| 00:00:11 | copper | see if I can isolate the problem as much as possible |
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| 02:57:41 | [Saint] | pixelma: the touchscreen variable tags do that. |
| 02:57:55 | [Saint] | variable set/get/etc. |
| 02:58:10 | [Saint] | its rather amausing if you don't know what's happening. |
| 02:58:15 | [Saint] | *amusing too. |
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| 08:58:47 | copper | interesting: the blinking bug occurs when the color of the field in question is NOT the "front color" as defined in the theme file |
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| 09:00:37 | copper | it also occurs if the background color is not the one defined in the theme |
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| 09:27:46 | * | [Saint] very much dislikes hardcoding the background/foreground colors in themes |
| 09:27:58 | [Saint] | its supposed to be user selectable. |
| 09:29:10 | [Saint] | most of the time the background color is irrelevant, due to the use of a backdrop, and the foreground color should be able to be set by the user. |
| 09:29:44 | [Saint] | nice catch, though, copper. |
| 09:29:54 | [Saint] | JdGordon_: can you think of a reason for this? |
| 09:30:06 | [Saint] | (no rush, just curious) |
| 09:33:13 | [Saint] | copper: its certainly not a "fix" for your situation, but, its good practice to not specify fg/bg colors for viewports unless it is absolutely necessary or you're going for a specific effect. |
| 09:33:48 | copper | [Saint]: hmmm, not sure what you mean |
| 09:34:18 | copper | I specify fg and bg colors in the theme file (.cfg) and a foreground color in the wps |
| 09:34:41 | copper | cabbiev2 does that |
| 09:34:50 | [Saint] | is the fg color in the .wps different from that of the fg color in the .cfg? |
| 09:35:36 | [Saint] | if its not, best to just set it via the .cfg, then the user can modify it with the color picker. |
| 09:36:48 | [Saint] | I don't believe its too well known that users can override the theme's fg/bg colors. |
| 09:38:11 | copper | yes it's different |
| 09:38:25 | copper | I set a default color, and for some fields, I use a different color, with %Vf() |
| 09:39:11 | copper | dunno if you followed, but I fixed it by putting the color definition and the metadata on the same line |
| 09:39:31 | copper | %V(140,116,170,20,-)%Vf(666666)%s%ac%?id<%id|Untitled> |
| 09:39:43 | copper | that fixes the bug, for some reason |
| 09:40:05 | [Saint] | my God that's ugly... |
| 09:40:14 | [Saint] | But, if it fixes it. |
| 09:40:33 | copper | any clue wtf is going on there? |
| 09:41:22 | [Saint] | Absolutely none. I have nbo idea why that would make a difference at all, but, there's a few tags that do Very Weird Shit (TM) relative to their placement. |
| 09:41:43 | [Saint] | This is really JdGordon_'s field of expertise. |
| 09:42:19 | copper | it's strange because I can't reproduce it on the Fuze+ |
| 09:42:21 | JdGordon_ | ? |
| 09:47:04 | [Saint] | JdGordon_: rough breakdown of it - http://pastebin.com/pS1XAMTY |
| 09:48:41 | [Saint] | the tl;dr version is (apparently) specifying a fg color anywhere other than the .cfg apparently causes scrolling text to "blink" if the viewport dimensions are quite specific. |
| 09:48:47 | copper | correction: it also blinks with significantly larger values |
| 09:49:09 | [Saint] | aha, I missed that, that makes it much easier to catch. |
| 09:51:30 | copper | it also occurs when there is no color definition in the cfg, but the wps color differs from the user set color |
| 09:54:12 | copper | aaa.cfg: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Udm5zudj |
| 09:54:38 | copper | aaa.sbs: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=efNVFchu |
| 09:55:02 | copper | aaa.wps: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SivV5uiU |
| 09:55:23 | copper | the blinking is more obvious when the length of the metadata value is only slightly larger |
| 09:55:44 | copper | when the length is significantly larger, it scrolls more or less normally, but when it stops scrolling, it disappears for a second |
| 09:56:12 | copper | the "blinking" effect is really the metadata value disappearing at a higher frequency (because of the lack of scrolling) |
| 09:56:58 | copper | for reference, this happens on my iPod Classic and in the iPod Video sim, but not on the Fuze+ |
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| 10:03:26 | copper | also happens when setting a different background color |
| 10:06:10 | copper | I don't think I can isolate it much more than that |
| 10:17:09 | copper | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12884 |
| 10:18:30 | copper | HTH |
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| 11:52:23 | jlbiasini | pamaury: ping |
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| 12:34:57 | pamaury | jlbiasini: pong |
| 12:35:45 | jlbiasini | pamaury: I've done some work to implement basic power function for the f+ touchpad following the RMI protocol |
| 12:36:33 | jlbiasini | And I've made some work to implement touchpad desactivation on lock and also having volume keys while being lock |
| 12:37:04 | jlbiasini | I tried to do it as clean as I could but I would need your advice on how to mae it cleaner |
| 12:38:54 | jlbiasini | It's difficult to get direction because there are basically 3 kind of people: people who have no clue about rb and programming, people who are against such implementation, people that don't care if it's implemented because they don't have a f+ |
| 12:39:47 | jlbiasini | with the notable exception of gewearts that give me a hint on how it should be done (see yesterday log) |
| 12:40:04 | pamaury | ok, is it on gerrit ? |
| 12:41:46 | jlbiasini | pamaury: yes, patches are: g#523 g#524 g#525 g526 g#527 |
| 12:41:49 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #523 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/523 : Disable touch device on keyhold for targets that handle it by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/23/523/3) |
| 12:41:51 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #524 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/524 : Do not lock hard keys on touchpad device by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/24/524/2) |
| 12:41:53 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #525 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/525 : [Fuze+][Touchpad] Improve touchpad power managment by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/25/525/4) |
| 12:41:55 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #526 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/526 : [Fuze+] activate the automatic touchpad disable on keylock by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/26/526/1) |
| 12:41:56 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #527 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/527 : [Fuze+] Define Hard keys for Fuze+ by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/27/527/1) |
| 12:42:16 | jlbiasini | good bot! /me scratchs bot |
| 12:43:11 | jlbiasini | pamaury: you don't have to bother rewriting stuff, just tell me want to do! |
| 12:44:00 | jlbiasini | pamaury: I'm also testing having low power seting for the touchpad and it seems to be just as stable as normal power |
| 12:44:22 | jlbiasini | I want to test it a bit over to see if its really stable |
| 12:45:03 | pamaury | jlbiasini: out of curiosity, I wonder if the touchpad consumes a lot of energy or not, ie does it save battery to enter low power mode or not. |
| 12:45:23 | jlbiasini | yes that what I want to know to |
| 12:45:24 | pamaury | I'll have a look at this, you have been on fire this week-end |
| 12:45:42 | jlbiasini | yes!! |
| 12:45:59 | jlbiasini | but the basoc implementation was not that difficult |
| 12:46:10 | pamaury | My guess is that it doesn't consume much power, much less than the screen for example |
| 12:48:08 | jlbiasini | for what gevearts told me: first i've to separate the disabling of touchpad from putting it to sleeps, we should generalised that code to any touch device... |
| 12:48:52 | pamaury | ok, i'm going for lunch, we can discuss that later, or maybe example that better to me |
| 12:49:39 | jlbiasini | pamaury: what do you mean by " example that better to me"? |
| 12:51:16 | copper | haha |
| 12:51:19 | copper | explain, perhaps |
| 12:51:37 | copper | netsplit between his brain and his fingers |
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| 13:32:29 | pamaury | jlbiasini: why do we need to separate sleep for disable ? |
| 13:32:50 | pamaury | I guess that's just to make it more general, because some touchpad may have a power gate |
| 13:34:22 | jlbiasini | I think he means that not responding to touchpad and putting it to sleep should be 2 different stuff (example: not reponding to touch device while locked shouldn't be dependend on device's driver handling power function) |
| 13:35:06 | pamaury | ok, make sense |
| 13:35:55 | jlbiasini | he also told me something about putting those those 2 function touchdev_wakeup and touchdev_disable in another place more general |
| 13:37:15 | jlbiasini | "in button.h" to quote him |
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| 13:44:34 | jlbiasini | pamaury: but it add a dificulty: the advantage of disabling the touchpad is that action.c doesn't have to bother from where are coming the key shooted (hardkeys vs virtual) after that. So for instance I don't know what would be cleaner to turn that around. I can either have a define of all non virtual keys for each touch device, that I compare to the key fire in action and ignore it while locked OR I can rewrite touch device drivers to have a void |
| 13:44:34 | jlbiasini | touchdev_shutthefuckup(void) function that keep it quiet |
| 13:45:40 | lorenzo92 | I like the patches above, very useful when I resume R1 port ;) |
| 13:45:59 | lorenzo92 | +1 for the function name too :D |
| 13:47:14 | jlbiasini | thks, do you mean you are using those patch on another port? or that they interfere with it? |
| 13:47:32 | lorenzo92 | nono just because R1 has a touchscreen :) |
| 13:47:46 | jlbiasini | great |
| 13:48:05 | lorenzo92 | you can find the source for it as a gerrit patch, let me see (it's quite some time, I need to clean it up :) ) |
| 13:48:09 | jlbiasini | like I said we are looking on how to make it the more general as possible |
| 13:48:58 | lorenzo92 | jlbiasini: g#395 |
| 13:49:02 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #395 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/395 : Samsung YP-R1 target port! by Lorenzo Miori (changes/95/395/3) |
| 13:49:16 | lorenzo92 | (this bot is pretty ^^) |
| 13:50:48 | jlbiasini | lorenzo92: you mean that you have a fully functionnable port on gerrit, why isn't it merge as unstable already? |
| 13:51:32 | jlbiasini | kugel: ping |
| 13:51:35 | lorenzo92 | no idea, I think there was an issue regarding plugins (i.e. too many change in a shot), kugel knows. |
| 13:51:44 | lorenzo92 | I need to clean it up now |
| 13:52:17 | jlbiasini | talking of kugel is he in holiday or something? |
| 13:52:25 | lorenzo92 | once my firmware tools are merged ( g#506) |
| 13:52:29 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #506 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/506 : Firmware tools for Samsung YP-R0/YP-R1 (and possibly others) by Lorenzo Miori (changes/06/506/4) |
| 13:53:01 | jlbiasini | I have a few plugin PLAzation toget reviewed... |
| 13:53:19 | jlbiasini | great |
| 13:54:05 | jlbiasini | pamaury: any idea about the best way to ignore touchdev? ^ |
| 13:54:32 | jlbiasini | or should I ask on mail? |
| 13:55:55 | lorenzo92 | by the way, maybe a silly question, I have some python scripts I used to decompress some newer samsung firmware files. they are very rough, is it wort putting them in rockbox utils/ ? |
| 13:56:19 | lorenzo92 | ah also some tools to manipulate .aui samsung sound resource files |
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| 14:03:59 | pamaury | jlbiasini: good question, I don't know what is the best solution, I think being able to disable the touchpad is better than having a distinction between hard and soft keys |
| 14:05:18 | jlbiasini | any idea how many touchdevice we have? |
| 14:05:41 | lorenzo92 | samsung YP-R1, hosted, has a nice touch driver (multi touch too!!) |
| 14:05:46 | jlbiasini | I'm on for a drivers rewriting session... |
| 14:06:19 | jlbiasini | wait I will ask on the mailing list anyway just to be sure I don't start something for nothing |
| 14:06:39 | lorenzo92 | indeed, let's discuss that there... |
| 14:08:28 | jlbiasini | lorenzo92 is that touchpad RMI? |
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| 14:10:53 | lorenzo92 | jlbiasini: hum I don't know, how to see that? |
| 14:11:15 | lorenzo92 | btw, RMI stands for? I don't think it's related to java ^^ |
| 14:11:34 | jlbiasini | arf no it's a hosted so I guess you get the virtual button directly from os |
| 14:12:02 | lorenzo92 | nope |
| 14:12:07 | lorenzo92 | I manage the chip directly |
| 14:12:17 | lorenzo92 | it's a special hosted, like R0 :) |
| 14:12:51 | lorenzo92 | it's just a standalone player which runs linux, but most of the control is still done by some app (the only running) |
| 14:13:37 | jlbiasini | yes I had a look at your code so I don't think it directly called |
| 14:14:14 | lorenzo92 | practically I get a data blob |
| 14:22:46 | [Saint] | the R* ports are quite clever. |
| 14:24:47 | [Saint] | its a shame my R0 decided to wreck itself. its a weird device, but its quite nice. |
| 14:28:19 | lorenzo92 | why weird? :) |
| 14:28:45 | lorenzo92 | for me after almost 3 years of usage is still fine and I like it |
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| 14:37:22 | jlbiasini | pamaury: for a start should the power function be implemented directly in the RMI driver? |
| 14:37:54 | [Saint] | Oh, I liked it. I guess I mean...different, not weird, most of my targets are scrollwheel/clickwheel type. |
| 14:39:12 | [Saint] | Various iPods, Fuze V1/2, various Clip variants etc. |
| 14:39:50 | lorenzo92 | ah yeah now I get the meaning, yes you are absolutely right :) |
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| 14:54:24 | jlbiasini | paaury: any idea why the fuze+ bootloader display a different charge value than rockbox? |
| 14:54:40 | jlbiasini | pamaury:^ |
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| 15:18:34 | kugel | jlbiasini: no, just very busy at the moment (master thesis, etc) |
| 15:20:59 | jlbiasini | kugel: ok ok I just have to very obvious PLA patches for plugin g#518 and g#520 those are exact replica of previously pushed ones |
| 15:21:03 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #518 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/518 : [Plugins] Stopwatch PLA integration by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/18/518/3) |
| 15:21:06 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #520 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/520 : [Plugins] text_editor PLA integration by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/20/520/2) |
| 15:21:51 | jlbiasini | so if you have 5 minutes you can push it but there is of course no hurry about them... |
| 15:22:11 | jlbiasini | I have to go |
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| 17:56:19 | pamaury | jlbiasini: yes, we can implement touchpad disable and low power in RMI (i'm not sure low power is needed, just disable) |
| 17:57:06 | pamaury | jlbiasini: probably because in rockbox the battery charge is filtered whereas the bootloader shows the raw value |
| 17:57:22 | jlbiasini | well as it is in the rmi sheet I thought to implement it but if it's really useless |
| 17:57:25 | pamaury | by the way, I think we might need to recalibrate the charge/discharge curves |
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| 17:58:09 | jlbiasini | pamaury I making some bettery test with the power state low_power |
| 17:58:26 | jlbiasini | how long do you think we need to have a reliable idea? |
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| 18:00:02 | jlbiasini | the point of low power can be to save more power on device that can be use like that without any difference |
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| 18:00:48 | jlbiasini | I've been using it for 2 days now and it's really just as in normal mode whereas very_low_power make it difficult to use |
| 18:01:23 | pamaury | I would do a normal battery bench (ie big album), for at least 10 hours |
| 18:01:54 | jlbiasini | ok it's on |
| 18:02:07 | pamaury | maybe start with normal vs very_low_power, to make the difference more obvious if any |
| 18:02:43 | jlbiasini | did you noticed that the bootloader report a different power level than rockbox, |
| 18:03:26 | jlbiasini | well I'm starting with disable |
| 18:03:57 | jlbiasini | because anyway this is what we will have when the device is lockes |
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| 18:05:25 | pamaury | the difference comes from bad calibration probably, as I said we need to redo the charge/discharge curve |
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| 18:55:42 | jlbiasini | pamaury: talking about power I saw that a lot of lcd driver implement lcd_power_off/on but not the fuzeplus. Is ist because ours lcd cannot be put to sleep or because you didn't wrote the function yet? |
| 18:57:59 | jlbiasini | well the ili9325 datasheet does document a sleep mode |
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| 19:18:56 | jlbiasini | pamaury actually if the very low power mode is really interesting we could set it after some inactivity then go back to the normal mode on first touch. The way I implement it could even be more power saving because I didn't reduce the reporting rate that could also be cut down while not active... |
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| 20:00:43 | bertrik | pamaury: you or wodz found out that we don't do the sd card switch_func command quite right on AMSv1/2, right? |
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| 21:14:41 | dunpeal | what's "PLA integration"? |
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| 22:30:29 | saratoga_ | dunpeal: IIRC its a system for having generic keymaps for some plugins |
| 22:31:53 | micah | i've got an ipod classic, 80gb and looking at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodClassicPort - it looks like I can put rockbox on, but i'm not positive I understand the steps here |
| 22:32:01 | micah | i think the first thing I'll do is charge it all the way up |
| 22:33:20 | micah | but I'm wondering if this thing is any good |
| 22:33:39 | micah | i plugged it into my linux system and I got weird errors in dmesg |
| 22:35:35 | gevaerts | What sort of errors? |
| 22:51:19 | micah | Gallomimia: [201706.648645] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE |
| 22:51:23 | micah | [201706.648653] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] |
| 22:51:25 | micah | [201706.648667] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error |
| 22:51:32 | micah | [201725.169633] end_request: critical target error, dev sdh, sector 155907504 |
| 22:51:41 | micah | etc... I can pastebin the whole thing if you think it is useful |
| 22:52:09 | micah | this device has been used on an apple, but not for a long time, it is now on and saying "Connected Eject before disconnecting" |
| 22:52:18 | micah | i dont know what that means to 'eject before..." |
| 22:52:35 | gevaerts | Unmount, basically |
| 22:52:46 | gevaerts | But that does look like a disk going bad |
| 22:53:07 | micah | the drive isn't mounted, so I wouldn't be able to unmount it |
| 22:53:22 | gevaerts | Yes, but it doesn't really know that :) |
| 22:53:50 | micah | is there a way to check the drive's integrity? I could try and run badblocks on it to remap bad blocks... |
| 22:54:40 | micah | it seems to function fine in the ipod interface |
| 22:55:06 | micah | but it does have a noticible "sound" to it |
| 22:55:13 | micah | when I plug in the usb cable |
| 22:55:18 | gevaerts | There's a diagnostic mode on at least some of the ipods IIRC that can do SMART, but I don't know about the classic |
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| 22:56:01 | gevaerts | Well, if you figure out where the bad blocks are, you might be able to work around them with some creative partitioning |
| 22:56:31 | gevaerts | But then errors tend to spread over time, so that probably isn't a good long term solution |
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| 23:07:20 | micah | gevaerts: i've had good luck mapping out badblocks in disks I've used over time, so I'll give it a try |
| 23:07:32 | micah | but... once I'm done with this - what is the process I need to do to get rockbox on this bad boy |
| 23:07:36 | gevaerts | It definitely can't hurt |
| 23:07:53 | micah | it looks like maybe first I need to get the emCORE bootloader on it |
| 23:09:18 | gevaerts | Yes. I'm not a specialist (I don't have a classic myself), but I understand you install emcore on it, which might include a rockbox build IIUC, and then you install a fresh rockbox build (the one included with emcore is *old*, but kept there because it's known to be working at least well enough to recover stuff with) |
| 23:10:36 | micah | ok, i'll do some disk testing first and then try to get emcore on there and then see if I have troubles |
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| 23:15:26 | TheSeven | there's also hddscan2 :) |
| 23:15:56 | TheSeven | which I developed exactly for that purpose (to take care of buggy toshiba ipod drives which run out of spare sectors) |
| 23:16:46 | TheSeven | emcore (and rockbox, at least with a patch) can load a software bad block remapping layer which takes care of this |
| 23:17:31 | TheSeven | and hddscan2 is the tool which scans the drive's surface (taking the firmware bugs into account, which makes the scan take literally days to weeks), and sets up the remapping data structures on the drive |
| 23:20:28 | micah | TheSeven: days to weeks? |
| 23:20:29 | micah | wow |
| 23:20:40 | micah | i was hoping to use this in one week's time :) |
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| 23:21:21 | micah | TheSeven: do you have a link to hddscan2? |
| 23:21:39 | micah | i'm finding hddscan, but not 2 |
| 23:22:36 | micah | oh is that part of emcore? |
| 23:22:52 | TheSeven | http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/hddscan2.ubi |
| 23:23:10 | micah | sorry I'm a bit new here, what is a .ubi file? |
| 23:23:17 | TheSeven | basically a boot image |
| 23:23:39 | TheSeven | in this case an emcore kernel with the hddscan2 app embedded into it |
| 23:23:43 | micah | ok, do I just dd that over my ipod? :) |
| 23:23:58 | TheSeven | you boot the ipod into UMSboot mode, and drop the ubi file into the ramdisk |
| 23:24:43 | * | micah looks up what UMSboot mode is |
| 23:26:17 | micah | is this it? http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/PrepareDFULinux |
| 23:26:57 | TheSeven | yes, that's the way to load UMSboot on a non-emcore'd ipod |
| 23:27:06 | TheSeven | once emcore is installed you can just launch it from the boot menu |
| 23:28:02 | micah | TheSeven: oh ok, I'm going to emcore this anyways. so I can just do that. I just need to figure out how to emcore it :) |
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| 23:28:41 | micah | seems like that is the process to do that |
| 23:28:53 | TheSeven | once you're in UMSboot mode, just drop the installer UBI file into the ramdisk :) |
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