ? Can I use one of those Harmony remotes to control all? :D
15:59:48soapbr87, that does not seem to be a Rockbox-related question...
15:59:50x56#rockbox-community might be a better choice
16:00:35gevaertsWell, #rockbox-community isn't *wrong* for it, but it's also not really meant as a general help channel
16:01:06br87that's the thing... I couldn't find a "general htpc/audio/video" channel..
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16:02:32soap#hydrogenaudio even
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16:12:45bluebrothergevaerts: ah right, there are more files than the firmware image on the F. No, it doesn't do that.
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16:26:58mirogI have installed 240GB HDD in iRiver H10. Formatted in FAT32, I could see it under W7 as 240GB HDD. When installed inside H10 - format was not recognized, HDD was recognized as 128GB and I had to format it again. It works now, but all it seems that there is limitation of HDD capacity to 128GB. Or I did something wrong?
16:31:28gevaertsmirog: hard to say. On the H10, first a flashed bootloader runs (which we don't touch), which loads the rockbox bootloader from disk, which then loads the main rockbox binary
16:31:44bluebrothermight be a similar issue than
16:32:03bluebrotheri.e. you might need to add a second partition for the remainder of the disk
16:32:13bluebrotherthough this is just guessing on my side :)
16:32:15gevaertsYes, that should definitely work
16:32:44gevaertsIf it's the in-flash bootloader that fails, that's going to be the only practical solution
16:33:17gevaertsIf it's the rockbox bootloader that fails, a newer one might help. I think the released H10 bootloader is from before the ATA48 changes
16:33:39gevaertsOf course, I have no idea if a bootloader built from current source actually works at all...
16:34:41bluebrotherhmm, would be interesting to try this. The only thing needed would be some H10 to 2.5" PATA adapter
16:35:07gevaertsDo we have multi-volume enabled on the H10?
16:35:24*gevaerts suspects we might not
16:35:25bluebrotherno idea, I guess not
16:36:45gevaertsIf the problem is the flash code, I'd say we probably should. These things have a reasonable amount of RAM so the cost is negligible, and large disks are getting quite common
16:37:48*bluebrother agrees
16:38:35gevaertsIn fact, is there a good reason not to enable multivolume on anything with say 8M or more?
16:40:18n1siirc some targets with hw usb can't handle too large disks over usb so it wouldn't be very usefull there
16:43:16gevaertsWe're talking about 2.7K RAM
16:43:53n1sthen i guess it matters very little
16:44:04gevaertsHD devices are all 16MB or more I think
16:44:44gevaertsWell, with one exception :)
16:44:56gevaertsOne family of exceptions, anyway
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17:30:06miroggevaerts: if 2 partitions would help - i should reformat HDD to 240GB again and then divide into 2 equal partitions. Problem is that i can't do that 'cause W7 doesn't see HDD formatted under H10. Is there any solution to make the disk "like new one"?
17:31:28gevaertsHow did you format it the first time?
17:38:55mirogusing guiformat.exe - it formats in FAT32 only. And a sort of adapter PATA-USB.
17:39:21gevaertsI expect you'll have to use that adapter again
17:43:27mirogAs I told: after formatting in H10 - when I take the HDD out and connect it with this adapter - W7 doesn't see the drive at all :)
17:43:57gevaertsAre you sure the adapter can handle 128GB+ drives?
17:44:17*gevaerts isn't sure here
17:44:30gevaertsYou probably need help from someone who understands windows
17:45:40mirogYes. I did formatting with this adapter to 240GB and it was OK with W7. Problem started when I put preformatted HDD into H10.
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18:43:14miroggevaerts: is it possible to compile a build for H10 with support for HDD >137GB (LBA48)? or with multivolume support?
18:45:07gevaertsI can do a quick build, yes
18:46:32gevaertsmirog: you now have a 128GB partition on it, right?
18:48:40mirogyes, formatted under H10 connected to PC in USB mode
18:49:24gevaertsSo if we're lucky, if you install this build, you should be able to connect it while running rockbox and just add a partition
18:50:45gevaertsthat's revision fd6ab02 plus
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18:57:55mirogI'm going to try this asap. Is it enough to replace rockbox.mi4?
18:58:54gevaertsIf you're already running exactly fd6ab02, probably.
18:59:02gevaertsIt's safest to replace the lot though
19:02:36mirogHave to. I run 8ef8ea2.
19:04:41miroggevaerts: thanks much, anyway - I appreciate your help :) I will report when done
19:07:10gevaertsGood luck!
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19:17:26TeruFSXhas iPod accessory support improved since 3.10?
19:18:08mirogAfter replacing (I'm lazy, you know) files it works fine - i.e. rockbox itself is functioning. I see slightly different system info - and there it is: HD1 - not present :( I see I need to find out how to make this second partition. Unfortunately W7 sees only 128GB HDD.
19:18:30TeruFSXi have a Sony ICF-C05iP that Rockbox does not even recognize, though it works fine under the OF
19:19:31AlexPTeruFSX: I don't think anyone has done anything with it, no
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19:21:57gevaertsmirog: I seem to remember about windows being silly and not wanting to see more than one partition on devices that identify themselves as removable
19:22:37gevaertsLet me make another build for you that doesn't set that
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19:23:47gevaertsSame base revision, the full diff is now
19:24:03gevaertsThis time, rockbox.mi4 is really all you need to replace
19:24:32gevaertsmirog: there will be only one partition on it still, until you run a partitioning tool...
19:24:44*gevaerts can't really help with those
19:25:07gevaertsYou'll need to add a second partition and format that as well
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19:26:22kugeldid we drop hwcodec already?
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21:43:03kugelthis feels like wasted time
21:43:16kugeladapting splitedit.rock to my lcd rework
21:45:14pamaurywodz: pong
21:46:19wodzpamaury: have you played with test drivers for archos 28 vision?
21:46:59pamaurynot yet, I went back to paris yesterday, now I'm away for the week-end but I took the archos with me so maybe i'll be able to try it tomorrow
21:50:40AlexPer, oops
21:50:41pamaurywodz: I need to upload the code in DFU mode I guess
21:51:27wodzpamaury: thats the easiest solution.
21:54:50wodzpamaury, others: Do we use touch pressure anyhow?
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22:24:36gevaertsmirog: let's keep support issues here, not in private conversation
22:28:20miroggevaerts: right, sorry, I'm not familiar wit IRC soft.
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22:30:35gevaertsmirog: I'm not fully certain what works and what doesn't. IIUC you can now see the full 240GB on windows (in two partitions), but you only see one partition in rockbox?
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22:34:36mirogYou made the point: I now have two partitions under W7 (HDD through PATA-USB adapter) - each less than 128GB, formatted in FAT32
22:35:42mirogBut when I put HDD into H10 - it reports 128GB disk
22:38:49gevaertsmirog: Can you go to System -> Debug -> View disk info?
22:39:05gevaertsActually no
22:39:17gevaertsSystem->Debug->View Partitions
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22:43:05mirogI see all zeros: P0-P3: S0 and T0: 0MB
22:43:33mirogAnd what should be seen?
22:44:34gevaertsS is the start offset, T is the type
22:44:44gevaertsAll zeros is definitely not expected
22:45:09mirogSo I thought :(
22:46:56*gevaerts doesn't really understand this
22:47:25gevaertsIf Windows sees 240GB over USB while rockbox is running, it means rockbox sees a 240GB disk just fine
22:48:00gevaertsWhat I *don't* get is how if "View Partitions" sees all zeros, rockbox boots at all
22:49:14mirogNo, you've got me wrong. W7 sees 240GB while HDD is connected via PATA-USB adapter - HDD is outside H10 then.
22:49:46gevaertsah, ok
22:53:07gevaertsIf the type for P0 is not B or C, rockbox shouldn't boot at all
22:54:30gevaertsmirog: Can you check if you're running the right build? What version string do you see in system->rockbox info?
22:57:21gevaertsOK. That's *not* the build I gave you
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22:57:56gevaertsWith that one, both rockbox and windows will only show the first partition
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22:58:53mirogYes I see. I must have done something wrong. It's late now but I'm going to repeat all procedure tomorrow.
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22:59:48mirogIf you can give me somem more support tomorrow - I'll be delighted :)
23:00:02gevaertsIf I'm around at the right time, sure
23:00:11gevaertsIf not, someone else will help out
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23:17:43pamaurywodz (logs): i'm not aware of any pressure sensor handling in our code
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