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| 02:39:21 | saratoga | does it make sense to pass in local variables to an assembly block, or should I try and find them on the stack somehow? |
| 02:51:13 | derf | Find them on the stack? |
| 02:51:21 | derf | How will you have any idea where the compiler put them? |
| 02:51:29 | derf | (some of them may not even exist) |
| 02:53:17 | saratoga | yeah i'm probably not remembering this correctly |
| 02:53:45 | saratoga | if i just want to have a scratch space in an assembly function, how do I allocate that space from inside the function? |
| 02:54:04 | saratoga | just use the addresses after the stack pointer? |
| 02:54:19 | derf | Personally I use local variables and pass them in. |
| 02:54:25 | derf | It seems much easier. |
| 02:54:37 | saratoga | i'd have to get them off the stack anyway though on ARM |
| 02:55:17 | derf | In any case, you _must_ adjust the stack pointer if you want to use the space on the stack. |
| 02:55:56 | saratoga | if i need to store a word, can I just use the next word above the current stack address? |
| 02:56:09 | derf | No. |
| 02:56:17 | saratoga | isn't that dead space? |
| 02:56:28 | derf | Your process could get sent a signal, and the signal handler will trash that memory. |
| 02:56:36 | derf | At any point. |
| 02:58:12 | saratoga | well in rockbox i don't think we have anything like that |
| 02:58:16 | derf | (maybe this is something you don't have to worry about on rockbox... I don't know enough about the kernel you run, but you have to worry about this everywhere else) |
| 02:58:17 | saratoga | but i guess that would be bad for portability |
| 02:58:47 | derf | Valgrind is even smart enough to complain. |
| 02:58:50 | saratoga | would it work if i incremented the stack pointer then? |
| 02:59:10 | derf | Yes. |
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| 03:00:52 | derf | But if you only need one word... are you really out of registers? |
| 03:03:16 | saratoga | i'm not sure yet |
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| 03:12:12 | [Saint] | saratoga: I'll likely get a response out of you on this, forgive my picking on you: SHould we be adjusting the volume level displayed to the user if precut is enabled? |
| 03:12:26 | [Saint] | _I_ think its a sane thing to do...but, yeah. |
| 03:12:30 | saratoga | i don't think so |
| 03:12:50 | [Saint] | Not to offend, but, could you clarify why? |
| 03:13:06 | saratoga | well its not obvious to me what you would adjust it to |
| 03:13:21 | saratoga | the precut is mostly for the EQ |
| 03:13:24 | saratoga | to compensate for gain there |
| 03:13:26 | [Saint] | Say the user wants line level, and have a preset with positive gain applied...what then? |
| 03:13:38 | saratoga | how to calculate how much positive gain the precut is balancing out? |
| 03:13:44 | [Saint] | 0dB wouldn;t *actually* be line level. |
| 03:14:00 | saratoga | 0dB is the gain from the headphone amp |
| 03:14:04 | saratoga | the digital gain is something else |
| 03:14:17 | [Saint] | I was just going to do volume+precut. But I guess it doesn't work how I'm thinking. |
| 03:14:38 | [Saint] | It just seems very wrong to me to not adjust the volume as displayed to the user if we're trimming NdB off it. |
| 03:16:29 | saratoga | its probably best to think of what the dB meter shows as volume, and precut as gain |
| 03:16:38 | [Saint] | If I use a precut of 12dB on the Classic, for instance, the theoretical max volume is then 0dB, but the max volume displayed to the user will still be 12dB, which you would expect to clip...but, it wouldn't, because it isn't really +12dB. |
| 03:16:41 | [Saint] | ...you dig? |
| 03:16:54 | [Saint] | Or, am I worrying too much? |
| 03:18:51 | [Saint] | I thought it would be slightly less confusing to just display the volume as volume+precut. |
| 03:19:24 | [Saint] | Then you wouldn't display values that for all intents should clip, were they not precut. |
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| 03:23:10 | [Saint] | I wasn't quite sure how adjusting the volume in this fashion would affect graphical volume displays in the skin engine, but I was hoping JdGordon would help me there if I needed it. Nedge nudge. |
| 03:23:27 | [Saint] | But, if its really not as sane an idea as I suspected. Meh. |
| 03:23:37 | JdGordon | arg, gimme a tl;dr (in pm if you want) |
| 03:25:40 | saratoga | thats only the case if you assume that no other digital processing is happening, if you have replaygain or eq or whatever you might get clipping before (or after) 0dB |
| 03:26:26 | [Saint] | Hmmm. That's a solid point. |
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| 05:51:58 | st4rl | Can someone help me with my iPod Video 80GB? |
| 05:52:22 | [Saint] | Only if you ask a question first. |
| 05:52:59 | st4rl | Is it normal that my iPod is slown when I listen to music with the EQ on? |
| 05:53:26 | st4rl | *slow |
| 05:53:36 | [Saint] | Yes. If you have all 10 bands applied. |
| 05:53:58 | [Saint] | The CPU in the iPod 5G isn't particularly powerful, at all. |
| 05:54:45 | [Saint] | It is advisable to use as little bands as possible in the EQ, or, just use the Bass/Trebel settings. |
| 05:55:11 | st4rl | ok thanks for your help |
| 05:55:33 | [Saint] | Some targets are perfectly capable of realtime playback with all 10 bands of the EQ applied. The 5/5.5G iPod isn't one of those. |
| 05:55:38 | [Saint] | Not a problem. |
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| 05:56:39 | [Saint] | Other effects will also have an impact on CPU usage. |
| 05:57:02 | [Saint] | Dithering, timestretch, etc. |
| 05:59:18 | [Saint] | The iPod 5/5.5G (and other, similar targets, like the 4G/Color/Photo, and Nano1G) is capable of realtime playback of MP3@320 with all 10 bands of the EQ applied according to my tests, but that is with no other effects enabled, and it is only *just* capable of it. |
| 05:59:38 | [Saint] | The UI suffers quite dramatically at times. |
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| 06:49:16 | JdGordon | [Saint]: the ping before? shold i be reading the previous log or saratoga asnwered you? |
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| 08:06:46 | profus2 | if so, I would be grateful for any hints/tips how to solve this problem, thank you |
| 08:07:12 | profus2 | btw: done some reading and searching already, but did not find anything useful |
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| 09:58:19 | trollin420 | any body there need help with rockbox please |
| 09:58:46 | copper | trollin420: ask your question, if someone knows the answer, they'll reply, now or later |
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| 10:00:09 | trollin420 | man im just having an issue on occasion. I have rockbox on a new ipod classic that I got back in march and ill be listenin to some music and rockbox just freezes up and sends a really loud hum into my headphone |
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| 10:01:01 | trollin420 | it really can be annoyin lol vibin to some tunes and it just starts this loud hum and u have to hard reset it each time |
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| 10:02:26 | copper | trollin420: how did you install Rockbox on your iPod Classic? |
| 10:06:07 | trollin420 | oh man let me think there was manual and automatic way right |
| 10:06:34 | trollin420 | oh hey i remember |
| 10:06:39 | trollin420 | with itunes |
| 10:06:55 | copper | trollin420: you install *Rockbox* with iTunes? |
| 10:06:58 | copper | installed* |
| 10:07:01 | trollin420 | yes |
| 10:07:11 | copper | Hmmm, no you didn't. |
| 10:07:15 | trollin420 | just comin back to me lol this was like 3 months |
| 10:07:36 | trollin420 | i did man wtf |
| 10:07:38 | copper | iTunes is Apple software, and you can't install Rockbox with iTunes. |
| 10:07:55 | trollin420 | i got the driver from there copper |
| 10:08:07 | copper | trollin420: did you install http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE ? |
| 10:09:17 | trollin420 | oh the emcore was with itunes |
| 10:09:32 | copper | what? |
| 10:09:33 | trollin420 | thats what i was thinking |
| 10:10:01 | trollin420 | from here http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/DFUiTunes |
| 10:10:53 | copper | ok, I was trying to determine if your iPod was indeed an iPod Classic |
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| 10:11:11 | copper | and not an older iPod (people often confuse them) |
| 10:11:45 | copper | trollin420: try installing the latest Rockbox build: http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip |
| 10:12:12 | trollin420 | has a new one came out since march cuz thats about when i installed everything? |
| 10:12:34 | copper | no but you didn't say if you bought it first hand or second hand |
| 10:13:07 | copper | and the Rockbox builds and procedures are very different for the Classic and older iPods |
| 10:13:13 | trollin420 | brand new first hand |
| 10:13:32 | copper | note that for now, the iPod Classic port of Rockbox is labeled "unusable" |
| 10:13:37 | trollin420 | its the newest 160 gb |
| 10:13:41 | copper | yup |
| 10:14:20 | copper | to install the latest build, download the zip file that I linked to |
| 10:14:24 | trollin420 | unusable in what exact way could u elaborate? with freezing and what not on the latest generation ipods |
| 10:14:45 | copper | connect the iPod via USB, mount the hard drive, and unpack the zip file at the root of the mounted HDD |
| 10:15:09 | copper | trollin420: "unusable" is a Rockbox label, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's actually unusable |
| 10:15:18 | copper | it just means they don't want to advertise its use |
| 10:15:28 | copper | because there are still some problems to overcome |
| 10:15:50 | Zagor | it says right on the front page "Work has begun on porting Rockbox to these players, but much remains before they are usable" |
| 10:16:10 | trollin420 | oh have you heard of issues like that im having with it getting hosed up and sending a hum through the headphones |
| 10:16:19 | copper | not me |
| 10:16:38 | trollin420 | i have rockbox 3.13 already i remember that much |
| 10:16:47 | copper | that's not possible |
| 10:17:04 | copper | rockbox 3.13 is the stable version for "usable" devices, and the Classic isn't one of them |
| 10:17:48 | trollin420 | oh lol well whats the latest classic build when was that released? |
| 10:17:58 | trollin420 | thats the one i should have |
| 10:17:59 | [Saint] | there never was one |
| 10:18:25 | [Saint] | There has never been any release for the Classic. |
| 10:19:07 | Zagor | only development builds |
| 10:19:28 | [Saint] | System->Rockbob Info will tell you what version you're running. |
| 10:19:37 | [Saint] | *Rockbox, even. :) |
| 10:20:03 | trollin420 | thanks saint its probably the ipod photo or whatever im not technically sound with this stuff |
| 10:20:10 | [Saint] | emCORE will also display the version number briefly during boot. But that can be hard to catch. |
| 10:20:19 | trollin420 | lets see here |
| 10:20:42 | [Saint] | If it has emCORE, its definitely not the Photo/4G |
| 10:21:16 | [Saint] | It could only be one of two devices in that case. And I'm fairly sure you'd know if it was a Nano 2G |
| 10:21:50 | trollin420 | 160 gb classic |
| 10:22:20 | [Saint] | You can get the latest build from this link at all times: http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip |
| 10:22:22 | trollin420 | r31516-120101 |
| 10:22:35 | [Saint] | Yeah, that build is fairly old. |
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| 10:22:44 | copper | you're using the build that emCORE distributes |
| 10:22:48 | copper | it's 18 months old |
| 10:22:50 | trollin420 | oh really |
| 10:22:52 | [Saint] | The link above will always point to the current development build. |
| 10:22:57 | copper | from january first, 2012 |
| 10:23:09 | [Saint] | copper: ah, indeed. Good catch. |
| 10:23:14 | [Saint] | That build is *ancient*. |
| 10:23:45 | [Saint] | There has been many improvements for the Classic since then. |
| 10:23:53 | trollin420 | is it a pain in the ass to upgrade cuz before i had to use my neighbors pc to install emcore and rockbox my pc wouldnt recognize the dfu driver and shit |
| 10:24:03 | Zagor | trollin420: the 120101 part is the date of the build |
| 10:24:06 | copper | trollin420: that's no longer required |
| 10:24:12 | gevaerts | You don't need dfu to *upgrade* |
| 10:24:12 | copper | since emcore is already installed |
| 10:24:15 | [Saint] | No. Simply extract the .zip from the link I gave above to the root of the device. |
| 10:24:17 | [Saint] | that is all. |
| 10:24:34 | [Saint] | then after you disconnect USB it will prompt to reboot, reboot, and you're updated. |
| 10:24:43 | copper | trollin420: plug the iPod into a USB port of your PC and mount it like a USB HDD |
| 10:24:48 | trollin420 | awesome it all my playlists and files will seamlessly integrate with the new rockbox version? |
| 10:24:55 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 10:25:01 | trollin420 | great news |
| 10:25:14 | trollin420 | maybe it will stop freezing then im hoping |
| 10:25:20 | [Saint] | There will also be a reasonable increase in battery life. |
| 10:25:33 | Zagor | maybe you'll get new fascinating bugs instead ;-) |
| 10:25:34 | copper | and a 10 band EQ! |
| 10:25:36 | [Saint] | But the "Fat Classic" has such a huge battery anyway it is kinda hard to noticed. |
| 10:25:47 | copper | [Saint]: he likely has the thin model |
| 10:25:58 | copper | i.e. the latest one |
| 10:26:07 | copper | since he bought it new in march |
| 10:26:11 | [Saint] | AH. Yeah. I always assume the Fat Classic when I hear 160GB. |
| 10:26:25 | trollin420 | lol the humming bug with highly sensitive earbuds loud ass shit in your ear hopefully this will fix that |
| 10:26:30 | * | [Saint] <3 the CEATA 160GB "Fat" |
| 10:27:07 | [Saint] | Using it right now actually. |
| 10:27:17 | copper | trollin420: what OS are you running? Windows? |
| 10:27:39 | copper | Linux? OS X? |
| 10:28:09 | trollin420 | windows |
| 10:28:28 | copper | then plug your iPod via USB, it'll show as a regular external hard drive |
| 10:28:49 | copper | unpack the zip file at the root of that hard drive |
| 10:28:56 | copper | do you understand "root"? |
| 10:29:08 | trollin420 | yes root directory |
| 10:29:11 | copper | ok |
| 10:29:36 | copper | whatever unpacking software you use, tell it to overwrite existing files |
| 10:29:53 | copper | don't worry, your settings and playlists won't be overwritten |
| 10:29:56 | trollin420 | oh i was just gona cut and paste it |
| 10:31:02 | [Saint] | The only major issue with the recent builds is that your iPod /might/ not mount. But you can always (hopefully) mount the device by booting into the emCORE main menu (hold any key during boot if you have fastboot enabled), then select the Tools->Run Rockbox Fallback Image menu item. |
| 10:31:13 | copper | I guess that's ok too, just tell Windows Explorer to overwrite files |
| 10:31:27 | [Saint] | Its best not to cut and paste. |
| 10:31:42 | [Saint] | extract to destination ensures everything gets updated correctly. |
| 10:31:57 | trollin420 | ok ill extract thats cool |
| 10:32:09 | [Saint] | user error here can make interesting things happen. best to just avoid it and extract to destination. |
| 10:32:22 | [Saint] | Rockbox Utility is also capable of updating the Classic. |
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| 10:32:28 | [Saint] | You may want to use that instead. |
| 10:33:09 | [Saint] | (in the future, whatever. it can backup the current install and upgrade to the latest) |
| 10:35:04 | [Saint] | Do let someone here know if updating doesn't fix you issue, though. |
| 10:35:15 | trollin420 | 277d358 130618 |
| 10:35:23 | trollin420 | is that the latest then? |
| 10:35:51 | [Saint] | If you downloading it from the link I gave you, then, yes. |
| 10:35:59 | copper | look at the date |
| 10:36:03 | trollin420 | k yea i did |
| 10:36:07 | copper | yymmdd |
| 10:36:20 | copper | i.e. june 18, 2013 |
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| 10:37:11 | trollin420 | wait i thought it was from january 2012 the latest or is that emcore lol confused |
| 10:37:21 | [Saint] | I think the hash is the most interesting part. |
| 10:37:48 | [Saint] | there can be several builds a day with the same date. But only one with each hash. http://www.rockbox.org/since-release.html |
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| 10:38:59 | trollin420 | shit i get it i had the january 2012 lol |
| 10:39:19 | [Saint] | That's the version emCORE installs. |
| 10:39:27 | [Saint] | So, I suppose it has never been updated. |
| 10:40:34 | trollin420 | oh so emcore hasnt been updated for the classic or has never had a version specifically for the classic... tryna understand |
| 10:41:18 | [Saint] | There hasn't been an update for emCORE for the Classic since the version you have installed, no. |
| 10:41:50 | trollin420 | one more thing um the sound settings is that all defaults now? |
| 10:41:57 | [Saint] | No. |
| 10:42:04 | [Saint] | Your settings are all still there. |
| 10:42:48 | trollin420 | nice thanks saint |
| 10:42:56 | [Saint] | updating doesn't replace or remove any config files. |
| 10:43:13 | [Saint] | or user data |
| 10:44:43 | [Saint] | In future you might want to look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility |
| 10:45:29 | trollin420 | ok |
| 10:45:43 | [Saint] | Its a graphical tool capable of performing a range of tasks. Updating, backup, restore, them installation/removal, etc. |
| 10:45:56 | [Saint] | *theme installation |
| 10:46:32 | [Saint] | As well as the font set and game files for Rockdoom. |
| 10:47:00 | [Saint] | and voice files and talk clips if TTS is your thing. |
| 10:47:56 | copper | text-to-speech* |
| 10:48:24 | [Saint] | The only thing it can't handle is the installation/removal of emCORE. |
| 10:53:45 | trollin420 | hey is there a way to expand the album art full screen |
| 10:59:05 | copper | trollin420: you can change the theme |
| 10:59:16 | copper | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipodvideo |
| 10:59:46 | trollin420 | oh ok that could make the album art larger your saying? |
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| 11:03:13 | copper | the size of the artwork depends on the theme |
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| 11:10:15 | copper | to install a theme, do like with a rockbox build archive: extract the zip file in the root directory of your iPod |
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| 11:12:06 | trollin420 | thanks found another theme to try |
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| 11:20:07 | copper | aaaaw |
| 11:20:09 | copper | "Note: You can only use a %format string for formatting the title of a track, it cannot be used for formatting within the album hierarchy" |
| 11:20:15 | copper | that's too bad :( |
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| 17:54:46 | lebellium | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive//rockbox-archive-2013-06/0017.shtml |
| 17:54:57 | lebellium | I don't know why the R0 was added to unusable |
| 17:55:02 | lebellium | it was only unstable at first |
| 17:55:56 | lebellium | and there is no reason for this "downgrade" |
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| 18:13:39 | saratoga | should i reduce the number of EQ bands on slower targets? |
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| 18:13:52 | saratoga | seems to be a regular problem for users of older devices |
| 18:15:00 | saratoga | i love it when people post patches for ports to devices i've never even heard of :) |
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| 18:27:48 | lebellium | saratoga: are you talking about the YP-Z5? |
| 18:28:07 | saratoga | yeah |
| 18:29:38 | lebellium | the Z5 is the first real iPod Nano killer, released in Z5. The UI has been designed by Paul Mercer who also designed the UI of the 1st iPod. It sold over 1 million units and was the 1st Samsung player to get a real community with its own forum etc. |
| 18:29:43 | lebellium | released in 2006* |
| 18:31:15 | DarthFrog | Is RockboxUtility useful with an Ipod Classic 7th gen? |
| 18:34:07 | saratoga | it won't install emcore if thats what you mean |
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| 18:37:13 | DarthFrog | No, just generally. I have already installed emCore and Rockbox on it. |
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| 18:40:00 | saratoga | i think everything else will work with the 6/7g |
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| 18:40:34 | DarthFrog | thanks. I'm using it to update Rockbox on the Ipod now. |
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| 19:52:29 | dunpeal | Hi. I just installed Rockbox. I have a large root directory with lots of subdirectories containing MP3 files. Can I turn that whole directory into a playlist that can can be stopped and resumed? |
| 19:58:44 | gevaerts | Yes. You can add the directory to the playlist (recursively) |
| 19:58:55 | gevaerts | That's somewhere in the context menu |
| 19:58:56 | dunpeal | gevaerts: thanks! that does work. |
| 19:59:02 | dunpeal | yes, INSERT |
| 19:59:11 | dunpeal | another question though: what should I do with audiobooks? |
| 19:59:21 | gevaerts | Listen to them? :) |
| 19:59:33 | dunpeal | That makes sense ;) Should I just create a playlist for them? |
| 19:59:53 | gevaerts | I do that, yes. I also use bookmarking for those |
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| 20:00:13 | gevaerts | Well, I use bookmarking for everything, and ignore the bookmark files for non-audiobook-like stuff |
| 20:01:40 | dunpeal | gevaerts: do multiple playlists save their position? |
| 20:01:57 | dunpeal | i.e. can I have multiple playlists that are resumable from the point I last stopped? |
| 20:03:05 | gevaerts | Playlists as such don't do that, but bookmarks do |
| 20:03:19 | gevaerts | I'd recommend reading the chapter on bookmarks in the manual |
| 20:03:39 | copper | saratoga: seems like PortalPlayer iPods are too slow too |
| 20:03:40 | gevaerts | Basically a bookmark is a playlist+position (and past positions) combination |
| 20:03:54 | dunpeal | gevaerts: that sounds good, actually |
| 20:04:31 | gevaerts | You can add bookmarks manually, or you can tell rockbox to automatically bookmark on stop |
| 20:04:56 | gevaerts | And then, if you enable the recent bookmarks feature, you can browse recent bookmarks right from the main menu |
| 20:07:26 | dunpeal | this is awesome |
| 20:08:54 | dunpeal | I love Rockbox |
| 20:10:32 | dunpeal | gevaerts: does rockbox have an application / feature to do announced timer? |
| 20:10:43 | dunpeal | basically, I want to be able to set it to alert me in N minutes |
| 20:10:51 | gevaerts | Hmm, no |
| 20:11:12 | gevaerts | You could abuse the sleep timer for that, but stopping playback is a weird kind of signal |
| 20:11:18 | saratoga | how is the 10 band EQ on Coldfire? |
| 20:12:47 | dunpeal | gevaerts: damn, there's a chess clock in plugins!!! |
| 20:13:07 | dunpeal | the chess clock actually does it, but it doesn't provide announcements |
| 20:13:23 | * | gevaerts remembers finding a bug in that a while ago :) |
| 20:16:24 | dunpeal | gevaerts: I can just write / hack it on my own... it's in Java, right? |
| 20:17:12 | gevaerts | C |
| 20:21:30 | saratoga | i'm tempted to make the 10 band EQ ARM >=v5E and MIPS only |
| 20:22:23 | gevaerts | saratoga: does a parametric EQ with more than five bands actually make sense at all? |
| 20:24:12 | saratoga | no its literally pointless |
| 20:24:39 | copper | not entirely, IMO |
| 20:24:44 | copper | my desktop EQ has ten bands |
| 20:25:02 | gevaerts | copper: EQ or parametric EQ? |
| 20:25:03 | saratoga | yeah but its probably not parametric |
| 20:25:08 | bertrik | well then we need to go to eleven |
| 20:25:14 | copper | having ten bands on Rockbox allows me to just copy the desktop settings without having to figure out how to properly convert 10 bands into 5 bands |
| 20:25:37 | saratoga | it also massively increases the battery draw |
| 20:25:40 | gevaerts | Technically we could have a plugin to help with that |
| 20:25:46 | copper | that would be nice |
| 20:26:39 | saratoga | usually parametric EQs are 3 or 5 band, while non-parametric are 10 or 21 band |
| 20:26:44 | copper | or even just a chapter in the documentation on how to do that |
| 20:26:48 | saratoga | since you need a lot more bands if you can't adjust their width |
| 20:27:22 | copper | maybe a web form where I could fill in the 10 band values, and it would output 5 band values |
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| 20:28:18 | copper | saratoga: not parametric indeed |
| 20:28:34 | saratoga | a real-time plot of the EQ response in rockbox would be nice |
| 20:28:37 | * | gevaerts isn't sure how tricky such a convertor would be |
| 20:28:46 | gevaerts | But yes, a plot would definitely help |
| 20:29:32 | copper | for the Clip+, before the 10 band EQ patch, I ran RMAA every time I changed a value, to see how it would match my 10 band EQ |
| 20:29:36 | copper | very cumbersome |
| 20:29:41 | copper | lots of trial and error |
| 20:31:32 | dunpeal | gevaerts: I have to save a playlist before I bookmark it, right? |
| 20:31:38 | gevaerts | No |
| 20:32:19 | dunpeal | you mean, I can have a per-directory bookmark |
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| 20:32:35 | dunpeal | but if a book consists of multiple subdirectories |
| 20:33:02 | gevaerts | A new bookmark file corresponds to your current dynamic playlist |
| 20:33:57 | dunpeal | sure, but I can only have one dynamic playlist at a time, no? |
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| 20:34:23 | dunpeal | I should probably just RTFM :) |
| 20:34:29 | gevaerts | Yes, but a bookmark essentially saves that to disk |
| 20:35:21 | dunpeal | What's a better player for Rockbox, incidentally? Clip Zip, or Clip+? |
| 20:35:46 | funman | both are the best |
| 20:35:48 | dunpeal | actually, in general, what's a great player for Rockbox? I care about battery life |
| 20:36:00 | funman | zip or + |
| 20:36:12 | dunpeal | I like them a lot, only problem is battery life is not great |
| 20:36:40 | gevaerts | iaudio M5L |
| 20:36:40 | dunpeal | I think it's ~15 hours for a fresh one, and it degrades pretty fast, at least has for me in the past with stock firmware |
| 20:36:47 | gevaerts | Good luck finding one though |
| 20:37:45 | gevaerts | I believe the fuze+ gets around 30 hours these days |
| 20:38:01 | dunpeal | Fuze has better battery life, but unfortunately it has this weird connector |
| 20:38:09 | bertrik | but it has a horrible touch interface last I remember |
| 20:38:17 | dunpeal | wow, 30 hours. I have Fuze+ too, the touch interface is terrible |
| 20:38:27 | dunpeal | bertrik: yup, but doesn't Rockbox take care of that? |
| 20:39:06 | bertrik | not sure, I don't think so |
| 20:39:11 | dunpeal | in general, stock firmware for Fuze+ is even more terrible than Sandisk's usually low standards |
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| 20:39:34 | dunpeal | according to the homepage, Fuze+ is "Unstable" |
| 20:40:25 | dunpeal | regular Fuzes are working though. you can't get a new one cheaply, but I have a few old ones. |
| 20:42:19 | bertrik | possibly the fuze is actually the nicest sansa player, decent screen, AMS chipset, not too big/heavy |
| 20:44:10 | bertrik | fuze v2 seems to have 20+ hours runtime |
| 20:45:22 | dunpeal | right, too bad they "upgraded" it to the horrible Fuze+ |
| 20:46:01 | dunpeal | I don't think anyone likes the Fuze+... right now it's at the same price point of the Clip+, which is so much worse hardware-wise |
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| 20:55:23 | copper | Rockbox works great with the Fuze+ |
| 20:55:39 | copper | very usable, even with the touch pad |
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| 20:57:33 | dunpeal | going to try that. nothing to lose; I haven't touched it since purchase :) |
| 20:58:01 | dunpeal | it's just sitting there, a brand new Fuze+ that hasn't been turned on since purchase |
| 20:58:10 | lebellium | "I don't think anyone likes the Fuze+." That's what I thought before discussing here with pamaury and copper ahaha |
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| 21:00:07 | dunpeal | I actually agree with bertrik. even if RB works perfectly, Fuze+ is so much more bulky than Fuze 2 |
| 21:00:33 | dunpeal | Fuze 2 is still the best player all around, only advantage of Fuze+ is the connector is standard micro USB |
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| 21:02:31 | copper | bulky?? |
| 21:02:47 | copper | the Fuze+ is smaller than an iPod Classic, and much more light-weight |
| 21:03:02 | copper | you don't feel it sitting in your pocket |
| 21:03:29 | copper | it's very light |
| 21:03:58 | dunpeal | it's all relative :) Fuze+ isn't huge, but it's larger than Fuze 2, which for me is the ideal size. |
| 21:04:04 | amayer | i had both a fuze+ and a iclassic and i prefer the classic. i think its the touchpad that puts me off |
| 21:04:11 | copper | 64 grams |
| 21:04:44 | copper | vs 140 grams for the iPod Classic |
| 21:05:03 | copper | anything smaller is hard to use for me |
| 21:05:15 | copper | can't get a good grip on the Clip+ |
| 21:05:25 | copper | it's like a child's toy |
| 21:05:46 | copper | a small child* |
| 21:06:31 | copper | the Classic is laggy because of its HDD, which needs to be spun up whenever you access the filesystem |
| 21:08:15 | copper | also, the portrait mode display on the Fuze+ is a lot more convenient than the landscape mode of the Fuze v2 |
| 21:08:47 | copper | and usability of the touch pad on the Fuze+ is fine with Rockbox |
| 21:08:54 | copper | it's nothing like the OF |
| 21:09:16 | copper | the page up / page down bindings are very useful when browsing large collections |
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| 21:29:08 | dunpeal | It seems there are individual manuals for each player model. As an RB newbie, is there a "general" manual I should read? |
| 21:29:36 | dunpeal | Or do I just read the one for my model, and assume all manuals are the same + small player-specific delta. |
| 21:29:43 | bertrik | the latter |
| 21:30:23 | dunpeal | thanks |
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| 21:54:19 | wodz | pamaury: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,33951.msg219609/topicseen.html#msg219609 |
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| 22:05:15 | lorenzo92 | dunpeal: yp-r0 battery life is about 25 hrs with rockbox |
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