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#rockbox log for 2013-06-15

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04:36:33DarthFrogCan one use Ipod accessories, eg. boom ooxes, etc. with an Ipod port, once an Ipod has Rockbox on it?
04:37:07DarthFrogboom boxes.
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04:53:35[Saint]DarthFrog: too many variables there, I'm afraid.
04:53:50[Saint]It depends on which iPod, and which accessories.
04:55:10[Saint]If you're talking about the Classic, then the broad answer is "No".
04:56:02[Saint]Unless the accessory in question will work with generic removable storage, in which case it likely wouldn't be iPod-specific.
04:56:54DarthFrog[Saint]: Thanks. That's what I was thinking might be the case.
04:57:18[Saint]Even on the iPods that *have* IAP enabled, the answer for most accessories is "Maybe, but, don't rely on it".
04:57:58[Saint]There's a small amount of accessories known to work with a few iPods listed on the wiki somewhere.
04:59:26DarthFrog[Saint]: And, yes, I was referring to an Ipod Classic.
05:00:43DarthFrogI was describing Rockbox to a friend who has an Ipod Classic and that's the question she asked me. Being quite new to Rockbox myself, I couldn't answer her.
05:01:28[Saint]I believe there's some work on gerrit that partially implements IAP for the iPod Classic port, but the current code base doesn't have this applied and it would need a reasonable amount of work if it were to be.
05:02:11DarthFrogSo it might work someday but don't count on it? Sounds reasonable.
05:02:44[Saint]That's pretty much the gist of the entire project ;)
05:03:29DarthFrogThanks for your help.
05:05:36[Saint]Any dock/stereo/car-stereo/etc. that has USB and can rwad from removable storage will be able to read from a Rockboxed device, be it iPod or no, but some "smart" devices will see the UID is an iPod, and try to talk to it using IAP (iPod Accessory Protocol) - we can patch out the UID as a workaround for this, though, so the device(s) don't "see" it as an iPod anymore and in theory it should just work.
05:06:34[Saint]Basically the problems are that IAP is a closed protocol, and not many devs own a wide range of/any accessories.
05:07:02[Saint]And, the ever present problems of time and man-power.
05:09:47[Saint]There was some talk at some point to allow the setting of the UID for the iPods (or, possibly all devices, but I can't think of a use case outside the iPods) via a menu setting, or a "magic config file" or so...but I'm not sure what happened with that discussion.
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05:14:01*[Saint] growls at search being broken in gerrit
05:17:30[Saint]Its a patch tracking/review tool the project uses.
05:20:43[Saint]It seems the major issue with the patches is just that they're in a mess. And it isn't immediately clear what is necessary and what is debug/AIP stuff (to me at least).
05:20:55[Saint]The author seems to have gone awol too.
05:21:12[Saint]I'm sure someone could pick it up at some point.
05:21:32[Saint](disclaimer: not implying anyone will)
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05:24:47DarthFrogCo-ordinating an open source project must be good experience for herding cats. :-) Or atheists. Not that there's much difference.
05:26:31[Saint]As both a cat owner, and an atheist, I can say that I catch significantly less birds, and lick my own crotch a lot less, too. :)
05:27:14DarthFrogI'm ... glad to hear that. :-)
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12:19:05lebelliumwhat is that "%xl|a|volume0.bmp|44|38|" or "%V|27|51|144|50|1|E68700|000000|" ? The old skin engine? (taken from a 2008 theme)
12:31:21lebelliumand when was introduced the new skin engine?
12:31:59lebelliumJdGordon or [Saint]
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12:49:36lebelliumoh nvm, I found
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18:31:52megakacktusI've been trying to build the arm cross-compiler
18:32:22megakacktusbut I keep getting make errors: "*** [all] Error 2"
18:32:56megakacktusI've looked through the forums and mailing lists but I couldn't find any solution
18:33:12gelraenlook for errors from compiler
18:33:14gevaertsAll that says is that there was an error earlier on
18:33:25gevaertsI'm guessing something related to texinfo?
18:33:58gevaertsIf so, have a look at
18:34:05*gevaerts looks for n1s
18:34:18megakacktuswell as I look through the output there is a line that says:
18:34:21megakacktus"../../../binutils-2.20.1/bfd/doc/bfd.texinfo:326: unknown command `colophon'"
18:34:28gevaertsThat's the one
18:35:09gevaertsWell, if you can, the simple fix is to downgrade your texinfo package, but that's not always easy to do
18:37:12megakacktusOk, I'll try that
18:38:40megakacktusWhat's the most recent version that's known to work?
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18:39:32gevaertsI think it's v4 vs v5
18:39:47gevaertsSo any 4.x should work, downgrading to any 5.x likely is a waste of time
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18:53:32megakacktuswell the compiler is doing much better now than last time
18:54:12n1sgevaerts: yes?
18:54:20n1soh, that
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18:55:04n1si don't think the fixed patches are on the download server yet, i haven't seen Zagor around lately, so haven't asked him to update from git
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19:01:01n1shmm, in fact it seems they are there so i should push that
19:02:13*n1s test, just to be sure
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19:12:45bluebrothern1s: IMO all compiler patches should be in tools/compiler or something
19:13:24bluebrothersince running only makes sense if you have cloned the Rockbox repo downloading patches is kinda weird. Having it in the same repo the script lives in makes much more sense to me
19:13:47bluebrotherwe could then even move to tools/compiler (or tools/toolchain?)
19:14:13CeninantI have a question..I can't seem to get the playlist format setup in Winamp for my player, best way for creating playlists on PC? Or just create the playlist, then autoreplace the drive letter with nothing?
19:14:51bluebrotheryou can simply use winamp :)
19:15:04bluebrotheryou don't need to remove the drive letter. Rockbox will strip that automatically
19:15:20bluebrotherthe only important thing is that the folder structure is the same as on the PC and to save the playlist in m3u format
19:15:23bluebrotherCeninant: ^^
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19:16:37CeninantI'm building the playlists directly from files I put on the mp3 player, and on the mp3 player.
19:16:58bluebrotherand you're saving the playlist as m3u?
19:17:16*Ceninant goes to check file extension
19:19:33CeninantNo joke about the USB on the Cip Zip being wonky, though.
19:20:29Ceninantyes, m3u.
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19:20:58bluebrotherthen it should work. How does it look like if you try using the playlist with Rockbox?
19:22:35CeninantLike it can't find the files, and just skips back to the main menu.
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19:22:59bluebrotherhave you moved the playlist on the player after saving it?
19:23:21CeninantI have winamp setup to autocreate it in F:\Playlists
19:23:40megakacktusI'm getting errors compiling RB saying "rockbox/apps/recorder/jpeg_idct_arm.S:824: Error: undefined symbol `pix8_size' in operation"
19:23:58bluebrotherif you open the playlist in a text editor, how does an entry look like?
19:24:30Ceninant#EXTINF:236,8 rounds, 20 on, 10 off (English Man)
19:24:30Ceninant\MUSIC\beach\Desktop\8 rounds, 20 on, 10 off (English Man).mp3
19:24:30DBUGEnqueued KICK Ceninant
19:24:30Ceninant#EXTINF:236,8 rounds, 20 on, 10 off (Female Voice)
19:24:30Ceninant\MUSIC\beach\Desktop\8 rounds, 20 on, 10 off (Female Voice).mp3
19:24:30***Alert Mode level 1
19:24:30Ceninant#EXTINF:243,8 rounds, 20 on, 10 off (Fight Bell)
19:24:31***Alert Mode level 2
19:24:31Ceninant\MUSIC\beach\Desktop\8 rounds, 20 on, 10 off (Fight Bell).mp3
19:25:01bluebrotherok, and that folder structure also exists on the player, right?
19:25:18bluebrotheri.e. you have F:\MUSIC\beach\Desktop\8 rounds, 20 on, 10 off (English Man).mp3
19:25:42bluebrotherhmm, that's strange. It should work then
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19:26:26bluebrothermegakacktus: do you have patches applied to your source tree?
19:26:35Ceninant#EXTINF:2297,How Do We Know Things
19:26:36Ceninant\MUSIC\Susan Johnston\TMS_ Myths and Mysteries in Archaeology\01 - How Do We Know Things.mp3
19:26:36***Alert Mode level 3
19:26:36Ceninant#EXTINF:1839,Science and How It Works
19:26:36***Alert Mode level 4
19:26:36Ceninant\MUSIC\Susan Johnston\TMS_ Myths and Mysteries in Archaeology\02 - Science and How It Works.mp3
19:26:36CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19:26:36*gevaerts recommends double-checking. That "Desktop" looks interesting
19:27:03megakacktusbluebrother, not that I'm aware of
19:27:32bluebrotheroh, right. Didn't notice that :)
19:27:35CeninantThat's how WinAMP made it.
19:28:11CeninantI quickly added ID3 tags. WinAMP read the folder the files were saved in as "Album", so you get desktop as an album.
19:28:43bluebrothermegakacktus: I recommend a "make clean" then. Apart from the player things build fine
19:28:55Ceninantand BEACH because the original file name was - Tabata - 8 rounds, 20 on, 10 off (Fight Bell).mp3
19:29:28megakacktusbluebrother, I'll try that
19:29:58Ceninant/Susan Johnston/TMS_ Myths and Mysteries in Archaeology/01 - How Do We Know Things.mp3
19:29:58Ceninant/Susan Johnston/TMS_ Myths and Mysteries in Archaeology/02 - Science and How It Works.mp3
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19:30:06CeninantThat's how Rockbox created a dynamic playlist.
19:30:27bluebrotherCeninant: ok, and how does such a playlist look like if you add the two files you mentioned above? ;-)
19:32:41CeninantSo WinAMP is adding \music\ and rockbox software isn't..
19:33:27bluebrotherI did assume that the former were in a subfolder MUSIC while the latter aren't ...
19:33:57bluebrotherthough Rockbox tries to to strip leading parts of the path if the file is not found
19:34:50CeninantThe folder is E:\MUSIC\Susan Johnston\TMS_ Myths and Mysteries in Archaeology\02 - Science and How It Works.mp3
19:34:59Ceninanter file proper
19:35:54bluebrotherhuh? Then the path saved by Rockbox should start with /MUSIC
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19:37:33bluebrotherhave you saved the dynamic playlist in /MUSIC?
19:37:36CeninantI resaved the playlist in RB after queuing from the database and it added /music/ that time.
19:38:38bluebrotherjust to be sure, the files in question do play fine in Rockbox, right?
19:38:51CeninantNow both playlist are fine.
19:39:38CeninantThe new rockbox playlist is
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19:40:00Ceninant/MUSIC/Susan Johnston/TMS_ Myths and Mysteries in Archaeology/02 - Science and How It Works.mp3
19:41:28CeninantI couldn't get USB to work in Rockbox last night, so I booted into OFW to add those playlists..because USB Drive access is USB Drive access. But now the playlist I made last night is working.
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19:42:43CeninantQuantum Fluctuations. That's the problem, and that's how it was fixed.
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20:46:58n1sbluebrother: yeah, that's probably nicer but i won't change it now, perhaps next time new patches are needed
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22:45:49saratogaare long id3v2 tags expected to cause problems for our parser? FS #12873 has an embedded jpeg that follows a long XML file and is not parsed
22:45:50fs-bluebot Album art does not parse in ID3v2 tag (bugs, new)
22:53:57saratogabluebrother: let me double check, maybe i made a mistake
23:02:53saratogabluebrother: i don't see more than one piece of album art in that file
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