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| 02:42:44 | wowaname | May i ask why Rockbox is unsupported for sixth generation iPod classic? |
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| 03:04:23 | [Saint] | It isn't "unsupported". |
| 03:04:31 | [Saint] | Its "unusable". |
| 03:04:49 | [Saint] | Which is merely a target classification, it doesn't actually mean its unusable. |
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| 03:05:39 | [Saint] | It still needs a Rockbox bootloader and Rockbox Utility before it can be moved up to "unstable". |
| 03:05:56 | [Saint] | *Rockbox Utility installation support |
| 03:06:08 | [Saint] | (there are several things about this that are non-trivial to implement) |
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| 03:07:47 | wowaname | [Saint]» thanks for the clarification |
| 03:08:06 | wowaname | i'm just looking around for something |
| 03:08:17 | wowaname | i already removed iTunes in favour of foobar |
| 03:08:46 | wowaname | i used foobar long before but had to get used to the foo_dop ipod sync extension |
| 03:09:40 | [Saint] | You can most certainly install ROckbox on this device (I use it myself), however, it requires a (rather bloated, compared to Rockbox's usual iPod bootloaders) third party tool cool emCORE. |
| 03:09:52 | wowaname | oh ok |
| 03:09:56 | wowaname | i'll look into that |
| 03:10:04 | [Saint] | There is also no diuual-boot support, and USB can be quite flakey on some machines. |
| 03:10:08 | [Saint] | see: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation |
| 03:10:16 | [Saint] | (detailed installation walkthrough) |
| 03:10:19 | wowaname | thanks |
| 03:10:37 | * | [Saint] advises wowaname to use *nix for the installation if at all possible |
| 03:10:50 | wowaname | i can do that |
| 03:11:12 | wowaname | in fact i'm using vbox with crunchbang for xchat |
| 03:11:48 | [Saint] | Aha. Excellent. Just make sure to hand over control of the device to the virtual machine, and all should go smoothly. |
| 03:12:03 | wowaname | ya |
| 03:12:20 | [Saint] | Don't be afraid to speak up if you get into trouble. But, nothing can really go /horribly/ wrong. |
| 03:12:35 | [Saint] | There is absolutely no chance of bricking the device. |
| 03:12:35 | wowaname | i'll idle here if i do |
| 03:12:37 | [Saint] | Zero. |
| 03:12:44 | wowaname | inb4 something deletes system32 |
| 03:12:49 | [Saint] | (which is what most peoiple seem to fear) |
| 03:12:51 | wowaname | on linux </irony> |
| 03:13:03 | wowaname | oh yeah i was wondering about that too |
| 03:13:16 | wowaname | the possibility of bricking |
| 03:13:19 | wowaname | well that's good |
| 03:13:46 | wowaname | lol i love how freenode always has 100+ users on channels but only a few are not idling |
| 03:14:55 | [Saint] | With the iPods, it is *exceedinly* hard to brick any of them prior to the Nano2G - and basically impossible to brick any of them post Nano2G. |
| 03:15:18 | wowaname | because: Apple just works (TM) |
| 03:15:24 | [Saint] | You'd need to go to an immense amount of effort to brick an iPod using Rockbox tools. |
| 03:15:40 | [Saint] | It is possible, but, you couldn;t do it accidentally. |
| 03:16:50 | [Saint] | With the Classic, the worst that can happen is you force it into DFU mode and then restore with iTunes. |
| 03:17:29 | [Saint] | But, yeah, that walkthrough should get you up and running. |
| 03:17:57 | wowaname | ok |
| 03:18:16 | wowaname | lol i hope to god that i dont need to reinstall that PoS iTunes |
| 03:19:16 | [Saint] | Once you have completed the installation, it is advisable to update the Rockbox image by extracting http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip to the root of the device. |
| 03:19:29 | wowaname | k |
| 03:20:09 | [Saint] | However - this may cause some issues with USB instability, or it may not. |
| 03:20:42 | wowaname | what trouble would one run into |
| 03:20:52 | wowaname | not detecting the device? |
| 03:21:30 | [Saint] | Correct. Failure to mount, or, mounting after a huge length of time and then botching transfer. |
| 03:21:37 | wowaname | ah |
| 03:21:56 | [Saint] | Fortunately there is a fallback image embedded within emCORE itself that shouldn't have any issue with USB. |
| 03:22:20 | [Saint] | So, it is still possible to use the device, albeit a little incomvenient. |
| 03:22:41 | [Saint] | But, lets not worry about this until the install is finished and we know if you have troubles or not. :) |
| 03:23:00 | wowaname | ya |
| 03:23:12 | wowaname | i'm just reading through before i do anything |
| 03:23:31 | [Saint] | Just make sure to avoid USB3 ports. For <some_unknown_reason> this seems to trigger a whole bunch of problems. |
| 03:24:07 | wowaname | even though i do have linux and C: mounts automatically... |
| 03:24:17 | wowaname | lol usb3.0 |
| 03:24:29 | wowaname | this laptop's a bit old for even having any of those ports |
| 03:25:42 | TheSeven | wowaname: itunes can recover >99% of the possible screwed up states by itself, so going back is usually easy |
| 03:25:49 | wowaname | k |
| 03:26:06 | wowaname | itunes IS a screwed up state imo |
| 03:26:06 | wowaname | but if i have to i will install it |
| 03:26:21 | TheSeven | yes, but it indeed turns out to be good at fixing up borked ipods, but only nano3g and classic upward |
| 03:26:26 | wowaname | ya |
| 03:26:43 | [Saint] | The only other thing I can think of to mention is that (because of the port's current classification as "unusable"), there is no manual available for the device, but you can substitute the iPod Video manual: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html |
| 03:26:50 | TheSeven | you can also recover things without itunes if you want to deal with some command line tools |
| 03:26:58 | TheSeven | we can fully replicate what itunes does during recovery |
| 03:27:02 | wowaname | ok |
| 03:27:13 | wowaname | TheSeven» that's great |
| 03:27:14 | [Saint] | The only things I can think of that do not apply are: dual-boot, USB HID, FM, and recording. |
| 03:27:37 | TheSeven | and in fact all unrecoverable issues that I've seen so far on classics, both at users and developers, were one of two things: old hard drives failing or water damage |
| 03:27:44 | wowaname | dualbooting on an iPod... i know it has a use but it's kinda funny |
| 03:28:18 | [Saint] | Its useful for devices that only offer iPod connectivity. |
| 03:28:30 | wowaname | o yeah |
| 03:28:33 | wowaname | docks? |
| 03:28:38 | [Saint] | car head units, some stereos, docks, etc. |
| 03:29:05 | [Saint] | Oh, also, themes: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipodvideo |
| 03:29:18 | [Saint] | (Classic has the same physical dimensions as the iPod Video) |
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| 03:30:00 | wowaname | oh my god that is great, custom tag display |
| 03:30:22 | wowaname | i was pretty sure it would have it |
| 03:30:40 | [Saint] | fully customizable skin engine FTW. :) |
| 03:30:46 | wowaname | :3 |
| 03:31:21 | wowaname | are themes native or is it a scripting language |
| 03:31:42 | [Saint] | Its a unique language. |
| 03:31:51 | wowaname | compiled, i assume |
| 03:31:59 | [Saint] | No, no, plain text. |
| 03:32:02 | wowaname | oh |
| 03:32:04 | wowaname | oh awesome |
| 03:32:20 | [Saint] | The manual I linked above descibes the skin engine. |
| 03:32:20 | amayer | wowaname: download a theme and unzip it |
| 03:32:23 | wowaname | k |
| 03:32:42 | wowaname | configuration files |
| 03:32:55 | wowaname | bitmaps |
| 03:32:55 | wowaname | fun |
| 03:33:02 | * | [Saint] is "some form of Rockbox skin "expert"" ;) |
| 03:33:19 | wowaname | s/skin // |
| 03:34:14 | [Saint] | Oh, no, no way - there are many facets of the core that may as well be magic as far as I'm concerned. :) |
| 03:34:24 | wowaname | lol but you are helpful |
| 03:35:26 | wowaname | bitmap fonts? |
| 03:35:57 | wowaname | i was just asking for clarification; i actually prefer bitmap fonts |
| 03:37:17 | [Saint] | There's actually support for anti-aliased fonts now too, has been for some time, but I'm not sure the manual mentions this. |
| 03:37:51 | wowaname | but the fonts are in the theme archives? |
| 03:37:52 | [Saint] | However, you can't just drop in any old .ttf, fonts need to be converted to our .fnt format. |
| 03:37:55 | wowaname | ya |
| 03:38:59 | [Saint] | Some themes include their own fonts, if said fonts are not contained within our font pack. |
| 03:39:07 | wowaname | k |
| 03:39:13 | [Saint] | Otherwise, the shipped binaries would be *massive*. |
| 03:39:18 | wowaname | the Windows FNT or a custom format |
| 03:40:39 | [Saint] | Hmmmm. I'm not sure about that, to be honest. My guess would be that it just so happens to share the extension. |
| 03:40:54 | wowaname | i'll look at the wiki for that |
| 03:42:09 | [Saint] | you'd need to compile convbdf from our sources to convert your own fonts from a bdf file. |
| 03:42:28 | [Saint] | Or, convttf to convert your own antialiased fonts from a ttf file. |
| 03:43:14 | [Saint] | I made an antialiased font pack a while ago, linked here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxExtras |
| 03:43:20 | wowaname | if anything i'd use this font: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proggy_programming_fonts |
| 03:43:38 | wowaname | proggyfonts.com |
| 03:43:55 | wowaname | one of my favourite fonts |
| 03:44:59 | [Saint] | that domain is useless. |
| 03:45:08 | [Saint] | otherwise I'd whip up a font for you right now. |
| 03:45:15 | wowaname | holy shit |
| 03:45:16 | wowaname | it is |
| 03:45:24 | wowaname | curse you google |
| 03:45:41 | wowaname | where the hell was it |
| 03:45:57 | wowaname | hmm the site must have went down |
| 03:46:26 | wowaname | http://web.archive.org/web/20130623064834/http://proggyfonts.com/ |
| 03:46:27 | wowaname | yep |
| 03:49:08 | wowaname | wait would a reflash wipe all data off the iPod |
| 03:49:16 | [Saint] | It looks quite similar to GNU Unifont, which I have an antialiased version thereof in my font pack in various sizes. |
| 03:49:36 | [Saint] | Yes. Installing Rockbox on the Classic will wipe all user data. |
| 03:49:50 | wowaname | i also love Fixedsys Excelsior |
| 03:50:03 | [Saint] | Backup any files you need to before installation. |
| 03:50:21 | wowaname | i dont need to back anything up, just take the time to resync everything |
| 03:50:33 | wowaname | i'll mess with it tomorrow |
| 03:50:33 | [Saint] | Ah. |
| 03:51:39 | wowaname | if i were to use EmCORE for Win7, would there be stability issues, or just other crap to deal with |
| 03:52:00 | TheSeven | it's somewhat likely that you might have trouble transferring files on windows |
| 03:52:17 | TheSeven | but if that happens, you should be able to reboot the ipod into the fallback rockbox version, which should work fine |
| 03:52:21 | wowaname | permanently or just hit and miss |
| 03:52:24 | wowaname | oh ok |
| 03:52:57 | [Saint] | The installation is the primary source of fuckaroundery. |
| 03:53:36 | [Saint] | The install on *nix is so smooth its not even funny when compared to the Windows iTunes/non-iTunes installation. |
| 03:54:20 | * | TheSeven blames that on microsoft not having any sane userspace USB access interface |
| 03:54:25 | wowaname | yeah windows isnt good with developer shit |
| 03:54:40 | TheSeven | everything needs a kernel driver on windows, and those drivers need to be signed by microsoft |
| 03:54:56 | wowaname | windows' mounting system fails. drive letters. seriously |
| 03:55:11 | wowaname | ugh |
| 03:55:22 | wowaname | ok i'll use linux for it lol |
| 03:55:47 | TheSeven | if you're on 64bit windows and need to run a custom kernel mode driver, you have to apply a bootloader hack :) |
| 03:55:58 | wowaname | oh wow |
| 03:56:37 | TheSeven | microsoft tried to solve part of the mess by providing their own userspace USB api driver, but that still needs to be installed for a particular device, competing with itunes' driver, which is just a huge mess |
| 03:56:50 | [Saint] | TheSeven is the evil genius that made all this possible. |
| 03:56:53 | wowaname | ew |
| 03:56:58 | [Saint] | The Classic port is his baby. |
| 03:56:58 | wowaname | ha |
| 03:57:03 | wowaname | ty TheSeven |
| 03:57:31 | TheSeven | the classic port was mostly trivial after figuring out the nano2g one :) |
| 03:58:12 | TheSeven | how long did it take us? 2 weeks after I received the donated classic until we had music playback, or something like that? |
| 03:58:18 | TheSeven | and slightly longer on ce-ata devices of course... |
| 03:58:41 | TheSeven | the nano was more like half a year :) |
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| 04:00:38 | [Saint] | Longer, iirc. |
| 04:02:45 | TheSeven | I'm only counting it from when we had code execution on the device |
| 04:03:02 | TheSeven | if you include the battle against apple's code signing it was ~3 years IIRC |
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| 04:21:44 | [Saint] | Aha. Right. |
| 04:25:17 | wowaname | [Saint]» Unifont's quite different from Proggy |
| 04:25:39 | [Saint] | Looks fairly similar to me. |
| 04:25:42 | * | [Saint] shrugs |
| 04:25:45 | wowaname | it's taller |
| 04:25:48 | wowaname | lol |
| 04:26:03 | wowaname | but it's unicode |
| 04:26:08 | wowaname | that is good |
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| 06:53:24 | [Saint] | I need to clean it up a bit though. |
| 06:53:36 | [Saint] | I don't imagine there is going to be a huge market for this. :) |
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| 09:51:54 | copper | is there a better way of offering the same theme in different colors, than to just submit each one as a separate and appropriately named theme? |
| 09:53:03 | copper | a meta-theme archive with 5 different colors would make a somewhat large zip |
| 09:53:26 | copper | also I assume that kind of practice is frowned upon |
| 09:54:01 | copper | each backdrop is 228 KiB |
| 09:56:42 | copper | ugh, well, they're ALWAYS 228 KiB, being uncompressed… |
| 09:58:08 | copper | the problem with distributing separate themes is that any time I update the theme, I'm gonna have to upload each one of them separately, and that would be a huge pain in the ass |
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| 11:31:53 | copper | er, the zip file is still very small |
| 11:31:58 | copper | bmp compresses well |
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| 12:33:36 | bertrik | still have to figure out the exact conditions under which it happens |
| 12:35:11 | wodz | bertrik: Are you able to reproduce 'cpu noise'? |
| 12:35:22 | bertrik | no |
| 12:36:02 | bertrik | there's a fix for it, but it introduces a bug (not waiting for card response) and I'd rather not "fix" before knowing the root cause |
| 12:36:13 | wodz | thats my point |
| 12:37:39 | bertrik | I don't really know what happens when you tell an sd card / sd card controller to use high-speed mode (50 MHz instead of 25 MHz) |
| 12:38:24 | bertrik | perhaps the sd card changes to a stronger drive strength, but I can't see how that reduces interference |
| 12:39:23 | bertrik | we're not actually changing the transfer speed on the clip+ |
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| 12:42:27 | copper | pamaury: btw, were you able to come up with anything to increase the speed of the sd card reader? |
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| 13:06:20 | copper | oh for fuck's sake |
| 13:06:59 | copper | the theme uploader refuses my archive because it contains several variants of the same theme |
| 13:08:55 | copper | come on, do I *really* have to upload 6 individual themes? ;-( |
| 13:21:01 | copper | grrrr |
| 13:23:24 | pamaury | wodz: pong |
| 13:23:27 | pamaury | copper: not yet |
| 13:25:04 | wodz | pamaury: Have you seen hwstub rk27xx port pastie? Beware this code does not work. |
| 13:25:21 | pamaury | yes, I haven't fixed/looked it yet |
| 13:29:46 | wodz | pamaury: according to my tests the driver doesn't see (mostly) SETUP packets. From time to time it gets SETUP packet but I can't spot any pattern why it is so. |
| 13:30:21 | pamaury | cpu too slow ? |
| 13:30:52 | wodz | dunno. It is running at 200MHz so it should be capable to at least record the event |
| 13:31:16 | bertrik | maybe you're not getting interrupts for EP0, or perhaps interrupts are getting cleared accidentally? |
| 13:31:26 | wodz | maybe usb core setup sequence is incorrect |
| 13:31:34 | wodz | bertrik: this code works in polled mode |
| 13:31:41 | wodz | with irqs turned off |
| 13:33:48 | pamaury | cache disabled |
| 13:34:21 | wodz | pamaury: is it a question or a statement |
| 13:34:29 | pamaury | question |
| 13:34:33 | wodz | disabled |
| 13:37:59 | copper | phew |
| 13:38:06 | copper | all 6 themes uploaded, separately |
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| 14:08:02 | copper | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?searchtheme&searchword=Googley-Classic&searchtype=name |
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| 14:13:29 | speckmade | Can somebody help me to blindly enable voiced menus on my sansa clip? |
| 14:13:37 | speckmade | I smashed my display |
| 14:14:00 | speckmade | apart from that my device works just fine... |
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| 14:15:00 | speckmade | how can I configure voiced menus by editing the config file? |
| 14:15:09 | copper | meh, buy a new one |
| 14:15:30 | speckmade | yeah - I may do that eventually... :-/ |
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| 14:29:47 | bertrik | oh, I thought that voice menu would be enabled automatically, if the voiced strings are present on the device |
| 14:35:26 | speckmade | I downgraded to 3.13 stable in order to be able to install voice files via Rockbox installer |
| 14:36:48 | speckmade | then I installed the voice file |
| 14:37:20 | speckmade | now there's the file "english.voice" under /.rockbox/langs |
| 14:37:39 | speckmade | now it doesn't yet seem to speak to me |
| 14:38:22 | speckmade | then I also tried changing the menu language back to english |
| 14:38:32 | speckmade | via config file |
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| 15:05:50 | pixelma | speckmade: should be possible by editing config.cfg in .rockbox. The line should read "lang: /.rockbox/langs/english.lng" or possibly "lang: -" |
| 15:10:54 | pixelma | or it could just be deleted, maybe as well as any line that lists a setting with "talk" in case you disabled something there. They will only be present in config.cfg if the setting differs from the default (which is "on" for anything talk related) |
| 15:28:41 | pamaury | copper: I know why the sd read/write speed is capped |
| 15:30:08 | copper | why? |
| 15:30:12 | pamaury | with the current clock rate, there is no way you can transfer at more than ~6MB/s |
| 15:30:48 | pamaury | I'll see what is needed to clock higher |
| 15:31:06 | pamaury | note that it doesn't apply to the internal storage |
| 15:31:28 | amayer | pamaury: will something like this limit usb speeds too? |
| 15:32:07 | pamaury | no |
| 15:32:21 | amayer | ok :) |
| 15:32:23 | pamaury | I mean you cannot transfer through usb than 6MB/s obviously |
| 15:32:43 | pamaury | but usb itself has no such limit |
| 15:33:05 | amayer | oh ok |
| 15:33:39 | pamaury | I have a card which does 14MB on my computer and 7MB/s on rockbox so we have room for improvement ^^ |
| 15:36:26 | pamaury | copper: have you tried in OF ? |
| 15:36:53 | copper | no |
| 15:36:57 | copper | uh |
| 15:37:01 | copper | I don't remember actually |
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| 15:38:54 | copper | checking the logs, looks like I didn't |
| 15:39:00 | pamaury | the thing is that as far as I know, the imx233 cannot change the pin voltage of the sd card data lines and you cannot go higher than 25MHz with 3.3V signalling |
| 15:39:25 | pamaury | so maybe we are actually limited to 6MB/s because of this but it's worth checking if the OF is limited too |
| 15:39:57 | pamaury | Maybe someone who knows SD can confirm, gevaerts: who knows this ? |
| 15:40:23 | bertrik | I think you can still go high-speed, if the card supports it, at 3.3V |
| 15:40:34 | bertrik | 50 MHz instead of 25 MHz |
| 15:41:23 | pamaury | the spec says no and I've tried: switched to HS and 48MHz clock: doesn't work |
| 15:41:35 | pamaury | maybe something else is wrong though |
| 15:41:56 | pamaury | oh no, you're right |
| 15:42:07 | pamaury | HS is 50MHz, so it should work :-/ |
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| 16:53:56 | pamaury | damn, CSD indicates high speed but setting clock to 50MHz plain doesn't work |
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| 17:02:20 | pamaury | ah that's interesting, clocking at 40MHz works and gives ~10MB/s now |
| 17:04:29 | pamaury | but it's unsable |
| 17:04:35 | pamaury | *unstable :-/ |
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| 17:06:48 | pamaury | ah increasing drive strength helps |
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| 17:09:38 | pamaury | nice I can now reach 15MB/s internal, it's still only 11MB/s on usb |
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| 17:12:12 | copper | http://outpost.fr/stuff/Googley-FuzePlus.png |
| 17:14:11 | [Saint] | pacman -Syu sudo lxde upower gamin polkit-gnome gvfs |
| 17:14:17 | [Saint] | errrrr, fuck. |
| 17:17:24 | [Saint] | pacman -Syu sudo lxde upower gamin polkit-gnome gvfs gvfs-smb gvfs-afb |
| 17:17:36 | [Saint] | grrrrrrr. |
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| 17:21:01 | bertrik | pamaury: increase drive strength on the host side, I suppose? |
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| 17:27:06 | pamaury | yes |
| 17:27:27 | pamaury | I think I need to use CMD23 to have optimum performance but it's optional on sd, so more code to handle both |
| 17:27:37 | pamaury | we need a generic SD/MMC driver !!! |
| 17:30:07 | bertrik | we could start with at least using the same function names in the various sd drivers for send_cmd etc. |
| 17:31:31 | bertrik | I'm not completely sure if I understand the history of some of the usb drivers, but IIRC trying to unify broke something that is currently still broken |
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| 17:33:28 | copper | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?searchtheme&searchword=Googley-FuzePlus&searchtype=name |
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| 17:35:50 | copper | hopefully everyone will find a color that they like |
| 17:36:51 | pamaury | bertrik: not really, we tried to unify to one broken driver with an unstable one and this resulted in a brokunstable one |
| 17:37:12 | pamaury | *-to, actually I wasn't the one to do it |
| 17:37:37 | pamaury | it's not the same though: our sd driver really have a lot of duplicate, potentially buggy code |
| 17:39:47 | bertrik | pamaury: something like an generic upper level, which does init/read/write, and a lower device-specific which implements init/send_cmd/transfer_block ? |
| 17:41:49 | pamaury | yes exactky |
| 17:42:01 | pamaury | we want to factor the read/write/init card |
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| 17:42:16 | pamaury | and provide hook for platform specific things like bank switching, of course |
| 17:43:50 | wodz | I should publish my draft probably. |
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| 17:47:01 | bertrik | I would very much like to improve the individual drivers first, not waiting for the "ultimate generic solution" |
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| 17:47:34 | pamaury | as you wish, but I think it's better to have a generic driver and slowly move the drivers to it, ie it would be optional |
| 17:48:00 | pamaury | it would implement all the sd_* part and rely on some sd_drv_* functions, this way you are not obliged to use it |
| 17:48:07 | wodz | bertrik: but you know some problems are in common code like the last bug in imx sd driver |
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| 17:49:09 | pamaury | and I would like to merge sd and mmc too |
| 17:49:31 | pamaury | it shouldn't be too hard since mmc is hardly used: on imx233 it's like sd and there the ondio I think |
| 17:50:15 | wodz | maybe cowon d2 - it has full size sd/mmc slot |
| 17:50:29 | bertrik | pamaury: that way of slowly integrating more drivers into the generic one, sound like a good idea |
| 17:50:37 | pamaury | I doubt the current driver support mmc though |
| 17:50:46 | pamaury | bertrik: yes, otherwise we will break everything at once :) |
| 17:50:57 | bertrik | but I mean that it shouldn't stop us from fixing bugs in the current sd drivers |
| 17:51:10 | bertrik | wodz: what was the last bug in the imx sd driver? |
| 17:51:54 | pamaury | the sd switch function which didn't read the 64 bytes |
| 17:52:09 | wodz | http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=20ee453edce207a4285638f0399926b0b9f506df |
| 17:53:26 | bertrik | ah, yes, this bug is also in the AMSv1 driver (not in AMSv2 though) |
| 17:56:23 | bertrik | IIRC, on AMSv1, we are being silly by doing all SD transfers in 1-bit SD mode. Switching to 4-bit mode would give a 4x speedup, now we try to improve performance by going high-speed which gives only 2x speedup and only for cards that support it |
| 17:57:07 | bertrik | the code has a comment around and #if 0'ed part of the code that switches to 4-bit mode /* FIXME : it seems that reading fails on some models */ |
| 17:58:14 | bertrik | I'd like to enable the 4-bit mode again. I think the failing reads occurred before another cleanup I did 2 years ago. |
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| 17:59:11 | bertrik | In several places, the sd driver code did not wait for the response, but just did a delay. I think the problems that this caused were incorrectly blamed on the 4-bit mode. The 4-bit mode probably changed the timing. |
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| 18:03:25 | bertrik | are we releasing in september? |
| 18:03:37 | wodz | bertrik: enable 4-bit and wait for complaints :-) |
| 18:04:13 | bertrik | wodz: yeah, that was roughly my plan :) unless we're close to release |
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| 19:14:15 | wodz | pamaury, bertrik: http://pastebin.com/ZmZPFHqH <- this is very preliminary draft of sd refactoring. function names are adhoc but general idea can be seen. |
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