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#rockbox log for 2013-04-29

00:00:19 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
00:01:43Cultistwith rockbox on an ipod classic, Amarok sees it as an ipod but can't tell what kind it is, and so won't write to it
00:01:54Cultistis there a way to force rockbox to look like a generic media device?
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00:07:36*jhMikeS wonders if the right address is even being shown. disk_partinfo looks correct with the correct table address (in .elf)
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00:12:59amayerCultist: i usually just write to in manually. I dont have much experience with Amarok
00:19:05[Saint] amarok trying to be "smart" and just using the UID?
00:19:45[Saint]Simple test if you can compile. Steal a UID from a generic removable disk. Repeat.
00:19:56jhMikeSThere's also the matter of the eabi spec saying stacks have to align to 8 bytes boundaries and we're not doing that
00:20:58[Saint]Hmmmmm, an option for the user to swap in their own UID would really be a fine thing.
00:21:13[Saint]Ideally, though, Rockbox would have their own.
00:21:38amayer[Saint], havent we talked about that a couple of times before?
00:22:27[Saint]Oh - sure, but, I've never actually considered /doing/ anything about it, as I flat out don't care :)
00:22:44amayerhaha ok
00:23:20[Saint]It should be fairly trivial to allow the user to swap between two predefined ids. Allowing the user to input one gets a little trickier, at least for me.
00:23:57[Saint]I've been bored lately, I'll be nosey.
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00:29:25bertrikjhMikeS: let's do that alignment thing then! :)
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00:31:54funmanbertrik: jhMikeS: otoh we shouldn't link any code that is dependent on that requirement
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00:33:19jhMikeSfunman: I don't know, I never read any exceptions about it. What sort of code requires it?
00:35:08jhMikeS....and...I get totally different addresses in the .map than is what's reported
00:36:31jhMikeSthe .bin looks right but my .map just doesn't match exactly
00:37:32jhMikeSand disk_partinfo shouldn't be able to crash anything, expect upon return
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00:40:05funmanjhMikeS: well, for example any code in a library for which you don't have source code. it might expect to be called with aligned stack
00:40:40funmansince we have source code for everything we know what requires it: nothing (except maybe some assembly routines?)
00:42:29jhMikeSWill the compiler ever generate code with that assumption?
00:44:02jhMikeStweaking thread.c to do it just to be sure in all cases would be simple enough
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00:45:33funmani guess we'll notice when we upgrade our gcc ;)
00:45:54funmanit would be intereting to see binsize/codec speed benches with gcc 4.8
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00:58:57bertrikI'm no compiler/linker expert, but I think we shouldn't try to second guess what the compiler/linker does or needs w.r.t. alignment
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01:02:15jhMikeSbertrik: It will align objects according to natural alignments but it won't guarantee alignment in a byte array access as a word, for instance
01:04:38jhMikeSOne thing's for sure, it's not crashing where the reports say it is
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01:06:21jhMikeSbluebrother said "disk_unmount" and the FS task say "disk_partinfo" (looks like nonsense)
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01:09:56[Saint]so - this is more seemingly random corruption?
01:10:00[Saint]...yay :)
01:10:45[Saint]I'm not sure we need any more of that, be a dear and fix it, k jhMikeS? :)
01:10:50[Saint]There's a good boy.
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01:12:48jhMikeSwell, wtf, only one target is being jerky?
01:13:20[Saint]Apparently so.
01:13:42[Saint]I'll see if I have all the bits required to put together a mini2g that at least boots and have a play.
01:14:01[Saint]I have several that are out of commission presently.
01:14:06jhMikeSbe a dear and godspeed :)
01:15:21jhMikeSonly if I knew where it was really crashing, since only debug screen and usb connect call any of the named routines and only bootup was said to be sufficient
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01:16:00[Saint]all I know is rolo == good, bootloader == bad - apparently.
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01:17:03jhMikeSwait, do they mean rolo for an earlier build without libfixedpoint or actually roloing a libfixedpoint build?
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01:21:37[Saint]Ooooh, hmmm - dunno.
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04:02:33[Saint]What would be the absolute minimum RAM required for compiling Rockbox?
04:02:49[Saint]You think I could get away with ~100MB and no swap?
04:03:39[Saint]I /could/ swap - but I would prefer not to for non-sane reasons.
04:04:49[Saint](contemplating an Arch linux based build client running entirely from RAM save for the build/source directories.)
04:06:10[Saint]+on a raspberry pi, So I have 512MB - <Arch_image_size>+<GPU_mem_split>, which works out to about 400MB.
04:07:55[Saint]source/build dir will live on networked storage elsewhere.
04:18:20JdGordonwhat the fuck is the poin
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04:20:28[Saint] really have to ask? :)
04:21:27[Saint]There seems to be a competition revolving around the most useful, yet most cripplingly shitty build client - I think I can win with this ;)
04:22:55[Saint]I can't /quite/ fit all the toolchains on my iPod Touch, so I'm going with the raspi instead.
04:23:45[Saint]Running the OS mostly in RAM because the sdcard is a really massive bottleneck and I can't be arsed splurging for another backflip sdcard.
04:25:12[Saint] should know better than to assume there's sane reasoning behind my experiments.
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06:23:13soapNokia N810?
06:23:25soapstrife89 has mine.
06:23:30soapHe should get on it.
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08:42:37*[Saint] would actually like to see playlist guy try and reverse the charges.
08:43:55[Saint]I believe it has: A - been too long a time, and B: - ...there's absolutely no reason to do so. There's no fraud, there has been no abuse - you don't get to just decide you donated in haste a few weeks down the track and that you want your money back.
08:44:18bluebrother[Saint]: we should offer him a refund :)
08:44:31[Saint]Though, hilariously, if it were possible - most banks would charge him more to reverse the charges than was likely donated :)
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08:45:33[Saint]bluebrother: Actually, I was going to be a smart-ass and comment on that thread offering him a full refund of the purchase price due to his obvious lack of satisfactio. :)
08:45:39[Saint]...but, I thought I'd better not.
08:46:07[Saint]I /want/ to, but, ...yeah, better not. ;)
08:46:14bluebrotherwell, he decided that I'm the asshole in that thread, so that position is already taken ;-)
08:47:16[Saint]I have no idea why he singled you out - perhaps I was too transparent, but one of my comments basically boiled down to "Everyone else seems to manage it just fine, have you considered the fact you may be constantly fucking shit up?"
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08:48:05[Saint]He *really* decided he didn't like you, though.
08:48:17bluebrotherwell, early in that thread I said "no need to use annoying colors", so I guess he's still pissed by that
08:48:36bluebrotherI haven't said "no need to use annoying fonts" yet, but that's almost as annoying as his stupid colors
08:48:44[Saint]How arrogant of you!
08:48:47bluebrotherwe really should trim down the formatting options in the forums
08:48:53bluebrotheronly provide bold and italic
08:48:54*[Saint] nods
08:49:16bluebrotherthe funny thing is that usually these options are not a problem at all.
08:49:22bluebrotherbut problematic users seem to like them
08:49:35bluebrotherI'm also wondering if he really has problems or is only trying to troll us
08:49:44[Saint]Do we strip ,04color formatting in here?
08:49:49[Saint]Ooooh, apparently not.
08:49:58Zagorsilently filter posts with color tags?
08:50:05[Saint]Heh :)
08:50:09bluebrotherwe did for a while, but this also makes it impossible for the bot to use them :)
08:50:21[Saint]Ahhhhhhhh, right.
08:51:43JdGordonI don't want to read that playlist forum thread do I?
08:52:00bluebrotherdepends on how bored you are :)
08:52:03[Saint]Not if you dislike douchebags.
08:52:23*bluebrother still wonders how that "bluebuut" should insult him
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08:52:49bluebrothereither is's something insulting I don't understand or whatever :)
08:53:44JdGordonhehe bluebutt
08:53:46[Saint]He mentions having a reasonable technical background at some point I think - which doesn't seem to lign up with the fact that he seems like he's a butthurt 10yo
08:54:11[Saint]whoah..errrrr *line
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09:42:13[Saint], ...too much?
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10:11:18GodEaterZagor: I presume you've still had no chance to look into why atlas isn't getting accurate stats in the build rounds?
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10:14:45ZagorGodEater: I'm afraid not, I've been away all weekend. I was vaguely hoping it was a temporary bug. Apparently not :-( I'll try to get to it asap.
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10:26:16wodzmortalis: ping
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10:35:23GodEaterZagor: thank you sir ;)
10:38:11mortaliswodz: pong
10:38:40wodzmortalis: what is the problem with the init sequence in bootloader?
10:42:57wodzbluebrother: I recall I hit some weird linker behavior when working on elfloader. I can't remember the details but the problem was related to .nc* sections and −−gc-sections switch.
10:44:46mortalis1: no i2c_init, 2: I placed pca9555_init into power_init (cause power thread needs to read pca95555 ports and power_init is called the first among button_init, audiohw_postinit, power_init) so I need to initialize i2c before power init
10:47:16wodzmortalis: ok, just note that power_init() sets GPIO which prevents spontaneous power off. Thats why it was called early.
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10:47:40wodzmortalis: Does pca thread solve the problem with hungups?
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10:51:38wodzmortalis: What are you going to do with freq scalling?
10:52:09mortaliswodz: what's wrong with it?
10:53:00wodzmortalis: m9 sources disable freq scaling (and in rather weird way)
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10:55:27mortaliswodz: because of bug in our i2c driver playback on low freq was choppy, on higher freq it was much better, but still a bit choppy. Your i2c fixed solved this problem.
10:59:59mortaliswodz: hm, power thread created in powermgmt_init, not power_init, I could place pca955_init in button_init, and put power_init in bootloader back to first place.
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11:23:33mortaliswodz: have you any idea why df1704_write_reg changes ml pin direction to input? Why don't keep it as output all the time?
11:24:00wodzno idea
11:24:05bertrikwhat's the ml pin?
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11:24:47mortalisit's name one of df1704's pin
11:25:44bertrikon the e200v2, there is a mechanism where a pin is set to some output value, then switched to input, then its value is sampled after some time. This was done to check if something is pulling the pin the other way, or if the pin just keeps floating with its pre-set value.
11:26:50bertriksomething similar is done with the power-button pin on one of the other sansas
11:27:18mortalisthis pin used only in df1704_write_reg, and only for writes
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11:59:37wodzmortalis: How m9 is charged? Isn't it enough to check if usb is connected?
12:01:09mortaliswodz: two 7.4v batteries cannot be charged from usb :)
12:01:23mortalissame for hm801
12:02:23mortalisbtw, i need to implement proper handling of two batteries in rockbox
12:03:09wodzwell, its a matter of step-up converter. We designed in my company charging circuit for 3x NiMH in series from single PV which gives 2-7V depending on weather conditions
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18:20:44ikeboyI've been having a problem with mpegplayer , it will crash every 5 minutes or so while playing a movie.This happens only on a 64gb microsd card when on battery power on the sansa fuze plus. Anyone have an idea
18:21:43ikeboyI don't understand why but it won't happen when it's plugged in even on 100 percent
18:22:22gevaertsThat's interesting. Can you submit a bug report?
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20:54:19madcat1990hey guys
20:55:53madcat1990I wanna help with translations of Rockbox with European Portuguese
20:55:55madcat1990who do I talk to
20:56:36funmanmadcat1990: have you seen ?
20:57:11funmani don't know if it is up to date though
20:58:12funmanah yes it is
20:58:42madcat1990part of it
20:58:57madcat1990:) I want to help out, so I'm currently submitting the missing translations
20:59:14funmanmadcat1990: alright, it should give you a patch at the end of the process
20:59:37madcat1990Fair enough, who or where should I give it to?
21:00:32funmanhere or flyspray or mailing list
21:02:51madcat1990ok, I'll upload it to my personal server
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21:06:46gevaertsFlyspray or the mailing list would really be better. If people can't deal with it right away it's less likely to get lost there
21:07:04madcat1990so I should message Flyspray?
21:07:04gevaertsAlso, we'll need your real name
21:07:38madcat1990Real name is Tiago Roque Medeiros
21:08:07gevaertsActually, I can probably handle this right away :)
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21:10:39madcat1990I have a username there, but I don't think I have patch posting priviliges
21:14:05fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision aa801b5, 214 builds, 39 clients.
21:14:24gevaertsYou should, but no matter now. That new build should have the changes
21:14:46gevaertsTry it next time though :)
21:14:52gevaertsAnyway, thanks!
21:15:16madcat1990Thanks?! You guys wrote the best FW for a music player I've ever used. I'm the one thanking here
21:15:27gevaertsWe can't do it without help :)
21:16:01madcat1990I know, which is why I'm here. I do a little C++, but nothing out of this world. I'm actually thinking of using my main pc with Mingw and attempting to compile rockbox
21:16:03madcat1990maybe ship and app or two
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21:17:10madcat1990I restored a Mini 2G for this!
21:17:22madcat1990and I'll be more than glad to have it as a guinea pig
21:20:16fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Build round completed after 371 seconds.
21:21:57funmanmadcat1990: it is faster and simpler to use a linux virtual machine
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21:24:31funmanby the way i gave a try to gcc 4.8
21:24:59funmanclipzip binary is a bit bigger and clipv1 (thumb) a bit smaller. i don't know if the binaries run though
21:25:34madcat1990funman, I'm downloading this! Gonna run the VM on my server, and remote connect on my main rig. Thanks!
21:25:50funmanbinutils 2.23.2 has a problem though :
21:25:52funman/media/bordel/rockbox/firmware/asm/arm/ffs.S:60: Error: ARM register expected −− `ldrb r0,[ pc,r1,lsr#26 ]'
21:26:08funmanthat happens with armv4 (clipv1) but not v5 (clipzip)
21:27:49funmanah because that code is replaced by clz on armv5 !
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21:33:03bertrikfunman: clipv1 was tightest IIRC, so that sounds like good news indeed
21:33:38funmanhum i forgot that i don't have a clipv1 anymore to test it
21:33:49funmani gave mine to derf when he worked on opus
21:34:00derfIt's right in front of me.
21:34:18funmanwell i can build the other targets in thumb though
21:35:17funmanbloat-o-meter for clipv1: (add/remove: 165/46 grow/shrink: 239/1014 up/down: 20106/-36892)
21:35:20funmanTotal: -16786 bytes
21:35:49funmanfor clip zip: (add/remove: 1/94 grow/shrink: 746/438 up/down: 18824/-14612)
21:35:49funmanTotal: 4212 bytes
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21:37:26funmanin fact that seems so big that it is suspicious :)
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21:38:03madcat19904212 bytes makes that much of a difference?
21:39:01funmanno the 16kb for clipv1 which is already tightly packed
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21:41:49madcat1990I'm assuming then you built it optimizing for size?
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21:42:24funmanhmm nope, iirc -Os didn't help much over -mthumb
21:42:42funmanah wrong file, yes we use -Os
21:43:11derf-Os kills strength reduction.
21:43:22derfWhich means divides by constants don't get turned into multiplies.
21:43:30derfJust FYI.
21:43:54funmanderf: is there a -f flag to turn this on again with -Os ?
21:44:01derffunman: Not post-gcc4.1.
21:44:10derfOr at least, _I_ can't find one.
21:44:32derf(the old flag, -fstrength-reduce, is gone)
21:45:46madcat1990I thought that flag was enabled at level -Os
21:46:09derfI have assembly output that begs to differ.
21:46:27madcat1990I believe you :P You're way more experienced than I
21:46:53derfI actually want to find out I'm wrong here :).
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21:49:30madcat1990well, I'm looking at the online docs for gcc right now
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21:49:54madcat1990can't find that F flag, so I'm trying to find an equivalent
21:50:01madcat1990or if such a thing still exists
21:50:17bluebrotherF flag?
21:50:24madcat1990* -f flag
21:50:39bluebrotherah, missed that line above :)
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22:33:03madcat1990bluebrother, if I may, can I talk to you about the error I made a ticket of?
22:33:14madcat1990task number 12857
22:34:39madcat1990Well, I just posted a comment about it
22:35:11madcat1990but in sum: plugged device to USB, copied file, Windows not responding, reboot pc, unplug ipod during post, get error immediately
22:35:48bluebrotherPOST as in PC POST?
22:35:58madcat1990yes, PC POST
22:36:31bluebrotherand you get the same error message in Rockbox (PC : 0005020C) with 850491a installed?
22:36:48madcat1990yes :(
22:36:59madcat1990What does it even mean?
22:37:16bluebrotherand I assume you can reproduce that, and the problem goes away if you revert to 3.13?
22:38:18madcat1990The problem does go away with 3.13
22:38:25bluebrotherif so things are getting really strange. Does the player start up fine if you reset it?
22:38:31madcat1990As to reproducing it, it happens randomly
22:38:40madcat1990it starts up fine when reset WITH 3.13
22:38:51madcat1990as soon as I get the 0005020C error, no matter how many times I reboot
22:38:52madcat1990I ge tit
22:38:55madcat1990*I get it
22:39:20madcat1990I have to restart into HDD Emergency mode (Play + Select on boot) in order to revert to 3.13 or make sure there's no errors in the internal hard drive
22:39:24bluebrotherok. That's not surprising, since you need to replace Rockbox in that case −− it's somehow crashing on startup
22:39:39madcat1990Could it be the flash HDD I Have?
22:39:48madcat1990I've looked for bad sectors or errors in it
22:39:57bluebrotherI highly doubt that. My mini is also CF-modded
22:40:09bluebrotherbut interestingly it's running stable with 850491a
22:40:23madcat1990is yours a 2G or a 1G?
22:40:43bluebrotherwhich doesn't surprise me, since after bisecting the commit that broke it was the one that added −−gc-sections to the link step
22:41:03madcat1990same here..
22:41:19madcat1990a new build rolled up, I'll try using that
22:41:47madcat1990(Let me say, it is an honor to be talking to the devs behind this little bundle of joy)
22:42:41bluebrotherwell, I'm usually involved in the installer front only.
22:43:10bluebrotherbut since the mini2g is my main player this was something that really bothered me. I still don't understand what's going wrong here (let alone why ...)
22:43:29bluebrotherit gets stranger and stranger :(
22:44:10madcat1990Neither do I. And I feel bad to bother, but I'm probably not the only one with this problem
22:44:35bluebrotherwell, it's good that I'm not the only one experiencing the issue :)
22:44:46madcat1990You ARE or WERE? :P
22:45:37bluebrotherhaven't heard of anyone else yet, but two devices having problems makes it more likely to be a bug instead of a hardware failure :)
22:45:51bluebrotherand I had an Ipod dying on me some time ago :(
22:46:12madcat1990When I got this one it WAS kind of dead
22:46:16madcat1990found it in a recycling bin
22:46:53madcat1990screen broken, case smashed, hard drive woulnd't spin, keypad had the ribbon CUT
22:47:11madcat1990Ordered new case, screen and keypad from Ebay
22:47:36madcat1990got a bit of plastic to put on the new case to protect the screen
22:47:44madcat1990and got a 16GB CF card from my local computer store
22:48:04madcat1990put all of it together, now I have this wonderful little device :D
22:48:33*bluebrother likes the mini2g for the size
22:48:51madcat1990I like it for being so easy to fix!
22:49:08madcat1990CF mod certainly helps!
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22:54:23madcat1990well, either way, what usually broke it was a cold boot. so I'll try doing that
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23:03:42madcat1990well, it seems to be working file so far bluebrother , I'm going home, and I'll be back here. if something happens, I'll be sure to drop a lengthy and very descriptive comment explaining what I did for it to happen and attempt to reproduce it
23:03:47madcat1990*working fine
23:04:02madcat1990Cheers gents!
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23:15:35Zagor_there, GodEater got his points at last:
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23:17:43gevaertsZagor_: he's not at the top! He'll be disappointed :)
23:17:52Zagor_probably :)
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