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03:38:43 | rdn | the bootloader seems to be corrupting any formatted disk |
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10:00:20 | JdGordon | [Saint]: yes |
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10:02:30 | [Saint] | now I have to remember what I asked... |
10:02:45 | JdGordon | scrollbar skining without sknned lists |
10:05:12 | [Saint] | Oh? It can be done? |
10:08:25 | [Saint] | Or is that, "yes, its a shame it can't be done"? |
10:10:18 | copper | [Saint]: Yes. |
10:10:37 | [Saint] | shush you! :P |
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10:29:00 | [Saint] | Its a rather annoying tradeoff. |
10:30:39 | [Saint] | go for a 100% OF clone, and theme the scrollbar, but make the theme an absolute nightmare if I want to be able to hand control of icon/scrollbar elements, or draw the lists with the built-in system and have everything "Just Work" but lack the themed scrollbar. |
10:31:17 | [Saint] | s/elements/elements off to the user/ |
10:34:51 | [Saint] | and also lack the little ">" thing the OF does for directories and menu structures. |
10:35:01 | [Saint] | Hummm... |
10:39:54 | JdGordon | [Saint]: yes, thats a no it cant be done |
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11:47:22 | pixelma | Unifont probably can't be used in the small sizes needed for the very small display cabbiev2s |
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11:51:39 | [Saint] | I think the smallest it can usably go is 10px |
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13:59:24 | pamaury | jlbiasini: pong |
13:59:43 | jlbiasini | pamaury: I have a few questions/remarks |
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14:00:29 | pamaury | yes ? I have not been very active this week sorry |
14:00:50 | jlbiasini | first I just finished my test on F+ with touchpad disable. It runs 43.5 hours wich is 10% better than last time I runned a test |
14:01:22 | jlbiasini | I was at the black sea and didn't do a single thing since we last talked... |
14:01:47 | jlbiasini | EXCEPT I tried to look at the power at the lcd |
14:02:15 | jlbiasini | there is indeed a standby mode and it is the same register and code for bother lcd kinds |
14:02:27 | pamaury | great :) The lcd is already set in standby mode iirc |
14:03:29 | jlbiasini | I have problem usind the function write register because it doesn't seems to work |
14:03:46 | jlbiasini | So I wanted to know if there is anything special about it |
14:04:44 | jlbiasini | also the register in lcd have this strange notation 0x10h, what does the h stand for? big-endian or something? |
14:05:03 | pamaury | probably a typo |
14:05:26 | pamaury | I think the lcd_enable functions already power down the lcd when disabled |
14:05:39 | jlbiasini | no all the register descibe in the documentation are refered to with a h at the end |
14:06:10 | pamaury | just a weird notation then |
14:07:05 | jlbiasini | I don't know because I noticed that a lot of other target lcd drivers were implementing a lcd power off/on function but not f+ so I wanted to ask if this is on purpose... |
14:07:22 | pamaury | it has lcd_enable, that's sufficient |
14:07:59 | jlbiasini | ok I will check that code then |
14:09:14 | pamaury | I don't think the lcd can be optimise much further, the backlight is really what consumes a lot of power. On the other hand it's great that the touchpad can save so much |
14:11:05 | pamaury | Does your f+ sometimes freezes during playback ? Apparently some guy on the forum keeps reporting this issue |
14:11:12 | jlbiasini | yes I was also considering this: check the activity and turn to very low every time no activity occurs since 5 minute or so... |
14:12:31 | pamaury | yes, I thought about this too |
14:13:02 | jlbiasini | well I have a issue while playing that could be mistaken for a freeze: FS #12874 |
14:13:18 | pamaury | did you check consumption of the different sleep modes ? |
14:13:22 | jlbiasini | that would be fixed once we disable touchpad |
14:13:41 | jlbiasini | didn't have time only with disable for now |
14:14:03 | jlbiasini | see on the battery benchmark wiki's page I just post it |
14:15:24 | pamaury | we should update the runtimes to reflect the current HEAD runtime |
14:15:25 | jlbiasini | regarding lowering power while no activity is spotted, should this be in the rmi part or in the fuze+ touchpad driver? |
14:16:03 | jlbiasini | yeah the last report says 17 hours, quite outdated... |
14:16:51 | pamaury | fuze+ touchpad code, in the thread |
14:17:36 | jlbiasini | ok |
14:17:57 | jlbiasini | I have a planning for the afternoon then ;) |
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14:18:27 | pamaury | the issue of wrong touchpad key when screen is off still exists, very hard to track |
14:21:48 | pamaury | Do you want me to write some prototype code for this auto-sleep when there is no activity ? |
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14:38:10 | jlbiasini | pamaury: yes please! |
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14:44:52 | jlbiasini | pamaury: ok so it seems that the lcd is already in stb mode, as you said. For the prototype, yes if you have time that would help! :D |
14:45:27 | jlbiasini | anyway first I have to move my code to the rmi |
14:45:42 | jlbiasini | I mean the general power setting code |
14:48:10 | pamaury | I can do this if you want, except if you already have some rmi code |
14:49:11 | jlbiasini | no I don't have anything, I was thinking to transfers the code from my patches end try to inspire myself from what is already there |
14:49:22 | jlbiasini | *and |
14:50:04 | jlbiasini | but that's ok I would like to give it a try you will tell me if some thing is not done the right way... |
14:50:24 | pamaury | ok |
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15:34:59 | pamaury | jlbiasini: pamaury/6094887">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/6094887 |
15:35:20 | pamaury | basically you have to implement a function call rmi_set_sleep_mode(int mode) and a few defines for the sleep modes |
15:35:43 | pamaury | this function should cache the current mode to avoid doing a write when the requested mode is already the one set |
15:55:38 | jlbiasini | pamaury ok |
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16:24:37 | lorenzo92 | how is it possible that a system() call crashes the application? to say, I'm in rockbox hosted... |
16:25:46 | lorenzo92 | well also the screendump via usb crashes pff |
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17:03:02 | micah | hm. I'm surprised nobody has added podcast support to rockbox |
17:09:06 | copper | ? |
17:09:13 | copper | a podcast is just an MP3 file |
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17:11:50 | micah | copper: the problem I have is that I have maybe 5 podcasts I listen to, and I sync'd over about 20 of them. then if I listen to three of one particular podcast, then I go and listen to another podcast...I quickly lose track of which ones I've already listened to |
17:12:35 | micah | if I could have the file deleted after I'm done listening to it, or somehow move it to a Listened directory or something, or grey it out so I know I've listened, that would do wonders |
17:13:40 | micah | they get genre tagged as Podcast in the database, but it doesn't help me remember which ones I've listened to |
17:15:01 | micah | What I am looking for is basically a playlist for each podcast sorted by newest first, also mark podcasts as listened to when you are done, and keep track of where you are in the podcast if you stop listening and come back later. |
17:15:15 | micah | i can get the last part by turning on the resume playback options globally |
17:17:12 | lorenzo92 | is someone good at usb code? there is some concurrency issue or so when using screendump on my hosted target and I cannot figure out what's the problem |
17:19:39 | micah | this might work for me, if I could figure out how to add it to my rockbox:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12054?string=podcast |
17:23:07 | copper | micah: you can easily delete files |
17:23:12 | copper | long press select on the file |
17:27:04 | micah | copper: thanks! I didn't know about that context menu |
17:27:20 | micah | I'm thinking one of these custom tagnavi's would work too: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataBase#Examples |
17:27:26 | copper | yah, was gonna say |
17:28:41 | micah | copper: once I put a tagnavi_custom.config into .rockbox, do I need to do something? like update the database or? |
17:29:14 | copper | reboot, I think |
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17:35:23 | micah | copper: how do I reboot? :o |
17:35:31 | copper | lol |
17:35:39 | copper | turn off, turn on :D |
17:35:50 | micah | i have no off. i just have lock |
17:35:54 | copper | what? |
17:36:09 | micah | i mean my hardware, an ipod classic, only has a lock button |
17:36:15 | copper | ugh |
17:36:16 | micah | to keep you from pressing buttons |
17:36:17 | copper | long press play |
17:36:33 | micah | aha, thanks |
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17:39:32 | copper | micah: too hard reboot, long press Menu + Select |
17:39:44 | copper | e.g. when rockbox crashes |
17:41:16 | gevaerts | But don't do that unless it's needed... |
17:42:04 | copper | to* |
17:42:06 | [Saint] | When I consider it, its not unsurprising that most Classic users know nothing of the inner workings of Rockbox. |
17:42:29 | copper | hmmm? |
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17:42:56 | copper | what's different about Classic users? |
17:44:03 | [Saint] | Many of them come from half-baked tutorials scattered about the place, there's no manual for the Rockbox port, a large percentage of them don't even realize they can and should update the build immediately after installation - or where to get that build from. |
17:45:21 | copper | ah |
17:45:38 | copper | indeed |
17:45:51 | copper | I don't think the classic build is even linked anywhere |
17:45:57 | copper | I got it from here |
17:48:14 | copper | ha |
17:48:16 | copper | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodClassicPort |
17:55:59 | [Saint] | There seems to be a reasonably high bar for installation, it seems. |
17:57:16 | [Saint] | I try to help those I can, but often people drop in to one of the freemyipod channels, say something vague, wait 15 seconds, then leave. |
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18:21:48 | jlbiasini | pamaury: for the rmi part would g#529 be ok? |
18:23:30 | jlbiasini | http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/529/ [RMI Driver] Implement power saving support |
18:30:33 | pamaury | jlbiasini: not really, you do a read on each call, that's not very good |
18:31:02 | jlbiasini | jep I was askink me how to do otherwise |
18:31:46 | jlbiasini | because the compiler don't like if I inialize current_control_register... |
18:31:59 | pamaury | and I think there is no need to set the report rate when disabling the touchpad since no report will be sent. Wait a second, i'll write a little patch to show you the idea |
18:32:19 | jlbiasini | ok thks |
18:33:42 | jlbiasini | about the report rate I don't know, first I make a function that wad cutting down the report rate on disable but then I realize I would have to reset it on wakeup and that would add useless complexity |
18:33:44 | pamaury | I suggest we introduce a rmi_init() function |
18:34:18 | pamaury | err, we use the rmi_init() function |
18:34:41 | jlbiasini | pamaury I don't know because different device might use different values |
18:35:01 | pamaury | the rmi code only handles one device |
18:35:12 | jlbiasini | so it might be good to still define all power in the device driver |
18:35:44 | jlbiasini | for now but aren't we suppose to write it as general as possible? |
18:37:50 | pamaury | yes but honestly what is the probability that a device gets two rmi devices ? And in such a device, it suffices to add an index to all functions and use arrays to handle several devices |
18:38:35 | jlbiasini | ok |
18:39:49 | pamaury | pamaury/6095412">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/6095412 |
18:40:31 | pamaury | by the way, it's "fully awake" and not "fully aware" ;) |
18:42:08 | jlbiasini | yeah I probably red too much indian philosophy... :D |
18:43:05 | copper | I green too much too |
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19:06:39 | jlbiasini | pamaury: I just uploaded a new version |
19:08:00 | pamaury | i'm not sure it is necessary to check the value of sleep_mode, the caller should always use the define |
19:08:14 | pamaury | same for report_rate |
19:08:45 | pamaury | seems fine, except for the name: why rmi_set_report_rate*_mode* ? |
19:09:06 | pamaury | it's a detail but I don't like this _mode at the end :p |
19:10:30 | pamaury | ah 0xf0 is wrong, it should be 0xc0, only the two msb bits are used |
19:14:30 | jlbiasini | ah right I forgot that because the other bytes were unuse anyway, I'll correct that |
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19:21:55 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: you perhaps have some hints...as i wrote before, i'm having a strage issue...once doing something on usb connection, to say, a screendump or something in usb_enable, makes the rockbox app crash. i know you worked on usb code, so... |
19:23:04 | pamaury | seems like stack is too small, on which target ? |
19:23:07 | lorenzo92 | it's like a concurrency issue, but I have no clue what's the cause. the only thing i know is that even inserting some logf/printf in the right places makes it work |
19:23:12 | lorenzo92 | ypr0, so hosted |
19:23:54 | pamaury | ah sorry, not necessarily screendump |
19:24:17 | jlbiasini | pamaury: ok I updated again that should be ready now |
19:24:47 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: indeed, i need for example a system() call but everything i put, it simply crashes |
19:25:03 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: btw, interesting is that the screendump is saved!! |
19:25:20 | pamaury | seems like a memory problem then, not really related to usb |
19:25:52 | pamaury | jlbiasini: seems good, did you test |
19:25:53 | pamaury | ? |
19:26:30 | pamaury | by the way, if you feel like doing so, you could enhance the fuze+ button debug screen to display the report rate and sleep mode |
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19:26:35 | jlbiasini | it compiles |
19:26:55 | jlbiasini | but for testing i'll write the fuze+ part |
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19:28:08 | pamaury | ok |
19:30:38 | jlbiasini | pamaury: yeah I already did something so, I was also thiking to use vol key to change them now that sensitivity has its own setting... |
19:30:57 | jlbiasini | I mean about debug screen |
19:32:24 | pamaury | as you wish |
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20:05:12 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: hum it might be after all, I also think that long time ago i actually got a segmentation fault |
20:05:50 | lorenzo92 | i think i'm going to use gdb ;) |
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20:09:29 | lorenzo92 | i'll prepare the "uart equipment" via usb ^^ |
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20:26:17 | micah | [Saint]: i think I have an updated version of rockbox, but I agree, I feel a bit detatched :) |
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21:50:59 | saratoga | are any of the swedes back from vacation yet? |
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22:01:30 | saratoga | does anyone with a fuze+ feel like running test_codec and putting the results on the wiki? |
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22:15:50 | copper | saratoga: what kind of test is that? |
22:15:57 | copper | codec performance? |
22:16:13 | saratoga | yeah |
22:16:18 | saratoga | benchmarks each codec |
22:16:24 | copper | I can do it tomorrow morning if you tell me what to do |
22:16:38 | saratoga | standard test files are here: http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/ |
22:16:56 | saratoga | configure a build, choose advanced and then "test_codecs" |
22:17:14 | saratoga | then you can "open with" any audio file and choose test_codec |
22:17:34 | saratoga | it can test individual files, or that entire directory, and it will generate a log with the decode speed |
22:18:08 | saratoga | sorry, above the configure option is called "Advanced > Test Plugins" I believe (there are many different ones besides test_codec) |
22:18:29 | copper | "(W)arble codec tool" |
22:18:31 | copper | ? |
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22:18:49 | copper | ah |
22:20:06 | copper | saratoga: make && make zip? |
22:20:33 | saratoga | no thats something else |
22:20:42 | saratoga | that lets you run the codecs from the command line on a PC |
22:21:53 | saratoga | test_codec runs them on device for benchmarking |
22:22:25 | copper | I don't understand, what do I do after ../tools/configure? |
22:23:18 | saratoga | enable the test test plugins |
22:24:28 | copper | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7pyk9i6Z |
22:24:36 | copper | then what? |
22:25:16 | saratoga | thats all you need to do to enable them |
22:25:28 | copper | yes :) But then what? |
22:25:32 | saratoga | if you install that build, you can open any audio file with test_codec |
22:25:41 | copper | so, what I said |
22:25:43 | saratoga | it'll be under the list of available viewer plugins |
22:25:43 | copper | make && make zip |
22:25:57 | copper | right? |
22:26:15 | copper | to make the build and install it on the Fuze+, right? |
22:26:23 | saratoga | yes if I understand you correctly |
22:26:30 | saratoga | i thought above you were asking what warble did |
22:26:38 | copper | never mind that |
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22:27:24 | copper | ugh, files are downloading slowly |
22:27:30 | copper | also, a single zip file would be nice |
22:27:34 | copper | I had to script wget |
22:27:55 | copper | which took all of ten seconds, which is totally unacceptable ;) |
22:28:43 | gevaerts | You had to *script* wget? |
22:28:49 | copper | saratoga: can you link me to the proper wiki page when I should post the log? |
22:28:59 | * | gevaerts just runs wget -r -np http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/ |
22:29:28 | copper | well |
22:29:31 | copper | I did NOT know that |
22:29:44 | copper | actually |
22:29:49 | saratoga | copper: there is a script in the tools folder (IIRC) that converts it to wiki formatted text, or you can just pastebin it here and i'll format it for you if you like that better |
22:29:55 | copper | I suspected wget had a leeching parameter |
22:31:00 | copper | saratoga: we're on different time zones |
22:31:24 | copper | or I pastebin it while highlighting you, and you'll check the logs? |
22:32:21 | saratoga | yeah i'll check the logs |
22:32:27 | saratoga | or you can ping me |
22:32:33 | saratoga | it'll probably take a while to run |
22:32:48 | saratoga | and i'd skip the higher APE compression levels |
22:33:01 | saratoga | no one expects you to wait about 3 hours to test APE insane :) |
22:33:40 | copper | actually I plan on letting it run overnight |
22:34:00 | copper | the Fuze+ won't shut down until it's done testing, right? |
22:34:15 | copper | I'll just charge it to 100% and launch the tests |
22:35:13 | copper | also, about USB problems: looks like the main culprit is my ODAC |
22:35:32 | copper | these I get zero problems, and it just so happens that I always disconnect my ODAC |
22:35:43 | copper | before connecting my Fuze+ or my iPod Classic |
22:36:09 | saratoga | 99% sure it won't shut down while running, but i forget |
22:37:01 | copper | ok |
22:37:12 | copper | what test_codec option should I select? |
22:37:36 | copper | "speed test folder"? |
22:39:40 | copper | I ran "speed test" on a single file, it completed, but I don't see a log file |
22:40:53 | saratoga | yeah single files don't generate a log |
22:40:58 | saratoga | i think only the folder option does |
22:41:23 | saratoga | the log is just what you see on the screen except concatenated into a text file |
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22:43:08 | copper | I still don't see it |
22:43:14 | copper | with "speed test folder" |
22:43:37 | copper | where is it supposed to be, and what's its name? |
22:44:07 | copper | ah |
22:44:10 | copper | nm |
22:46:36 | copper | saratoga: ok, I'll post the log about 12 hours from now, if it has completed by then |
22:46:51 | saratoga | thanks |
22:48:27 | copper | np |
22:49:36 | copper | are you trying to determine what codec could use some optimizations? |
22:49:51 | copper | or you just want to compare with another target |
22:55:29 | copper | (I don't mean to pry, I'm just curious) |
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23:06:56 | saratoga | i'm mostly just curious how fast the processor is |
23:07:12 | saratoga | but its also interesting to see which codecs might need more optimization on a given device |
23:07:43 | copper | is it supposed to be slower than, say, the iPod Classic? |
23:07:53 | saratoga | i think it'll be a lot faster |
23:07:58 | copper | oh? |
23:08:03 | saratoga | whats the clock speed? |
23:08:17 | saratoga | IIRC Its something like 400MHz ARM9E |
23:08:24 | copper | dunno, can't check now |
23:09:00 | copper | this will be interesting for me too |
23:09:04 | saratoga | although you never know, some of these devices have much faster or slower memory which can make a big difference |
23:09:28 | saratoga | AMSv1 devices for instance have very slow main memory, while AMSv2 are faster but still fairly slow |
23:09:44 | saratoga | PP have slow CPUs but faster main memory and lots of IRAM |
23:09:56 | copper | saratoga: I'm skamp on HA/ABI/HF, btw, in case you didn't knwo |
23:10:16 | saratoga | yeah i remember |
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23:20:24 | copper | right now I'm using Ogg Vorbis because it's convenient |
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23:24:20 | theunleet | 160GB |
23:24:45 | theunleet | Question, I have a 7th Gen 160GB iPod classic. How do I install rockbox? Via EmCORE? |
23:29:48 | theunleet | Anyone? |
23:33:02 | saratoga | follow the directions on the wiki |
23:34:01 | copper | theunleet: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic |
23:34:19 | copper | theunleet: when it's over, update rockbox: http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip |
23:34:25 | theunleet | Awesome was already looking at that, just wanted to confirm. |
23:34:44 | copper | the build linked to by emCORE is 18 months old |
23:35:24 | theunleet | i figured i would have to update it after i was finished anyways |
23:37:21 | theunleet | Is this going to delete all data from the ipod? |
23:37:32 | copper | I can't swear that it won't |
23:37:44 | copper | it did for me the first time around, not any of the other times |
23:37:57 | copper | but your files from iTunes have shit filenames |
23:38:14 | copper | you're better off formatting the drive with emcore and copying your files over again |
23:38:37 | copper | with proper filenames and a decent directory structure |
23:38:57 | copper | the reason is that the Original Firmware uses a database that doesn't care about filenames |
23:39:12 | copper | Rockbox has a database too, but you might want to have the ability to browse by file |
23:39:38 | copper | keep in mind that you can dual boot |
23:39:43 | copper | emcore removes the original firmware |
23:40:00 | copper | you can recover the OF with iTunes, but you can't have both the OF and Rockbox on it at the same time |
23:40:15 | copper | er |
23:40:17 | copper | 21:39:39 UTC <copper> keep in mind that you can dual boot |
23:40:21 | copper | I meant CAN'T |
23:40:23 | copper | cannot |
23:40:29 | theunleet | I don't care about the OF. |
23:40:35 | theunleet | I just want Rockbox. |
23:40:50 | copper | you know what to do :) |
23:41:32 | theunleet | going to do it now xD |
23:45:46 | theunleet | flashing.... |
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23:51:11 | theunleet | so far so good |
23:54:01 | theunleet | worked first time |