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#rockbox log for 2013-06-18

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05:44:20defendorhi, is anyone else having problems with the ipod 6g usb connection? it keeps disconnecting
05:56:15dewlapreboot to fallback image defendor
05:56:38dewlapadd music there, then to listen reboot again back to rockbox
05:59:23defendorok i'll try that. thanks dewlap
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06:00:58dewlapit is a known bug afaik
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06:23:19johnlockeis anyone ready to help me unbrick my clip+ today?
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08:18:24parkinghi guys
08:18:37parkingis anybody out there?
08:22:02Zagorwhy does everyone ask that?
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08:35:54parkingbecause no one bothers to help out
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08:41:41parkingusers are continuously encouraged to "Talk to us in IRC BEFORE attempting", but look at all the care your giving
08:43:48maraz_maybe if you asked about your problem and not about someone being here
08:43:58Zagorumm, the only question you have asked is "is anyone here?"
08:44:36kugelparking: users are also continuously encouraged to "Ask your question right away and not whether someone is here"
08:45:51parkingwell i was following the guide at
08:45:56parkingup till the step with sudo fdisk -l
08:46:00parkingand only got a disk with no partition at 4MB capacity instead of the 979.75MB
08:46:43parkingive tried it several times.
08:46:47parking"If it doesn't works, try to repeat it several times." by "it doesn't works", does he actually mean the situation im in or something else?
08:48:08parkingthis is for a clip+ by the way. lets see if anyone can enlighten me
08:49:41Zagorping funman ^^
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08:51:14parkinghow do i do that?
08:51:51GodEatersay "funman - what do you mean by... etc."
08:51:55GodEaterand wait till he replies
08:52:48Zagoroh sorry, I meant that I justed pinged him. :-) I think he might know a thing or two.
08:53:34GodEateralso, it's slightly worrying you've got as far as the fdisk section in that guide, before coming here with problems.
08:54:38parkingive been trying to fix the clip+ for almost a month now,
08:55:01parkingthat guide really is my last resort before finally throwing it out
08:57:10funman"doesn't work" means "desn't report the 1GB partition"
08:57:43funmanand we should definitely remove that page
08:57:51funmanit only helped me when I flashed bad code on the players
08:58:00funmanit will not magically repair a broken nand
08:58:26ZagorI rather think we should add more info than remove incomplete
08:58:52Zagorsuch as "if your flash shows < 979MB the nand is likely broken"
08:59:37Zagorthough "Talk to us in IRC BEFORE attempting this procedure" sounds like a good idea :-)
09:00:26GodEatermaybe followed with "No, really, we mean it."
09:00:35Zagorheh, yeah
09:00:59funmanit'd rather be "Are you funman? If not your player is broken, throw it away because this page won't help you"
09:01:09Zagorparking: sounds like your player is broken rather than bricked, then
09:01:18Zagorfunman: haha
09:01:42funmanNot sure if I heard of one person who could restore their player
09:01:55funmanand then I'd wonder what had happened for it to be unusable in the first place
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09:04:17ZagorI'm writing a header
09:06:31JdGordonI think i may have restored a clip+ with that magic page
09:06:36parkinghave you guys seen this page?
09:06:58Zagorfunman: how about this? (reload page)
09:07:22parkingit does seems like a possibility but we'll have to get through the technical stuffs
09:07:48JdGordonZagor: not big enough
09:08:16Zagoryeah but we can't turn into geocities just because people don't want to follow instructions
09:08:41parkingROFL geocities!
09:11:18parkingguys, how about we get back to fixing my clip+ and worry about the page later?
09:11:52Zagorparking: your nand is broken
09:13:36parkingi'd like to believe otherwise, [Saint] gave a shed of hope in
09:14:44*JdGordon wants a pony
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09:15:13parkingwhats the blue pins for?
09:16:15jlbiasini[log] Pamaury have a look at this strange bug I finally squared: FS #12874
09:16:16fs-bluebot [Fuze+] Music playback stopped if touchpad pressed more than 6 second while locked (bugs, new)
09:16:30Zagorparking: I don't know what he means by that. you'll have to ask him. he's on NZ time.
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09:17:06GodEaterhe's usually around about now - he must be out or something
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09:17:46GodEateralthough to be fair, I've also no idea what he means by that. I think he's being unduly optimistic to be honest.
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09:25:35parkinga little help, saint?
09:28:22jlbiasiniHey hi all I was just wondering might this be a feature FS #12874 ?
09:28:22fs-bluebot [Fuze+] Music playback stopped if touchpad pressed more than 6 second while locked (bugs, new)
09:30:36Zagorjlbiasini: no, when you're locked you're locked. it's a bug.
09:30:58jlbiasiniok thank I just wanted to be sure
09:35:52parking[07:15] <parking> whats the blue pins for?
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09:52:26parkingyou guys have been real helpful
09:53:26parkingyou guys have been real helpful
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10:15:23Zagorparking: if you don't get a response, it's usually because nobody online has the answer.
10:18:49copperAre dev builds compiled daily, and does each daily build include all the commits from the day before?
10:19:19copperi.e. will those Fuze+ commits from an hour ago be present in, say, tomorrow's dev build?
10:19:35copperer, those aren't commits
10:19:45Zagorcopper: dev builds are compiled after every commit
10:19:57copperok, thanks
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10:23:14gevaertscopper: to be precise, the build will be available a few minutes after the commit, as soon as fs-bluebot tells us here the build is done
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10:25:22copperI see
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10:27:10parkingyou guys have been real helpful
10:28:30copperyou keep saying that
10:28:42copperthat's nice to hear, but are you stuck in a loop?
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10:46:26coppersaratoga: "I would like to release an open source decoder. If i could snap with the fingers and it was there, i would do it. But unless someone donates me a magic wand, a lot of (not very exciting) work is required. And i don't know, when i will able to do it."
10:46:51coppersaratoga: maybe you could re-iterate your offer, in a PM?
10:47:52coppersurely he would trust a long time HA member more than someone else (say, from ffmpeg)
10:48:03copperif trust is an issue to begin with
10:49:01copperif he still refuses help from competent, interested third parties, then just forget about it
10:50:33*Zagor keeps his mouth shut :-)
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11:37:14copperpamaury: there's a problem with the latest Fuze+ build
11:37:45copperthere's some striped flickering on the display
11:38:10pamauryhum, ok i'll have a look
11:39:02copperdoesn't happen with build from 2013/06/05
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11:40:46pamauryunder which circumstance ? I don't have any such problem on mine
11:41:01copperpamaury: just booting it up, displaying the main menu
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11:41:38copperthe entire display shows thin, black stripes, that flicker at a fast rate
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11:43:21linuxstbcopper: I thought an open source decoder was already there?
11:43:32copperlinuxstb: REed
11:43:47copperthe original source would be more useful, I guess?
11:44:04pamaurywhich screen type ?
11:44:16copperwhat do you mean?
11:44:35pamaurygo into debug menu, after many screen there is the lcd kind
11:44:41linuxstbcopper: Yes, I know it's RE'ed. That was in response to TBeck wishing he click his fingers and an open source decoder would appear.
11:44:44pamaurydebug menu > show HW info
11:46:22copperpamaury: what line is relevant?
11:46:30copperI don't see "screen", "display" or "lcd"
11:46:52pamaurypress select until you seen a screen with a single line: "lcd kind: XXXX"
11:48:00copper(running the 2013/06/05 build)
11:48:02copperpamaury: I see. "ili9325"
11:48:55pamauryhum ok, this is the other screen type
11:49:06pamaurycan you bisect ?
11:49:14copperI don't know what that means :P
11:50:26pamauryyou take two revisions: one working, one non-working and you try to find the first commit which broke the screen
11:51:03copperer, that means building, right?
11:52:52copperit would be faster to narrow it down if I could download previous daily builds
11:53:13copperis there an archive somewhere?
11:53:22pamaurywe don't build every commit unfortuntaely
11:53:47copper08:19:46 UTC <Zagor> copper: dev builds are compiled after every commit
11:53:53Zagorpamaury: we do, unless multiple commits are *really* close
11:54:12gevaertsWe build every push, probably
11:54:22Zagorah, right
11:54:34pamauryI committed ~60 commits in 5 push
11:54:39gevaertsA subtle difference :)
11:55:21copperZagor: nice, thanks!
11:55:32Zagorthat should keep you busy a while ;-)
11:58:28pamaurycopper: I suggest you start with the 15/06/2013 build
11:58:43copperpamaury: ok
11:58:45copperin other news, my Fuze+ internal flash memory writes at 2.8-3 MB/s
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12:11:04copperpamaury: is fine, is not is dafc359-130616 is d561017-130616
12:14:56copperthat should narrow it down enough?
12:15:07coppersince it seems to be a 24 hour window
12:16:34gevaerts That's 47 commits
12:16:54copperall 47 commits related to display stuff?
12:17:25copperall 47 commits related to Fuze+ specifics?
12:18:08pamauryall 47 are imx233 specific yeah, not all relevant for this problem though
12:18:18Tornethat's only 6 attempts to bisect :)
12:18:20Tornenot too bad
12:18:30pamauryyeah, copper can you build or not ?
12:19:10copperlemme set it up!
12:20:47pamaurycool, thanks
12:21:18copperI'm cloning git
12:21:42copperhow do I get a clone of d561017-130616, and "bisect" upwards?
12:22:29pamauryI'm sure Torne can write the commands out of his mind
12:22:56Tornegit bisect start dafc359 d561017
12:22:56copperI've never used git
12:23:01Tornebisection doesn't work upward
12:23:05Torneit works by binary searching
12:23:26Tornethat will start a bisect operation assuming that dafc359 is a bad version and d561017 is a good version
12:23:30Torneit will pick a point inbetween for you
12:23:32Torneyou build and test it
12:23:41Torneand then just say "git bisect bad" if it's bad, or "git bisect good" if it's good
12:23:47Tornekeep doing that until it tells you which commit broke it :)
12:23:56Torneit should take no more than 6 goes :)
12:24:03copperwhy no more than 6?
12:24:12Tornebecause that's how a binary search works
12:24:16Torneit tries the point halfway between
12:24:33Torneif that's bad, it tries the point halfway between that and the start; if that's good it tries the point halfway between that and the end
12:24:37copperI see
12:24:39coppermakes sense
12:24:44Torneby picking the halfway point it reduces the range as fast as possible
12:24:44copperto reduce the number of searched
12:24:47pamaurybasically n tests allow to bisect 2^n commits :)
12:25:18Torneanyway, yeah. just clonea dn then run that "git bisect start dafc359 d561017"
12:25:28Torneit will check out the right versions to test for you each time
12:25:33Torneyou just build as per the normal instructions :)
12:26:39copperpamaury: what's the target?
12:28:46wodzpamaury: Did you try recover your rk27xx?
12:29:38pamauryno I haven't tried :-/ I'll do this this afternoon since you remind me of this
12:31:01copperer, doesn't accept arm-elf-eabi as a target
12:31:04copperonly "a" for "arm"
12:31:36pamauryjust use a, we only have one arm toolchain these days I think
12:31:48copperoh that's just for the toolchain
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12:40:14coppertoolchain building completed, now building rockbox
12:42:31copperyay, building went fine
12:44:26copperbisecting now
12:46:03copperdo I need to "make clean" before rebuilding?
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12:46:37pamauryin theory no
12:46:48wodzbut this is good practice :-)
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12:49:49copper52426d08918eadfba178f74e1bd5d1663f9c73e0 is the first bad commit
12:49:56copperimx233: fix pinctrl for stmp3600 and stmp3700
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12:50:28copper Change-Id: I87281b89315890fa285cb9a63fda5c90bdc8cdbf
12:51:40copperwell now I know how to pinpoint a problematic commit
12:57:07pamauryok thanks, I'm ready the commit, let's see if I spot something suspicious
13:01:08pamauryah spotted, crazy mistake
13:01:28copperthat was fast!
13:01:30pamaurycopper: can you try to change one line and recompile ?
13:01:36coppertell me what to do
13:01:53pamauryin firmware/target/arm/imx233/sansa-fuzeplus/lcd-fuzeplus.c
13:02:08pamauryreplace "HW_PINCTRL_DOUTn_CLR(1) = 0x3ffff; /* lcd_d{0-17} */" by "HW_PINCTRL_DOEn_CLR(1) = 0x3ffff; /* lcd_d{0-17} */"
13:05:07copperpamaury: works! \o/
13:06:17pamaurygood :)
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13:10:55fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision 9c965c8, 217 builds, 20 clients.
13:11:03pamauryhere we go, thanks copper
13:12:42pamauryamazing that I took a lot of time to actually compile/test each of the ~60 commits on target and missed this bug ^^
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13:17:35fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Revision 9c965c8 result: All green
13:17:48copperpamaury: well you said you didn't have that problem on your Fuze+
13:18:01copperhow could you have caught it while testing?
13:19:05copperalso, now I can stop bitching about building rockbox
13:19:51pamaurythat the point: manually reading and testing ever commit, I thought that would trap all bugs, unfortunately not
13:22:48copperpamaury: out of curiosity, why are there different displays, and what are the differences?
13:23:16copperjust different suppliers during production?
13:23:30pamauryyeah, the screens are really the same appart for a few commands
13:23:42wodzor suppliers diversification
13:25:28copperpamaury: anyway, if in doubt, ask me to test a commit, since now I'm ready to make new builds quickly
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15:19:51funmanZagor: looks better, thanks
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15:40:02cereal_killerTorne: any news on the iPod SSD modification, or is rockbox on an iPod 5G with a mSATA SSD just not possible with a reasonable amount of work?
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15:40:54ikeboyBy the way, I have two fuze pluses, and one has the flickering bug and one not, must be the different screen like said earlier
15:41:12copperikeboy: flickering with thin black stripes?
15:41:16copperor just flickering?
15:41:23copperwithout graphical distortion
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15:42:40pamauryikeboy: I fixed this this morning, try with the latest build :)
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15:43:58ikeboyAm trying now
15:45:53ikeboyIt's more like the colors were off a little
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15:48:05ikeboyOkay it goes away with the new build
15:48:58amayeris there a reason why the iClassic cant use IAP?
15:49:04ikeboyIt's not really fickering for me, like a shade of orange instead of purple, and it looks more granulated somehow
15:49:44amayerIt has the #define IPOD_ACCESORY_PROTOCOL but its commented out
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18:30:02funmanmichaelni: I think saratoga is quite interested in FFmpeg decoders
18:30:23funmanI have seen some discussion here about importing the TAK decoder from FFmpeg
18:31:39funmanmichaelni: that patch, right?
18:32:10michaelnifunman, yes looks like the one i meant
18:33:03michaelniabout tak, thats more pauls area than mine
18:33:41funmanmichaelni: btw the channel is logged and saratoga reads the log so feel free to talk to him even if he's not there ^_^
18:34:52funmanI think also jhMikeS is working in decoders.. not sure who else as I'm not quite active anymore
18:36:54michaelnisaratoga, jhMikeS, theres a patchset about fixed point decoders on ffmpeg-devel, comments & reviews from you would be very welcome (see funmans link above)
18:37:20michaelni"0603 16:11 Nedeljko Babic (0.5K) [FFmpeg-devel] Fixed point implementations of AAC decoder, AC3 decoder and 32bit FFT"
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18:42:58saratogamichaelni: we have put so much work into making libfaad work efficiently !
18:47:10saratogamichaelni: for what its worth, that patch has its own fixed point FFT implementation (that i do not recognize), we have one that is algorithmically identical to the floating point FFMPEG one
18:49:02michaelnisaratoga, where can i find that fixed point fft ?
18:51:01saratogaugh the webclient does not track history from before files are copied
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18:52:22saratogahere is the tree before we moved it into its own lib:;a=tree;f=apps/codecs/lib;h=4d96a94d432e0d3dbeee88bc5b5573409ef0e662;hb=a0009907de7a0107d49040d8a180f140e2eff299
18:52:44saratogaFWIW, we can now compile rockbox codecs into a standalone linux decoder binary for testing, development, porting
18:53:16saratogawe hope this will make it easier for other people to try out our code who are not familiar with mp3 players
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18:58:51michaelnisaratoga, thanks, ive asked the patch authors to check/compare to rockboxs fixed point fft
18:59:17michaelnifor reference:
19:00:19saratogaone limitation of ours is that at some poitn we "optimized" it to share the trig tables with the MDCT in such a way that we could use the larger tables with smaller sizes
19:00:57saratogawe needed this to fit the trig values into SRAM on portable players, but it makes some of the memory access less regular than they need to be, so I suspect on newer processors without SRAM it will be less efficient
19:02:05michaelnidoesnt sound like that should affect the choice between the ffts / sounds not to hard to do/undo such change
19:02:45michaelnione concern i have though is quality, i remember nedelko had probles with the fixed point fft precission
19:03:21saratogaIIRC ours is accurate to > 16 bits
19:03:41michaelnithen its good
19:03:43saratogabut yes, that change should be reverted, however because of our switch to git i'm not even sure where it is :)
19:04:01saratogalet me see if i can find any of my notes
19:08:17saratogaunfortunately the pastebin with the fft error measurements has long since expired
19:08:32saratogaok have to go to a meeting, will check the logs
19:09:29michaelnisaratoga, ok, thx, also its not so important, i was just trying to find someone to review these fixed point /(mips) patches
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21:47:02max131i have a bricked sansa fuze plus here i want to recover from death
21:48:34max131searching around i found there should be a tool called mkimxboot, and use that one while the fuze+ is in recovery mode
21:48:37pamaury_max131: how did you do that ? how do you know it's "bricked" ?
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21:48:59max131well, i dropped it in the water a few months back
21:49:25max131and after an extensive period of drying, tried it again
21:50:07pamauryand now what happen ? does it turn on ?
21:50:20max131actually it cannot read the internal storage anymore when in bootloader USB mode
21:50:39pamauryhave you tried to boot the OF ?
21:51:00max131yes, it finally does turn on again
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21:51:44max131and booting into OF does work, but the OF says 'no content'
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21:52:48pamauryok, try to plug the USB cable and holding down at the same time to boot into OF usb mode
21:55:20pamauryit should appear as a disk on your system (Windows I guess ?)
21:56:09max131no, i'm running slackware linux
21:56:51max131actually plugging in the USB cable leads to the OF to reboot, then i enter in rockbox Bootloader USB mode
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21:57:19pamauryok, does it show up as a disk ? does your system mount it ?
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21:58:20max131no, it does not. lsusb says me it has ID 0781:74e1 SanDisk Corp.
21:58:50max131but fdisk -l does not give me an /dev/sdb device or something
21:59:07pamaurywhat is the output of dmesg ?
21:59:16pamaury(use to copy it)
21:59:32max131usb 3-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0781, idProduct=74e1 [ 2618.222320] usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 [ 2618.222326] usb 3-2: Product: Rockbox media player [ 2618.222331] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: [ 2618.225831] usb-storage: probe of 3-2:1.0 failed with error -5
21:59:47max131oops, sorry, only now see your reference to pastebin
22:01:34pamauryhum, ok, try to unplug usb, let the device power down, then hold volume down and while holding volume down, plug usb. It should boot into the OF in USB mode
22:04:19max131ah, that does seem to work, i've got it recognized, and showing the plain sansa files in dolphin!
22:06:32max131trying to install rockbox on it right now
22:08:56max131hmm, while extracting the zip, the fuze+ crashed, rebooted, and entered into Bootloader USB mode
22:09:25max131and loading rockbox crashed halfway thru
22:09:33max131i'll give it another try
22:09:47pamauryit seems there is a problem with the internal storage if even the OF crashes
22:11:09max131 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 15 3851519 7703010 b W95 FAT32
22:11:53pamaurymaybe try to reformat the partition
22:12:31max131do you mean from within the OF
22:13:34pamauryas you wish, usually random crash either occur from file system corruption or faulty hardware
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22:14:39max131well, rockbox got further in booting up now, the rockbox logo isn't corrupt anymore, and now says 'scanning disk ...'
22:25:29max131alright, i think this might be a battery issue too: it's nearly flat, so i'll try again later when it is fully charged,
22:26:05max131but i'm going to bed now, i'll keep you informed when it's back to life, if it ever gets back to life!
22:26:14max131thanks for your help pamaury!
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22:46:10TracyPI just picked up the MachSpeed Eclipse 180G2. It is not on any list. Is this something that has been looked at?
22:48:31pamauryTracyP: not that I know
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22:57:52pamauryTracyP: this is the usual step for a port:
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23:04:18TracyPpamaury: I will consider this at a later date. Thank you.
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23:20:42Guest52057I noticed your progress on mp3 players from "Creative". If I install the latest build into a "creative zen v", will anything be usable? Your irc logs show someone saying you might add it to the "unstable" list soon.
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23:27:34pamauryGuest52057: it's not in the trunk yet, main binary probably doesn't compile yet. All systems are working, the only but big problem left is that Creative it's own file system which is undocumented, so currently it would be unusable except if you reformat it, thus make the OF useless. We still have to come up with a clean solution there
23:27:52pamaury*uses it's own
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23:33:54Guest52057ok. I see you have datasheets for "STMP 37xx". Is that datasheet usabe for "STMP 3750"? I'm just wondering because an old message on the forum says that the "Sony Walkman E43x" has a processor called "STMP 3750". Would your datasheet make it very easy for someone to port rockbox to that Sony mp3 player? I know nothing of programming! I'm just wondering!
23:36:48pamaurySTMP3700 datasheet applies to STMP37xy < STMP3770, so yes
23:37:52pamaurythough to make a port a datasheet is not the only thing you need, you also need to disassemble the OF to figure out what is missing, it's not an easy tak. But I know that several sony walkman use this chip.
23:38:47pamauryThe main problem here is man power, I don't have the time to port Rockbox to all the existing targets in the world :)
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23:41:35Guest52057Thanks for the information. You guys are geniuses, so I'm surprised you all haven't completed the Android port. I don't even have an Android device, but it seems like a high-value target.
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23:47:20pamauryThe android port is working but I think the opinion there is that it's not ready yet and on android you hardly get a second chance, it has to be perfect
23:47:40pamauryand we have some competition with VLC ;)
23:48:59funmanpamaury: we are moving slowly so you still have your chance ;)

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