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#rockbox log for 2013-07-17

00:09:12pamaurywodz (logs): you can compile in thumb to win some space, that will require makefile modification
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00:11:36pamauryah right, on rk27xx it's 4Kb only, very small
00:12:11pamaurywodz (logs): you should use your stage1/2 loaders to load it, just tweak the linker script to place it somewhere else
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03:25:40arowanaHi all
03:26:36arowanaHelp needed!, iPod Classic BIG RED CROSS....
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04:31:22arowanaHi All
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04:36:02[Saint]arowana: You should give some more detail than that if you actually want some help.
04:36:44[Saint]What are the symptoms, what were you doing to cause this, what have you already tried, etc.
04:37:27arowanaHello Saint:
04:37:49[Saint]But, first of this in any way Rockbox related? By my understanding you shouldn't be seeing any type of error message from the original firmware, as it shouldn't exist on the devive anymore - assuming you're in the right place.
04:37:52arowanaok 1. I was defragging it
04:38:06arowana2. Havent Rockboxed it
04:38:16arowanaiPod Classic 80GB
04:38:17[Saint]Right, talk to Apple.
04:38:30arowananope out of warranty
04:38:40arowanabought back in 2007~08
04:38:46[Saint]Doesn't matter. They still have support forums.
04:39:05arowanawell is there any way I can format HDD
04:39:13arowanain linux or on serial port?
04:39:30arowanain Diagnostic mode it does not detect it...
04:39:55[Saint]This is offtopic, but all you'll get told to do by Apple anyway is put the device in DFU mode and restore with iTunes. This is exactly what you should do.
04:40:01arowanaalso can rockbox firmware format it.
04:40:36arowanawell when I put it in DFU and itunes tries to update it but returns incomplete
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04:40:52arowanaget a big red cross...
04:41:03[Saint]Then it is unlikely that Rockbox can help you either.
04:41:09[Saint]Smells like dead hardware.
04:41:34arowanawell I can feel HDD turning
04:41:51[Saint]that doesn't mean it *works* :)
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04:42:26[Saint]Anyhoo - talk to Apple. This is their territory. You're not covered by warranty, but they can still offer support.
04:42:50arowanashould i post it online or call them?
04:43:29[Saint]If there's an Apple store near you, I'd just rock in there. Otherwise I'd try their forums.
04:43:49arowanano apple store where i live...
04:44:08arowanabut have a store that sells apple products
04:44:25arowanaok Thanks for your help...
04:44:38arowanawill keep u posted
04:45:22arowanaalso, does not go in disk mode either
04:45:45[Saint]This sounds very much like the disk is trashed.
04:45:54[Saint]It should always be able to go into disk mode.
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04:56:59arowanaok bye 4 now
04:57:48EpicanisOpus 1.1 beta likely to be merged into the rockbox source any time soon? (Looking forward to trying it on my clipv1 to see how it works...)
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06:32:46bassgeishais there a format option inside the firmware for the micro sd card
06:32:50bassgeishaim searching
06:33:40[Saint]Not in Rockbox, no.
06:34:27bassgeishawin7 recognizes it as a secondary card and im trying to format it but i think its corrupted or something it wont let me read files for more than 1 min or so if that
06:35:24bassgeishawhoa i may have done it
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07:31:58*jlbiasini is so going to PLA the stopwatch plugin!
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07:43:41advhi All
07:43:49adv[Saint]: u there?
07:44:21advHi [Saint]: what the heck.....done it it is formatting
07:44:22advhow long does it take to format....??
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07:44:22advalso no hdd activity....
07:46:15[Saint]what are you talking about? doesn't format the device.
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07:49:15[Saint]nor should you be using it directly.
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07:57:29advno emCore is formatting it..
07:57:39advno emCore Installer is formatting it..
07:59:07[Saint]Well, that's why you need to be specific with what you say. We don't know what you're doing unless you tell us, and "done" doesn't cut it.
07:59:48advSo how long does it take (emCore Installer) to format iPod Classic 80GB?
08:00:35[Saint]About ~10 minutes, and there should *definitely* be disk activity.
08:00:50[Saint]As I said earlier, I rather suspect the disk is trashed.
08:01:17[Saint]The installer doesn't necessarily care about this, as it sits in a RAMdisk.
08:01:44advcan I reset if it takes longer time
08:02:10advand what menu will I get..
08:03:17advn e ways Bye 4 now....
08:03:25advBRB after an hour or so...
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08:37:37jlbiasiniany example of a target with remote? I have to build a manual for checking
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08:45:09pixelmaIriver H100. By the way, not all plugins are PLA suitable (don't know what buttons stopwatch needs currently though)
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09:11:58jlbiasinierr it seems that the image of the remote is broken in several manual...
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09:41:39jlbiasinihey all could a charitable being have a look at g#518 and push/comment it?
09:42:51jlbiasinihum? IRC script went to summer holiday?
09:44:05jlbiasinipixelma: yes I know I made a lot of PLA conversion before with the help of kugel
09:44:37jlbiasiniso it's here:
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10:02:13advHi all
10:02:21advHi [Saint] u there
10:03:17advn e ways nothing happened, HDD is busted, rebooted it, and back to iPod firmware, "Red CROSS"
10:05:03advwhat is installer.ubi file??
10:07:36jlbiasinikugel: hey you are still around! Great! Hello! I've made a new PLA patch for stopwatch, could you review/push/comment it?
10:09:00jlbiasiniit's quite simple but I don't remember about the usb check at the end of the file...
10:09:10jlbiasiniIf I should let it or not...
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10:11:39pixelmajlbiasini: not all images of remotes are already there - IIRC only the H100 and the Iaudio remote already is. I still have some more drawn but haven't made the patch to include them - as I usually try to go for completeness and add the mappings at the same time
10:12:37pixelmasomehow didn't find the time and motivation yet
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10:13:31jlbiasiniok: I tested the 2 gigabeat and both were shooting warning missing image
10:13:53jlbiasiniso I feared there would have been a structural breakage
10:21:45jlbiasinithere are also a few RC keymaps missing in some target that should be set as empty in their platform file. It does no arm to their manual but their compilation shoot errors
10:32:00jlbiasiniI don't know what is wrong with the text editor plugin but its keymaps is very slow + it doesn't use PLA but the CONTEXT_STD which is a problem on target that don't handle all the STD keys (on fuze+ for example we don't have a ACTION_STD_MENU key)
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10:32:22*jlbiasini is so going to PLA that too!!
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11:07:36pixelmajlbiasini: could you rephrase the statement about remote keymaps, I'm not sure what you mean
11:15:15pamauryI pushed a fix for volume handling: g#519
11:15:26pamauryI don't know who is qualified to review this: jhMikeS ? JdGordon ?
11:16:04jlbiasinipixelma: if you try to compile gigabeeat manual it is going to say that it miss the definition for /PluginRCExit wich is define in other RC target. If a target has no RC keymaps it still has to declare the latex variable in its platform file (e.g: manual/platform/keymap-gigabeats.tex) with either a fixme if the implementation is lacking but will be done later (\newcommand{\fixme{tbd}}) or by leaving it empty in the case there is no free key to maps f
11:16:04jlbiasinior this action: \newcommand{}
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11:19:09pixelmahuh, if it really has no remote then it shouldn't need to declare that it has one. The gigabeat has a remote though
11:19:39pixelmaah, keymap. Sorry I misread
11:20:07jlbiasinipamaury: I was thinking of something that would improve greatly the fuze+ usuability. Touchpad gesture would be a pain to implement and would nessecite a lot of discution on how to do it well and etc. On the other hand having a reliable multi touch use of the touchpad would allow a lot of new mapping that could really make it really cool + improve greatly the usuability with plugin. I don't know If you would have time for that, but if you would I wou
11:20:08jlbiasinild be ready totake time for some extra keymapping/manual rewriting
11:20:40jlbiasinipixelma: I meant on a remote that doesn't have enough keys to map that particuliar action
11:21:02pamauryproblem is: the touchpad cannot do multi touch, it can only detect the number of fingers
11:21:17pamauryat least that's my understanding of the spec
11:22:04jlbiasiniisn't there like a blinking between 2 position when it has 2 touch that could be triggered?
11:23:14pamaurybut it seemed really random last time I tried
11:23:58jlbiasiniok then I guess it's no use
11:24:20pamauryunfortunately I think so
11:24:20jlbiasinibut If you ever come out with an idea about it let me know...
11:26:35jlbiasinianother question: on some plugin it would be nice to be able to maps the corner keys as if it was a simultaneous press on (up or down) and (left or right) if you see what I meant do you think their could be a way to achieve that?
11:28:30pamauryyes, I don't know if/how you can do this :-/
11:29:04pamaurythis can be done at the driver level for sure, and I'm not so sure the action systems and keymaps allow such a thing
11:29:14pamauryyou have to talk to the experts there, if there are
11:34:40jlbiasinibut when we define value for the compile in the plugins .c can't we define a #define UPLEFT = BUTTON_UP + BUTTON_LEFT?
11:35:15jlbiasiniI will try
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12:25:37pamauryjlbiasini: in theory we could add new buttons for combination, but we don't have much space for that, the button bitmap is limited
12:26:28pamaurybut I don't know if that helps, I don't know about plugin.c
12:26:43jlbiasiniwell we would need 4 more
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12:27:06jlbiasinithen in PLA we could add a context
12:31:03pamaurybelieve or not, you probably now such things better than me or other people ;)
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12:32:36jlbiasiniyeah that what is starting to freak me
12:33:09jlbiasiniI just wanted to help and now I the expert on the borest part of rb
12:34:28jlbiasinicould someone explain me how the text editor is managing the line change in its code? I just can't understand how to implement it for PLA
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12:34:47copperI haven't much followed the recent developments on the Fuze+
12:35:07coppercan I safely upgrade to the latest revision, or should I wait a bit?
12:35:19jlbiasinithen you are going to be delighted I guess
12:35:20copperI kinda got the feeling that there was some confusion?
12:36:28jlbiasiniI would say it's safe
12:36:46jlbiasinibut it's going to got further I think
12:37:03jlbiasiniI have a keymaps rework
12:37:15jlbiasinibut it's only details (application plugin)
12:37:32copperwhat about the volume step thing?
12:37:43jlbiasinithe new bootloader is stable in my opinion
12:38:30jlbiasiniI thing that pamaury just has some code
12:38:57jlbiasinibut he is waiting for some guru review
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12:42:07jlbiasiniwell some guru even more guru than he already is... :D
12:44:10jlbiasiniregarding text editor, I found out
12:44:15pamaurycopper: see FS #12880 for the bug, I posted the link on the forum,
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12:44:54pamauryI spotted a few places where the volume update needs fixing, I didn't try it yet so you're are welcome to do so ^^
12:45:35coppersince when does that bug exist?
12:45:43coppermy recent build doesn't have it
12:46:33pamauryI created the bug a few days ago, it's not in the trunk yet
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12:46:56pamauryI posted a patch on gerrit today, see link in the bug report
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12:47:28pamauryit exists since a recent commit, basically volume handling was broken, I fixed it and uncovered some other bug
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13:00:27jlbiasinipamaury: didn't the but also affect lib/playback_control.c too? From what I just checked it does'nt but did you checked?
13:06:50pamauryI didn't check everything, I don't know apps/ very well, I count on people reporting bugs
13:07:17pixelmaabout left+up combinations etc. for PLA - such a combo is not possible on all button targets so I'd be against adding this to PLA anyway. There was a reason that the pluginlib actions became the way they are now, just directional keys, a select and a menu button. If you need more than this then PLA isn't suitable anymore - you'll probably get unwanted side effects on some targets, not all (maybe you aren't even aware of them) and then you don't have
13:07:17pixelma the possibility to correct them in an easy way without affecting other targets etc.
13:08:15pamauryjlbiasini: apparently lib/playback_control.c is fine
13:15:27jlbiasinipixelma: well I was thinking of something that would rely on conditionnal compiling for there is about only 1 target that it would be usefull to
13:17:54jlbiasinisome #HAS_CORNER_AS BIDIRECTIONNAL
13:18:37jlbiasinia bit like the touchpad
13:19:01pixelmathen in my understanding that's not really PLA stuff. The system was invented to generalise things where generalisation was possible
13:20:32jlbiasiniideally it would be PLA as arrow direction are already there. Also if it turns out to be use full to other target it would be easier to add them that way...
13:20:55jlbiasinianyway I have to see If I can make such a thing work first
13:41:52jlbiasiniok my pla plugin works but text editor is just as slow as it used to be... very weird
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14:05:07jlbiasinipamaury: ping
14:06:12jlbiasinikugel: or anybody, can you review/comment/push g#520
14:06:57jlbiasinigerrit review: [Plugins] text_editor PLA integration by /me
14:07:08jlbiasiniahahaha :D
14:12:06jlbiasinipamaury: so whenever you have time: g#521 make fuze+ manual to 100%
14:12:56jlbiasiniand implement the very last missing keymaps
14:14:54jlbiasinipamaury: bah let it be I just find out that there are still some missing viewer keymaps missing too...
14:15:07jlbiasiniso I will tell you when its ready...
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17:36:45jlbiasinithe snake plugin manual document keys to change the level(speed) there is no trace of such a thing in the plugin's code!!!
17:37:14pixelmathere are two snake plugins
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18:22:58jlbiasinipixelma: i'm talking about the number one
18:23:09jlbiasiniand some key are not documented
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18:37:40ZincAlloya friend of mine installed rockbox on his clip zip yesterday. there seems to be a new version official firmware...
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18:43:36MarcAndersenHi. Is it just me, or is the quick screen not available on the sansa clip zip?
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18:46:21copperZincAlloy: there was talk in here about updating the Rockbox bootloader for the new firmware, I don't know if it has been done (commited) yet.
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18:49:45jlbiasinipamaury: g#521 is now ready. I don't understand some keymaps that I already fixed and that you pushed long ago were resetted in between ... it's a lot of work, it's a bit frustrating.
18:51:32jlbiasinicopper: what do you mean by new firmware?
18:52:56copper16:37:41 UTC <ZincAlloy> a friend of mine installed rockbox on his clip zip yesterday. there seems to be a new version official firmware...
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18:54:19jlbiasiniI don't really know about the clip zip but on the fize+ we have a patcher that is patching whatever firmware file version you give him
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18:55:26ZincAlloyapparently the clip zip patcher doesn't recognize the new version
18:56:07bertrikthe one in the source tree does
18:59:42ZincAlloyah, cool
18:59:49jlbiasiniis there a way to find which commit made the last modification to a file?
19:03:37bertrikgit log <file> I think
19:09:03jlbiasinibertrik: thanks, now I'm going to see who fucked my work ;)
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19:14:36jlbiasinibertrik: how can I find a commit from its id?
19:14:49jlbiasiniI mean a commit details
19:17:11jlbiasiniok I found
19:20:08jlbiasiniI dont' understand: git log give me a list of commit that changed the file but if I use the name of the contributor to look after the commit I found a list of commit from that guy but not the one given by git log????
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19:21:05pamauryjlbiasini: git blame to see who/why there were resetted
19:21:43jlbiasinilol ;D
19:22:19jlbiasiniwow it's not even a joke!!! :D
19:22:57lebelliumhum looks like the %cc tag (RTC) doesn't work. [Saint] an idea?
19:25:14jlbiasinipamaury: regarding g#521 you will see that I made some very slight modification in the manual. It is just some obvious cleaning when some value where given several time on different entries
19:25:29jlbiasiniI think it happens two time
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19:34:20jlbiasinipamaury: it seems to be you but for ages, still the subversion time. And it seems it was suppose to be corrected that way as the correction is called "fuze+: add rockboy keymaps"
19:35:13jlbiasinistrange but it really too old to remember anyway
19:36:41jlbiasiniFor the record I mapped vol up and down to the button because else rockboy is unusable as we don't have multitouch on the touchpad, which is also why I remember so well having setted it like that
19:37:10jlbiasinii meant vol up and down for buttons A and B
19:39:34jlbiasinianyway this is now corrected:)
19:40:40jlbiasiniwell at least when g#521 will be pushed
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20:19:10shanttuhi, i'm having some problems (re)installing bootloader. could someone take a look. Log:
20:19:19shanttusansa clip +
20:22:05gevaerts"[ZipUtil] creating output file failed: "/media/0123-4567/.rockbox/rockbox.sansa""
20:22:20shanttuactually when i only try to install the bootloader no errors, but still "firmware not found" "plug usb cable" on boot
20:22:23gevaertsIs the device mounted read-only by any chance?
20:22:38gevaertsdmesg should tell you that
20:22:45*gevaerts suspect filesystem corruption
20:23:12shanttugevaerts, read-write
20:24:46shanttudamn, i can paste files to device but dmesg says "FAT-fs (sdc): Corrupted directory (i_pos 60959)"
20:26:00gevaertsfsck.vfat could help
20:26:34shanttuafter removing microsd-card clean dmesg
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20:41:38shanttugevaerts, you we're right. Disk was corrupted, even if copy-paste and everything seemed to work. Huge thanks!
20:41:47gevaertsNice :)
20:41:54gevaertsWell, fixing it is...
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22:12:29wodzpamaury: MEMORYSIZE is not defined in hwstub
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22:32:57pamaurywodz: no, it was previously but I removed it because it was unused
22:33:38wodzpamaury: it is still referenced in config-target.h
22:35:41pamauryah right, I should remove this, it doesn't apply to the stmp stub, if you need for the rk27xx, feel free to have one
22:37:29wodzpamaury: what is target_get_info() supposed to do?
22:38:57pamauryhave a look at the stmp implementation: it retrieves info as defined in the protocol header
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22:39:54pamaurybasically the generic part handles the generic info request, you should only implement HWSTUB_INFO_TARGET, and you can add a HWSTUB_INFO_RK27XX if you feel the need to
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