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| 00:00:53 | pamaury | TheSeven: no, it's implemented this way: present a mass storage interface, monitor the first bulk transfer. If it's obviously a mtp command, switch to mtp mode *without* reenumerating |
| 00:02:37 | pamaury | why do some people think we support Creative ZEN X-Fi ? The wiki doesn't show any progress, the forum thread doesn't say it's working and it's not in the supported list ! |
| 00:04:50 | lebellium | everyone is on the IRC :D |
| 00:05:00 | lebellium | should I buy a second handed Zen X-Fi ? :D |
| 00:05:24 | pamaury | there is a port *in progress* and go hell figure out what it means ;) |
| 00:08:06 | pamaury | actually it's probably a good time to buy, there are many cheap out there |
| 00:10:29 | lebellium | if I find one around €20 on leboncoin or ebay why not. But I won't spend much for that sh**** player ;) |
| 00:11:35 | pamaury | I think you can find one for 20€ on leboncoin, just need to check regularly |
| 00:12:44 | lebellium | yep |
| 00:13:07 | lebellium | you expect bluetooth to be supported on X-Fi 3 with RB? |
| 00:14:05 | pamaury | that might take some time but yes eventually |
| 00:14:12 | pamaury | on the X-Fi3 it's quite easy |
| 00:15:56 | pamaury | *seems |
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| 02:37:30 | [Saint] | [01:58:53] <Zagor> in my day we had an option to enable numeric volume indicator. −−-we still do! :) |
| 02:37:49 | wowaname | hi |
| 02:38:15 | [Saint] | Torne: I would argu that indicating line level is also useful...but, meh. |
| 02:38:26 | wowaname | No module named usb.core... |
| 02:38:28 | wowaname | brb google |
| 02:44:24 | wowaname | hahah maybe python-usb |
| 02:44:33 | wowaname | the fuck |
| 02:44:45 | wowaname | well the error changed from usb.core to core |
| 02:44:49 | wowaname | progress at least |
| 02:45:47 | [Saint] | copper: please try avoiding telling people that weird hacks are "normal", ok? |
| 02:45:58 | [Saint] | re: [06:51:12] <SovonHalder> so, is this the normal iPod/rockbox maintainance rule/method here to connect after turning on ? |
| 02:46:03 | [Saint] | ...that's clearly a bug. |
| 02:46:40 | wowaname | who me? or sovon |
| 02:48:44 | [Saint] | I was addressing copper, I have no idea what you're up to. You're being amazingly vague. |
| 02:49:27 | wowaname | oh sorry |
| 02:49:50 | [Saint] | If you'd like to be more specific, I'm sure someone could help you. |
| 02:49:55 | wowaname | i was trying to run the ipoddfu.py script and it came up it could not load module core |
| 02:50:14 | wowaname | i'm sorry, i tend to speak my mind in irc in fragmented thoughts and i shouldnt even do that |
| 02:50:36 | wowaname | between searching online and creating a message |
| 02:50:58 | TheSeven | sounds like you're using python-usb 0.4.2, not 1.0.x |
| 02:51:42 | TheSeven | I guess you're using debian or ubuntu, which don't have the newer one in their repositories yet |
| 02:52:09 | wowaname | ok i'll compile from source |
| 02:52:13 | TheSeven | so just download pyusb at sourceforge, grab the "usb" folder from that archive, and put it where ipoddfu.py is |
| 02:52:14 | wowaname | assuming it will work |
| 02:52:29 | TheSeven | no need to permanently install it |
| 02:52:33 | wowaname | ok thanks |
| 02:53:00 | TheSeven | python will automatically look for it in the current directory |
| 02:53:15 | TheSeven | or rather in the directory where the script is |
| 02:53:21 | wowaname | lolya |
| 02:53:57 | [Saint] | Do you have the installation instruction in front of you? |
| 02:54:02 | wowaname | yes |
| 02:54:10 | wowaname | not per se but it is up in a tab |
| 02:54:40 | [Saint] | Is there a way it could be improved upon? |
| 02:54:53 | [Saint] | The very first line on the linux install page should avoid this happening. |
| 02:54:55 | * | wowaname reads |
| 02:55:04 | TheSeven | we could probably offer a pre-packaged version of all those scripts and pyusb |
| 02:55:07 | wowaname | oh i see it |
| 02:55:13 | wowaname | pyusb >=1.0.0a0 installed |
| 02:55:17 | [Saint] | first instruction: "Make sure that you have python 2.6 or newer, libusb and pyusb >=1.0.0a0 installed" |
| 02:55:38 | TheSeven | it might be worth mentioning more clearly that some popular distros do *not* have the right versions of things |
| 02:55:53 | [Saint] | it does specifically state to check...so. |
| 02:55:54 | wowaname | it was my fault i didnt read |
| 02:55:56 | * | [Saint] shrugs |
| 02:56:10 | TheSeven | if people don't read we need to highlight things better |
| 02:56:26 | TheSeven | a little FAQ section with common problems might help as well |
| 02:56:38 | wowaname | add a ''' ''' around it :p |
| 02:56:44 | TheSeven | don't worry, you aren't alone. you're at least the 20th user that I explain this to :) |
| 02:57:04 | wowaname | lol sorry |
| 02:57:09 | [Saint] | and about the same number I have asked how this could be avoided. :) |
| 02:57:10 | TheSeven | so yeah, that might warrant introducing a FAQ |
| 02:58:54 | TheSeven | someone could also rewrite those python scripts to work with all combinations of python and pyusb versions |
| 02:59:06 | wowaname | ha it works |
| 02:59:08 | TheSeven | it might be a bit tricky because of some odd bugs, but it's certainly doable |
| 02:59:09 | wowaname | thanks guise |
| 02:59:11 | wowaname | now next step |
| 02:59:51 | TheSeven | you should see a UMSboot drive in your file manager now |
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| 03:00:01 | wowaname | in /media? |
| 03:00:10 | wowaname | there it is |
| 03:00:11 | wowaname | slow |
| 03:00:25 | TheSeven | slow, but accessible? |
| 03:00:28 | wowaname | yes |
| 03:00:32 | TheSeven | interesting |
| 03:00:56 | TheSeven | we have a new beta version of the DFU file that is supposed to make it both faster and more reliable |
| 03:01:02 | wowaname | it's an empty dir if that's what you mean by accessible |
| 03:01:33 | TheSeven | the new one is in here, if you want to try if it works better/faster: https://mega.co.nz/#!NAoChaZA!LvrFIyi-cyTiP40U6Du7ITJpvUEITxhH5VCO2sIyKn4 |
| 03:02:16 | wowaname | sexy cloud |
| 03:02:31 | wowaname | i *wonder* what that implies |
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| 03:04:19 | wowaname | eh i'll stick with 0.1 |
| 03:05:29 | TheSeven | it's a beta version that hasn't been officially published yet because it's awaiting feedback from testers |
| 03:05:53 | TheSeven | once I've received sufficient positive feedback about it behaving better than the old one, I'll replace the one linked from the wiki |
| 03:05:56 | wowaname | ya |
| 03:06:17 | wowaname | i'm sticking with stabler |
| 03:06:20 | wowaname | more stable* |
| 03:06:45 | [Saint] | You have no idea of what "more stable" is, at this point. |
| 03:07:24 | wowaname | i'm going solely off version numbers |
| 03:07:33 | TheSeven | in fact that new version was written because the old one was acting up rather often :) |
| 03:07:40 | [Saint] | Indeed. |
| 03:07:40 | TheSeven | so far we've had less problems with the new one |
| 03:07:50 | wowaname | well damn |
| 03:08:07 | TheSeven | but yeah, as long as it works, you can use whichever version you want |
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| 03:08:34 | TheSeven | it's just a tool that's used to run the installer anyway. once you've installed emCORE it won't make a difference which one you've used |
| 03:08:47 | wowaname | ya |
| 03:08:54 | wowaname | that's why i'm sticking with what i have lol |
| 03:10:44 | wowaname | is it odd that the umsboot partition would be 67 instead of 64mb |
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| 03:12:01 | wowaname | nice installer to whoever made it |
| 03:15:41 | TheSeven | 67MB == 64MiB |
| 03:15:48 | wowaname | ooh |
| 03:15:55 | [Saint] | 67MB == ~64MiB |
| 03:15:57 | [Saint] | awww |
| 03:16:07 | wowaname | i always forget the MiB |
| 03:16:09 | TheSeven | it's exactly the iPod's RAM size |
| 03:16:44 | TheSeven | wowaname: I'm curious what's nicer in your opinion: the installer or the boot menu :) |
| 03:16:55 | * | [Saint] assumes the latter |
| 03:17:34 | wowaname | boot menu honestly... except the scrolling could be a bit less fluent so you are more aware of what you have selected |
| 03:17:52 | TheSeven | wowaname: you can also just press the left and right buttons on the wheel |
| 03:17:59 | wowaname | true |
| 03:17:59 | [Saint] | there's a *very* slight "snap to" |
| 03:18:08 | [Saint] | when scrolling. |
| 03:18:13 | wowaname | the selected is opaque |
| 03:18:15 | [Saint] | maybe it could be more agressive. |
| 03:18:17 | wowaname | so it is noticable |
| 03:18:35 | wowaname | like the iPod's shuffle selector |
| 03:18:37 | TheSeven | the selected one is also in the foreground, overlapping the other icons |
| 03:18:50 | wowaname | you can either scroll and it will lock to one or hit prev/next |
| 03:18:52 | TheSeven | and there's some small text at the bottom ;) |
| 03:19:20 | * | [Saint] is an old man and absolutely cannot read that text. |
| 03:19:30 | wowaname | lol |
| 03:19:32 | [Saint] | ...'git off ma lawn! etc. |
| 03:20:30 | [Saint] | Its technically themeable, ...but, its rather nightmarish. |
| 03:20:45 | [Saint] | The iLoader syntax was a lot easier to grasp. |
| 03:20:49 | TheSeven | the text isn't themable beyond its color |
| 03:20:57 | [Saint] | I meant, the entire thing. |
| 03:20:58 | TheSeven | it uses emcore's system font |
| 03:21:22 | TheSeven | [Saint]: well, this one is much easier to grasp for programmers :) |
| 03:21:37 | TheSeven | or at least for programmers who have some experience with C |
| 03:21:38 | [Saint] | s/programmers/you/ :P |
| 03:21:39 | wowaname | ok it should be installed |
| 03:21:47 | wowaname | ty [Saint] TheSeven <3 |
| 03:22:03 | TheSeven | iloader was a LOT less flexible :) |
| 03:23:10 | [Saint] | As soon as I figured out the themeing in there, you went and changed it on me! :P |
| 03:23:37 | TheSeven | look at http://websvn.freemyipod.org/listing.php?repname=freemyipod&path=%2Fapps%2Fbootmenu-ipodclassic%2F&#a42e57ac6d29ae41e6c8cdd2c67054be5 |
| 03:23:56 | TheSeven | I'm not sure if you are mixing it up with the old all-in-one-file mess |
| 03:24:12 | [Saint] | ...does it still ship with the Winter theme as default? |
| 03:24:25 | wowaname | brb my flashdrive isnt ejecting and i have to remount it |
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| 03:28:37 | [Saint] | wowaname: remember to check out the Tools menu in emCORE. |
| 03:28:42 | [Saint] | Specifically Fastboot. |
| 03:28:48 | wowaname | i am on it now lol |
| 03:28:54 | [Saint] | Most people aren't going to want to boot directly into emCORE> |
| 03:28:56 | TheSeven | you mean tools=>settings :) |
| 03:29:00 | [Saint] | aha. Awesome. |
| 03:29:08 | wowaname | question: does VBox detect it as an unknown devicde |
| 03:29:14 | [Saint] | Sorry, yes. |
| 03:29:18 | wowaname | TheSeven» that's where i am :3 |
| 03:30:21 | [Saint] | From now on, the iPod should be detected as plain old removable storage with the volume label iPodClassic |
| 03:30:44 | [Saint] | the fact that it is an ipod should be invisible to most sane things. |
| 03:31:09 | wowaname | ok |
| 03:31:30 | [Saint] | ...except Macs, crappy car stereos, iPod Docks, and maybe a few other cases I haven't seen. |
| 03:31:40 | wowaname | lol |
| 03:31:56 | [Saint] | they look at the ID, see its an iPod, try "talking iPod" to it, and fall over. |
| 03:32:11 | wowaname | wow |
| 03:32:19 | wowaname | lelelelelelelemacjustworkstmtmtmtm |
| 03:32:36 | [Saint] | well, its a safe assumption for them to make. |
| 03:32:43 | wowaname | ya |
| 03:32:49 | TheSeven | [Saint]: ...and iTunes, lsusb, some linux media player software, ... |
| 03:32:50 | [Saint] | It just makes things interesting for Rockbox'ed iPods. |
| 03:32:50 | wowaname | still |
| 03:32:54 | wowaname | macjustworkstmtmtmt |
| 03:33:09 | TheSeven | or, in summary: everything that relies on the USB ID to determine what it is will still see it as an iPod |
| 03:33:22 | wowaname | ya |
| 03:33:32 | wowaname | probably is more practical |
| 03:34:40 | wowaname | trying to figure difference between initial and idle timeouts |
| 03:34:59 | TheSeven | initial = after powering it on |
| 03:35:03 | wowaname | oh |
| 03:35:07 | TheSeven | idle = after not doing anything for a while |
| 03:35:16 | wowaname | makes perfect sense |
| 03:35:26 | wowaname | i like the system font |
| 03:35:34 | [Saint] | the initial timeout is essentially a safegaurd for accidental power on. |
| 03:35:42 | TheSeven | so you can say "go back to sleep after 30 seconds, but wait 5 minutes instead if I have actually done something since I powered it on" |
| 03:36:36 | [Saint] | I just don't bother, since there's very little reason to ever be in the emCORE menu for most users. |
| 03:36:42 | [Saint] | fastboot FTW. |
| 03:37:06 | [Saint] | That's one of my happiest "bitched until it happened" features. :) |
| 03:37:32 | TheSeven | that might need an explanation as well: fastboot means "boot straight into XY unless you keep pressing a button after powerup" |
| 03:37:34 | wowaname | curiosity kills the cat: how do i escape from terminal |
| 03:37:48 | TheSeven | wowaname: by completely rebooting it using menu+select |
| 03:37:51 | wowaname | o |
| 03:37:59 | TheSeven | or by telling it to do something via USB using emcore.py :) |
| 03:39:43 | wowaname | dammit windows decided to drivers |
| 03:40:01 | wowaname | well maybe that will be helpful |
| 03:40:05 | wowaname | oh good |
| 03:40:47 | [Saint] | I suspected it would be the case, but with a slight modification the Classic pretty much never boosts the CPU. |
| 03:40:58 | [Saint] | Similar to the Fuze+ |
| 03:41:12 | [Saint] | Its more than capable of handling mostly everything on the lowest clock. |
| 03:41:14 | TheSeven | [Saint]: last time I tried that the UI was ultra-sluggish when unboosted |
| 03:41:22 | [Saint] | Its fine for me. |
| 03:42:09 | wowaname | time to make a shitty batch script :D |
| 03:42:20 | wowaname | AND change the mount letter |
| 03:42:23 | [Saint] | I can't perceive a difference between the UI boosted/unboosted. |
| 03:42:44 | wowaname | can i safely rename from iPodClassic |
| 03:42:49 | [Saint] | The UI is sluggish immediately after boot, though. |
| 03:42:49 | TheSeven | wowaname: yes |
| 03:42:56 | TheSeven | hm, are you sure that it's actually unboosted? |
| 03:43:00 | [Saint] | Yep. |
| 03:43:06 | wowaname | k |
| 03:43:19 | TheSeven | interesting... so something must have changed, either in the UI code or the LCD driver |
| 03:44:47 | TheSeven | what's the unboosted frequency? |
| 03:44:51 | TheSeven | 48MHz? |
| 03:45:26 | [Saint] | 54 |
| 03:47:25 | [Saint] | I've only been testing flac_8 and mp3@320CBR, though. |
| 03:47:29 | [Saint] | Nothing exotic. |
| 03:49:20 | [Saint] | pacman -S sudo xorg xorg-xinit xorg-twm xterm lxde obconf upower gamin polkit-gnome gvfs gvfs-smb gvfs-afb alsa-utils alsa-firmware alsa-lib alsa-plugins xf86-video-fbdev bash-completion |
| 03:49:41 | [Saint] | fuuuuuuck! Seriously Hayden! Gah! |
| 03:50:12 | * | [Saint] repeats endlessly "IRC is not a shell" |
| 03:53:23 | * | TheSeven grumbles about some messy upstart scripts |
| 03:59:05 | wowaname | hey is it just me or does syncing actually work faster than copying over to another drive |
| 03:59:19 | wowaname | and i dont mean a few files |
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| 03:59:36 | wowaname | i have had to resync my library a few times |
| 03:59:47 | wowaname | it may just be me :p |
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| 04:00:39 | [Saint] | I don't mean to be an asshole, but, that makes no sense. |
| 04:00:56 | [Saint] | Syncing *is* "copying over to another drive". |
| 04:01:19 | wowaname | i am perfectly aware |
| 04:01:31 | [Saint] | You're just using a graphical utility of <program_you're_using> to save you dragging and dropping yourself. |
| 04:01:33 | wowaname | but some odd reason it seems like it copies over faster that way |
| 04:01:37 | [Saint] | One should be no faster than the other. |
| 04:01:46 | wowaname | >dragging and dropping |
| 04:02:04 | wowaname | i could have easily "copy %userprofile%\music\* i:\music\" |
| 04:02:16 | wowaname | i have a flat music directory |
| 04:02:40 | wowaname | may need to change that due to the filetree format in rockbox |
| 04:03:06 | [Saint] | Well, thankfully, Rockbox doesn't give a shit about where the files are located so long as they're not in /.rockbox (though, even that can be negated). |
| 04:03:09 | [Saint] | So, go nuts. |
| 04:03:11 | wowaname | ya |
| 04:03:25 | wowaname | that's really niced |
| 04:03:27 | wowaname | -d |
| 04:07:41 | [Saint] | If you really prefer file based navigation, then it might pay to use a sane system of placement. |
| 04:07:58 | [Saint] | But, if you're using the Database, and have sanely tagged files, ...it really doesn't matter. |
| 04:07:59 | wowaname | i prefer db |
| 04:08:01 | wowaname | ya |
| 04:08:57 | [Saint] | The Database is only as useful as the metadata is complete/accurate, though. |
| 04:09:14 | [Saint] | I suspect this is one of the reasons many users use the File Browser. |
| 04:10:05 | wowaname | i am very anal about tagging music |
| 04:10:15 | wowaname | hold on |
| 04:10:22 | [Saint] | The type that grabs several thousand individual, horribly tagged files from Limewire et al :) |
| 04:10:35 | wowaname | lele limewire |
| 04:10:45 | wowaname | i use downthemall and the index.of trick |
| 04:11:54 | wowaname | http://www.rockbox.org |
| 04:11:56 | wowaname | fuck |
| 04:12:00 | wowaname | ctrl+c |
| 04:12:03 | wowaname | http://i.imgur.com/2qjKv1C.png |
| 04:12:08 | wowaname | that's my layout |
| 04:12:27 | scorche | wowaname: please dont go into how to illegally acquire music files in here... |
| 04:12:42 | wowaname | i wasnt going in detail but ok |
| 04:13:10 | wowaname | the imgur link was for foobar |
| 04:17:59 | * | [Saint] isn't so sure that downthemall == illegal |
| 04:18:05 | [Saint] | It can, sure. |
| 04:18:12 | [Saint] | Is it a given? No. |
| 04:18:13 | wowaname | it isn't. it can be used to do illegal things |
| 04:18:17 | wowaname | same as bittorrent |
| 04:18:39 | wowaname | a few GNU/Linux distros are downloadable as a torrent |
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| 06:01:56 | [Saint] | Does anyone have an interesting idea, or, any type of idea at all, as to how a progress bar might be represented textually? |
| 06:03:35 | [Saint] | I was thinking something along the lines of "ten twenty thirty FORTY fifty ..." but it needs rather a lot of screen real estate. |
| 06:06:12 | [Saint] | Hmmmm...maybe "10 20 30 FORTY 50 60 ..." |
| 06:07:25 | [Saint] | Backstory: trying to build a minimal theme based solely around text and numerals. |
| 06:37:08 | JdGordon | |============= | is the usual way no? |
| 06:39:38 | [Saint] | Yeah, but I kinda wanted to go for as little non aAzZ0~9 chars as possible |
| 06:40:22 | [Saint] | The "Minimaltext" Adnroid widget is rather similar to the style I'm going for. |
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| 06:41:30 | [Saint] | Like "fourTHIRTYfive PM MayTWELVE2013" etc. |
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| 06:48:14 | JdGordon | that doesn't look reable at all |
| 06:48:33 | [Saint] | its the fonts that make it so. |
| 06:48:37 | [Saint] | it looks crap here. |
| 06:49:14 | [Saint] | if you look at the minimaltext widget screenshots, its rather easy to get a lot of info from it at a glance |
| 06:49:38 | maraz | [Saint]: "0%" ... "100%" |
| 06:50:35 | [Saint] | but what indicates the current percentile? |
| 06:50:43 | maraz | the number does? |
| 06:51:07 | [Saint] | Oh, so you mean "0% N% 100%"? |
| 06:51:11 | maraz | no |
| 06:51:34 | [Saint] | then I'm not sure I get it. |
| 06:52:10 | [Saint] | the current percentile is bolded, or colored? |
| 06:52:31 | maraz | you mean the *only* percentile |
| 06:52:31 | maraz | ;) |
| 06:53:20 | [Saint] | well, pardon me for misunderstanding, as this conversation is regarding a textual adaptation of a *bar* :) |
| 06:53:32 | maraz | indeed |
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| 06:53:58 | maraz | you did say you were going for a) minimality b) only text and numerals |
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| 06:54:21 | maraz | now, having unnecessary numbers on the screen emulating a GUI component is non-minimal, IMO |
| 06:54:21 | JdGordon | yeah, doing a text rep of a bar is a bit dumb :) |
| 06:54:53 | [Saint] | That's not the point! |
| 06:54:56 | [Saint] | It looks cool. :) |
| 06:56:00 | JdGordon | I disagree |
| 06:56:15 | JdGordon | why not use the song title? |
| 06:56:34 | JdGordon | "A " "A N " "A Ne " .... |
| 06:56:49 | JdGordon | not sure how to do that in a skin though |
| 06:56:55 | [Saint] | I'm not aware of any mechanism that would make that possible. |
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| 07:10:56 | dunpeal | Yo yo. I'd like to get a 64GB micro-SDXC card for my Sansa Clip+. Would it work with Rockbox? |
| 07:12:17 | [Saint] | If formatted as FAT32, yes. |
| 07:13:02 | dunpeal | [Saint]: Awesome. I have Clip+, Clip Zip, and an old Fuze. Would it work with them all under Rockbox? |
| 07:13:14 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 07:13:20 | dunpeal | Way cool, thanks. |
| 07:13:33 | dunpeal | BTW, they're on sale on Amazon right now for $42 each. |
| 07:13:47 | dunpeal | Class 10. |
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| 07:15:42 | [Saint] | I have several of the 64GB SanDisk Extreme UHS-I cards. |
| 07:16:15 | [Saint] | Not that Rockbox needs, or can use, the speed or additional features therein. |
| 07:16:16 | dunpeal | Yup, that very model: SanDisk Extreme 64 GB SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Flash Memory Card 45MB/s SDSDX-064G-X46 |
| 07:16:34 | [Saint] | But its nice to be able to dump files on it quickly from a readeer. |
| 07:16:45 | dunpeal | Yeah, that's the main advantage I figured. |
| 07:17:20 | [Saint] | realistically, for the requirements of the device itself for audio - even class 2 is excessive. |
| 07:17:43 | [Saint] | but for syncing, if you don't want to wait for a bajillion years, the faster the better. :) |
| 07:18:09 | dunpeal | What about listing the very large collections implied by this amount of space? |
| 07:18:26 | [Saint] | 'sfine. |
| 07:18:45 | dunpeal | [Saint]: what do you use for syncing, btw? I'm on Linux, do you just rsync? |
| 07:20:24 | [Saint] | yes. I have rather a lot of audio, so I have a script that trashes the contents of my music folder(s) on the device(s) and replaces it with as many full albums as possible, randomly chosen (well, kinda, there's a blacklist), from the network share. |
| 07:21:29 | dunpeal | haha, blacklist, don't you like Bieber |
| 07:21:36 | [Saint] | Building the Database on-device at the next boot can be a bit of a PITA sometimes, but its something you only need to do once. |
| 07:21:56 | dunpeal | right, that's actually another thing the reading speed would help |
| 07:22:06 | dunpeal | ...except I never use the database, just the file list |
| 07:22:25 | dunpeal | the file system should be enough of a cataloging system for everyone! |
| 07:22:26 | [Saint] | On my Classic, with ~158GB of mp3@320 CBR, building the database takes a 'lil while :) |
| 07:23:01 | [Saint] | I like the Database due to the advanced sorting options, as I have nicely tagged media files. :) |
| 07:23:18 | dunpeal | ah. My tagging generally sucks. |
| 07:23:30 | dunpeal | what kind of advanced sorting do you use? |
| 07:25:22 | [Saint] | primarily auto-sorting of podcasts. |
| 07:26:28 | dunpeal | I wrote my own tagging program that re-tags everything by alphabetical file order |
| 07:27:17 | [Saint] | I use picard. |
| 07:27:26 | [Saint] | best. tagger. ever. |
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| 08:54:30 | pixelma | [Saint]: Mr. Gordon's idea could possibly work with the help of a monospace font, conditional viewports (widths that fit x characters) and the %px tag with as many divisions as you can fit characters on the screen part you to use. The code would probably be quite complicated though |
| 08:55:04 | [Saint] | Ooooohhhh...nice. |
| 08:55:13 | [Saint] | That is rather creative. |
| 08:55:42 | pixelma | haven't tried though |
| 08:56:44 | [Saint] | its possible, but it would require a lot of viewports. |
| 08:57:00 | pixelma | that too |
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| 09:11:31 | copper | [Saint]: turning on the iPod, then connecting it to a USB port, is a "weird hack"? |
| 09:11:34 | copper | what? |
| 09:12:39 | copper | <[Saint]> ...that's clearly a bug. |
| 09:12:56 | copper | <SovonHalder> Copper: I know it's experience based. The more you use, the more you come to know about it. But is there any guide/tutorial/wiki/manual on such tiny but important & helpful facts on regulations of iPod on rockbox? |
| 09:13:01 | copper | <copper> not really, mostly because no-one's really identified what exactly causes such bugs |
| 09:13:06 | copper | <copper> so there is no definitive solution |
| 09:13:24 | copper | I think I was being pretty clear about the fact that that was a bug. |
| 09:15:01 | [Saint] | You told him it was "normal". It isn't. |
| 09:15:09 | copper | what, no |
| 09:15:21 | [Saint] | It absolutely should work from USB insertion at poweroff, and it not doing so is a bug. |
| 09:15:25 | copper | yes |
| 09:15:36 | copper | I didn't say otherwise, or at least I didn't mean to |
| 09:16:00 | copper | ^^ "what exactly causes such bugs" |
| 09:16:07 | copper | is that not clear |
| 09:16:27 | [Saint] | [06:51:12] <SovonHalder> so, is this the normal iPod/rockbox maintainance rule/method here to connect after turning on ? |
| 09:16:27 | [Saint] | [06:53:51] <copper> SovonHalder: yes |
| 09:16:32 | [Saint] | ...that's blatantly untrue. |
| 09:16:49 | copper | turning on and connecting is normal |
| 09:16:57 | copper | not the bug |
| 09:17:12 | [Saint] | WHat's normal is its supposed to fucking work. :) |
| 09:17:49 | copper | what I said isn't blatantly untrue |
| 09:18:04 | [Saint] | Telling people its normal to power on before inserting USB, and that its a "rockox rule/method" is quite far from the truth. |
| 09:18:38 | copper | the truth is that Rockbox + iPod Classic + USB = bugs |
| 09:18:58 | copper | so go ahead and blame me if you will, I don't care |
| 09:18:59 | [Saint] | Right. So say that. Don;t make broad, sweeping, largely untrue statements. |
| 09:19:10 | copper | you're overreaching |
| 09:19:33 | [Saint] | I am not. You're applying a workaround that you yourself do, to every Rockob target. |
| 09:19:41 | [Saint] | *box |
| 09:19:51 | copper | and you mean to give none, do you? |
| 09:19:59 | copper | sorry for trying to help |
| 09:20:07 | copper | I'm sorry that it WORKED for him, too |
| 09:20:10 | copper | SORRY |
| 09:20:18 | copper | … |
| 09:21:03 | [Saint] | The problem is that you stated that its "the normal method", and failed to mention that this was a target specific workwaround that only some people need to use - for an unsupported target no less. |
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| 09:21:56 | copper | yeah. I'm not gonna get mad about this. |
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| 09:22:12 | copper | So not worth it. |
| 09:22:19 | [Saint] | Saying "you can do this to make it work" is great. Saying that its the approved method for Rockbox is terribly misleading. |
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| 09:59:53 | copper | oh, great |
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| 10:00:02 | copper | different targets ship with different fonts |
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| 10:00:25 | copper | 15-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt for the iPod Classic, 12-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt for the Fuze+ |
| 10:01:16 | copper | hmmm, I guess that depends on the display |
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| 10:04:48 | copper | how does Rockbox determine what font to use, when the font that's specified in the theme isn't present? |
| 10:06:24 | copper | er, it seems to revert to some default font that isn't a font file |
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| 10:32:06 | copper | [Saint]: it seems like your Ubuntu font pack .zip file can't be extracted with regular "unzip" on Linux |
| 10:32:10 | copper | works with 7z |
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| 10:39:38 | copper | Also, is there a way to handle different font sizes in a theme? To make sure that text is correctly aligned with various font sizes. |
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| 12:38:47 | [Saint] | copper: yes, I really should replace it, 7zip likes to make broken archives. |
| 12:39:20 | [Saint] | and, possibly, but, it isn't pretty. |
| 12:40:06 | [Saint] | You could nest a bunch of really fucked up conditions to check for specific font names. |
| 12:40:14 | pamaury | gevaerts: have you ever tried to profile the whole usb stack + ums driver ? |
| 12:40:52 | pamaury | I just did a very simple test: add a ramdisk and limit its read speed, ie all reads are at exactly 15MB/s. Then expose it over usb and I get 10.1MB/s read speed |
| 12:41:33 | pamaury | if I do nothing (ie not even a memcpy), we top at 22MB/s which is not that bad but probably could do better |
| 12:43:07 | [Saint] | %?if(%St,=,/full/path/to/and/name/of/font.fnt)<do foo|%?if(%St,=,/full/path/to/and/name/of/font.fnt)<do bar|%?if(%St,=,/full/path/to/and/name/of/font.fnt)<do baz|else do whatever>>> |
| 12:43:13 | [Saint] | copper: ^ |
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| 12:43:53 | Insider | HI all |
| 12:44:50 | [Saint] | Hello, Insider - if you have a question, just ask it - plenty of people here. |
| 12:46:07 | Insider | I have purchased a Creative Zen X-Fi 3. I like it except for the volume level. Too low (expecially the European version and with latest firmware). I wish to understand (I'm a developer) if there's a way to modify the original firmware to remove the volume level limitation. |
| 12:46:32 | Insider | volume go from 0 to 31, maybe good if the volume can go up to (e.g.) 47 |
| 12:47:15 | [Saint] | European FW are required to have a volume cap, is flashing a non-European version an option? |
| 12:47:33 | [Saint] | (modifying the original firmware is kinda outside the scope of this channel) |
| 12:47:53 | [Saint] | However, I do believe there's a Rockbox port for this device underway. |
| 12:48:01 | [Saint] | pamaury: ^? |
| 12:48:01 | Insider | I really don't understand the reason of this limitation. Are European people more sensible to sound than other? |
| 12:48:09 | pamaury | Insider: I am working on the Zen X-Fi3. Modifying the firmware is really not an option, too much work |
| 12:48:25 | pamaury | However it is possible to flash a non-european firmware I think |
| 12:48:32 | Insider | pamury I think there's some test if (vol>31)vol = 31; somewhere |
| 12:48:40 | Insider | it's very hard to found it? |
| 12:48:59 | [Saint] | A Rockbox port *will* expose the full range of the target's volume...however, a stable port may be "some time away, to possibly never" |
| 12:49:23 | pamaury | Insider: the OF if a 30MB binary blob, so yes it's hard to find |
| 12:49:53 | Insider | the problem is that we cannot simulate the device on PC |
| 12:49:55 | [Saint] | (this is coming from a reverse engineering expert, btw) |
| 12:50:00 | Insider | that's running the firmware on an emulator |
| 12:50:10 | [Saint] | ...one that manages to baffle the other RE experts with his skill :) |
| 12:50:12 | pamaury | plus I don't see the point, obviously I want to support rockbox |
| 12:50:42 | Insider | I'm can detect such test, if I can run the firmware on my PC |
| 12:50:46 | Insider | there's no emulator? |
| 12:50:47 | pamaury | If I *really* wanted, with the upcoming tool we are writing we could *maybe* figure that out but I would advise you to use rockbox instead ;) |
| 12:50:52 | Insider | I* |
| 12:50:54 | [Saint] | Indeed. The firmware on those things is pretty crap. |
| 12:50:57 | pamaury | no there is none |
| 12:51:22 | Insider | I have some experience in develop emulators |
| 12:51:56 | Insider | the problem with rockbox is that actually doesn't implement all the original features. |
| 12:52:13 | [Saint] | To write a full emulator, you'd need to completely understand the hardware, and at that point, you could write your own firmware for it - defeating the purpose slightly. |
| 12:52:34 | pamaury | that's just too much work, this chip is too complicated, that would take ages to write a complete emulator |
| 12:52:51 | [Saint] | take ages, and not be terribly useful. |
| 12:53:22 | pamaury | The best option is really to flash a non-european version |
| 12:53:33 | [Saint] | And no, Rockbox won't implement the (mostly non-essential) Xfi sound enhancements. |
| 12:53:52 | [Saint] | However, Rockbox could almost certainly make up for this with its own extensive feature set. |
| 12:54:13 | Insider | no radio and no recording |
| 12:54:16 | Insider | actually |
| 12:54:27 | [Saint] | *yet* |
| 12:55:32 | pamaury | recording should work now, but radio we have an experimental driver, which works but no RDS and probably not sure high quality. Takes times |
| 12:55:52 | Insider | An idea could be make a comparison between european and non-european firmware |
| 12:56:00 | Insider | in order to check the difference |
| 12:56:29 | [Saint] | If you were willing to focus your efforts on the ridiculously daunting task of writing a full emulator, maybe your efforts may be better served by helping with the Rockbox port. |
| 12:56:40 | [Saint] | No one here has any interest in the original firmware. |
| 12:56:52 | Insider | no, no, I ask only if a such things already exists. |
| 12:57:02 | [Saint] | Ah. |
| 12:57:05 | Insider | I know that writing one is a very long task |
| 12:57:19 | Insider | I write a C64 Emulator in past, and I know how much time it require |
| 12:58:01 | Insider | Ok, there's some place when I can get old version of firmware? |
| 12:58:18 | pamaury | It is not that simple, a simple change here and then everything is different at the binary level. And you understand that we don't really want to support such firmware modification |
| 12:58:27 | pamaury | Insider: creative website |
| 12:58:33 | [Saint] | Creative, one assumes. |
| 12:58:39 | Insider | creative gives only the latest. |
| 12:58:48 | Insider | as far as I see. |
| 12:58:55 | pamaury | they keep all the one they publish usually |
| 12:59:57 | pamaury | oh they have a published a new one: 1.00.25e, need to add this one to our tools |
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| 13:00:28 | Insider | yes and looks like that from 1.00.22e they have introduced another volume limitation |
| 13:00:39 | Insider | (for european versions) |
| 13:00:45 | Insider | the volume is very low |
| 13:00:53 | pamaury | indeed I cannot access the older ones. I have the 1.00.22e and 1.00.15e on my computer |
| 13:01:10 | pamaury | haha ! |
| 13:01:20 | pamaury | go here: http://support.creative.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?catID=948&CatName=Entertainment+Devices+%2F+MP3+Players&prodID=20866&prodName=ZEN+X-Fi3 |
| 13:01:28 | pamaury | and in the search box, type 1.00.22e |
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| 13:04:05 | Insider | this redirect me to zen 300 1.00.22e firmware |
| 13:04:10 | Insider | not x-fi 3 |
| 13:04:30 | pamaury | ah right, hum, they on internet they might be mirrors |
| 13:04:34 | copper | [Saint]: thanks, I totally missed the %St tag |
| 13:05:13 | Insider | of found it |
| 13:05:16 | Insider | ok found it |
| 13:05:48 | pamaury | actually I'm wondering: is there any non-european version ?! |
| 13:06:04 | [Saint] | apparently not. |
| 13:06:18 | [Saint] | and the "go here; search for blah" method returns no results for me. :) |
| 13:06:42 | pamaury | Insider: however the device might prevent itself from downgrading using the standard update mechanism |
| 13:07:58 | Insider | yes |
| 13:11:27 | Insider | so the firmware is unique? |
| 13:11:42 | Insider | it recognized the european version from hardware? |
| 13:11:44 | pamaury | what do you mean by unique ? |
| 13:11:52 | Insider | no european version |
| 13:11:53 | pamaury | I don't know |
| 13:12:14 | [Saint] | Is there a locale setting in the FW? |
| 13:12:31 | Insider | usually yes |
| 13:12:41 | Insider | I had the Creative Zen M300 |
| 13:13:08 | Insider | you can setup the country, but the volume doesn't change |
| 13:13:13 | [Saint] | I don't care about usually. I'm talking about this specific instance. |
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| 13:13:37 | [Saint] | And if that's the case, then, there's approximately nothing you can do, I guess. |
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| 13:13:50 | Insider | I think that the policy adopted is the same. |
| 13:14:44 | Insider | good alternative to zen x-fi 3? One thing I link of Creative players is the battery. |
| 13:14:57 | Insider | I compared it with Sansa Clip + |
| 13:15:08 | Insider | 7 hour (Sansa), 20 hour (Creative) |
| 13:15:40 | [Saint] | If you're getting 7h with the Clip+, you're doing something wrong. |
| 13:15:51 | [Saint] | ...or the battery is on its way out. |
| 13:17:21 | [Saint] | Using Rockbox, the Clip+ should be getting between 10~17h |
| 13:17:38 | [Saint] | the OF should be getting around 10 at least. |
| 13:20:52 | [Saint] | ...unless a recent firmware update slashed a few hours off their runtime, which I doubt. |
| 13:21:03 | pamaury | Insider: was the sound okay in older versions of the zen x-fi3 firmware ? |
| 13:21:40 | Insider | yes, starting from 1.00.22e it become low |
| 13:21:55 | Insider | I found the 1.00.15e |
| 13:22:04 | copper | [Saint]: actually: %?if(%St(font), =, 14-Nimbus)<nimbus|other> |
| 13:22:06 | Insider | but however this restore some old bug |
| 13:22:39 | [Saint] | copper: aha, I was unsure if it stripped the path or not. |
| 13:23:33 | pamaury | Insider: ok i'll see what I do, maybe I can shift the volume range, that looks more feasible than removing a volume cap |
| 13:23:37 | [Saint] | copper: remember you can nest checks for other cases in the "other" section you have there. |
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| 13:24:54 | copper | yes |
| 13:25:01 | Insider | pamaury did you have some disassembler? |
| 13:25:15 | Insider | what processor it have? |
| 13:25:16 | Insider | ARM? |
| 13:25:20 | [Saint] | %?if(%St(font),=,14-Nimbus)<do blah|%?if(%St(font), =, 12-Nimbus)<do baz|%?if(%St(font), =, 10-Nimbus)<do foo|other>>> |
| 13:25:24 | SovonHalder | copper: how far is everything about themes ? |
| 13:25:44 | copper | SovonHalder: made a lot of changes, I'm getting there |
| 13:26:13 | pamaury | I use IDA pro, it's an ARMv5 (arm926ej-s) |
| 13:26:38 | SovonHalder | the admin there made a very interesting and useful coment on anythingbutipod |
| 13:27:02 | Insider | I'd like to do investigation too. But I'm not sure what instruments I have to use. |
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| 13:28:49 | Insider | there's not a way to execute the firmware in order to see the ui (with no sound or other things), isn't it? |
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| 13:29:37 | [Saint] | No. |
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| 13:39:58 | Insider | pamaury: extracting the firmware update files, I have the 'firmware.sb' file, but IDA cannot open it. |
| 13:40:14 | Insider | (I have tried the non PRO version of IDA) |
| 13:40:38 | copper | It's counterintuitive that %Vd(a) needs to be specified BEFORE %Vl(a,-) |
| 13:41:07 | [Saint] | it needn't. |
| 13:41:23 | copper | it doesn't work otherwise |
| 13:41:55 | copper | brb |
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| 13:41:59 | [Saint] | it certainly should. |
| 13:42:29 | pamaury | Insider: it needs to be decrypted using a tool I wrote |
| 13:44:37 | pamaury | the simplest way is probably to clone our repository, because you will need quite a few files |
| 13:44:53 | Insider | I have downloaded the VM |
| 13:45:45 | pamaury | Ok, I don't recall exactly what is in the VM, do you have a copy of our repository somewhere in it ? |
| 13:46:28 | pamaury | you can use this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit |
| 13:47:01 | [Saint] | I'm not sure if the VM image has been updated since the switch to git |
| 13:47:32 | pamaury | it doesn't really matter as long as there is git in the VM |
| 13:50:00 | [Saint] | copper: the reason for it happening like that is because if you do %Vl(foo....); %Vd(foo), foo isn't active yet, so %Vd(foo) never gets called. |
| 13:50:22 | [Saint] | But, if there's a fullscreen static viewport in between the two, %Vd(foo) will be called. |
| 13:51:35 | [Saint] | That's basically asking the viewport to fire itself, as everything after a viewport declaration is included within that viewport, until the next viewport declaration. |
| 13:51:53 | * | Insider is cloning... |
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| 13:58:38 | Insider | ok cloned. |
| 13:58:56 | Insider | pamaury, where your tool is located? |
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| 14:00:21 | pamaury | cd rbutil/mkimxboot |
| 14:00:23 | pamaury | make |
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| 14:38:31 | copper | I don't suppose it's possible to have a viewport inside a larger viewport? |
| 14:38:58 | copper | handling different font sizes is rather impractical |
| 14:39:36 | copper | it would be a lot more doable if I could have a single %?if() for the font size, that would select a "master" viewport |
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| 14:41:44 | copper | oh, it works? :O |
| 14:42:55 | copper | "Viewports can share identifiers so you don't end up with bloated code" |
| 14:42:59 | copper | I don't understand that sentence |
| 14:46:17 | copper | nah that doesn't work |
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| 15:11:45 | [Saint] | copper, for example, several viewports can share an identifier and be called at once. |
| 15:12:01 | [Saint] | identifiers needn't be unique. |
| 15:12:57 | copper | Ah, I see |
| 15:12:59 | copper | thank you |
| 15:13:25 | [Saint] | and no, you cannot embed a viewport in another viewport except the global default viewport (fullscreen) |
| 15:20:22 | [Saint] | Also, I'm not sure if you're aware, but, for readabilities sake identifiers needn't be single character. |
| 15:21:20 | [Saint] | For example, you can do %Vl(metadata display viewport, .......); %Vd(metadata display viewport) |
| 15:21:33 | copper | yes only "m" will count |
| 15:21:42 | [Saint] | =No. |
| 15:21:45 | [Saint] | -+ |
| 15:21:48 | copper | ? |
| 15:21:49 | [Saint] | = even |
| 15:21:58 | copper | what? |
| 15:22:12 | [Saint] | no, the entire indentifer would be "metadata display viewport" |
| 15:22:27 | [Saint] | they haven't been limited to single characters for ages. |
| 15:22:27 | copper | the wiki says "a single lowercase character" |
| 15:22:33 | copper | meh! |
| 15:22:37 | [Saint] | the wiki is wrong. |
| 15:22:40 | copper | geez |
| 15:22:41 | [Saint] | It usually is. |
| 15:22:56 | copper | well thanks for the heads up! |
| 15:23:11 | copper | spaces ok? |
| 15:23:34 | copper | "metadata display viewport" <−−- that's a valid identifier? |
| 15:23:40 | [Saint] | should be, yes. but I'm not certain. |
| 15:24:19 | [Saint] | everything before the first "," should be considered the ident |
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| 15:26:18 | [Saint] | Another thing the wiki probably doesn't mention is that subimages for bitmapstrips needn't be done as %?XX<%xd(Aa)|%xd(Ab|%xd(Ac)... anymore, which limited you to 26 subimages. |
| 15:26:39 | copper | you might want to edit it |
| 15:26:57 | [Saint] | you can now do %?xx<%xd(identifer,1)|%xd(identifier, 2)|...etc |
| 15:27:43 | [Saint] | I need to go through and trash the wiki in favor of the manual. |
| 15:27:52 | [Saint] | Consolidating the info from both. |
| 15:28:05 | [Saint] | Hilariously, neither is complete. |
| 15:28:22 | lebellium | [Saint]: more than 26 subimages. Aa>Az then AA > AZ |
| 15:28:34 | [Saint] | AH, yes, sorry, 52. |
| 15:28:49 | lebellium | which is enough in most cases |
| 15:29:53 | [Saint] | But, try looking at the code and figuring out which number xd(ZF) is referring to. :) |
| 15:30:18 | [Saint] | %xd(Z, 32)...much nicer. |
| 15:30:31 | [Saint] | %xd(image_name, 32)...nicer still |
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| 15:34:02 | lebellium | I prefer %?pv<%xd(Ga)|...|%xd(GK)> than %?pv<%xd(volume,1)|...|%xd(volume,32)> which would be much longer |
| 15:34:06 | lebellium | quick lines are better |
| 15:34:39 | [Saint] | It would be longer, yes, but parse in exactly the same time with the bonus of being readily human readable. |
| 15:35:44 | lebellium | short lines* |
| 15:36:15 | lebellium | would be more readable indeed. |
| 15:36:50 | [Saint] | see: http://pastebin.com/VdrjdbjS for an example |
| 15:37:26 | [Saint] | (yes, I know the caps are ugly - but, I use caps to make idents obvious) |
| 15:39:43 | Insider | did you known of some mp3 player (with microsdhc slot) with both advantages of Sansa Clip (high output volume for european) and Creative Zen (long battery life)? |
| 15:40:27 | [Saint] | Well, in here, we'd only care about Rockbox targets - where the volume cap is irrelevant. |
| 15:40:42 | copper | goddamn, I'm getting there |
| 15:40:45 | [Saint] | The Zen also doesn't have particularly long battery life. |
| 15:41:00 | Insider | my Zen M300 have full 20 hour of mp3 playback |
| 15:41:00 | copper | handling 3 different fonts: 14-Nimbus, 19-Nimbus, 21-Adobe-Helvetica |
| 15:41:07 | [Saint] | 20 hours is *nothing* |
| 15:41:08 | Insider | (had*) |
| 15:41:16 | copper | making sure everything is correctly positionned and aligned with any of those 3 fonts |
| 15:41:18 | Insider | but is about double of Sansa |
| 15:41:47 | [Saint] | As I mentioned earlier, for you to be getting 7 hours out of a Clip+, something was wrong. |
| 15:42:26 | [Saint] | Rockbox cab squeeze 17 hours out of a Clip+ |
| 15:42:29 | [Saint] | *can |
| 15:42:47 | Insider | it support also Clip Zip? |
| 15:42:50 | lebellium | I reach 10-15hrs with my 3 year old clip+ |
| 15:43:04 | [Saint] | iPod Classic 6G ("fat"), with Rockbox...? |
| 15:43:09 | [Saint] | ~54 hours |
| 15:43:34 | [Saint] | And, yes, the Clip Zip is supported. |
| 15:43:54 | Insider | I think I'll buy a Clip Zip |
| 15:44:35 | Insider | I can't found a better mp3 player for that price. |
| 15:44:37 | [Saint] | The touchpad on it is really horrible. |
| 15:44:44 | [Saint] | *really* horrible. |
| 15:44:51 | Insider | ah! |
| 15:44:53 | Insider | :( |
| 15:44:56 | lebellium | touchpad on clip zip?! |
| 15:45:20 | [Saint] | Whoops, I mentally replaced Clip Zip with Fuze+ |
| 15:45:21 | Insider | but why a touch interface on a mp3 player?? |
| 15:45:29 | Insider | ! |
| 15:45:39 | [Saint] | Sorry, I messed up. I was thinking of the Fuze+, not the CLip Zip. |
| 15:45:54 | Insider | ah ok |
| 15:46:14 | [Saint] | The Zip is a nice little player. |
| 15:46:23 | [Saint] | Though, I've only used mine like 3 times. |
| 15:46:35 | [Saint] | Cute little screen. |
| 15:46:50 | Insider | I had the Clip + in past |
| 15:47:03 | Insider | I remember it was very fast |
| 15:47:49 | Insider | but one day, I'm about to charge it (pluggin the usb) and the player dead. |
| 15:48:18 | [Saint] | This is all too common for these devices, apparently. |
| 15:48:25 | Insider | the display take off, it become very hot |
| 15:48:38 | Insider | Sansa series suffer of that problem. |
| 15:48:43 | Insider | Never a problem with Creative. |
| 15:48:51 | Insider | (such a*) |
| 15:49:07 | [Saint] | We ocasionally see Sansa devices abruptly die. |
| 15:49:18 | Insider | Yes, I can confirm. |
| 15:49:25 | | Part LinusN |
| 15:49:37 | Insider | So what mp3 player do you use? |
| 15:50:34 | [Saint] | I use an iPod Color with a 64GB compact flash card, and a few iPod Classic 6G 160GB. |
| 15:50:52 | [Saint] | I have many other assorted devices, however. |
| 15:50:57 | [Saint] | I just don't use them. |
| 15:51:17 | lebellium | I thought you used your Nanos |
| 15:52:06 | [Saint] | I use them occasionally, but, less and less now. |
| 15:52:18 | [Saint] | 4GB just isn't enough storage. |
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| 15:53:15 | lebellium | you don't have a 8GB one? |
| 15:53:46 | [Saint] | Not anymore, no. I used to, but it seems to have gone AWOL. |
| 15:54:08 | [Saint] | Its probably around here somewhere. |
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| 15:54:32 | Insider | bah |
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| 15:54:45 | Insider | I think I will put rockbox on X-Fi 3 |
| 15:55:01 | [Saint] | I'm not sure there's a ready installer. |
| 15:55:08 | Insider | With original firmware, the device is unusable |
| 15:55:14 | [Saint] | I'm not even sure the code for that port is in our sources. |
| 15:55:22 | Insider | the volume is tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo low |
| 15:55:24 | [Saint] | pamaury: ^? |
| 15:55:39 | pamaury | installer is not ready, there patches on gerrit but I'm waiting for bluebrother to check them |
| 15:55:42 | Insider | Stupid Creative. |
| 15:55:49 | pamaury | but otherwise it's easily done with linux |
| 15:55:52 | [Saint] | aha. thanks. |
| 15:56:12 | Insider | There's some instruction on how I can do it? |
| 15:56:18 | webguest22 | I wonder how far off the next release is... |
| 15:56:31 | [Saint] | webguest22: we're overdue, I believe. |
| 15:56:36 | pamaury | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZENXFi3Port |
| 15:56:52 | pamaury | there is a prebuilt image for the bootloader so you don't have to build it yourself |
| 15:57:01 | pamaury | it will disappear when rbutil is ready |
| 15:57:16 | webguest22 | Have any idea? |
| 15:57:33 | Insider | but there's a way to reinstall the original firmware? |
| 15:57:35 | [Saint] | AlexP is usually the release chairman, but I haven't seen any talk of a feature freeze lately. |
| 15:57:50 | [Saint] | It was mentioned in passing the other day, but, I didn't see any followup. |
| 15:58:15 | webguest22 | Ah well. Guess we will just have to wait and see, |
| 15:58:22 | [Saint] | Insider: yes, you can revert to the original firmware. |
| 15:58:47 | [Saint] | If dual-boot is active on this target, you can boot both. |
| 15:58:51 | [Saint] | I believe it is. |
| 15:58:51 | Insider | ok, I say that, because if my device result damaged, I think I have to restore the original firmware (for warranty) |
| 15:59:25 | pamaury | yes |
| 15:59:25 | pamaury | and it cannot be bricked (virtually) |
| 15:59:41 | [Saint] | webguest22: generally speaking, it is perfectly safe to run the git versions. |
| 15:59:54 | [Saint] | and RbUtil can backup your current installation for you. |
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| 16:00:12 | [Saint] | (or, you can, its just as simple as copying /.rockbox |
| 16:00:14 | [Saint] | ) |
| 16:00:35 | Insider | dual-boot is a very nice option |
| 16:00:40 | Insider | very very nice |
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| 16:00:53 | [Saint] | If there's some feature you're waiting for from a release, there's no harm in trying git head. |
| 16:01:03 | [Saint] | you can always roll back. |
| 16:01:28 | | Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) |
| 16:02:38 | pamaury | and even better: tell us (me ?) what feature rockbox is missing or what feels wrong with rockbox |
| 16:05:35 | webguest22 | I have no coding ability. It's something I want to learn, but unfortunately cannot in the foreseeable future. If I do ever learn, I will happily try to contribute to rockox. |
| 16:06:31 | [Saint] | webguest22: you needn't be able to code, nor contribute, to try out the git versions. |
| 16:06:41 | [Saint] | ..or, perhaps I misunderstood? |
| 16:08:13 | webguest22 | I don't know how, and I don't really think it's worth the hassle, if it might be unstable. |
| 16:08:53 | lebellium | it's the same installation way as releases |
| 16:08:55 | lebellium | ;) |
| 16:09:00 | [Saint] | indeed. |
| 16:09:18 | [Saint] | If you use rbutil, its as simple as picking current version over release. |
| 16:09:44 | [Saint] | manually, just pull from http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 16:09:49 | Insider | "LCD is working. Still lacking lcd sleep, and inversion." |
| 16:09:55 | webguest22 | The only thing that is not in rockbox that I would particularly like to see is epub support, which I doubt is ever coming. I'm more just curious. |
| 16:09:57 | [Saint] | extract the zip, boom, done. |
| 16:10:21 | Insider | what mean "lcd sleep"? the display never switch off? |
| 16:10:41 | webguest22 | But they are probably unstable versions, not worth the hassle of installing. |
| 16:10:58 | webguest22 | I'm just curious about features. |
| 16:11:00 | [Saint] | No, they're stable. |
| 16:11:18 | [Saint] | If its a stable target, the git head build is still considered stable. |
| 16:11:32 | [Saint] | it *may* contain bugs, but, probably doesn't. |
| 16:11:43 | lebellium | releases may also contain bugs |
| 16:11:47 | [Saint] | Indeed. |
| 16:12:05 | [Saint] | There's always a chance the release can contain more bugs than git head does. |
| 16:12:40 | pamaury | Insider: means we don't sleep the lcd, just backlight off, so we could save more power |
| 16:12:45 | [Saint] | I'm not sure anything particularly interesting has been added for stable targets in the last 3~4 months, though. |
| 16:13:03 | [Saint] | oh, sure it has...opus. |
| 16:13:12 | pamaury | recording is not up to date, I think it should work, it does on the fuze+ |
| 16:13:33 | webguest22 | Hhhhhmmmmmm... Maybe I'll give it a try. But I doubt there are any significant new features in them. That is really what I'm curious about. |
| 16:13:47 | [Saint] | Realistically, its preferable that more people try the git head versions. |
| 16:14:01 | [Saint] | More people == more exposure == more potential bugs found |
| 16:14:11 | webguest22 | hhmmm... True. |
| 16:14:55 | [Saint] | webguest22: http://www.rockbox.org/since-release.html is a nice place to check things like that |
| 16:15:10 | [Saint] | (that's all commits since the last release was tagged) |
| 16:15:16 | lebellium | well, the way we present releases, dev versions, as well as stable, unstable, unsuable targets doesn't tempt most people to try anything but a release on a stable target... |
| 16:15:26 | webguest22 | Do you think there will ever be ebook support? I mean real ebook files like epub or mobi. |
| 16:15:39 | webguest22 | thanks |
| 16:15:41 | webguest22 | :) |
| 16:16:50 | Insider | however men, rockbox is a very nice project |
| 16:17:35 | webguest22 | Indeed. |
| 16:17:39 | Insider | keeps the very good work. |
| 16:17:46 | webguest22 | I agree wholeheartedly. |
| 16:17:49 | pamaury | [Saint]: except for the usb/theme bug :-/ |
| 16:18:30 | [Saint] | webguest22: ...dunno, is there a pure C, fixed point, GPL compatible epub reader implementation somewhere? |
| 16:18:33 | lebellium | it should be more visible on the website that most unstable targets are actually usable and that releases are not necessarily more stable than dev versions |
| 16:18:57 | Insider | I always dream for an "open mp3 player" |
| 16:19:09 | Insider | an mp3 with firmware source code released by manufacturer :) |
| 16:20:04 | Insider | so that "everyone" can customize/fix it. |
| 16:20:23 | webguest22 | No clue. I would look around, but I have no clue what most of that means. |
| 16:22:35 | [Saint] | you could always do epub->txt and use it on-device like that. |
| 16:22:39 | [Saint] | but, that's kinda ugly. |
| 16:23:33 | | Part PlexiPrinceton |
| 16:23:37 | [Saint] | Hahahahahaha! |
| 16:23:48 | [Saint] | Amaury Pouly, 142 hits on http://www.rockbox.org/since-release.html |
| 16:24:02 | [Saint] | You've been busy, sir. |
| 16:24:28 | | Quit webguest22 (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) |
| 16:24:33 | [Saint] | You've dominated the active commits since June |
| 16:24:58 | copper | wow, done |
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| 16:25:51 | copper | I was having trouble at first, but my theme (and its 12 variants) now supports the 3 different fonts |
| 16:26:12 | copper | with correct placements / alignments |
| 16:26:27 | copper | that should make the 40-somthings happy |
| 16:26:30 | [Saint] | Huzzah. |
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| 16:28:49 | madcat1990 | Yup, Clip+ definately has serious USB issues, on both stable and dev. Should I report them? |
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| 16:29:26 | madcat1990 | or is this known? |
| 16:30:09 | pamaury | damn, the connection here is too bad, will be back later |
| 16:32:46 | [Saint] | If it magically goes away when you change back to the default theme, then yes, add your experience here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12639 |
| 16:32:47 | [Saint] | If you're using the default theme, take a look at flyspray and see if there's an active bug you can attach it to. |
| 16:32:59 | [Saint] | madcat1990: ^ |
| 16:34:04 | [Saint] | Certain themes have been breaking USB for some time now. |
| 16:34:21 | [Saint] | For an unknown reason (almost certainly memory management issues) |
| 16:36:14 | madcat1990 | I'll change it to default |
| 16:36:17 | madcat1990 | then do a heavy transfer |
| 16:36:22 | madcat1990 | I'll see if it breaks |
| 16:37:25 | madcat1990 | Wow |
| 16:37:32 | madcat1990 | USB is detected a whole lot faster now |
| 16:38:09 | madcat1990 | xfers go up 2mb/s |
| 16:38:33 | [Saint] | Transfer is faster with the default theme?!? |
| 16:38:52 | [Saint] | ...if that's reproducible, that's...well, that's just insane. |
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| 16:39:08 | [Saint] | Interesting. |
| 16:41:51 | [Saint] | Heh, saratoga got tricked into replying to a bot. |
| 16:42:06 | [Saint] | These subtle copypasta spammers are annoying as hell. |
| 16:42:13 | [Saint] | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,43256.msg219867.html#msg219867 |
| 16:42:22 | [Saint] | Can a forum mod nuke that guy please? |
| 16:42:36 | [Saint] | (compare his text with the original posting) |
| 16:43:26 | madcat1990 | insane indeed. Not changing ever again |
| 16:43:35 | madcat1990 | USB seems a lot more stable now o-o |
| 16:43:40 | madcat1990 | no 5 second pauses anymore |
| 16:44:00 | [Saint] | I just wish we knew why this was happening. |
| 16:44:37 | [Saint] | I blame lebellium...he started it :P |
| 16:44:41 | [Saint] | Its all his fault. |
| 16:44:45 | [Saint] | :) |
| 16:46:08 | lebellium | hehe |
| 16:47:13 | lebellium | but I'm not expecting it to be fixed. Nobody has managed to fix it over the last 2 years so why now or tomorrow? :) |
| 16:49:29 | copper | [Saint]: my themes no longer qualify as "simple" and "less likely to break USB" :-/ |
| 16:51:45 | copper | thank GAWD I generate theme variants automatically |
| 16:52:08 | copper | still, uploading all 12 of them separately on the Rockbox website is a royal pain in the ass :( |
| 16:52:57 | copper | fill the form, submit, re-fill the form because the theme exists already and the website insists on asking for confirmation, while losing your files, submit, wait for the confirmation mail, click on the link |
| 16:53:36 | copper | I really wanted to upload a meta archive of all 6 variants per theme |
| 16:53:49 | copper | it would be a lot easier (and more convenient) |
| 16:54:45 | lebellium | I assume that would require serious changes on the website. Finding someone motivated these days is not easy :P |
| 16:55:06 | Zagor | copper: perhaps it can be scripted? |
| 16:55:06 | [Saint] | amayer was poking at it for a while |
| 16:55:40 | amayer | *wakes up from zoning out* what? |
| 16:57:07 | amayer | yes i have been working on the themesite. the release of dota2 had slowed my work considerably. but i still find time to work on it. the upload process will be a lot better after im done with it and you will log in using the forums |
| 16:58:17 | lebellium | nice |
| 16:58:24 | lebellium | so no shitty real name? :D |
| 16:58:43 | [Saint] | real name isn't required for themes. |
| 16:58:49 | lebellium | it is |
| 16:58:50 | amayer | Yes it will still log your real name if you enter one |
| 16:58:56 | amayer | [Saint]: for now it is |
| 16:59:22 | copper | oh great, yet another Rockbox account to register to |
| 16:59:41 | [Saint] | aren't you on the foums already? |
| 16:59:46 | amayer | copper: you only need a forum account (if you dont already have one) |
| 16:59:51 | [Saint] | *forums |
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| 17:00:13 | copper | amayer: you mean aside for the other half dozen I've been asked to register to for other Rockbox activities |
| 17:00:16 | copper | from* |
| 17:00:33 | amayer | yeah now that i think of it there are lot of logins required |
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| 17:01:00 | [Saint] | amayer: hmmm, I was wrong. |
| 17:01:14 | [Saint] | Additionally, I'm not sure the forum login thing is a great idea. |
| 17:01:31 | copper | that means, SPAMMERS! |
| 17:01:33 | [Saint] | as people aren't going to be using a real name most often. |
| 17:01:52 | [Saint] | and, it is required (despite me thinking otherwise) |
| 17:02:17 | [Saint] | It would be a shame to have to pull themes because someone uploaded as Captain Happypants |
| 17:02:23 | amayer | in my thing real name is still required. and you can spam the themesite now. all you need is an email address and a "real name" |
| 17:03:11 | lebellium | what would be great is require real name but let the use choose to display nickname or real name. |
| 17:03:32 | amayer | I could add that in *opens notes* |
| 17:03:33 | copper | amayer: ah, right |
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| 17:04:16 | amayer | at least if you have a forum account you had to go through captcha (sp?) |
| 17:05:14 | copper | gotcha ;) |
| 17:06:18 | [Saint] | just what we need...spammers uploading screenshots of porn to the themesite! :P |
| 17:07:09 | [Saint] | "Learn how to get a BIG PENIS now with this one weird trick doctors DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW!" |
| 17:07:29 | [Saint] | big_penis.wps |
| 17:07:55 | lebellium | are these themes forbidden? |
| 17:08:22 | [Saint] | Well...technically, no, I guess... |
| 17:08:40 | [Saint] | But I'm sure we'd rather they didn't. :) |
| 17:09:25 | Torne | any spammer who can construct a working rockbox theme that passes the checker should probably be allowed to have a spam link. ;) |
| 17:10:36 | amayer | Torne: haha. all text posted is interperated as literal ( < gets changed to < ) so they cant post links |
| 17:10:41 | [Saint] | all it would need is a .wps that specified a backdrop (of the correct resolution) to be valid. |
| 17:10:47 | [Saint] | Its not a terribly high bar. |
| 17:10:55 | [Saint] | but...admittedly, I would like to see this happen. |
| 17:10:58 | [Saint] | :) |
| 17:11:36 | [Saint] | actually, I think that technically a totally blank .wps file would do. |
| 17:11:57 | [Saint] | hmmmmm. |
| 17:12:07 | amayer | [Saint]: you need a zip file. with a .rockbox folder in it. a wps folder in that. and a .wps file with the same name as your theme. you also need a "wps screenshot" of the correct resolution. and a blank wps file would pass |
| 17:12:31 | lebellium | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyRealNames. "[TODO. - why...] " I'm still waiting for the justification :D |
| 17:12:35 | amayer | oh and the .cfg file is required |
| 17:12:36 | [Saint] | Oh, yes, I know it needs to correct .zip structure. |
| 17:12:40 | lebellium | reason* |
| 17:13:07 | [Saint] | lebellium: its non-obvious, but, the license requires a real name for the copyright holder |
| 17:13:08 | amayer | lebellium: I think we are all waiting on the reason. maybe something to do with CC Licensing? |
| 17:16:47 | lebellium | [Saint]: requiring a real name for this reason doesn't oblige to display it on the theme website :) |
| 17:17:20 | [Saint] | Indeed not. |
| 17:17:29 | [Saint] | I wasn't aware I implied it did. |
| 17:17:40 | lebellium | I have no problem with giving my real name for the rockxbox database. I just don't want it to be displayed |
| 17:17:48 | lebellium | And I'll fight until that changes :D |
| 17:18:51 | [Saint] | Why? Its pretty easy to get a realname from your handle. |
| 17:19:04 | lebellium | sure |
| 17:19:10 | [Saint] | Don't worry, Iwon't out you. :) |
| 17:19:20 | [Saint] | Your secret is safe with me Batman. |
| 17:19:27 | lebellium | lol |
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| 17:25:59 | [Saint] | Why is someone with a Facebook page worried about posting their realname online? |
| 17:26:14 | [Saint] | (with several places online that associate their handle and realname) |
| 17:27:31 | [Saint] | also - its *really* obvious its you. :) |
| 17:28:24 | copper | [Saint]: you can make your facebook account non-searchable |
| 17:28:47 | [Saint] | can, ...didn't. |
| 17:28:58 | copper | you can't find mine |
| 17:29:21 | Insider | ok, I have to go. See ya guys! |
| 17:29:29 | [Saint] | I just found it weird that someone so vocal about the realname policy would have it displayed in (a bunch of) places. |
| 17:29:43 | Insider | thanks for the support |
| 17:29:48 | [Saint] | o/ |
| 17:30:07 | copper | [Saint]: it's the association of his real name + his nick that bothers him |
| 17:30:37 | [Saint] | and that was so trivial to find it wasn't funny, evem if you ignore Rockbox. |
| 17:30:40 | [Saint] | but..hey. |
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| 17:33:51 | [Saint] | also, with slightly more effort, again ignoring Rockbox, I dug you up. |
| 17:34:16 | [Saint] | (this involved some prior knowledge about known profiles, however) |
| 17:35:01 | [Saint] | If someone wants to associate a handle you use regularly with a realname...they'll do it eventually. |
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| 17:42:19 | lebellium | [Saint]: as far as I know my real name is only on Facebook (not linked to my nickname) and...Rockbox |
| 17:43:57 | [Saint] | well, it is linked to your nickname, just, not so obviously. |
| 17:44:25 | [Saint] | ANyway, yeah, if someone wants to find out who you are, its usally remarkably easy to do so. |
| 17:44:49 | copper | [Saint]: how do I use %or()? |
| 17:45:06 | lebellium | without this stupid real name policy associating my real name and my nickname here, it would be already less easy but not impossible of course |
| 17:45:39 | copper | would it kill wiki editors to supply complete examples… |
| 17:45:40 | [Saint] | %or(%tag, %tag, %tag)<|> |
| 17:45:51 | copper | [Saint]: how do I use it with %?if() |
| 17:46:00 | copper | oh |
| 17:46:04 | copper | it's to be used on its own? |
| 17:46:08 | copper | instead of %if? |
| 17:46:41 | [Saint] | if is for a single incidence of truth or false, or is for checking if multiple tags are true or false. |
| 17:46:58 | [Saint] | and is for checking if all the tags are true, or flase. |
| 17:48:05 | copper | I can't use %or() to check for two or more values beyond "true" or "false", can I? |
| 17:48:35 | copper | i.e. I can't use it to check for two or more fonts |
| 17:48:54 | copper | I have to use nested %?if() for that, right? |
| 17:50:55 | [Saint] | Hmmm... |
| 17:53:52 | [Saint] | I can't think of any way to do it cleanly, no. |
| 17:54:06 | [Saint] | It may be possible, but I'm not sure. |
| 17:54:18 | [Saint] | I think nested %if is the way to go here. |
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| 17:56:45 | [Saint] | if you're still awake in ~5 hours or so, prod Mr. Gordon, who will (read: _should_) have a better idea of the logical comparison tags than I. |
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| 18:23:06 | copper | I'll be drunk by then! |
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| 18:40:18 | copper | hmmm, how do you mute audio? |
| 18:40:32 | copper | iPod Video / Classic, or Fuze+ |
| 18:40:49 | [Saint] | you can't. |
| 18:41:04 | [Saint] | mute is a touchscreen specific tag. |
| 18:41:06 | copper | Didn't Torne say something about showing muted audio? |
| 18:41:09 | copper | oh |
| 18:41:13 | copper | ok |
| 18:41:38 | [Saint] | I did, its not possible with a bar, though. |
| 18:41:59 | copper | I'm not using a bar |
| 18:42:00 | [Saint] | in %pv<...|...|...> the first tuple is mute. |
| 18:42:05 | copper | yeah I saw that |
| 18:42:48 | [Saint] | but there's no way to do "mute now, regardless of current volume" on non-touch targets that I know of. |
| 18:43:50 | copper | Another question: is there a battery level percentage that's generally considered "critical"? As in, the device might shut down any minute. |
| 18:43:56 | [Saint] | for bars, %pv behaves like <mute|...as many tuples as you want|line level|greater than 0dB>" |
| 18:44:02 | copper | Is it 1%, or a higher value? |
| 18:44:02 | * | pamaury is going to do a very dangerous experiment |
| 18:44:39 | [Saint] | it varies per target, and is based on voltage iirc. |
| 18:45:09 | copper | meh. |
| 18:45:50 | pamaury | copper: short answer is no, at 1% the device should not shut down (for flash based at least) |
| 18:46:44 | [Saint] | pamaury: do tell? |
| 18:46:52 | [Saint] | re: dangerous experiment |
| 18:47:12 | pamaury | running the internal tick task at 1kHz instead of 100Hz |
| 18:47:31 | pamaury | as expected that's a massive failure |
| 18:47:38 | pamaury | but at 500Hz it works |
| 18:48:55 | [Saint] | what does this achieve? |
| 18:49:15 | n1s | copper: due to the nature of batteries the whole % thing is kind of tricky too |
| 18:49:27 | copper | yeah, forget about it |
| 18:49:44 | pamaury | the expected achievement is to check whether the usb stack is "tick" bounded |
| 18:49:52 | [Saint] | aha. |
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| 18:50:26 | pamaury | apparently not, it is not (trivially) the case, at 500Hz I cannot transfer fast from my fake fixed speed ramdisk |
| 18:50:34 | pamaury | *faster |
| 18:50:36 | copper | %bp: "p" if the charger is connected (only on targets that can charge batteries) |
| 18:50:48 | copper | %bc: "c" if the unit is currently charging the battery (only on targets that have software charge control or monitoring) |
| 18:50:59 | copper | do both mean "charging", just for different targets? |
| 18:51:20 | [Saint] | no. |
| 18:51:33 | n1s | no, you can have the charger connected without charging if the battery is full |
| 18:51:34 | [Saint] | you can use the two to tell you when its reached charge. |
| 18:51:45 | [Saint] | hahah! beat ya! |
| 18:51:49 | copper | ah, ok |
| 18:51:51 | [Saint] | (for a change) |
| 18:52:11 | [Saint] | as in: if the charger is connected, and we're not charging, we must be charged. |
| 18:52:18 | [Saint] | see cabbiev2 for a demo |
| 18:52:23 | copper | %bc = c = currently charging |
| 18:52:35 | copper | %bp = p but %bc != c, charged |
| 18:52:36 | copper | right? |
| 18:53:21 | [Saint] | correct |
| 18:55:42 | [Saint] | %?bp<%?bc<charging|charged>|doing nothing, display battery level> |
| 18:56:53 | copper | a couple more themes and I'll end up an expert with this thing ;) |
| 18:57:30 | copper | I'll be able to monetize my knowledge by making lectures about it ALL OVER THE WORLD |
| 18:57:36 | copper | ??? |
| 18:57:38 | copper | PROFIT |
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| 19:36:32 | madcat1990 | copper, I commend you for doing more themes, if there is documentation for them, you should definately revise them |
| 19:36:43 | madcat1990 | (I.e : improve where applicable) |
| 19:39:43 | copper | maybe when I'm done with this |
| 19:51:12 | copper | well |
| 19:51:22 | copper | it can't be said that I didn't work my ass off on those themes |
| 19:51:35 | copper | paid a LOT of attention to detail and functionality |
| 19:51:50 | copper | can't please everyone, but I think I managed to get a pretty neat result |
| 19:52:30 | copper | [Saint]: I feel like this is one of those things where you need to learn, and you initially don't realise how easy it is, and how much it pays off |
| 19:52:44 | copper | [Saint]: I'm referring to that time when you told me I should learn how to code Rockbox themes |
| 19:53:01 | [Saint] | it does seem daunting initially. |
| 19:53:10 | copper | not that much, IMO |
| 19:53:15 | copper | I wasn't phased |
| 19:53:40 | [Saint] | Its difficult if you know a "real" language, as it totally unlike any. |
| 19:53:47 | copper | lol |
| 19:53:50 | [Saint] | well...I guess its vaguely LUaish |
| 19:53:53 | copper | I don't know any "real" languages |
| 19:53:57 | copper | I know PHP and BASH |
| 19:54:03 | copper | well |
| 19:54:06 | copper | HTML and CSS too |
| 19:54:20 | n1s | looks like perl to me :) |
| 19:54:26 | copper | nah |
| 19:54:28 | [Saint] | I think XML was considered at one point. |
| 19:54:32 | copper | I was never able to decipher perl |
| 19:54:39 | copper | [Saint]: I know that one! |
| 19:54:40 | [Saint] | LUA would be ideal, but raise the bar slightly. |
| 19:55:03 | copper | [Saint]: also, when do you ever sleep? |
| 19:55:09 | copper | what time is it there |
| 19:55:14 | [Saint] | Rarely. :) |
| 19:55:15 | copper | must be like 3am or something |
| 19:55:16 | [Saint] | 6am |
| 19:55:18 | copper | geez |
| 19:55:27 | copper | aren't you like 40? |
| 19:55:36 | copper | I'm 31 and I can't NOT sleep anymore |
| 19:55:47 | n1s | if the thing had been designed today with the much more powerful current targets i imagine a more full-fledged language had been used |
| 19:56:45 | copper | anyway, I had lots of fun doing this |
| 19:56:55 | [Saint] | Awesome. |
| 19:57:02 | copper | and I think it's really fucking cool that I can customize the UI of my DAPs like that |
| 19:57:06 | [Saint] | with a nice result, too. |
| 19:57:19 | [Saint] | 6 nice results |
| 19:57:23 | copper | 12! |
| 19:57:29 | [Saint] | ohhhh! |
| 19:57:40 | copper | iPod Classic * 6, + Fuze+ * 6 |
| 19:57:46 | [Saint] | ah. |
| 19:58:11 | copper | so I get the same UI with both my DAPs :) |
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| 20:02:21 | copper | I have two sets of theme files (one for each target), and BASH scripts that generate the other 5 variants for each |
| 20:02:58 | copper | since the only thing that changes, is the filenames, and some colors |
| 20:03:14 | copper | easy enough to sed my way through |
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| 20:04:43 | copper | I think the next step for me is probably themed lists |
| 20:05:29 | copper | [Saint]: can you point me to the relevant wiki entry please? |
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| 20:05:45 | copper | (is that what they're called btw?) |
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| 20:09:04 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Drawing_the_lists_using_a_skin |
| 20:09:36 | [Saint] | it removes (unless you add a nightmarish amount of conditions) basically all control from the user, however. |
| 20:09:54 | copper | gaaah |
| 20:09:58 | copper | it was on the WPS page |
| 20:10:00 | copper | sorry |
| 20:11:19 | [Saint] | scrollbar placement/size, icon display, userfont selection, line selector, ...all break. |
| 20:12:10 | [Saint] | it forces all these things unless you create a conditional set to cater for each possible case. |
| 20:12:43 | copper | I see |
| 20:12:44 | [Saint] | and the user in turn gets a bunch of theme settings that seemingly no longer do anything :) |
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| 20:43:15 | copper | what does "tuner is tuned" mean, in the context of FM radio? |
| 20:44:11 | copper | %tt |
| 20:44:28 | Kohlrabi | copper is copped! |
| 20:44:38 | copper | They know that. |
| 20:45:23 | gevaerts | pamaury: I've done some very basic testing to see how fast the USB stack was on PP |
| 20:45:51 | gevaerts | That's a long time ago though. One thing I do remember is that DMA disk reads on ipod video are slightly faster than memcpy() from a ramdisk |
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| 20:46:37 | lebellium | copper: it tells you when you're on the right frequency or not |
| 20:49:05 | copper | ok, thanks |
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| 21:15:23 | copper | about Rockbox fonts: http://xkcd.com/1015/ |
| 21:16:30 | dcheartly | City Offices or City off-ices? |
| 21:19:20 | dcheartly | is it because the font isn't fixed-width? |
| 21:20:27 | copper | I don't know what's wrong with Rockbox's handling of fonts, but converted TTF fonts don't look right |
| 21:20:35 | copper | like the word "Playlist" |
| 21:21:03 | copper | Rockbox renders it as something that looks like "Play list" (with a whitespace between the two syllables) |
| 21:21:15 | dcheartly | try Gohu Font : http://font.gohu.org/ |
| 21:21:29 | copper | http://outpost.fr/stuff/Googley-Classic-Storm.png |
| 21:21:44 | gevaerts | If converted ttf fonts don't look right but others do, it's the converter that's at fault |
| 21:22:25 | copper | I've settled on 14-Nimbus (which I don't think is a converted TTF font) |
| 21:23:44 | copper | that one always looks good |
| 21:25:13 | gevaerts | Yes, y, r, and k are clearly wrong on those screenshots |
| 21:25:44 | gevaerts | Which font is that? I know some people have spent hours on tweaking convttf options to get things to come out right |
| 21:26:00 | gevaerts | Possibly [Saint] is one of them |
| 21:26:56 | copper | 14-DejaVuSansCondensed |
| 21:27:06 | dcheartly | Hey copper are any of these fonts monospaced? |
| 21:27:11 | copper | DejaVu otherwise looks great |
| 21:27:18 | copper | dcheartly: nope |
| 21:27:46 | dcheartly | copper, so Rockbox has to do the rendering and calculate the distance between them based on their width? |
| 21:27:53 | gevaerts | no |
| 21:28:01 | gevaerts | Rockbox uses bitmap fonts |
| 21:28:23 | dcheartly | Little boxes with each character, yes |
| 21:28:29 | dcheartly | −−OH! I see. |
| 21:28:37 | gevaerts | We do have a conversion tool that takes ttf, and that tool is fiddly |
| 21:28:38 | dcheartly | You're right, this would be the conversion issue |
| 21:29:51 | dcheartly | Also, notice how only the "thin" characters have problems |
| 21:30:04 | gevaerts | Which ones? |
| 21:30:07 | dcheartly | such as lowercase L, i, and y |
| 21:30:13 | gevaerts | lowercase L is fine |
| 21:30:19 | dcheartly | how about i and y |
| 21:30:31 | copper | i looks fine |
| 21:30:36 | copper | y looks problematic |
| 21:30:39 | gevaerts | i is also fine |
| 21:31:00 | copper | there's always more whitespace after a "y" |
| 21:31:08 | gevaerts | l and i tend to follow problematic letters, but look e.g. at "Plugins" or "Catalogue" |
| 21:31:14 | copper | anyway, anti-aliasing looks like shit on the Fuze+ |
| 21:31:55 | copper | (it's got a really shitty display) |
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| 21:39:36 | dcheartly | so Y and C are the problems, lowercase R seems to do it a bit too |
| 21:39:41 | dcheartly | and lowercase K |
| 21:49:16 | * | dcheartly just noticed he has the wrong nickname |
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| 21:49:35 | madcat1990 | Better |
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