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#rockbox log for 2013-07-03

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13:15:09boris66Hello. Is there anyway to diagnose why a file doesn't play in rockbox? I've got m4a files in one directory which play and some in another which do not
13:15:53funmanmediainfo can give your informations on the files
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13:24:03boris66No. I meant more via rockbox itself. The file I am trying to play is encoded like this...
13:24:05boris66 Duration: 00:04:54.22, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 832 kb/s
13:24:05boris66 Stream #0.0(und): Audio: alac, 44100 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 831 kb/s
13:26:00copperALAC is supported, it should play fine
13:26:03dfktthere's the "file info" item in the context menu, but i don't know if it displays the codecs inside the container
13:26:47funmanlook at debug menu perhaps? buffering thread?
13:26:57funmanis it rejected ?
13:27:18boris66it just skips over the files in the directory one by one
13:28:56coppercan you upload one of those files somewhere?
13:32:37boris66is there something like pastebin for non-text files?
13:33:38coppergoogle drive
13:33:47boris66without signup?
13:35:05boris66found one. sec
13:36:50pixelmathe sim gives debug info (sometimes, not sure currently about the when, why and how)
13:37:59coppersorry, gotta go, bbl
13:39:59boris66ahh. damn.
13:40:04boris66well the link is
13:42:59copperplays fine on my Clip+
13:44:08copperfoobar2000 says the file is fine
13:44:27boris66weird. what software version is on your clip+?
13:44:47boris66I have 3.13
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13:53:30pixelmatry updating to a dev build
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13:56:35copperI think I have v3.12 on my Clip+
14:03:17wodz_pamaury: I wrote some generic sd code loosely inspired by linux sdmmc subsystem. As expected the code doesn't work yet but I found it difficult to figure out why because inserting panicf() or other simple debug means into sd initialization function does not print anything. Do you have any idea why it can be so?
14:04:41pamaurywodz_: what do you mean doesn't print ? isn't the lcd active ? can't you use lgof ?
14:04:54pamaurysorry, logf over serial ?
14:06:32wodz_rk27xx doesn't have serial
14:06:43wodz_well it has but the lines are shared with lcd
14:07:16pamauryand cannot you use logf ? just boot, it will fail and you can read the logf buffer
14:07:44wodz_If I remove panicf() I get rb logo and then it hangs, with panicf() it simply hangs with black screen
14:08:37wodz_pamaury: You need to be able to reach System->Debug to read logf buffer, no?
14:09:08pamauryyes, maybe you need to hack main() to avoid the hang
14:10:48pamauryit's weird though that panic doesn't work
14:13:03wodz_this always worked for me as the most lowlevel debug method until today
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14:18:22wodz_how to use ramdisk so I could debug main storage subsystem?
14:20:05lorenzo92pamaury: well, weird or not, I had a similar issue when trying to debug Z5 -> NO panicf
14:20:33lorenzo92wodz_: good question. I would also be interested hum
14:24:26pamaurywodz_: in storage_config add STORAGE_RAM, I think that's mostly it
14:25:49wodz_will try when I get back home
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14:38:35boris66copper: thx
14:38:53wodz_hmm, it seems to pass sd_init() and fails on sector transfer function which is a good sign. But it is rather peculiar that panicf() doesn't work
14:41:24boris66is it possible to use the installer to install an older version?
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14:50:15copperboris66: I'll try v3.13 in a few minutes
15:00:51copperboris66: actually my Clip+ is already running 3.13
15:01:26boris66weirder and weirder
15:02:18boris66what else could affect it?
15:02:38gevaertsHave you checked the filesystem?
15:02:46boris66in what way?
15:06:24boris66fsck.vfat /dev/sdc
15:06:24boris66dosfsck 3.0.14, 23 Jan 2023, FAT32, LFN // FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ? // 1) Use first FAT // 2) Use second FAT
15:06:53boris66Ok. That has me completely lost!
15:11:21wodz_you need -a or -r to fsck take acutal effect
15:11:37wodz_'Note: If -a and -r are absent, the filesystem is only checked, but not repaired.'
15:12:17boris66It's ok. fixed the filesystem now. However, problem still remains. Removing all the media and rerunning fsck then trying to sync the media again
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15:26:13boris66Ok. I think I've found it.
15:27:15boris66rhythmbox I think is reencoding the files on syncing, but keeping the filenames the same. The file I put on wiki was the original but I've md5sumed the files and they are different on rockbox.
15:27:41boris66what should my .is_audio_player look like for rockbox?
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15:37:19jlbiasinihi all! I'm trying to build the recorder's simulator (fm version) but the configure script give me "configure didn't find sdl-config, which indicates that youdon't have SDL (properly) installed." I've installed the cross compiling for archos and added /usr/local/bin to my path... What am I still missing?
15:38:20jlbiasinidistro = debian Jessie
15:38:47[Saint]probaly libsdl1.2-dev
15:39:55wodz_jlbiasini: for simulator you don't need crosscompiler
15:40:12wodz_you need host sdlSOMETHING-dev package
15:41:22jlbiasiniwell actually this makes sense, if one want to think 2 second before copy pasting stuff from wiki :D cross compiling is for another target... Stupid me
15:41:40[Saint]pull in libsdl1.2-dev, and it should "Just Work".
15:46:41copperboris66: analyze the file on the sdcard
15:48:05jlbiasini[Saint]: ohoh there seems to be a dependency problem on this paquet for jessie
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15:50:35copperboris66: what is their size?
15:50:53lorenzo92pamaury: yes indeed but it doesn't create a filesystem on it nor it's possible to r/w it from the I missing something?
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15:51:36boris66copper: yeah.. the native file is 'ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, iTunes AAC-LC' and the file on the disk is 'ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2'. However, they both have the same m4a extension.
15:51:51copperyes, AAC and ALAC have the same extension
15:51:59boris66md5sums and file sizes are different.
15:51:59copperdo you know what ALAC is?
15:53:49boris66just trying to work out how to get rhythmbox to put the files on the damn thing unmodified. do you use a .is_audio_player file? you're on windows aren't you?
15:54:06copperno and no
15:54:15copperjust use your filemanager
15:54:46coppercd /path/to/my/files && cp -anv * /media/clip/
15:55:20boris66yeah. but then I lose the nice playlist management and selectively installing the audio I need to meet the playlists
15:55:38copperbtw, ALAC is Apple Lossless
15:55:49copperdo you really want to put lossless files on your Clip+?
15:56:51boris66I'm not intending to fill it up. Is there a performance penalty?
15:59:20coppernot really
15:59:23jlbiasiniwell the only sdl dev package that didn't breaks apt on my system is libsdl2-dev but it doesn't solve the issue
16:03:27jlbiasiniok I've got it working: there was a conflict between libjpeg-turbo8-dev and libjpeg-dev
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16:04:05jlbiasinithe solution was to install first libjpeg8-dev and then libsdl1.2-dev
16:04:18pamaurylorenzo92: you should be able to r/w from it from usb, but it is not formatted initially of course
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16:27:40pixelmajlbiasini: I'm not sure if the fm screen gets simulated correctly, at least the recording functionality *probably* won't be. Were you the one trying to implement the keylock in the FM screen?
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16:33:21pixelmaok, the FM screen is there (just tested via rasher's windows sims), recording from this screen isn't (at least pressing F3 as documented in the manual to start recording) doesn't lead to a change in the display
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16:35:20pixelmaIMO seeing the effect of everything available in the FM screen would be important to know if a possible key (combo) clashes with something else, especially in the OndioFM case
16:41:49jlbiasinipixelma: yes I just test both recorder and ondio
16:43:17jlbiasiniit seems usuable to me. The only trick is to press button simultanely or to press them in the right order to avoid launching other action (nothing very annoying anyway)
16:44:37pixelmacan you get it to show something recording related? In the case of our hwcodec targets you record radio from the fm screen unlike on the swcodec targets. That's why a few more button (combos) are already taken
16:45:07jlbiasinioups I didn't know about that
16:45:11pixelmawhich I seem to cannot see in an FM Recorder sim
16:45:49jlbiasinibut wouldn't it be from the recording screen? Lock is only in the fm one
16:46:54pixelmano, recording radio is from the FM screen on these. That's quite a big difference I know.
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16:49:42jlbiasinipixelma: on the recorder I just checked the manual and recording radio is with F3/off/play while lock will be F1 + button down
16:50:42pixelmawell yes, probably not a big problem with the Recorder pad, the Ondio one though...
16:53:17jlbiasinion ondio recording is controller by mode and on/off button (according to the manual) while lock will be menu + button down
16:53:52wodz_jlbiasini: this might not be the problem here but are you aware that not all combo combinations are allowed on various targets due to hw design?
16:54:21jlbiasinioups no!
16:54:44pixelmahmm, and I believe that's not simulated either
16:55:07jlbiasiniAnyway I was thinking to set a mail on the news letter to ask for testers before considering comitting, pamaury was quite affirmative about it
16:55:12wodz_yes it is not simulated
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16:55:22pixelmaIIRC, on Ondio you can combine "mode" with everything though
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16:56:20jlbiasiniwe have to find some tester
16:56:29pixelma"mode + down" is already the keylock combo in the WPS, so maybe the suggestion isn't that bad at all
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16:57:09jlbiasiniwell I'm stupid I should have mentioned before all combo used are the same as in the WPS
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16:58:55pixelmamaking sure that everything works correctly with the combos isn't that easy though (I mean things like having it not trigger on the just the simple pressing of "mode" before you hold the other button etc., or that short press and long press actions don't interfere there)
17:00:10pixelma"double press Mode to start recording the currently playing station"... well that seems like a very specific case...
17:01:08jlbiasiniyes it also appeared strange to me
17:03:26jlbiasinipixelma: anyway I made the whole keymaps of the fuze+ alone and I'm very well aware of all the implication of a keymaps change! If we find testers we'll consider merging it; if not it means those changes are not that urgent anyway...
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18:14:43dowdleOk, I hope someone here can help me. I have a SanDisk Sansa Clip Zip that I've had RockBox on for a long time... and I thought I'd put the current version (I was a few behind) on it today. Somehow it is screwed up and flashing "Undefined instru" etc. Any way to recover from this?
18:15:27dowdleIt got screwed up after I attempted to install the new version. The install failed because it said it didn't have proper write access to the device.
18:15:47dowdleI did back up the device before trying the upgrade... so hopefully I have a good backup.
18:16:29dowdleAnyone here have a clue as to how to help... or should I just persue the manufacturer's website?
18:16:36dowdleI do have a copy of the original firmware.
18:17:34amayerdowdle: does the device still boot?
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18:18:16dowdleamayer: No, the screen on it flashes "Unfefined instruc" and I can't seem to be able to even turn it off or reset it.
18:19:03dowdleamayer: And my computer no longer recognizes it as a storage device.
18:22:34amayerdowdle: can you boot the OF?
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18:22:54amayeror is it the boot loader thats erroring out?
18:23:28dowdleamayer: The screen is flashing that message... and holding down the power button does nothing. So I guess it is the bootloader or the firmware?
18:23:47dowdleamayer: And since I can't see the contents of it from the computer anymore... I'm not sure what the status is of the files on the device.
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18:25:07amayerhow long did you hold the power button for?
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18:25:41dowdleamayer: until I was tired of holding it.
18:26:04amayeri dont have a clip zip idk how to hard reset it. ill let someone with more experience handle this one
18:26:09dowdleOk... more than 15 seconds did turn it off.
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18:26:33dowdleOk looks like the original rockbox is there... and functional. :) Crisis averted.
18:27:01amayerdowdle, what OS are you using on your computer?
18:27:30dowdleamayer: Ok, the Sansa firmware and the previous Rockbox install both seem to be intact. Yeah!
18:27:44amayerwhen you go to update:
18:27:46dowdleamayer: My computer is Fedora 19 64bit and my wife's computer is Windows 7.
18:28:44amayerI do manual updates (because im on ipod classic) so idk much about the update process
18:28:56dowdleamayer: I don't use Windows much. Fedora mounts it just fine... and as my user I can write to it... but for whatever reason the Rockbox installer, running as my user, complained it didn't have write access to it.
18:29:25amayerbut if it says you need root privilages do something like sudo ./rockboxutil
18:29:48dowdleamayer: fdisk shows a bunch of nonsense partitions... and KDE just mounts it as /dev/sdg even though fdisk shows sdg1 - sdg4.
18:30:08dowdleamayer: I guess I could try that. I'm wondering if the security stuff in Fedora with systemd is getting in the way.
18:30:42amayersome targets need root to install, i think updates should work, but like i said i dont have much experience with the rockboxutil
18:31:03dowdleamayer: I've installed Rockbox on a few Sansa models over the last 5 years and I've never had a problem... until now. I'll try the sudo thing.
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18:33:01dowdleamayer: The Rockbox GUI installer comes up by default with the bootloader unchecked. Does that mean that it sees the device already has a bootloader and I don't need to install that again?
18:33:45amayer*shrugs* im guessing so. but if you are talking about the installer/updater someone else would be better suited to help you
18:35:51dowdleOk, the installer downloads everything then fails when it tries to extract it.
18:36:21dowdle"Creating output file failed".
18:38:00dowdleI think I'll try it in Windows. My guess is that the funky way that systemd mounts devices as the user and tries to isolate it from everyone else, is getting in the way or something.
18:38:14amayeryou can download the zip file and update it manually
18:38:58amayerif your not trying to update the boot loader you just need to extract a zip to the root of player and thats it
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18:43:21dowdleamayer: Thanks for the assistance. The Windows version of the Rockbox installer worked fine... and it is on the current version now.
18:43:36dowdleI mainly wanted the ability to play opus files.
18:43:39amayerdowdle, glad i could help :)
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18:53:32saratogawodz: if you're writing a generic SD driver, would you consider using WARNF and ERRORF macros to record debug and error conditions? it would make trouble shooting future problems much easier if debug info can be recorded
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20:51:23wodzsaratoga: loging debug info about storage to the storage is well you know :-)
20:52:00saratogawodz: you can view the log while its still in memory, and of course many devices will have SD for one storage device but not both
20:52:51saratogaor if they have it for both, errors in things like mounting an external SD card can still be safely logged to internal storage,and might be very useful in troubleshooting hard to reproduce bugs
20:55:17saratogaactually maybe you can't view it while its still in memory, can't remember if i got around to adding it to the debug screen
20:55:21saratogabut it could be done easily enough if needed
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22:21:07wodzha found the bug :-)
22:22:33amayer*looks at tracker* which one? (sarcastic)
22:22:49amayerwodz, are you talking about the sd cards
22:24:41wodzI am talking about my reworked rk27xx driver which is my playground for more generic sd subsystem rework
22:25:37bertrikI'm not so sure you can write a completely generic sd subsystem
22:26:08bertrikAMSv1 for example needs some weird hacks with undocumented commands to do bankswitching
22:26:47bertrikand some AMSv2 players share an single sd controller between the internal flash and the microsd slot
22:27:04wodzbertrik: everything is possible its a matter of clever implementation
22:29:42wodzpamaury fixed the bug in sd init on imx233 while the very same issue has been solved in PP driver long ago. This wouldnt happen if init sequence would be provided by the sd core part.
22:30:28bertrikwodz: sorry, don't mean to discourage you, or say that we can share at least some code
22:31:45bertrikand indeed, the init sequence can be tricky and would benefit from sharing
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22:31:58wodzWe are able to abstract completly different philosophies of various usb cores
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