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#rockbox log for 2013-07-12

00:00:11pamaurythe software is really really bad, and the touchpad software is really the problem imo, we managed to make it much more usable with rockbox, although it could be better
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00:09:11Rockboxim using arbox widgets
00:10:25pamauryRockbox: could you try with the default theme so see if it still happen ?
00:17:12Rockboxit works like a charm
00:17:23Rockboxwow, thanks
00:19:10pamauryno problem, it's actually a well known problem: some theme trigger usb problems, we have a hard time tracing this issue
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10:15:41copperDB Error: database is locked (5)
10:15:51copperDB Error: database is locked (5)
10:15:56copperSQL: DELETE FROM checkwps WHERE themeid=:id Array ( [:id] => 1869 )
10:16:25copper(while trying to upload a theme)
10:18:26copperah, it worked now
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10:34:34lorenzo92damn, how to cope with windows vs unix differences in file management in C? If I have a program that uses the unix way to open files, is it possible to use in in windows without pain or do i need to port the code?
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10:47:07pamaurylorenzo92: fopen/fclose/fwrite/fread will always do
10:48:02lorenzo92so now I'm working on an "on-the-fly" cramfs patcher, let's see....
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11:08:52pamaurywodz (logs): work in progress for hwstub, i'm currently separating the stmp specific part, it should be finished today or this week-end
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11:27:20copperis it me, or does the iPod Classic port incur a lot more HDD activity than it used to?
11:28:24copperI have "load database to RAM" and "directory cache" enabled, but it lags a lot
11:28:34copperor maybe I've just been spoiled by the Fuze+
11:34:39[7]pamaury: I assume you didn't get around to finishing the port of my USB driver?
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11:34:55[7]if so, could you please share the current state of that?
11:35:03[7]user890104 would like to have a look
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12:27:23lorenzo92arm-ypr0-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory
12:27:27lorenzo92any hint?
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12:44:08jlbiasinihi all, does anybody know what are ACTION_REC_LCD, ACTION_REC_F2 and ACTION_REC_F3 actions for keymaps?
12:46:57jlbiasinipamaury: this line ACTION_FM_PRESET, BUTTON_BOTTOMRIGHT, BUTTON_SELECT is wrong in the fm keymaps for Fuze+ it cannot work. I made a patch to correct that and clean the record screen keymaps. But I still have to check that i work. Also while testing I noticed strange latency on key action in record screen I don't know if this is normal...
12:52:55jlbiasinipamaury: g#495
12:52:58fs-bluebotGerrit review #495 at : [Manual] Document soft lock for FM by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/95/495/2)
12:53:58jlbiasinithis should be ready for commit now. I removed the ondio and recoder manual reference
12:56:08lebelliumjlbiasini: I have a Ondio FM, I could test the FM lock patch.
12:56:26jlbiasinithat would be great!
12:57:21lebelliumthe problem is that you're not often here on IRC. And I don't have a gerrit access (and don't want it) so I can't comment the patch.
12:58:23jlbiasinithe patch just add a keymaps for the hold
12:58:40jlbiasinihold function was previously implement by pamaury
12:59:01lebelliumI know that :)
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13:01:05lebelliumok, let me find 3 batteries for the device and I'll compile a build
13:01:14jlbiasinilebellium: here is the patch
13:01:31lebelliumwhat's the difference with
13:02:09jlbiasininothing it is it I thought you couldn't acces it...
13:02:51lebelliumI can access it but I can't add comments (to confirm it works for example) because I don't want to register (I hate the Rockbox real-name policy)
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13:08:21jlbiasiniok I will stay a bit then
13:08:46lebelliumyes, let me some minutes and I tell you if it works :)
13:09:27jlbiasiniI have to develop vba application for a NGO which is why I have to run on windows most of the time and thus don't connect that much lately
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13:12:27lebellium"platform set to archosondioFM. Enter size of your RAM (in MB):"
13:12:36lebelliumshould I put 2 as default?
13:13:31copperlebellium: is making Rockbox themes something to hide?
13:14:02lebelliumI haven't modded my OndioFM so I assume I have the default 2MB RAM?
13:14:05lebelliumcopper: ?
13:14:11copper"I don't want to register (I hate the Rockbox real-name policy)"
13:14:22copperor reporting bugs
13:15:18lebellium"/bin/sh: 1: sh-elf-gcc: not found" What's that?
13:16:18jlbiasinilebellium: I think this is the cross compiler
13:17:43funmanare you missing export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH ?
13:18:01lebelliumcopper: I don't want my real name and my nickname to be associated because of my future employers (I'm known as lebellium on the web since 2004, I was 14 at the time and probably said much bullshit). And because of that stupid real-name policy of Rockbox, it's the case.
13:20:47lebelliumfunman: I'm not familiar with linux, how can I check that?
13:21:26funmanecho $PATH
13:23:18funmanthen you didn't build the sh cross compiler
13:23:40copper09:27:20 UTC <copper> is it me, or does the iPod Classic port incur a lot more HDD activity than it used to?
13:23:49funmanlebellium: see tools/ and select 's' (for SH)
13:24:45jlbiasiniand go grab a cup of coffee :)
13:25:21lebelliumthat's strange
13:25:32lebelliumI already compiled for many targets including Sansa and Samsung YP-R0
13:25:39lebelliumwhy do I need something specific now?
13:26:13jlbiasiniwell it depend on the architecture of the ondio
13:26:45jlbiasinibut I won't be surprised that it isn't the same as the sansa or anyy sansung
13:27:11pamaury[7]: no, yeah i'll post it to gerrit
13:28:01jlbiasinipamaury: isn't the new bootloader supposed to let fuze+ waking up by itself with the alarm?
13:28:12lebelliumhow do I run in terminal? (sorry noob here :D )
13:28:16copperg2g, bbl
13:28:19jlbiasiniI tested and i think that it doesn't work
13:28:32pamauryyes, I will post a link on the fuze+ thread in a minute
13:29:31jlbiasinilebellium: you cd to rockbox directory and ./tools/
13:30:31jlbiasinipamaury: yes, it is supposed to OR yes it doesn't work?
13:30:41lebellium"Download directory : /tmp/rbdev-dl (set RBDEV_DOWNLOAD to change)
13:30:41pamauryyes it will work
13:30:42lebelliumInstall prefix : /usr/local (set RBDEV_PREFIX to change)
13:30:44lebelliumBuild dir : /tmp/rbdev-build (set RBDEV_BUILD to change)
13:30:45lebelliumMake options : (set MAKEFLAGS to change)
13:30:47lebelliumROCKBOXDEV: No write permission for /usr/local"
13:31:18jlbiasinilebellium: you have to be root
13:32:59lebelliumnow it works :)
13:33:03funmanlebellium: sansa and samsung are ARM and ondio is SH
13:33:20pamauryjlbiasini: can I commit your gerrit patch about the manual or do you want to edit it again ?
13:33:54jlbiasinipamaury: I'm waiting for lebellium here
13:34:05lebelliumsuch a pression :D
13:34:14pamauryok, poke me or lebellium when I should
13:35:07jlbiasiniif that works we will commit the keymap and I will add it to the manual
13:35:18jlbiasiniI will
13:35:27jlbiasiniarff I have to go now
13:35:53jlbiasinilebellium just post the result in the IRC flow I will read it later
13:36:05lebelliumjlbiasini: ok no problem :)
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13:38:17lebelliumpixelma: do you remember the trick to get the FM radio work when *PANIC* recfile -1
13:52:05pixelmacan't remember getting that. Just a wild guess... maybe entering the recording screen before helps? Also do you have an MMC inserted and/or maybe you had set the recording directory to something that currently doesn't exist
13:58:28pamaury[7]: pamaury/5983912"> This is very incomplete work, doesn't compile. At the time I thought it would be better to simply your driver a bit by dropping all the structures you use. Now I think to mimise the work it would be simpler to just use your code right away and written a wratter around it. By the way, is the latest version of your code somewhere online ?
14:02:38lebelliumpixelma: entering the recording screen and recording something before going to the FM screen is the trick :)
14:03:09lebelliumjlbiasini & pamaury: works fine :)
14:04:06pamauryyou have an Ondio ?!
14:07:44lebelliumDon't I have any MP3 player ? :)
14:11:41lebelliumwell I only have the Ondio FM. I need to buy more old Archos
14:14:46pixelmalebellium: can you still start a recording in the FM screen correctly with the patch (double-press Mode)
14:20:21lebelliumI never tried that before. Seems to work but it gets stuck when I want to stop the recording
14:21:15lebelliumwhich I suppose has nothing to do with this patch
14:22:00pixelmaare you pressing On/Off to stop the recording?
14:24:17pixelmahmm, no idea then. That doesn't sound familiar but I haven't updated my OndioFM in a long time :\
14:24:24lebelliumvoice recording works fine though
14:24:42lebelliummaybe it's related to my Panic issue with my FM chip
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14:25:16pixelmathough another one for the FM screen patch, does long press of Mode still go to the menu or settings?
14:26:55lebelliumlong press on mode goes to quick menu (fm settings)
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14:27:33lebelliumI don't see any keymapping issue. hold on/off is mode + down
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14:28:45lebelliumbut that's definitely the worst FM tuner I have ever heard
14:28:55lebelliumtotally unusable
14:29:14lebelliumand I still don't know if I have the Samsung or Philips one
14:31:38pixelmaIIRC you had the Samsung one which is worse for one, quite rare in the OndioFM and finally only used in other Archos FM Recorders - unlike the Phillips chip which is quite common
14:32:03pixelmaalso used in other Rockbox targets like the Irivers
14:32:44lebelliumthat's probably the case indeed
14:33:24n1si'm going to be gone for a few weeks but have a local branch with updated opus, i'd like to push g#496 before pushing that though (as well as wait for them to tag 1.1 beta) so if Zagor turns up or someone else who understands Make i hope they can review it ;)
14:33:26fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
14:33:39lebelliumit's worse and as it's rare, it doesn't benefit the same support. I don't expect this panic issue to be fixed anytime soon^^
14:35:15lebelliumI'm not even sure there are still some Archos devs?
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14:35:49lebelliumjlbiasini: checked and work fine :)
14:35:50n1slebellium: there are certainly devs with Archos targets still around
14:36:29jlbiasiniI will update the manual patch then
14:36:55lebelliumnls: Who should I harass for my *PANIC* recfile -1 when entering the FM screen? :D
14:38:03jlbiasiniStill I would need to know what are ACTION_FM_PRESET, BUTTON_BOTTOMRIGHT, BUTTON_SELECT any keymaps guru around?
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14:40:34n1slebellium: dunno, your best bet is probably to fix it yourself :)
14:40:45lebelliumahaha. good joke :)
14:40:50pixelman1s: but not many (if even one) with an Archos target with a Samsung type tuner chip. I only remember LinusN having an FM Recorder with one
14:42:36n1spixelma: if it's caused by that difference the cause should ( ;) ) not be too hard to find
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14:44:48lebelliumI'm ready to make some tests, try patchs etc but I definitely can't fix that issue myself unfortunately
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14:49:11pixelmajlbiasini: sounds like you are citing from a keymap file but your question lacks some context. To me it looks like (if I remember things and imagine it correctly) from the D2 keypad file that uses a combo with a button and the bottom right touchscreen area for the shortcut to the FM presets in the radio screen
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14:57:16jlbiasinipamaury: g#498 and g#508 are ready then
14:57:18fs-bluebotGerrit review #498 at : Add FM softlock to the FM Ondio. by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/98/498/2)
14:58:07jlbiasinipixelma: those are keymaps for the record screen
14:59:10jlbiasiniI SAID AND g#508!
14:59:12fs-bluebotGerrit review #508 at : [Fuze+] Keymaps fm and record update by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/08/508/1)
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15:03:25jlbiasinipixelma ok my mistake I copy paste something without looking, stupiiid! :d
15:03:46jlbiasiniI meant: ACTION_REC_LCD, ACTION_REC_F2 and ACTION_REC_F3
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15:07:01jlbiasinino no no arf: pamaury the second gerrit is not to push yet sorry!!! it's g#495
15:07:04fs-bluebotGerrit review #495 at : [Manual] Document soft lock for FM by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/95/495/4)
15:07:30jlbiasiniwell the keymaps update shouuld be ready too but I would like to be sure before saying
15:07:41*jlbiasini should sleep more
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15:13:02celapamaury, voice recording on Fuze+ works for me but the volume level is low, I can hear my voice recorded if I turn the player volume up to max. FM just records silence.
15:13:27pamaurycela: interesting, thanks for the feedback that's very useful to know
15:13:38pamauryMaybe volume setup needs to be fixed
15:14:06celabeen using the new Fuze+ bootloader for about a week now stable and no issues, thanks.
15:14:57pamaurygood :) thanks
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15:44:48lorenzo92kugel: (or anyone else) have you got a compiled YP-R0 toolchain? I cannot really compile my own one :( and via Vbox i'm missing some ram (fails at a certain point)
15:45:18lorenzo92or, else, an idea to fix the compile process? I really have no idea
15:54:49pamauryjhMikeS: ping
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16:10:27pamaurythere is something strange: either I don't understand the new sound settings and/or the theme displays are wrong. Example: numdecimals=1, minv=-1000, maxv=120, steps=5. If I understand correctly that's -100dB to 12dB in tenth-db with step of 5 = half-dB steps. If the volume is -25dB then bar displays -250 !!
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16:16:58jhMikeSpamaury: it should display -25 yes
16:17:30jhMikeSI don't think I changed the given values
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16:18:40jhMikeSChances are it's ignoring numdecimals.
16:19:53jhMikeSI can safely say though the given values and meaning haven't changed. About all that did change in some cases was making sure the low end was a proper mute level.
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16:30:50copperpamaury always gets disconnected right before I want to talk to him :-/
16:36:58jhMikeSmaybe it's a script that disconnects him when whoever he pings answers?
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16:39:27copperisn't he an Epitech student?
16:40:04copperI would hope they have good connectivity over there
16:40:13copperer, school's out
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16:57:41pamauryI was going back home ! No i'm not an epitech student !!
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16:58:34pamauryjhMikeS: I have another issue, it *seems* that if steps=5, whenever I augment volume using keys, it only gets actually increased one out of 5 times, like it's ignoring steps
16:58:51copperpamaury: hey
16:59:02copperyeah it seems like I can't set the gain during recording
16:59:05copperon the Fuze+
16:59:56pamauryI think there is something wrong with the volume handling since the rework of the settings
17:00:06jhMikeSpamaury: it might. I think alot of volume code just does ++/−−.
17:00:51pamauryah, pretty bad :(
17:01:55jhMikeSprobably not hard to fix all that. wpc.c does indeed just move it by 1
17:06:40pamauryso at least I'm right that if numdecimal=1 then minv and mav in the setting macro should be in tenth of dB ?
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19:34:05SrRavenjust got my clip zip, the stock firmware is so meh
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20:16:48SrRavenSo, my rockbox app dies when I try to let it automatically find my zip
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20:24:29SrRavenSo I rockboxed the Zip now but my PC somehow doesnt find it anymore (checked the rockbox on it and seemed fine) now I wanted to plug it into PC again to put some music on there,getting "undefined instru oc : 30800000 sp3
20:28:48SrRaventurned it off by holding power button, now my PC for the life of it cant find the zip
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20:32:57SrRavenand somehow it crashed again,after adding the database and wanting to select some songs
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20:35:35SrRavensomehow it just seems usntable as fuck
20:35:44SrRavencrashed again now
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20:42:04copperseems like there's something funky going on when building the database with the Classic port
20:42:36copperI re-initialized the database like the guy in that post, and indeed both database and file accesses are a lot faster
20:42:56copperalso, when I built the database the first time around, Rockbox kept crashing
20:44:00copperthe only special circumstance that I can think of, is copying my entire library (6000 songs), unplugging the Classic, and then initiating the database, without rebooting
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21:03:32gevaertsSrRaven: I'd recommend checking the filesystem for corruption
21:04:09SrRavenhavent done that since...Win98 or so
21:04:53*gevaerts looks around for a windows user to provide specific help
21:05:39SrRavennvm found it
21:08:32gevaertsbertrik: could you have a look at,43247.msg219889/topicseen.html#msg219889 ? Almost all of those candidate culprits seem to be yours, so you know all about it :)
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21:11:37bertrikhm, those were supposed to be improvements ! :D
21:13:34gevaertsbertrik: well, more audio is produced, and rockbox is an audio player, so they were!
21:18:59bertrikgevaerts, I've narrowed down the list to 4 possible changes, I'll post them in the forum in order of suspicion
21:19:49gevaertsI suspect that at some point (probably after a bit more discussion and analysis) we'll need some test build
21:19:53bertrikthe #1 suspect is a change in automatic sd clock enable
21:21:05bertrik#2 is nastiness in the weird way sd control is done on some AMSv2 board revisions
21:25:07bertrikI can make a test build with the most suspicious change reverted and post it on my google drive
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21:35:47saratogasomeone with a good sound card could probably record the noise even if they can't hear it with headphones
21:36:17saratogaplayback a WAV file of silence into a good line in jack
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21:38:26bertrikgevaerts: is there an easy way to quickly revert a git change?
21:38:51gevaertsI'd just do git show|patch -R
21:39:00gevaertsBut there's bound to be a better way
21:39:46gevaertsFor a recent change, git rebase -i can do it, but for hundreds (or more) changes ago I doubt that'd work well
21:40:37*bertrik remembers git revert
21:41:37bertrikyes, that seems to work nicely
21:43:34saratogawow a new clip zip firmware update
21:43:41saratogawith a single fix to the mp3 decoder
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21:44:19bertrikoh, so we need a new bootloader too :)
21:45:04saratogahilariously I have a 40dB gain amp, but its 10khz to 2GHz so I can't use it to record the clip output
21:52:28copper2GHz?? what?
21:56:36bertrikif the first revert for the clip+ works to reduce the buzzing sounds, it will likely result in worse playtime
21:57:33saratogawhat does it do?
21:57:51bertrikdisable the feature to disable the sd clock when idle
21:58:14saratogawhy would that cause noise?
21:58:49saratogathe clock only turns on and off once per buffernig cycle right?
21:58:51bertrikI don't know, poor hardware design perhaps
21:59:12saratogawell yeah, but thats a microsecond long transient event, how would that generate audio frequency noise?
21:59:33saratogai was actually going to guess that it was the 4 bit mode or highspeed mode that caused it
21:59:40bertrikI suspect it might cause pulsating supply current somehow feeding into the audio
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22:02:42saratogaactually i've got a programmable gain on this NI DAQ board, maybe i can record something
22:03:58copperI'm able to make good recordings with my EMU 0204 USB
22:04:02copperand I have a Clip+
22:04:11copperif I can help with something, let me know, I'll check the logs
22:04:26saratogacan you try playing back a wav file of silence and recording it?
22:04:46coppertomorrow though
22:05:01saratogaevery 20 seconds or so the disk will power up, which should introduce noise, at least in theory
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22:05:20copperI assume I should install the latest dev build?
22:05:32saratogai don't think it matters too much, we haven't changed the drivers in ages
22:06:28copperI have the hardware revision that suffers from "CPU noise"
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22:06:54saratogathen it might be interesting to see if theres any difference from patches
22:06:57bertriksaratoga: I'll work on the clip zip bootloader thing, OK? (so we don't do duplicate work)
22:07:08saratogaits just one line right?
22:07:16saratogathen have to wait for an rbutil update
22:07:52bertrikyes, as far as I remember, just whitelist the new firmware after testing
22:08:50kugelsaratoga: have you seen that there were voices against the cursor-wrap commit?
22:15:25pamaurywhat is the cursor-wrap commit ?
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22:22:22bertrikno surprises with the clip zip firmware update, I'll commit it in a few minutes
22:24:59fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision 93de093, 217 builds, 21 clients.
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22:30:36saratogakugel: no, but if there were they should have been on gerrit
22:30:46saratogai said i was going to commit long before i did
22:31:05fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Build round completed after 367 seconds.
22:31:06fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Revision 93de093 result: All green
22:32:15saratogaand my clip won't turn on now that i've constructed a setup to actually record it :(
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22:45:10kugelsaratoga: i didn't see that announcement
22:46:24kugelanyway, i think the criticism is valid, the old design seemed to be fitted for blind users
22:47:16gevaertsIf we're going to want patches to be committed, we'll have to accept that every now and then something gets committed before all pros and cons have been heard, whatever the reason
22:47:24gevaertsThe important thing is how to go forward
22:48:18pamaurycan anyone explain the background here ?
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22:51:02gevaertspamaury: it's about g#503. The opposition as I understand it is that the previous behaviour was better for blind users, and not a coincidence or a bug as the commit message may seem to imply
22:51:04fs-bluebotGerrit review #503 at : Swap over a position of cursor while reaching the end of filename in keyboard by Roman (changes/03/503/1)
22:51:45*gevaerts has never actually used the keyboard, so he doesn't really know what the behaviour was or is, so he doesn't have an opinion on the technical side
22:52:29*bertrik actively tries to avoid using the keyboard on rockbox
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23:04:08saratoga"Looks good to me, if no one complains or beats me to it I'll merge the next time I'm in front of a machine with build tools."
23:04:20saratogaare people not watching the tracker?
23:04:35saratogaI took silence to mean there where no complaints
23:05:46pamaurysaratoga: I don't have an active look at the tracker until someone pokes me to have a look or request review
23:08:51saratogaFWIW, you can set gerrit to email you for all comments
23:08:59saratogawith the relatively low volume we get this works nicely
23:09:25saratogaand of course if you're using gmail, anything from Gerrit is automatically placed in a seperate tab from main emails so its not very intrusive
23:10:02pamauryhow do you do this ?
23:10:27pamaury(the gerrit part)
23:11:01saratogaSettings > Watched Projects
23:11:34saratogaactually I haven't tried it since I check gerrit regularly but i believe it works
23:11:46gevaertsIt does work, yes
23:12:56pamauryok thanks
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23:35:30jlbiasinipamaury: g#498 and #495 are ready for pushing
23:35:32fs-bluebotGerrit review #498 at : Add FM softlock to the FM Ondio. by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/98/498/2)
23:36:14jlbiasinihey I have a question! Why is that frequency setting newly impleted in the playback setting?? Shouldn't it be in sound?
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23:37:47jlbiasiniplayback is for repeat, random the way or order we pass from one song to the other
23:38:13gevaertsjlbiasini: you're making a sound argument there :)
23:39:59jlbiasiniI don't know I've read so much of consistency discution, that I thought this could be important...
23:40:28gevaertsYou definitely have a point
23:41:14jlbiasiniby the way I wanted to test the difference of the frequencey and I found a strange bug
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23:42:52jlbiasiniI have to do some more test to check if my file is not broken but fore the moment here is the situation
23:44:16jlbiasiniI have some improbable file (96khz, 24 bit, surround 5.1) one song ~ 400MB!) :D
23:44:32jlbiasiniit's flac
23:45:30jlbiasiniif I play it from the beginning when it reach around 1 min 37 sec, the song get skip and it jump to the next one
23:46:26jlbiasiniif I fast forward from the very beginning upon a few second but still way before the place where it jump, then no jump occurs
23:47:53jlbiasinialso by the end of the song (it's about 7min) I tried to make some action and the player interface was kind of freezed not entirely but clearly not being happy...
23:48:06jlbiasinidoes this sound familiar?
23:49:04jlbiasinifinally it skiped to another song (a real normal mp3 one) and everything went back normal
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