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#rockbox log for 2013-07-19

00:00:12jlbiasinieven bette
00:00:32megal0maniacjlbiasini: What changes have been made between pamaury's RC and latest?
00:00:53pamauryAnd for a proper release we need to tag the trunk at some point
00:01:05jlbiasininothing but as there were some random result I just wanted to check aqgain
00:05:20megal0maniacpamaury: jlbiasini: Thank you :)
00:05:40jlbiasinipamaure: wiki updated!
00:06:38pamaurywhere is it ?
00:07:01pamauryah found
00:07:49lebelliumWhat's the reason of the lack of dualboot on Cowon targets? Too difficult? Noone interested?
00:09:04Bagderit has been done
00:09:14Bagderjust not in a way that was okay'ed and committed
00:10:00lebelliumcan you elaborate? only for X5 or also for M3?
00:10:08BagderI don't remember
00:10:36lebelliumwho's the Cowon guy here? :)
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00:13:22lebelliumlooks like nobody has worked on Cowon targets for ages
00:13:44*lebellium blames Sansa for that
00:15:23wodzlebellium: you may ask amiconn about X5/M5/M3
00:16:35lebelliumok thanks wodz
00:17:25lebelliumamiconn, can you tell me more about dualboot & Cowon targets?
00:18:49wodzpamaury: seems like missing cache flush was the reason of failed usb transfers on rk27xx. I copied 213MB file without usb resets and md5sums match
00:19:09pamaurycool, my mistake then :)
00:20:29wodzthe interesting thing is that comment is correct :-)
00:21:00pamaurywhich comment ?
00:21:19wodzlebellium: amiconn is not very active lately
00:22:00wodzpamaury: in _usb_drv_send() there is comment about cache handling
00:22:08lebelliumwodz: what's his time zone?
00:22:35wodzhe is from germany
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00:25:41lebelliumok thanks. Maybe it's better to PM him on the forum then
00:26:18wodzhe usually reads irc logs
00:27:00gevaertslebellium: I very much doubt if the forums are a good way to reach him :)
00:27:51pamaurywodz: please commit the fix and hopefully we can push it soon :D
00:30:44wodzpamaury: hope so. I would also like to understand why commit_discard_dcache_range() didn't work in usb driver. It may be that commiting whole cache masked partially missing commit in recv part.
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00:41:41wodzpamaury: \o/ driver works with commit_discard_dcache_range() in both send() and recv().
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00:42:12pamauryarf, that's frustrating, I was soooo close, just a silly little bug
00:47:01wodzpamaury: updated g#364
00:47:05fs-bluebotGerrit review #364 at : rk27xx: usb driver by Marcin Bukat (changes/64/364/11)
00:48:20wodzpamaury: Could you ping mortalis to test this driver? I have rather limited net access.
00:49:17pamauryok, I'm not sure i've seen him recently
00:51:02wodzI never expected such outcom of porting hwstub to rk27xx :-)
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04:37:06[Saint]bluebrother^: errrr....well done.
04:37:23[Saint]But, that was a hint to get you to show me the source so *I* could do it...
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07:06:55MaxdamantusProbably wouldn't be desirable in the official version, would it? (assumes each UCS codepoint is actually a UTF-8 codepoint, supports characters outside the BMP effortlessly (unlike the normal implementation), compatible with Linux's default mount options .. dunno about anything else)
07:14:54MaxdamantusActually, I guess it'd be comparable in oddity to the default codepage.
07:21:25pixelmalebellium (log): X5 and M5 dualboot is implemented, not sure about M3 (and a heads up to Bagder this way too ;) ). That happened during last or Even second to last DevCon... :)
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07:34:57[Saint]+#define UTF16_SUCKS
07:35:12[Saint]nice handle. :)
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11:46:17*Maxdamantus almost feels like looking for a simple enough implementation of another filesystem to use instead of FAT -_-
11:46:39Maxdamantusit doesn't support filenames like "S.C.I.E.N.C.E."
11:47:11Maxdamantusor .. Linux's implementation doesn't, anyway .. not sure why it bothers to care.
11:47:31Maxdamantusin Windows, I don't think you can create a file called "nul.txt".
11:47:35Tornebecause it's impossible to represent a trailing period in Windows's VFS layer
11:47:42Torneand so the FAT LFN extension also disallows it
11:47:52MaxdamantusDoes it disallow the filename "nul.txt"?
11:48:01Torneer, no
11:48:09MaxdamantusLinux lets me create that.
11:48:11Tornesort of. ;)
11:48:21Tornethere are win32 apis that can access files named like that
11:48:30Tornecommand line stuff mostly chokes, but it works in the VFS
11:48:36Tornebut trailing periods are just impossible
11:48:59MaxdamantusMeh. I'll put a space after it.
11:49:17Tornei'm not sure you can do that either
11:49:28Tornei don't think trailing whitespace works :)
11:50:06MaxdamantusMaybe a zero-space.
11:50:06Tornepicard has a windows-compatible filename option which is always on on windows but can be enabled on other platforms too, and it just drops the trailing period on acronym'ed names
11:50:13MaxdamantusThat must work.
11:50:15Tornei've always just let it do that
11:50:29*Maxdamantus always tab-completes directories anyway.
11:50:54Tornethe really fun part is if you expose a linux filesystem with filenames that violate windows vfs rules over SMB :)
11:51:02Torneit mangles them into gibberish that only preserves the first character
11:51:24Torneso your ""S.C.I.E.N.C.E." will become something like Sy42Fr2
11:51:36Torneit's great.
11:51:38megal0maniacTorne: That isn't fun at all. I've had to clean up Windows' mess once before
11:51:42MaxdamantusYeah, I've played with that before.
11:51:46TorneOh, it doesn't change the actual names
11:51:52Torneit's just a remapping in samba ;)
11:51:57Torneit still writes to the right place
11:52:11megal0maniacOh. Then it was another, but similar problem
11:52:31Torneanyway, seriously, it's much easier to just give up and drop the things it doesn't like in the interests of general interoperability
11:53:04Tornerather than try and come up with clever tricks that will confuse you later ;p
11:53:08Tornebut it's your filesystem, so hey
11:54:16copperQuestion: how hard would it be to have the database be tied to specific storage media, e.g. storage UUID?
11:54:42Torneprobably not any harder than any of the other eleventy million simple database changes that nobody is willing to do because the code is gross. :)
11:54:49copperso that people could swap microsdhc cards and still be able to use the database without initializing it every time
11:55:21Torneyou'd just have to store the media id or whatever in each record and skip over them when displaying the list if it's not the current card, and also on update, don't throw away entries either
11:55:36Tornepretty simple
11:55:42megal0maniacWhat about storing the database on the card?
11:55:44copperwhy not just use different filenames?
11:55:52copperor that
11:56:03megal0maniacExcept internal storage..
11:56:05Torneif you store the database on the card, where do you store the files from the internal storage?
11:56:14Tornesplitting hte database in two and merging it *would* be hard
11:56:17Maxdamantus works as a final character.
11:56:26megal0maniacMultiple databases. Then it gets ugly. Nevermind :)
11:57:00Torneyou could just munge something into the filename, yeah
11:57:09Tornebut given that it's going to have to be handled specially it might as well be a new field
11:57:23copperyeah your solution sounds neater
11:57:25Tornethere's no advantage from hving it in there, it just means the code has to parse the filename to work out what card it's talking about
11:57:45Torneit won't be optimal this way (e.g. it will scan the internal media again each time you run update on a card)
11:57:53Tornebut it is a fairly small change conceptually
11:58:08Tornemuch more likely to be doable without deep rework of db code :)
11:59:18Tornebut yeah, just use the 4 byte volume ID from the extended BPB in the FS
12:00:21copperI guess we'll have to wait for someone to care enough to implement it
12:00:46copperI'm not sure how people would deal with multiple cards
12:01:04copperyou can't really label them to know what's on it
12:01:15Torneyou kinda can.
12:01:21Tornenail polish, or whatever :)
12:01:39coppermaybe you can stuff a single letter on there ;)
12:01:43Tornealso probably a lot of people's cards are not identical to start with
12:01:46Tornedifferent brand/size
12:02:28Torneif you can remember that the sandisk card has your classical music and the kingston one has the death metal, you're fine
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12:02:50Torneacutally i guess the kingston one should be reggae.
12:03:05copperyes but what about that epic symphonic metal album? :P
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13:24:26ZincAlloyI designed a couple of pixel fonts: maybe they should be included in the font pack?
13:25:03ZincAlloynot sure about custard, though. I based that one on Verdana
13:27:22copperthey're nice
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13:29:09ZincAlloythanks. that was the idea :D
13:31:14ZincAlloyI've been using Helvetica 10 on my player and it looked a bit messy, so I decided that I needed to make something cleaner looking, roughly the same size
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13:36:42copperZincAlloy: I suggest you rename your zip file to something more specific and make a permanent link to it
13:36:48copperfor now anyway
13:37:01coppermaybe publish the link on the Rockbox forum
13:37:09ZincAlloywill do!
13:37:12copperso people can find it
13:37:33copperdescribe the fonts and possibly post a couple screenshots from the sim
13:37:40ZincAlloyI better put the usual file structure inside
13:37:45copperthat too
13:39:11copperafter you've done all that, theme authors will be able to link to your forum post and users will be able to easily evaluate the font and whether they want it or not
13:39:28copperand determine*
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13:40:49ZincAlloyI should add some screenshots as well
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14:00:01pixelmaif they are properly licensed he could try to get them included in the source
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14:09:45ZincAlloypixelma: I drew all of them myself. Only custard is based on Verdana, but I didn't use an actual Verdana font file to create the rockbox font
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15:13:31copperIs positive volume (> 0dB) in rockbox handled in the digital domain, or the analog domain?
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15:19:12pamaurycopper: if volume is hardware based, it's all in the analog domain
15:20:23copperokay, thanks
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15:58:41ZincAlloydamn, gotta nudge up most of my fonts 1px so that they're in line with the icons..
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16:32:55redhotHowdy Rckboxers!
16:33:49redhotGot a question
16:34:12redhotI have Sansa Clip+ with Rockbox 3.13
16:34:29redhotSometimes I forget to switch it off
16:34:50redhotEven with earphones disconnected the battery runs empty
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16:35:25redhotcopper: howdy! :)
16:36:17redhotbut if earphones disconnected and playback is on
16:36:26redhotit'll run empty anyway, right?
16:38:18copperit will run until the playlist is over (if you don't have repeat on) and then shut down after the idle time
16:38:49redhotcopper: so no way to detect state of earphones?
16:39:03gevaertsI don't think the clip+ has the necessary hardware for that
16:39:05gevaertsNot sure though
16:39:39gevaertsRockbox can do that in general, but the hardware has to support it and the device-specific detection code has to be written
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16:43:02redhotgevaerts sounds sad
16:43:21gevaertsI do not!
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16:43:38redhotgevaerts: sorry)
16:43:58gevaertsMaybe someone who actually worked on the clip+ port knows more
16:44:24redhotMy good old iRiver T50 might playback for hours without battery emptying when headphones were disconnected
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16:46:27copperyeah the iPod has that
16:46:41copperbut not the Clip+ apparently
16:46:56copperI wonder if it's related to having a TRRS socket
16:47:40redhotiPod has crappy sound... at least iPod nano
16:47:53redhotI was disappointed with it after Clip +
16:47:55copperredhot: alternatively, use this:
16:48:31copperset "Default Sleep Timer Duration" to something like 80 minutes (the maximum duration of an audio CD), and enable "Start Sleep Timer On Boot"
16:50:25copperor just pause the clip+ before disconnecting your headphones :-|
16:52:25redhotcopper: Thanks
16:52:33redhotI think I will setup sleep timer
16:53:01copperthat can mitigate lost battery usage
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16:53:45redhotYup, it's very disappointing to get to the office without music :)
16:54:17redhotJust setup sleep timer. thanks
16:54:35redhotI'll try to use Pause and Idle Timer
16:55:29redhotRockbox has so much cool things :) Still wondering
16:56:57redhotcopper: why aren't you listed here
16:57:08redhotI alwyas see you in IRC
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16:57:38*gevaerts guesses
16:57:45gevaertsBecause he didn't add himself there? :)
16:58:40redhotgevaerts: very funny!
16:58:53redhotgevaerts: just like your website))">
16:59:32gevaertsThat's not a website as such. It's a place to put stuff as needed, and because the provider doesn't want to do mail only easily
17:00:10gevaertsAlso not very on topic here
17:00:17redhotgevaerts: exactly! that's only 1 simple HTML page
17:00:41redhotyep, censorship should be mentioned now
17:01:10*gevaerts is serious about this being off-topic
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17:02:00*redhot is worrying too
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17:15:53redhotTHanks guys for your help :)
17:16:01redhotGonna go
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17:24:50*copper curses the many different kinds of USB2 connectors
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18:39:36copperMy iPod Classic outputs at most about 0.835V and my Clip+ about 0.545V. Do you guys know of DAPs that output significantly less, or more?
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18:41:54gevaertsIIRC the D2 was reputed to have a rather high output level
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18:46:23copperthe tech specs for the Cowon D2+ lists "37mW into 16Ω"
18:46:46coppersqrt(0.037 * 16) = 0.769V
18:47:03coppernot bad
18:47:09copperbut within range
18:49:50copperlooks like their most powerful DAP
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20:25:56jlbiasinicould someone have a look at g#518 and g#520 and push them? It's nothing special... Can be reviewed in 5 mins Top
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20:48:04wodzpamaury: please review g#364 once again (especially usb core changes). I would like to push this soon.
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21:16:21fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision d2249dc, 217 builds, 18 clients.
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22:24:38jlbiasinipamaury: ping
22:25:14bertrikhm, my build client isn't starting
22:25:37jlbiasinipamaury: have a look here g#523 I think I found a clean way to disable touchpad on keyhold
22:25:40fs-bluebotGerrit review #523 at : Lock touchpad on keyhold on targets that specify it by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/23/523/1)
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