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02:57:30mikebombI would like to try to get a developer interested in taking a look at FS #12864. This bug was introduced between 3.12 and 3.13 and affects the Resume Playback feature. Thanks for your attention.
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07:16:32[Saint] seems to have fallen over.
07:18:02scorcheworks for me - is very slow though
07:19:30[Saint]I can't get through. Hum.
07:19:55[Saint]Nor can various "is it up?" sites. Odd.
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10:48:45lebellium[Saint]: did you read logs
10:49:18[Saint]I did, yes, but "doesn't work" is terribly vague.
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10:50:01lebelliumthat means %?cc<blabla|blabla2> doesn't work
10:50:23lebelliumnothing displays
10:50:32[Saint]works for me.
10:50:46lebelliumI try in SBS, Ondio FM Sim
10:52:12lebelliumI'll try in Recorder sim too then
10:52:17[Saint]I have "%?cc<%?cf<%cH:%cM|%cl:%cM %cP>>" in my .sbs working fine.
10:52:21lebelliummaybe it's just an issue with the Ondio FM sim
10:53:02[Saint]I'm about ~5 revisions behind head, but I don't see anything that should break it.
10:54:43[Saint]I shall have a poke around later. Ms [Saint]'s (slightly early, due to work obligations) birthday celebration-type-thing.
10:56:29lebelliumhum indeed I tried in another sim and it works
10:56:35lebelliumlooks a specific Ondio FM issue
10:56:45lebelliummaybe because it doesn't have a RTC
10:57:10[Saint]I don't believe it does.
10:57:34[Saint]I think it _can_, with a HW mod...pixelma is Cpt. Ondio I believe.
10:58:51lebelliumI know there is a RTC mod for iRiver H100, not sure about Ondio. Anyway, the tag works properly then, there issue is somewhere else
10:58:58lebelliumthe issue*
10:59:19[Saint]Ah. Nope. No RTC.
10:59:39[Saint]the false case should still fire, though.
10:59:46pixelmano RTC mod, but a backlight mod is possible
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11:00:17[Saint]lebellium: does the false case fire on other targets without RTC?
11:00:37pixelmaI use %?cc in my WPS too (it's quite old code now though), maybe there was an issue in the sim
11:00:40lebelliumI'll try on iRiver H100, I guess it's the unique other target without RTC
11:01:05[Saint]I use %cc in my .sbs', but only with a true case, no false.
11:01:14[Saint]so I wouldn't have seen this were it broken.
11:02:07pixelmapossibly it's already in one of my uploaded WPSs on the theme site, I can't remember
11:03:14lebelliumI just had a look at the screenshots and none has a clock
11:06:15pixelmaah, I think I confused it with my M5 theme - the M5 has an RTC and the H100 with the same size display doesn't
11:06:27pixelmaor I'm still misremembering
11:07:25lebelliumI'm a bit short on time now but I'll make some tests to identify the issue. I feel it's only my Ondio sim
11:09:31lebelliumI'll get a M3 tonight. I'm surprised there is no theme for it.
11:13:34pixelmathe display (remote) is not a must, the M3 is also a rare target
11:14:19pixelmamaybe you'll find an Iaudio X5/M5 rwps on the site which you could use...
11:14:36lebelliumlooks like it's not managed as a remote. The cabbie v2 is not rwps but wps
11:14:39pixelmayou'll have to rename it to .wps though
11:15:02lebelliumno, it just means I'll make the 1st theme for M3 :)
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11:15:18[Saint]yes. its not really the "remote" in Rockbox, its technically the main display.
11:16:06pixelmayes, the other way would have been harder to implement (or illogical); amiconn explained that once but I forgot the details
11:16:42lebelliumokay. So the main theme I'll make for M3 will become a remote theme for my X5/M5 theme hehe
11:19:06pixelmaIIRC you can't have album art if it's an rwps currently though, with this "remote" as main display for the M3 you can because it's a greyscale display
11:19:31lebelliumah? I didn't know that
11:19:34lebelliumgood to know
11:20:07[Saint]I _think_ you can have aa in a remote now.
11:20:29[Saint]that was an old-parser/engine limitation I think.
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11:21:43lebelliumI'll see if grayscaled AA looks good on 128x96. Not sure about that.
11:27:12pixelmaI doubt it but don't know for sure. I have some blurry memories of trying it once in the sim and it worked if you had album art _only_ in the RWPS and even then looking weird. Something with different pixel (update) orientation of the two displays and needing different kind of parsing, in contrast to having two or more aa images on the same display. As for "looking good" I think the main problem with that is the relatively dark blue backlight so
11:27:12pixelmathat the contrast is quite low
11:35:30jlbiasinipamaury: ping
11:37:51jlbiasinicould someone comment/push g#518 and g#520 please?
11:37:54fs-bluebotGerrit review #518 at : [Plugins] Stopwatch PLA integration by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/18/518/3)
11:38:26[Saint] g#520
11:38:30fs-bluebotGerrit review #520 at : [Plugins] text_editor PLA integration by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/20/520/2)
11:38:49[Saint]fs-bluebot: learn how to deal with and :)
11:39:01jlbiasini[Saint]: thanks! :D
11:39:52jlbiasinithose really obvious one
11:40:33jlbiasinisome other could be converted to but it might lead to unapropriate remapping so for the moment I will leave them aside
11:41:00jlbiasini+ I'm done with fuze+ manual so I deserve a rest!
11:41:12[Saint]I haven't seen the sources for bluebot, but I'm willing to bet that it could be adapted to deal with multiple task numbers fairly easily.
11:42:13[Saint]but then you could probably abuse it and get it kicked for spamming if you weren't careful about rate limiting. :)
11:42:33jlbiasiniactually if someone has idea why text editor keys are so slow...
11:43:02jlbiasiniit has nothing to do with my commit but it could be a further improvement
11:43:43jlbiasiniI mean before we get that libre office plugin working at least...
11:44:48copperIn case this might be useful to anyone, this converts headphone sensitivities, decibels to full scale, and headphones sound pressure level:
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12:02:49copperadded calculation of output and headphones impedance
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15:07:08copper"Yes, so far there is no way to get Emcore installed on an iPod Classic using a Mac. The other problem is that once you do get it installed (either using Windows or Linux) you can't access the hard drive by connecting via USB, so you cant transfer Music from your Mac to it. I don't know exactly how it works, but a Rockboxed iPod Classic still has something like 'ipod classic' in the device_id and I think most Macs are just so happy to see a fellow Appl
15:07:15copperI remember some talk about that
15:07:29copperwhat's the solution? Was it ever formally addressed with a patch?
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15:41:10vsync_copper: simple solution, don't use a mac
15:44:01coppervsync_: wow, I hadn't thought of that, brilliant solution, thanks a bunch!
15:44:18*copper throws his Mac out the window
15:44:34vsync_no problems, i'm a professional
15:44:57copperIt shows!
15:45:07*vsync_ blushes
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15:58:02[Saint]What is the issue with Classic+Mac+Rockbox?
15:58:26[Saint]It should simply present itself as generic USB storage.
15:58:45copper[Saint]: OS X knows it's an iPod and insists on making you use iTunes with it
15:58:55copperexcept it doesn't work because the iPod isn't running the OF
15:59:11coppersomething about the device identifying itself as "ipod classic" or something
15:59:20[Saint]In the case that it might refuse to belive it isn't an iPod by the id (and try to handle it differently), this could be overcome trivially as well.
15:59:51[Saint]One could actually add an option to switch out the id with a user supplied one, but that's a bit dirty.
16:00:05[Saint]this has been discussed umpteen times before here.
16:00:21copperbut nothing's been done, apparently
16:00:28copperit's always "yeah we could do this and that"
16:00:30[Saint]The above isn;t necessarily the "righjt" way to handle it, but it is a possible solution.
16:00:40[Saint]eek, I can't type.
16:00:53copperfingers acting up?
16:01:06copperacting out
16:01:10copperfucking frenglish
16:01:12Tornewe could do a bunch of things but they're all gross and/or violate specs and/or require icky kinds of config setting
16:01:18[Saint]Feline intervention.
16:01:19Torneand so nobody has been motivated enough to implement one
16:01:48coppermake it identify itself as "RockPod" or something :P
16:02:11[Saint]The right way is to issued our own id, but there's different ways that could be done as well.
16:02:27[Saint]ie. a single id, or one per device, one per subset of devices.
16:02:37Tornecopper: it's not the *string* that's the issue
16:02:40Torneit's the actual VID/PID
16:02:45Tornewhich are reserved numbers assigned by USBIF
16:02:51Torneand you are not supposed to just make them up :)
16:02:58Torneand they cost money
16:02:58[Saint]Indeed. :)
16:03:21[Saint]WHich is also why adding the option to supply one by the user is ugly.
16:03:28[Saint]As someone else paid for it.
16:03:41Torneso yes we could pick another number (either something arbitrary, or a different mp3 player, or whatever0
16:03:47Torneor we could have a config setting that lets the user specify one
16:03:57Torne(though i don't think we have a "input 16 bit hex value" type right now) :)
16:04:04coppercould someone make an OS X program that prevents iTunes from taking over?
16:04:08Tornebut you aren't technically allowed to :)
16:05:04[Saint]This has also been discussed for use with car head units that see a specific id and refuse to talk to it as anything other than an ipod.
16:05:30[Saint]which is a way better case than shitty Macs :P
16:05:59Torneyah, and there's no software workaround on the host end there
16:06:08Torneso it really does have to be a differnet usb id on our end :)
16:06:31copperis there a wide range of unused IDs?
16:06:55copperin other words, is there no ID value that is very unlikely to be already taken?
16:07:08amayeris there a generic "USB Flash Drive" id?
16:07:24gevaertsamayer: no
16:07:30Torneno. there are no generic IDs
16:07:33gevaertscopper: that doesn't sound like a good idea at all
16:07:37Tornethey all belong to specific vendors and products
16:07:43TorneVID and PID are Vendor and Product ID :)
16:08:00TorneTHere are no reserved IDs afaik
16:08:04amayerThen we could just have a setting Present Device As: USB Disc or Ipod Classic
16:08:17Torneand we must not use an unused one because someone else may use it later ;)
16:08:26Torneamayer: right, but there isn't such a thing.
16:08:37Tornewe would have to pick a *specific* model of usb disk to pretend to be
16:08:41copperor a totally outdated ID?
16:08:43amayerTorne: yeah...
16:08:43Torneor a specific non-ipod MP3 player
16:08:51copperone that no-one uses anymore
16:08:52Tornecopper: that's just as bad/worse
16:09:09Torneolder devices are likely to have wweird drivers/workarounds/hacks in OSes
16:09:15Torneeven if the deivce isn't available any more
16:09:18*gevaerts was going to contact the openmoko folks about this
16:09:21Tornewindows probably still has a specialcase driver for it
16:09:24amayerI could see Windows looking for a drive before letting you read from your "Old outdated device"
16:09:28gevaertsDoes anyone want to take that job from me?
16:09:37Torneamayer: windows *has* drivers for many, many kinds of old outdated device, though
16:09:42Torneand they may do something bad/wrong that we don't want :)
16:09:50copperI understand
16:09:52amayerthats what im saying
16:10:13coppercan't some organization donate an ID? IETF, FSF or somesuch?
16:10:17Torneyeah. there are some people who have assigned vendor IDs who will give/sell hyou a range of product ids
16:10:24Tornethe terms of the USBIF contract no longer allow this
16:10:29gevaertsI was going to contact them, but it left my mind...
16:10:31Tornebut people who bought a vendor ID before they changed the terms can do it
16:10:46gevaertsIf anyone wants that job, feel free to volunteer
16:11:07Torneif we did get our own PIDs we'd likely want to get one per rockbox port that has USB, though
16:11:09gevaertsSee the mailing list somewhere for details of what we already discussed
16:11:21Torneotherwise it will make life potentially a pain for the installer to detect devices correctly when they are left in this mode :)
16:11:35Torneto upgrade rb
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16:20:24amayergevaerts, that is cool that they let open source projects use their VID
16:21:07Torneyah, but it's still neccessary for each thing to have a different PID, and they only have 131072 of them :)
16:21:44Torneprobably fine for them to give us, like, a hundred. ;)
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17:01:05[Saint]Is there any reason why using android17 instead of android16 platform would compile a slightly smaller binary?
17:02:32[Saint]I linked android16 to android17 to keep the build system happy, and it works fine, with a slightly smaller (a few bytes) binary.
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18:19:13ikeboyBy the way, the texteditor isn't always slow. It appears random, but I've sometimes have it work "normally" until rockbox is restarted.
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18:21:44ikeboyI've noticed that on the same boots that it works, a bug on the wikiviewer plugin doesn't appear.
18:22:49ikeboyOn wikiviewer, when holding up or down for too long, it doesn't stop scrolling until volume buttons are pressed
18:23:34ikeboyAnd that is caused by whatever causes texteditor to be slow seemingly
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19:45:55jlbiasinithis wiki plugin is not in the tree... what is that?
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19:53:07ikeboyjlbiasini:(log) it's a plugin to view converted wikipedia dumps
19:54:06ikeboyIf you just want to test it, try the wiktionary or smaller dumps first
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20:13:16pamauryjlbiasini: yes ?
20:13:33jlbiasiniI have a new commit for the fuze+
20:14:05jlbiasiniit correct the keymaps especially the rockboy ones and finish the manual
20:14:35jlbiasini g#521
20:14:38fs-bluebotGerrit review #521 at : [Fuze+][Keymaps] Application and viewer keymaps update by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/21/521/3)
20:14:44jlbiasinicould you push it?
20:15:16jlbiasinithere nothing really special about it...
20:16:51jlbiasinithere a ondio change of line in the manual because it was alone on a line with /ButtonPlay while other players were group on another line to the some button so I grouped them togother
20:17:14jlbiasiniAlready tested that it compiles
20:17:23jlbiasiniand run on the device
20:21:54jlbiasinipamaury: ^
20:23:22dcheartlySpeaking of Rockboy, who's in charge of that project?
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20:29:36jlbiasinipamaury: thx
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20:32:15jlbiasiniOMFG I though I had the intern storage bug again with the fuze+... It turns out it was time for a partition repair....
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20:34:58jlbiasinipamaury: it seems the usb bootloader is still not that stable...
20:36:11jlbiasiniwell diifficult to say for sure actually...
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21:02:15pamauryjlbiasini: what do you mean by not stable ?
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21:51:01dcheartlyYay someone accepted my translation! :D
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22:08:05jlbiasinipamaury: I just transfered some file on the f+ using the usb bootloader and I end up with a corrupted file system
22:08:51jlbiasinibut i could comme from the os, the kernel, the last time I transfered data with the OF and so on...
22:09:04jlbiasiniusb must be hell to debug
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22:11:37jlbiasinipamaury shouldn't we remove this link to a bootloader on the f+ wiki page?
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22:27:49lebelliumI know dualboot is possible on X5 with some custom firmware or bootloader
22:27:55lebelliumbut is it possible on M3 too?
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22:29:14megal0maniacIs Rockbox in need of buildslaves?
22:29:30*megal0maniac offers possible services as buildslave
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22:30:13wodzpamaury: ping
22:33:08pamaurywodz: pong, not really here for at least 15min
22:34:33wodzpamaury: ok, I'll wait when you will be truly here :-)
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22:58:26bluebrother^[Saint]: as in g#518 and g#520?
22:58:28fs-bluebotGerrit review #518 at : [Plugins] Stopwatch PLA integration by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/18/518/3)
22:58:30fs-bluebotGerrit review #520 at : [Plugins] text_editor PLA integration by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/20/520/2)
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22:59:31megal0maniacThe wake-up alarm on the Fuze+ doesn't wake it up. Is this a known issue?
23:00:09wodzmegal0maniac: report this to pamaury
23:01:35megal0maniacI know he's the Fuze+ king. :) Was just wondering whether it was a known issue or not. When you turn it on manually, then it does what the wake-up alarm should have made it do. I.e. resume playback etc.
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23:05:50megal0maniacHopefully he'll see the scrollback. I must be off
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23:10:34jlbiasinibluebrother^: great fix!
23:11:04jlbiasiniany opinion on the commit themselves?
23:11:28jlbiasinidid someone saw kugel out there lately?
23:12:08jlbiasinimegal0maniac: actually it's kind of random as it does work on my device
23:16:14jlbiasiniwhen i'm compiling new stuff to experiment at driver level I guess there is no use to extract the whole rb zip is copying rockbox.sansa enough to get rockbox to be updated?
23:17:02wodzjlbiasini: as long as you don't need plugins or codecs
23:17:19pamaurywodz: here
23:17:34jlbiasiniwodz no, no need
23:17:37pamaurymegal0maniac_afk: are you sure you did the setup right ? it works on mine
23:18:42wodzpamaury: I am looking at porting rk27xx usb driver to hwstub. Do I need to handle transfers longer than single ctrl packet?
23:19:02pamaurywodz: yes
23:19:35wodzpamaury: Hmm, so how can I have nonblocking version without interrupts?
23:20:18pamauryall the calls made by main.c are blocking
23:21:01wodzso *_nonblocking variants are unused?
23:22:12wodzpamaury: what is return value meaning of recv and send functions?
23:22:26pamauryfor usb_drv_* ?
23:22:49pamaurythese are unused, just copied the prototypes from rockbox, 0 on success I guess
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23:29:58pamaurywodz: if you feel the need for, add interrupts
23:30:28pamauryor a "usb_tick" in the main loop
23:34:55wodzpamaury: Do I need to handle 0 len packet in usb_drv_send() ?
23:36:17pamauryit means ack
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23:36:43pamauryand in recv too: it's ack recv. It should handle by the code on gerrit
23:38:31wodzcode on gerrit is ackward, you know
23:38:44pamauryyes but it works for control transfers normally
23:38:55pamaurycurrently the stub only does control transfers
23:40:22wodzIf I fail to get it working without interrupts I'll look at how to integrate irqed version into hwstub
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23:41:35megal0maniacpamaury: I do it in exactly the same way as I do on my Clip+. It has never worked on the Fuze+, and I just updated to the latest trunk build
23:42:10pamaurymegal0maniac: do you use the new bootloader on the forum ?
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23:42:27pamaurywodz: upload the code before doing that, I can try it too
23:42:34megal0maniacpamaury: I think I'm on v10
23:43:00pamaurymegal0maniac: you need the latest bootloader (not yet released)
23:44:45wodzpamaury: btw. in gerrit rk27xx usb driver we discard cache when sending data but not when receiving. Since actual mem transfer is done by means of dma I wonder if this isn't the problem I am observing.
23:45:57pamaurywodz: I think we discard on recv but *before* receiving, based on the assumption that no cache line should be loaded in between, otherwise that would mean reading a buffer which could be overwritten by dma at any time, clearly a bug
23:47:03jlbiasinipamaury: I'm going to update this bootloader on the wiki it's confusing for a lot of peaple
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23:47:23wodzpamaury: greping for 'cache' hits only _usb_drv_send()
23:47:35megal0maniacpamaury: Thanks, downloading the RC now
23:47:37pamaurywodz: ah weird, indeed that's buggy then
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23:55:22jlbiasinimegal0maniac: don't forget no SD and check your battery
23:55:53megal0maniacjlbiasini: I know the drill. Thanks ;) I've updated and set an alarm. Now I'm just waiting
23:56:07megal0maniacAnd there it is
23:56:32megal0maniacCool. Everything (so far) is working exactly as expected :)
23:58:09jlbiasinipamaury: I just recompile the bootloader from latest tree and testing update/wake up right now. If its working don't you think I just put it on the wiki?
23:58:54megal0maniacI vote yes

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