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#rockbox log for 2013-05-15

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04:16:51fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision 91b850e, 214 builds, 21 clients.
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04:44:30[Saint]What ever happened to the channel flip setting <someone> was working on...?
04:44:55*[Saint] is tiring of seeing people complain about flipped channels on the Classic and other iPods.
04:45:19[Saint](...but I don't want to re-invent the wheel, I was pretty sure someone did this already but it wasn't committed)
04:47:07[Saint]aha g3393
04:47:12[Saint]d'oh!
04:47:17[Saint] g#393
04:47:19fs-bluebotGerrit review #393 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/393 : Implement "reverse stereo" channel configuration to reverse left and right audio... by Bertrik Sikken (changes/93/393/2)
04:48:19*[Saint] has no hwcodec targets, anyone wanna have a play so we can get this committed finally :)
04:49:09jhMikeSwhy not fix the flipped channels in the target code instead
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04:49:47[Saint]Well, you've reviewed it...why not say that in the task?
04:50:10*jhMikeS thought it was people who wear the headphones backwards?
04:50:43[Saint]Well, that's one use.
04:51:15[Saint]Despite that, though, its just one of those things a DAP _should_ be able to do.
04:51:19jhMikeSit only affects playback implemented that way. I thought about it further and suspect it shouldn't be implements that way
04:51:36[Saint]Well....review.
04:52:05jhMikeSIt should be done in the audio codec itself if possible, then it gets everything. it shouldn't be a channel option
04:52:38jhMikeSwell, fine, I'll review the f-ing thing again which further opinionating
04:52:39*[Saint] doesn't want to say it again :)
04:52:50jhMikeSs/which/with/
04:53:27jhMikeSI was going to say all that a few weeks ago but figured noone cared what I said about it anyway
04:53:34[Saint]I thought it was fine, personally, but if you don't, and have a better method. Great.
04:57:44jhMikeSdone...
04:58:31[Saint]Huzzah.
04:59:32jhMikeSmy suggested method is more difficult to implement overall but more complete
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05:02:07Maxdamantusor maybe someone who accidentally attached a new jack backwards.
05:03:07[Saint]If you're capable of doing that, you're capoable of trivially reversing it.
05:03:12[Saint]Not a problem I suspect.
05:03:21*jhMikeS would just fix his botched solder job :)
05:03:29[Saint]Indeed.
05:05:16jhMikeSthere's another problem doing it in dsp, balance would still be the normal way around
05:06:03jhMikeSbut that's true of fiddling with IIS as well :\
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05:28:55jhMikeSat least some codecs can swap DAC channels
05:29:34jhMikeSnot gonna go through every datasheet right now :)
05:32:21jhMikeSeven cheesy simple ones like wm8721 can do that
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05:37:44n9xvthavin issues and emcore is offline,,
05:38:29[Saint]errrrr....I take it you mean freemyipod?
05:38:34[Saint]ANd, nope, it isn't.
05:39:24n9xvtyeah,, throughly fustrated at this point,,
05:39:33n9xvtoh? just the web client?
05:40:16[Saint]webclient works for me.
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07:39:04diz_Childanyone have used IDA Pro?
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08:27:12wodzdiz_Child: lots of people here used IDA
08:27:55wodz... but I bet that is really not what you wanted to know actually :-)
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08:37:40diz_Childwodz: I want to know if i could dis-compile a firmware to get the hardware drv info use IDA
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08:48:16wodzdiz_Child: In general you can
08:48:37wodzdiz_Child: But the amount of work strongly depends on particular case.
08:48:52wodzdiz_Child: What do you know about the target of question?
08:49:29wodzwait, dis-compile no, dissasemble yes
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08:50:07[Saint]Yeah, pretty big difference there.
08:50:35wodzwell, there is decompiler available for newer versions of IDA but I believe it was not seen in the 'wild' and price tag is quite big
08:50:47wodz[Saint]: decompilers are not so good anyway
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08:56:33diz_Childwodz: u mean the work disassemble a firmware is hard?
08:56:56[Saint]Well, that too.
08:57:09[Saint]WHat he was pointing out is that disassemble != decompile.
08:57:56diz_Childwell, ofcose
08:58:16wodzdiz_Child: There are a few issues 1) You need to know format of the firmware (aka is it scrambled/crypted, what are the headers etc.) 2) You need to know (or guess or whatever) the memory map 3) Then you can deep dive into understanding the code flow
08:58:38wodzdiz_Child: The first two points are crucial
08:59:30wodzdiz_Child: The third is a matter of patience and persistence :-)
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09:00:22diz_Child:-C
09:00:33diz_Child:-C
09:00:46diz_Child是吗？。。
09:01:16wodzdiz_Child: So at the very begining you need to grab as much info about the target as you can. Dismantle it, take a photos of internals, search for datasheets. Find firmware update, try to understand the format.
09:02:29diz_Childwhat do u mean by the "format" of a firmware?
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09:03:09[Saint]is it some obfuscated .bin, etc. is it encrypted, how? etc.
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09:04:18diz_Child这里有中国人么？。。。
09:04:29[Saint]English please.
09:05:26wodzdiz_Child: for example this http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RKWFileFormat or this http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SbFileFormat or dozen of other obscure ways of packing binary
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09:08:45diz_Childem.. cause i find some info about IDA, it applies a dsp56k decompiler, so i can get the c codes by using IDA?
09:09:03diz_Childdisassemble is too hard..
09:09:56wodzdiz_Child: If your target is build around 56k core you can try but I would not be too optimistic about outcome
09:13:26wodzIt would be really helpful If you could be more specific about your target.
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09:14:22wodzmortalis: ping
09:14:30mortaliswodz: pong
09:15:12wodzmortalis: what is the outcome of your debug session (about hangs with repeated next or something)
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09:16:10diz_Childok, i'll try, thanks a lot
09:16:35wodztry what? tell as what the target is :P
09:17:31mortaliswodz: it happens even on 3cad557 commit.
09:17:59mortalisIt probably present from the very begining but i didn't check it yet
09:18:03wodzso it predates freq scalling right?
09:18:22mortalisyes
09:19:02wodzthat is good (in some way) I would say
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09:20:29mortalisthe question is what the difference between switching track with BUTTON_NEXT+BUTTON_NEXT|BUTTON_REPEAT and just selecting track from next folder?
09:20:47diz_Childwodz: the target is motorola m500, the official firmware is a little buggy
09:23:32wodzdiz_Child: dismantle it and take a shots of internals. Judging from the age of the target It can very well be based on motorola's coldfire platform
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09:26:24diz_Childit's based on STMP3550B chip, motorola dsp56k core
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09:27:12diz_Childhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SigmaTelSTMP3xxx#STMP3500
09:29:09diz_Childi have got a similar firmware named stmpsys.sb
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09:31:20diz_Childbootmanager.sb
09:32:17pamaurydiz_Child: stmp35000 is close to impossible to port
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09:33:53diz_Childpamaury: why? more info?
09:35:12[Saint]Without being too much of an asshole...if pamaury (our resident dissassembly (and a metric f**ktonne of other things) expert) says it is "basically impossible", in /his/ terms, that pretty much means its impossible.
09:35:36pamaurybecause it is a very weird dsp (24-bits/word), I know only one open source compiler available and it is 10+ year old and doesn't compile anymore, is buggy
09:35:46pamaurybasically you woudld have to rewrite a compiler
09:36:24diz_ChildOMG.
09:37:29pamauryI have the sigmatel sdk lying around if you want but really this will is very hard work, I'm not sure it's worth it
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09:58:07diz_Childit's unusual to used a craked software (sdk) in your country?
09:58:49diz_Childwe here always use pirated software。。
09:59:40diz_Childbut i just port the rockbox to my mechine for fan on my part time
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10:07:24diz_Childso i try to use a cracked stmp sdk to do that, if i can find one, and i can get the hardwares drv
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11:47:55TorneZagor: we should upgrade gerrit to 2.5.3 (which is a rather large jump)
11:48:12TorneZagor: i think to do this correctly we may need to upgrade to an intermediate version first because of db schema changes :/
11:48:52TorneZagor: hm, actually it should be okay to go directly to 2.5.3
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11:51:49mortaliswhy not 2.6?
11:52:20Torne2.6 is still in rc
11:53:02Torneand they're in the middle of making some pretty sweeping changes that i don't think we are in any hurry to adopt
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12:45:53ZagorTorne: ok
12:49:34TorneZagor: back up the repo and dbs before you do, obviously.
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12:49:43Tornea bunch of internal stuff has changed between 2.2 and 2.5
12:49:45Zagoryup
12:49:46Torneit should migrate it all cleanly
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12:49:50Tornebut yaknow ;)
12:50:07Tornethere aren't any major UI changes that i've noticed
12:50:12Torneso people should still be able to use it just the same
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18:09:40webguest48Rockbox Team much thanks for your support and help!
18:09:50webguest48Just wonder if you have any insights in to following: From WPS one button press (eg.
18:09:50webguest48Long Play) to save current song in to defined playlist (e.g Favorites.m3u8)
18:10:14webguest48I did extensive search but found only below workaround:
18:10:22webguest48http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-07/0930.shtml
18:10:44webguest48Just wonder if you could point best way to invoke above favorites.c from WPS -> Long Play…
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19:52:01bertrikdreamlayers: nice catch regarding the ipod time sync bug!
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23:30:20neozengreetings all, it appears android's SDK changed things out from under you yet again w/ revision 22. aapt, aidl, dx, and dexdump now live in a version-dependent directory under build-tools/x.x.x/
23:31:14neozenso make and make zip work just fine, make install for android target fails.
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23:47:18neozenI also don't see any sign of the apkbuilder binary anywhere in the current version of the sdk...
23:48:52neozenI'll clean all this up and write up a bug (perhaps even a patch) w/in the week.... in the meantime don't upgrade your android sdk tools to > r21
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23:49:10*gevaerts is sure it can be worked out :)
23:49:23neozencertainly...
23:49:30neozenjust yet another pain :)
23:49:33gevaertsIs apkbuilder the one that's been claiming to be deprecated for ages now?
23:49:38neozenyeah
23:49:45neozenthat's the one announcing in all caps
23:49:53neozenseems they finally removed it
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23:50:22gevaertsWith some luck, it's only the binary that's gone, not the stuff it was calling
23:50:35gevaertsIn which case we can just put it back, basically
23:51:03neozenperhaps....
23:51:16neozenam currently reading through this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/android-developers/sls2uFYWuWE might be of use...
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23:57:39neozenthis might be it: https://raw.github.com/miracle2k/android-platform_sdk/master/apkbuilder/etc/apkbuilder I'll drop it in and see if it builds....

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