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| 00:08:35 | [Saint] | copper: Rockbox has absolutely no concept of auto-kerning. |
| 00:08:57 | [Saint] | So, occasionally, some letters will look like complete ass. |
| 00:09:38 | [Saint] | There are a few params to pass to convttf to make the effect less obvious, but, its nothing that can be fixed 100%. |
| 00:10:40 | [Saint] | relevant xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1015/ |
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| 00:52:37 | wowaname | i found a bug but it's probably already marked on the bug tracking website |
| 00:53:08 | wowaname | one time error: tried to access database list and it returned an error with address 0x65029840 |
| 00:54:25 | wowaname | whole bunch of times i've crashed shit trying to use themes (or do anything else) :p |
| 00:54:35 | wowaname | but it's way better than the original ipod fw <3 |
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| 00:55:40 | wowaname | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10541?string=scrollbar+width&project=1&search_in_details=1&type[0]=2&sev[0]=&pri[0]=&due[0]=&reported[0]=&cat[0]=&status[0]=open&percent[0]=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= is a wont fix? |
| 00:59:56 | gevaerts | Why? |
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| 01:00:22 | wowaname | why what |
| 01:00:28 | gevaerts | It's not marked as won't fix |
| 01:00:51 | wowaname | someone in comments said; that must have been previously |
| 01:02:32 | gevaerts | Well yes, but then JdGordon tends to want to mark bugs as won't fix if he doesn't feel like fixing them right away :) |
| 01:03:00 | wowaname | ah |
| 01:03:29 | wowaname | rockbox is so fun to play with |
| 01:03:32 | wowaname | :x |
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| 02:00:45 | wowaname | i must fail at themes... |
| 02:01:35 | wowaname | hello, manual |
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| 02:11:56 | JdGordon | gevaerts: ? |
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| 09:29:59 | Bones | Hi, for the Sansa Fuze+ port the wiki says I need a copy of the latest firmware for the Fuze+. Why? is this for dual boot, or is the RockBox firmware using parts of the original firmware? |
| 09:31:10 | jhMikeS | dual-boot is at least part of it |
| 09:33:35 | jhMikeS | gerrit.rockbox.org looks borken |
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| 09:55:10 | Zagor | jhMikeS: thank, I'll take a look |
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| 10:07:03 | jhMikeS | cool |
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| 12:26:09 | copper | woah, wtf |
| 12:26:17 | copper | the radio disappeared from my Fuze+ |
| 12:26:51 | lebellium | :D |
| 12:26:55 | copper | hmmm no |
| 12:26:58 | copper | I must be blind |
| 12:27:12 | lebellium | the radio chip burnt during the night |
| 12:28:02 | bertrik | copper: the main menu is dynamic in the sense that it doesn't show the radio menu if the tuner is not found |
| 12:28:25 | bertrik | so perhaps there was some transient bug/problem causing tuner detection to fail |
| 12:33:33 | copper | it's gone again |
| 12:34:40 | copper | wtf |
| 12:35:02 | copper | how do I bring it back |
| 12:35:41 | pamaury | if it's not there is means there is a problem with the chip |
| 12:36:10 | pamaury | the radio code has not changed in a long time so it's unlikely to be a bug |
| 12:41:09 | bertrik | pamaury: i2c could be in a confused state |
| 12:41:24 | pamaury | yeah but why now and not before ? |
| 12:41:33 | bertrik | didn't you change the drive strength recently? |
| 12:43:42 | copper | it's a bug |
| 12:44:47 | copper | every time I boot with the latest Fuze+ build, FM radio disappears |
| 12:45:00 | copper | every time I boot with a backup build (f285 something), it's there |
| 12:46:41 | copper | f285a0 works |
| 12:50:09 | [Saint] | have you lodged that motherfudger in flyspray? |
| 12:50:19 | [Saint] | sounds like a very easy repro. |
| 12:52:25 | pamaury | bertrik: no |
| 12:52:48 | pamaury | I changed the driver strength of the sd, but it's not in the trunk and it's unrelated anyway |
| 12:53:07 | pamaury | copper: can you bisect ? |
| 12:53:38 | copper | yes |
| 12:53:45 | pamaury | thanks |
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| 13:12:27 | copper | b662e3a2dcaf144471e0558681f4b78dac013f30 is the first bad commit |
| 13:12:47 | copper | bertrik: that's you! |
| 13:13:08 | copper | I'm not sure that's correct |
| 13:13:31 | lebellium | that's basically the latest commit |
| 13:16:33 | pamaury | strange, that's usb, how could it be related ?! |
| 13:17:11 | pamaury | let me check on mine |
| 13:19:08 | pamaury | it works on mine, that must be a different problem, this commit is just unrelated |
| 13:19:30 | copper | I just tried again with the build before last commit |
| 13:19:31 | copper | works |
| 13:19:35 | copper | last build doesn't |
| 13:21:00 | pamaury | bad build ? |
| 13:21:33 | copper | what? |
| 13:21:41 | copper | no, I rebuilt it |
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| 13:28:41 | [Saint] | copper: have you tried (as one should) nuking your config.cfg and starting clean for the repro steps? |
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| 13:28:48 | [Saint] | (back it up, of course) |
| 13:30:24 | [Saint] | backing it up is good for two reasons, for you, obviously, and for anyone else looking into the bug in case it turns out its a particular setting at fault |
| 13:35:28 | pamaury | by the way, the whole storage idle thing seems just wrong |
| 13:36:12 | bertrik | pamaury: oh, by design, or by implementation? |
| 13:36:21 | pamaury | I don't know, both ? |
| 13:37:09 | pamaury | Take logdisk: you log things, buffer is not full, idle has been called. By implementation, next idle will be in 30 sec. Now shutdown, no storage idle called, you just lost your log |
| 13:38:08 | copper | [Saint]: indeed that works |
| 13:38:24 | pamaury | copper: really ? that's strange |
| 13:38:39 | copper | I'm gonna re-do my configuration |
| 13:39:53 | bertrik | pamaury: I was under the impression that the idle callback is also done on shutdown |
| 13:40:26 | bertrik | I know it's not done for rolo |
| 13:41:07 | pamaury | I don't know, i'm trying to use logdisk to log performance counters and the result is just wrong, missing lots of events, especially in the end, whereas logf shows them |
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| 13:42:33 | [Saint] | copper: if you can find the culprit .cfg entry - that would be of *immense* help potentially |
| 13:42:44 | [Saint] | perhaps you can pamaury caould diff your configs? |
| 13:42:49 | [Saint] | *could |
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| 13:47:06 | copper | I'm trying to reproduce the bug |
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| 14:09:24 | copper | [Saint]: I completely deleted /.rockbox |
| 14:09:34 | copper | unpacked rockbox.zip from the latest build |
| 14:09:46 | copper | didn't change any setting or whatever |
| 14:09:56 | copper | FM radio appears on boot about half the time |
| 14:10:15 | copper | I'm rebuilding the build before last to see if I can reproduce it with that one too |
| 14:11:43 | copper | ok |
| 14:12:04 | copper | with c01a728, FM radio ALWAYS shows |
| 14:12:09 | copper | it's definitely a bug |
| 14:12:29 | copper | and like I said, I tested with the absolute defaults |
| 14:12:47 | copper | completely clean .rockbox directory, straight from the rockbox.zip |
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| 14:41:24 | jlbiasini | pamaury: ping |
| 14:42:14 | pamaury | jlbiasini: pong |
| 14:42:29 | pamaury | back from holydays ? |
| 14:43:09 | jlbiasini | pamaury: I got a sd card now so we can see if you can explay me how to update the f+ |
| 14:43:46 | jlbiasini | not really, really getting into them actually. That means also some time more for rockbox |
| 14:43:50 | pamaury | sure, first plug your sd card into your compute |
| 14:44:16 | jlbiasini | ok |
| 14:44:43 | pamaury | do you have parted, or gparted or partitionmanager ? |
| 14:44:59 | jlbiasini | gparted |
| 14:45:10 | jlbiasini | I already partition it in fstab |
| 14:45:17 | jlbiasini | nono |
| 14:45:18 | pamaury | ok, run gparted and select your micro-sd card |
| 14:45:25 | jlbiasini | I'm telling nosens |
| 14:45:43 | jlbiasini | it's fat32 partitionned |
| 14:45:59 | pamaury | you will need to modify the layout to have two partitions on your micro-sd card: one standard FAT and another one, don't care about the type and about 100MB in size |
| 14:46:41 | jlbiasini | ok go on describing for some reason I have to reboot to get my sd card read. But let me understand the whole process first |
| 14:46:52 | jlbiasini | ok I know how to do so |
| 14:47:11 | jlbiasini | which one goes first? is it important? |
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| 14:49:56 | copper | guys, did you get what I said about the latest build and the FM bug? |
| 14:51:09 | pamaury | copper: it works half of the time ? |
| 14:51:13 | copper | yeah |
| 14:51:32 | pamaury | I don't get how this is possible, it's completely unrelated ! |
| 14:51:40 | copper | and since I completely wiped my /.rockbox directory, it can't be a theme or a configuration setting that's at fault |
| 14:52:08 | pamaury | I think we'll need to send you some patches to debug that |
| 14:52:40 | jlbiasini | pamaury: ok, done |
| 14:52:41 | copper | are you unable to reproduce it yourself? |
| 14:52:47 | pamaury | copper: yes |
| 14:52:52 | copper | weird |
| 14:53:05 | copper | though apparently we have two slightly different models |
| 14:53:11 | pamaury | jlbiasini: ok, now run fdisk on the micro-sd card as root: fdisk /dev/<block> |
| 14:53:13 | pamaury | copper: do we ? |
| 14:53:17 | copper | different displays |
| 14:53:31 | copper | remember? |
| 14:53:47 | pamaury | ah, yeah but the screen is the only difference as far as I know |
| 14:53:49 | copper | you made a change that affected my Fuze+ but not yours |
| 14:55:29 | jlbiasini | pamaury: do I run it on the disk (like fdisk /dev/sdc) or on the small partition (like fdisk /dev/sdc1) |
| 14:55:43 | pamaury | the whole disk (/dev/sdc) |
| 14:55:48 | jlbiasini | ok done |
| 14:56:04 | pamaury | press "p" (for print) and pastebin the output so I can check |
| 14:56:55 | jlbiasini | http://pastebin.com/1Sq6M1Ys |
| 14:59:03 | pamaury | good, now we will change the partition id of /dev/sdc1 to 53: press "t" then "1" |
| 14:59:09 | pamaury | then "53" |
| 14:59:55 | pamaury | press "p" again and it should now show "53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3". If yes, press "w" |
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| 15:00:30 | jlbiasini | ok done, what kind of fs is that? |
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| 15:00:49 | pamaury | For the explaination: the bootloader will look for a partition of type "53" and consider its content as a plain sb file |
| 15:01:03 | pamaury | *freescale bootloader |
| 15:01:16 | jlbiasini | ah ok thanks |
| 15:01:20 | pamaury | so the next step is to get a bootloader image (take the one from the forum/wiki) |
| 15:01:25 | pamaury | and to write it to this partition |
| 15:01:37 | jlbiasini | so now I have to dd a sb file to it wright? |
| 15:01:39 | pamaury | there is a little catch though: it must not start at the beginning of the partition |
| 15:01:51 | pamaury | if must start at sector 4, so you dd this way: |
| 15:02:22 | jlbiasini | wait I don't dd a modified sb? |
| 15:02:23 | pamaury | dd if=bootloader.sb bs=512 seek=4 of=/dev/sdc1 |
| 15:02:43 | pamaury | you dd whatever sb you want, if you want rockbox you dd a modified bootloader of course |
| 15:03:40 | pamaury | prebuilt release candidate one: https://www.dropbox.com/s/86f4v7hmjw2hjmi/firmware.sb |
| 15:03:58 | pamaury | ha damn, yes you are right, you must modify the bootloader too |
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| 15:04:10 | pamaury | so you have to build it yourself |
| 15:04:14 | jlbiasini | I still have it compiled on my tree |
| 15:04:51 | jlbiasini | ok what are the modification to do? |
| 15:04:54 | pamaury | ok, build a normal bootloader but before, apply this "patch": in firmware/target/arm/imx233/sdmmc-imx233.c |
| 15:05:22 | pamaury | just after "#ifdef SANSA_FUZEPLUS" there are two entries, one for "microSD" and one for "eMMC" |
| 15:05:26 | pamaury | swap them |
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| 15:05:39 | pamaury | this way the first storage will be the microsd and the secondary one will be the internal storage |
| 15:07:18 | jlbiasini | euh microSD is already the first entry in the code |
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| 15:08:24 | pamaury | ah sorry, i'm stupid |
| 15:08:53 | pamaury | hum, ok different approach: comment out the eMMC entry and in firmware/export/config/sansafuzeplus.h |
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| 15:09:12 | pamaury | there is #define CONFIG_STORAGE (STORAGE_SD | STORAGE_MMC) |
| 15:09:19 | pamaury | just remove the | STORAGE_MMC |
| 15:10:46 | jlbiasini | in what file is the define? |
| 15:10:56 | pamaury | firmware/export/config/sansafuzeplus.h |
| 15:11:52 | jlbiasini | ok, can I compile it now? |
| 15:12:45 | pamaury | yes |
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| 15:16:21 | jlbiasini | is it worth to have dualboot then? I means do you remember if at least the usb of bootloader works? |
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| 15:17:27 | jlbiasini | well details, I can test that myself |
| 15:17:45 | jlbiasini | so anything else to do before dd it? |
| 15:20:17 | jlbiasini | do I also need a special compiled version of rockbox to go with it? |
| 15:22:33 | pamaury | yes |
| 15:22:39 | pamaury | but that's not crucial at this point |
| 15:22:46 | pamaury | we must make sure the bootloader loads correctly |
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| 15:25:04 | jlbiasini | so I plug the card in the f+ and see if I can't start... |
| 15:25:44 | jlbiasini | well no reaction |
| 15:26:16 | jlbiasini | either plug usb or press power |
| 15:26:58 | pamaury | hum, maybe you need to set the boot flags on the 53 partition |
| 15:27:03 | pamaury | with fdisk |
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| 15:28:28 | jlbiasini | actually even before there wasn't any reaction except that dmesg report the recovery mode on usb plug |
| 15:29:01 | jlbiasini | ok I on for a reboot then |
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| 15:32:36 | jlbiasini | pamaury: so it's option a in fdisk, isn't it? |
| 15:32:49 | pamaury | then, press "m" for help |
| 15:33:06 | jlbiasini | "a basculer l'indicateur d'amor�age" |
| 15:33:07 | pamaury | then "a" |
| 15:34:12 | jlbiasini | then w |
| 15:35:46 | jlbiasini | pamaury: no change :/ |
| 15:36:04 | pamaury | hum, can you pastebin the output of "hexdump -C /dev/sdc1" |
| 15:36:14 | pamaury | sorry, hexdump -C /dev/sdc1 | head |
| 15:39:14 | jlbiasini | http://pastebin.com/Rq41UrcE |
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| 15:40:24 | pamaury | jlbiasini: maybe we need to zero out the initial sectors: dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=4 of=/dev/sdc1 |
| 15:40:30 | pamaury | and then redo the hexdump thing |
| 15:42:10 | jlbiasini | http://pastebin.com/sfDrmH3h |
| 15:44:07 | pamaury | ok cool, can you retry now ? |
| 15:45:59 | pamaury | hum in fact you don't need the boot flag, I've checked againt my fuze+ |
| 15:46:54 | jlbiasini | well it doesn't seemed to works and then I managed to boot on OF (never did before) so just in case this is a battery charge issue I'm going to wait a bit.... |
| 15:47:35 | jlbiasini | it OF usb bootloader |
| 15:48:31 | pamaury | ok so you can boot the OF ? |
| 15:48:45 | pamaury | that's a good sign actually :) |
| 15:49:31 | jlbiasini | yes and on unplug I add rb bootloader complaining about file not found as I didn't installed rb directory yet. So I guess it's working now |
| 15:49:45 | pamaury | cool :) |
| 15:50:00 | pamaury | ok so I'm sure of one thing: the 4 sectors need to be zero'ed |
| 15:50:08 | pamaury | jhMikeS: working on FAT ? |
| 15:50:26 | jlbiasini | yes it's seems so |
| 15:52:24 | jlbiasini | pamaury: that's not even sure for the battery is really low. RB bl hold a few second and the screen goes black again |
| 15:53:00 | pamaury | hum, what is the battery level ? it should appear in the bootloader screen in you boot with usb plugged |
| 15:53:50 | jlbiasini | 3% and I charging since a minute or so already... |
| 15:53:57 | jlbiasini | *i'm |
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| 15:55:26 | jlbiasini | pamaury: If you want I will try later without the zeroed sectors |
| 15:55:41 | jlbiasini | anyway BIG THANKS! |
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| 16:02:21 | pamaury | you're welcome |
| 16:13:03 | pamaury | copper: still there ? |
| 16:13:07 | copper | yup |
| 16:13:20 | pamaury | can you patch the code to see why radio fails ? |
| 16:13:44 | copper | sure |
| 16:14:13 | pamaury | edit firmware/drivers/tuner/si4700.c |
| 16:15:15 | copper | yes |
| 16:15:27 | pamaury | in "bool si4700_detect(void)", right before "tuner_present = (si4700_read_reg(DEVICEID) == 0x1242);" add |
| 16:15:27 | pamaury | "_logf("si4700: %x", si4700_read_reg(DEVICDID))" |
| 16:15:33 | pamaury | sorry, missing ";" at the end of course |
| 16:15:47 | pamaury | you need to enable logf with the configure script |
| 16:16:05 | copper | er, line number? |
| 16:16:12 | copper | nm |
| 16:17:10 | copper | logf => how do I enable it? |
| 16:18:40 | copper | nm |
| 16:18:42 | pamaury | line 360, when you are in your build dir, do "../tools/configur", select "fuze+", then "advanced" and then "logf" |
| 16:19:40 | copper | error: ‘DEVICDID’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 16:19:52 | copper | typo |
| 16:20:00 | pamaury | yep |
| 16:21:02 | jlbiasini | pamaury: I still have a strange compilation error when I try to compile th rb directory : http://pastebin.com/BH4SWj55 |
| 16:21:23 | pamaury | make clean |
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| 16:21:57 | jlbiasini | pamaury: i started with a rm -r * |
| 16:22:23 | jlbiasini | and relaunch the configure script |
| 16:22:52 | pamaury | is this HEAD ? |
| 16:23:58 | copper | pamaury: FM radio always shows now |
| 16:24:59 | pamaury | can you go into the debug menu > show logf and see what the "si4700: " line display ? |
| 16:25:40 | copper | 1242 |
| 16:28:59 | pamaury | is it reliable ? if you shut down and power on does it work and read the same ? |
| 16:32:37 | copper | yes |
| 16:32:40 | copper | I don't understand |
| 16:32:56 | copper | did someone change something? |
| 16:33:32 | copper | the last commit is unrelated |
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| 16:33:38 | copper | so what changed? |
| 16:34:03 | pamaury | probably a timing issue, for whatever reason |
| 16:34:09 | copper | ? |
| 16:34:39 | pamaury | maybe tuner is still powering up and adding some code give it a little bit more time |
| 16:35:28 | pamaury | can you remove the _logf line and check that the problem is back ? |
| 16:35:31 | copper | yes |
| 16:38:08 | copper | sure enough, it's back |
| 16:38:33 | copper | FM radio disappeared on first reboot |
| 16:41:52 | pamaury | copper: ok, edit firmware/target/arm/imx233/sansa-fupluze/power-fuzeplus.c |
| 16:42:10 | pamaury | replace "udelay(5);" by "sleep(1);" |
| 16:42:26 | copper | typos!! |
| 16:44:25 | pamaury | really ? |
| 16:44:40 | pamaury | maybe you need to add an include |
| 16:45:09 | copper | "sansa-fupluze" |
| 16:45:20 | copper | anyway |
| 16:45:21 | copper | works |
| 16:45:22 | pamaury | ah :) |
| 16:45:45 | copper | works consistently |
| 16:45:52 | pamaury | ok, interesting. Actually I'm surprise by the udelay(5), I obviously wrote this code but this is a small value |
| 16:46:00 | copper | 5ms? |
| 16:46:13 | copper | I don't even notice the sleep(1) |
| 16:47:46 | pamaury | udelay is in µs |
| 16:48:02 | pamaury | sleep(1) is 1 tick (10ms) |
| 16:48:20 | pamaury | I need to read the si4700 datasheet to check the powerup delay |
| 16:49:04 | copper | udelay(5) is 0.005 millisecond?? |
| 16:49:53 | pamaury | yes |
| 16:50:09 | pamaury | not a lot ^^ |
| 16:50:59 | copper | any idea why bertrik's commit caused the problem? |
| 16:51:07 | pamaury | no |
| 16:51:12 | pamaury | very strange indeed |
| 16:52:11 | jlbiasini | pamaury: head + http://pastebin.com/FWPnheUD |
| 16:53:11 | pamaury | jlbiasini: yes |
| 16:57:50 | jlbiasini | pamaury: so head + the patch I pastebin lead to the previously pastebin compilation error |
| 16:59:03 | pamaury | jlbiasini: ok, add this in the sansafuzeplus.h, #define HAVE_MULTIDRIVE and #define HAVE_MULTIVOLUME |
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| 17:00:41 | jlbiasini | pamaury: shouldn't I define NUM_DRIVES to 1 rather than 2 ? |
| 17:02:27 | pamaury | yes probably |
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| 17:21:52 | pamaury | copper: datasheet that reset timing is 100µs minimum so the udelay(5) is clearly wrong. I'm going to change that, hope it will never happen again |
| 17:22:03 | copper | pamaury: cool :) |
| 17:22:18 | copper | so I wasn't crazy! |
| 17:22:29 | lebellium | for once :D |
| 17:22:34 | copper | :P |
| 17:22:38 | pamaury | exactly my thought :p |
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| 17:28:56 | jlbiasini | pamaury: ok everything seems to work now. I will upload a patch for reference |
| 17:29:14 | pamaury | ok |
| 17:29:32 | pamaury | also document the making of the micro sd card, that way we have a reference |
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| 17:37:55 | jlbiasini | ok |
| 17:38:34 | jlbiasini | do you remember the way you had the boot loader looking for that partition on my device? is human madable? |
| 17:39:54 | pamaury | it's kind of tricky |
| 17:40:36 | pamaury | you need to hook up the i2c eeprom, fiddle with the write protect pin to disable the protection, download the sb file, modifying one instruction and upload the sb file |
| 17:40:45 | pamaury | I'll write a wiki page on this |
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| 17:41:23 | jlbiasini | let's make one big page with all those info on it |
| 17:41:40 | jlbiasini | we could also put info about the rescue mode |
| 17:41:50 | jlbiasini | some fuze+ rescue page |
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| 17:42:33 | pamaury | yes indeed |
| 17:42:45 | pamaury | part of it is generic for the imx233 |
| 17:43:00 | pamaury | yeah, one more item on the TODO ! |
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| 17:54:27 | jlbiasini | pamaury: ok actualy the zeroing part is not mandatory |
| 17:55:02 | jlbiasini | I just dd a new bl and it worked |
| 17:55:27 | pamaury | ok |
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| 17:56:12 | jlbiasini | or pehraps the new copy didn't alter the already zeroed sectors? do this make sense? |
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| 18:00:11 | pamaury | I already have this problem: flash something, doesn't work, reflash works, strange |
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| 19:52:45 | madcat1990 | Guys, I don't say this everyday (But I should). Thank you for working hard on such an awesome firmware! Thank you for making MP3 Players all around flexible, customizeable, and sound great! Thank you! |
| 19:53:38 | madcat1990 | I know its not much, but I just sent a $20 donation to Rockbox. |
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| 19:54:56 | pamaury | madcat1990: thank you |
| 19:55:19 | madcat1990 | No, Thank you! |
| 19:55:59 | lebellium | is the amount of donations each year available somewhere or is it a confidential data? |
| 19:56:47 | pamaury | no idea, I think its Zagor who handles this |
| 19:57:51 | pamaury | or maybe petur |
| 19:58:32 | madcat1990 | This one went to Bjorn Stenberg |
| 19:58:34 | madcat1990 | does that help? |
| 19:59:03 | gevaerts | petur isn't a Swede, which means he's excused from administrative duties :) |
| 19:59:14 | gevaerts | Zagor handles this stuff |
| 19:59:35 | gevaerts | And yes, he is Björn Stenberg |
| 19:59:51 | pamaury | gevaerts: do you know what is the state of devcon ? can petur host us ? |
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| 20:00:15 | gevaerts | I have no idea. I'm too busy with stuff for a few months to keep up with what |
| 20:00:18 | gevaerts | 's going on |
| 20:00:40 | pamaury | we need to make a decision soon if we want this to happen |
| 20:01:42 | pamaury | I will send him a mail |
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| 20:04:00 | SovonHalder | copper: Can I talk to you about the theme for few minutes? |
| 20:07:36 | copper | SovonHalder: sure |
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| 20:18:23 | pamaury | apparently petur thought that nobody is interested by DevCon given the answers to his last mail |
| 20:18:27 | pamaury | :( |
| 20:18:57 | copper | SovonHalder: hello? |
| 20:20:22 | SovonHalder | okay..I saw your last post on anythingbutipod |
| 20:20:33 | copper | yup |
| 20:20:46 | SovonHalder | Can I say something related to your upload? |
| 20:20:50 | copper | No. |
| 20:20:57 | copper | just keeeedding |
| 20:21:04 | SovonHalder | :D |
| 20:21:05 | copper | don't ask to ask :P |
| 20:22:13 | gevaerts | pamaury: which mail was that? |
| 20:22:44 | pamaury | I think DevCon2013: your action needed |
| 20:22:51 | SovonHalder | Well..don't get mad at me..just saying.. I don't think nobody personally likes to see the release year of the album after when they have to pause the song. why don't just add the year next to album title like (year)? |
| 20:23:00 | SovonHalder | in first braces |
| 20:23:16 | pamaury | He can still host us though, maybe we need to say "up" :) |
| 20:23:17 | copper | because space is limited |
| 20:23:19 | SovonHalder | like Under The Iron Sea (2009) |
| 20:23:39 | SovonHalder | well...you are adding just after the album name |
| 20:23:49 | SovonHalder | in single line |
| 20:24:02 | copper | that's already 7 more characters |
| 20:24:19 | gevaerts | pamaury: the response was eight names on the list. I'm confused. Sure, we've had more in the past, but that's not *bad*, is it? |
| 20:24:21 | copper | it can be more if the file is tagged with a full date, like 2013-08-16 |
| 20:24:49 | copper | I don't think it's a vital piece of information, and if people really want it, they can pause for a second |
| 20:24:54 | SovonHalder | do you personally tag release year like that? |
| 20:24:58 | copper | no |
| 20:25:05 | copper | but it's a valid value |
| 20:25:20 | copper | some people are OCD enough to tag the full release date |
| 20:25:20 | pamaury | gevaerts: I agree, maybe he just got the impression that nobody was interested |
| 20:25:55 | copper | SovonHalder: I appreciate suggestions, but really, I can't please everyone, and if you want it bad, you can just learn how to modify themes, it really isn't that complicated |
| 20:26:13 | copper | it's a lot easier to slightly modify a theme, than to design a whole theme from scratch |
| 20:26:25 | SovonHalder | adding the year next to the album title would be a fantastic idea according to a forum poll I did on our forum..so if you please..decision entirely rests upon you |
| 20:26:45 | copper | uh |
| 20:26:46 | copper | wait |
| 20:27:32 | copper | SovonHalder: we're arguing for nothing |
| 20:27:44 | copper | that only affects the Fuze+ |
| 20:27:47 | SovonHalder | the addition of + sign when charging & FORMAT | Bitrate is a grand good idea by the way |
| 20:27:55 | copper | the Classic theme always displays the release date |
| 20:28:59 | SovonHalder | I haven't tried them yet.. I thought a talk to you befor I do will be nice & I wanted to thank you for what you did...fantastic |
| 20:29:14 | copper | SovonHalder: http://i.imgur.com/7PiH9y0.png |
| 20:29:42 | copper | on the Classic, only the last line changes from "next song" to "codec" when pausing |
| 20:31:03 | copper | that's because I'm able to display more lines on the Classic |
| 20:31:22 | pamaury | gevaerts: ok, should we just run a quick check and tell petur we are ok, no reason to loose more time. You are ok to come on september 14 ? |
| 20:31:26 | SovonHalder | are you a graphic designer of some sort? |
| 20:31:33 | copper | most certainly not! |
| 20:31:38 | copper | I'm only able to copy stuff |
| 20:31:43 | copper | not really create on my own |
| 20:31:48 | gevaerts | pamaury: I am, yes. Nothing booked yet or anything, but I plan to be there |
| 20:31:50 | SovonHalder | where from do you come with such brilliant layouts then? |
| 20:32:02 | copper | copying various designs |
| 20:32:25 | SovonHalder | well...it's dangerously beautiful |
| 20:32:27 | SovonHalder | thank you |
| 20:32:32 | copper | my main inspiration for the Googley themes is Google, as the name suggest |
| 20:32:35 | copper | suggests* |
| 20:33:02 | SovonHalder | are you done with the theme for now? |
| 20:33:16 | copper | pretty much |
| 20:33:18 | pamaury | gevaerts: he told me he may have a look if we tell him. Ok let's check the others: wodz, kugel, Zagor, AlexP, bluebrother |
| 20:33:20 | SovonHalder | You haven't uploaded them on RockBox yet |
| 20:33:28 | copper | no because I'm waiting for some feedback |
| 20:33:32 | copper | in case I forgot something |
| 20:33:38 | SovonHalder | will there be something different when you do? |
| 20:33:47 | copper | but I don't really want to add anything else, because I don't want to clog the UI |
| 20:34:10 | SovonHalder | can you give me the links for iPod Classic then please? |
| 20:34:24 | copper | it's in the forum post |
| 20:34:33 | copper | http://outpost.fr/rockbox/ |
| 20:34:40 | copper | it's the Googley-Classic-* zip files |
| 20:35:45 | copper | also you might want to get the font pack: http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.13/rockbox-fonts-3.13.zip |
| 20:36:06 | copper | and use one of those three fonts: 14-Nimbus, 19-Nimbus or 21-Adobe-Helvetica |
| 20:36:23 | copper | the themes will load 14-Nimbus by default if it's present |
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| 20:47:23 | lebellium | SovonHalder: I always display album year in all my themes because I think it's an important info. So is file codec and bitrate. But everybody has different expectations so as a theme designer at some point you have to make choices based on something, usually based on your own tastes and needs. That's why copper's and my themes don't necessarily display the same information for example ;) |
| 20:47:42 | lebellium | but it should be easy to edit copper's theme and add %?iy<%(%iy%)|> |
| 20:47:47 | lebellium | to get album year |
| 20:47:50 | copper | why is codec and bitrate important? |
| 20:48:38 | copper | what does it tell you? |
| 20:49:42 | copper | 1) I already know how my music is encoded |
| 20:49:55 | copper | 2) I'll play the file regardless |
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| 20:50:45 | lebellium | I don't understand why you ask that. I just said above we all have different needs so people can't expect a theme to be exactly as they wish unless they design it themselves as we both do |
| 20:51:00 | copper | I don't get what's the value of that information |
| 20:51:11 | copper | it's an honest question |
| 20:52:01 | SovonHalder | copper: I have your previous Googley-Classic-Storm theme |
| 20:52:09 | SovonHalder | how do I remove it ? |
| 20:52:20 | copper | don't |
| 20:52:25 | copper | just overwrite |
| 20:52:39 | SovonHalder | I just installed Googley-Classic-Green |
| 20:52:43 | SovonHalder | okay |
| 20:52:52 | SovonHalder | I'll have that too |
| 20:53:05 | copper | load the theme and reboot |
| 20:53:07 | lebellium | Because not all my files are a ripped from my own CDs. When it's me it's encoded as MP3 VBR V0. When it's not from me I want to be able to check the codec and bitrate. It helps me to understand why that or that file sounds bad for example |
| 20:53:19 | copper | sometimes rockbox fails to load the backdrop |
| 20:54:02 | copper | lebellium: okay |
| 20:54:22 | copper | I've personally encoded all my files from flacs |
| 20:54:24 | amayer | SovonHalder: if you want to remove a theme you need to delete all the files that are in the the theme zip file |
| 20:58:56 | copper | does cabbie display the date and codec? |
| 20:59:02 | lebellium | no |
| 20:59:07 | lebellium | that's why I make my own themes |
| 20:59:17 | lebellium | If I liked cabbiev2 I wouldn't |
| 20:59:33 | copper | neither do iPods I think |
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| 21:00:27 | lebellium | that's why I like rockbox |
| 21:00:50 | lebellium | because it gives me the opportunity to fix what's wrong to me in OF |
| 21:03:39 | lebellium | the fact that cabbiev2 and iPods don't display it is not a valid reason, we don't care about that. The only valid reason is that you don't need this information to display, and you are the theme designer and you do what you want with your themes ;) |
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| 21:05:36 | SovonHalder | every time I copy new themes like Green, Blue or Orange it says to replace .rockbox\icons\asianclip_555555.bmp this file...are this same for all the themes? |
| 21:05:43 | SovonHalder | *is this |
| 21:08:49 | copper | overwrite everything |
| 21:08:58 | copper | lebellium: it's not the only reason |
| 21:09:08 | lebellium | hum I guess it shouldn't replace this file as copper's themes don't use this icons set. Looks strange to me |
| 21:09:16 | copper | lebellium: the other reason is that space is limited and I don't want to cram the screen with tons of information |
| 21:09:29 | copper | lebellium: it does |
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| 21:09:36 | copper | that's my file actually |
| 21:10:12 | copper | also, I'd rather metadata didn't scroll, if I can help it |
| 21:10:43 | lebellium_ | I was about to say limited space is not a problem with scrolling :) |
| 21:10:47 | copper | also, I always play full albums; so I only need the date information once in an hour (or more) |
| 21:10:56 | copper | scrolling is a poor cop out |
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| 21:14:16 | copper | Jonathan Ive really knows design, and he would already scream at the five metadata lines on the Classic theme |
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| 21:14:47 | copper | also, some people insist on having a "next song" line, others insist on having a codec line… |
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| 21:15:19 | copper | I figured the "next song" line was way more interesting, and that hitting pause when wanting to access extra metadata isn't terribly bothersome |
| 21:15:50 | copper | next, people will ask for shuffle and repeat icons, and probably other stuff I haven't even thought abou |
| 21:16:10 | * | gevaerts dislikes "next song" lines intensely |
| 21:16:15 | copper | you can't put everything on a 320x240 display without it looking overcrowded |
| 21:16:19 | copper | and possibly confusing |
| 21:16:21 | gevaerts | I do like "next track" lines though :) |
| 21:16:28 | copper | ? |
| 21:16:41 | lebellium | copper: either you take all opinions into consideration and you get a compromise which most likely won't be satisfying. Or you consider you are the theme designer, you do what you want and you don't need to try to debate about what is important or not, that's matter of personal tastes |
| 21:16:50 | copper | I don't display either "next song" or "next track", just "->" |
| 21:16:52 | gevaerts | Calling any audio file a "song" is a bit like calling a flac file an mp3 |
| 21:17:09 | amayer | gevaerts: haha nice |
| 21:17:28 | copper | lebellium: what theme do you use? Samsung-like? |
| 21:17:28 | amayer | gevaerts: i caught on to that |
| 21:17:47 | copper | gevaerts: does my arrow satisfy you? ;) |
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| 21:18:28 | lebellium | copper: Sure, I only use my own themes. If I found another theme as good for my personal tastes and needs, I wouldn't need to design my own themes. |
| 21:18:37 | amayer | when ever i write a script that deals with audio files (like soundcloud.com) i always name the vars "trackName" or "trackLength" |
| 21:18:48 | copper | lebellium: no, that was an actual question: what theme do you use? |
| 21:18:53 | amayer | because you are right, i listen to a lot of podcasts and they are certainly not songs |
| 21:19:10 | gevaerts | copper: if it doesn't try to brainwash me into wanting to listen to songs, I'm happy :) |
| 21:19:31 | amayer | I have 2 or 3 themes i use that arent mine. but 90% of the time i use one of my themes |
| 21:19:40 | user890104 | what does "Error accessing playlist control file" mean after unplugging usb? |
| 21:19:50 | lebellium | copper: ? I just told you I only use my own themes. I use "lebellium Samsung-like" on any of my rockboxed DAP |
| 21:20:29 | copper | I don't know what themes you made |
| 21:20:33 | copper | hence the question |
| 21:21:07 | lebellium | copper: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?searchtheme&searchword=lebellium%20Samsung-like&searchtype=name |
| 21:22:42 | copper | just as I thought, "Random Access Memories", which isn't a terribly long title, needs to scroll on the Samsung-like theme |
| 21:23:23 | lebellium | which may be wrong to you but not an issue to me or someone else. |
| 21:24:33 | copper | aaah, I like the pop-up volume bar |
| 21:24:35 | copper | very nifty |
| 21:26:42 | copper | hmmm |
| 21:26:53 | copper | is it normal that my cover art doesn't show in the WPS? |
| 21:27:04 | copper | it does show in the SBS |
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| 21:27:58 | lebellium | that's a Rockbox bug. I don't remember if reboot fix it but building the database (I assume you don't use the database?) fix it for sure |
| 21:28:15 | copper | I don't use the database in the sim |
| 21:28:40 | copper | I've come across some weird-ass Rockbox bugs while working on Googley, too |
| 21:29:04 | lebellium | yes |
| 21:29:11 | lebellium | sometimes I report them |
| 21:29:15 | amayer | no samsung-like for ipod video :( |
| 21:29:16 | lebellium | sometimes I don't |
| 21:29:29 | copper | ah, rebooting fixes it |
| 21:30:07 | lebellium | not yet amayer. I need to buy a 320*240 device :D I only make themes for players I actually have, I don't like just working with the UI sim |
| 21:30:38 | amayer | lebellium: i understand, would you mind if i ported it and sent it to you to upload? |
| 21:32:12 | amayer | actually i should probably spend more time working on the themesite then working on themes |
| 21:32:20 | amayer | ...sooo many projects right now |
| 21:33:32 | lebellium | I like doing the stuff myself for a device I own. It's just a matter of time, 79 mp3 players as of today, I'm sure I'll have a 320x240 one soon enough! So I'm not really interested by your proposition but you for sure can adapt it and upload it yourself as your own version :) |
| 21:33:55 | copper | lebellium: what, no iPod? |
| 21:34:06 | amayer | copper: or cowen D2 |
| 21:34:26 | copper | lebellium: how can you own 79 DAPs and zero iPod! |
| 21:34:48 | lebellium | Have all iPod a 320x240 screen? ;) |
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| 21:35:13 | lebellium | I'm a Apple hater, I only have some iPod because they have been gifted to me: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Arz2DypmySvndE01WVZTM2poemxVTzk1dVRsV0VRbmc&usp=sharing |
| 21:37:22 | copper | the Classic is so pretty |
| 21:37:30 | copper | I sometimes gently carress it |
| 21:37:40 | lebellium | amayer: you're working on improving the upload process on the theme website right? |
| 21:37:54 | amayer | lebellium: yes |
| 21:38:06 | amayer | (sometimes) |
| 21:38:26 | amayer | dota2 and this new chick thats into me take up most of my free time |
| 21:38:49 | amayer | but i tinker here and there. usually 2 or 3 hours a week |
| 21:39:27 | lebellium | copper: You can gift me a pretty iPod Classic if you want :P But personally I will never put some money into an Apple product. |
| 21:39:34 | copper | lebellium: I want to design another theme; I think it'd be nice if it suited those who don't find Googley to their liking |
| 21:40:00 | copper | I'll try to think of something |
| 21:40:27 | amayer | copper: have you tried my oragami theme? |
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| 21:40:49 | kugel | gevaerts: did you (or anyone else) see my last mail to the list wrt to devcon? |
| 21:41:35 | lebellium | copper: your theme looks really nice and if I wanted to, I could very easily add permanent file and bitrate display and release date. But as not everybody is able or willing to modify a theme, why not make another version indeed :) |
| 21:42:47 | amayer | yeah its a good idea. ive modified other themes before. one i downloaded didnt show the play state and for what ever reason that drove me up a wall every time i would play music in my car |
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| 21:43:05 | amayer | so i added a play/pause icon |
| 21:43:24 | amayer | ive never extensivly modified a theme |
| 21:43:37 | kugel | gevaerts: basically more than two weeks ago I noted that the effort is pretty much dead if nobody steps up or even shows interest. no devcon talk (let alone a response) in 16 days |
| 21:43:58 | copper | lebellium: no I mean a different design |
| 21:44:03 | kugel | so now it's even more dead |
| 21:44:19 | kugel | devcon is pretty pointless right now if you ask me |
| 21:45:12 | copper | amayer: really tiny artwork! |
| 21:45:14 | lebellium | copper: I haven't see anyone criticizing or not liking your actual design though |
| 21:45:17 | lebellium | seen* |
| 21:45:54 | copper | lebellium: no I mean, Googley is the way I want it to be. I don't really want to modify it just to please people. I'd rather come up with a different design, that would please those people. |
| 21:46:09 | lebellium | ah... |
| 21:46:12 | copper | just for the sake of making something different |
| 21:46:40 | copper | people can modify Googley if they feel up to it, it's really not that hard |
| 21:46:49 | lebellium | I have no design ideas, that's why I chose to make only one theme and adapt it to all the targets :D |
| 21:47:12 | copper | trying to design something different is where the fun is at! |
| 21:47:19 | pamaury | lol, that is a nice bug |
| 21:47:35 | pamaury | I knew I was right, I knew it |
| 21:47:49 | lebellium | what bug are you talking about? |
| 21:49:51 | copper | lebellium: Rockbox desperately needs well designed themes. Samsung-like is one of the few that's functional and pretty to look at |
| 21:49:57 | copper | the vast majority suck ass |
| 21:50:51 | copper | I'm still learning myself, the more advanced stuff |
| 21:50:58 | pamaury | lebellium: I a bug in our code, explains why our new logging mechanism doesn't work relialy |
| 21:51:00 | pamaury | *reliably |
| 21:51:09 | copper | there's already a huge difference between Googley and my first theme, grayfog |
| 21:51:46 | lebellium | About design I usually only like mines, yours and amayer's. I woudn't dare to say all others suck but kind of :P |
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| 21:53:40 | amayer | lebellium: thank you. i havent designed any of my themes personally tho. i work with designers and i just code them. |
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| 21:54:13 | amayer | I, like copper, have no creative ability to design themes from scratch |
| 21:55:24 | lebellium | I don't either |
| 21:55:33 | lebellium | that's why it's called "samsung-like" |
| 21:55:35 | lebellium | :D |
| 21:55:38 | madcat1990 | If I knew how to code |
| 21:55:42 | madcat1990 | I would make a few |
| 21:55:46 | madcat1990 | I've got so many ideas o-o |
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| 21:56:13 | amayer | madcat1990: if you design them and have a similar target as someone im sure you can find someone to help you code the theme up |
| 21:56:25 | lebellium | madcat1990: I can't code. Learning the theme language is easy for anyone, it's not like learning C/C++ (sorry gevaerts :P ) I assume :) |
| 21:56:36 | madcat1990 | Who would care enough to do so, though? |
| 21:56:49 | madcat1990 | Also, since my Clip+ has that memory thing, I'm kind of afraid to touch themes :S |
| 21:56:51 | copper | lebellium: that's why I called it "Googley"! |
| 21:57:58 | amayer | madcat1990: is the Clip+ the only device you have? |
| 21:59:08 | madcat1990 | @ amayer I have an iMini2G with a broken audio port, Won't turn on... |
| 21:59:28 | madcat1990 | Don't you guys have a theme emulator? |
| 21:59:46 | lebellium | there an UI simulator to help design themes |
| 21:59:48 | amayer | anyone can compile one |
| 21:59:58 | amayer | keywork "Simulator" |
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| 22:00:04 | fs-bluebot | Build Server message: New build round started. Revision c13f21a, 217 builds, 21 clients. |
| 22:00:33 | amayer | s/keyword/keywork/ |
| 22:00:58 | lebellium | madcat1990: look at here: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
| 22:01:41 | madcat1990 | OOOoooh |
| 22:01:46 | madcat1990 | an already compiled version for win32 |
| 22:01:48 | madcat1990 | I love you guys! |
| 22:01:58 | copper | awesome idea to make a simulator btw |
| 22:02:38 | madcat1990 | Y'all got me sold |
| 22:02:42 | madcat1990 | I'll work on a couple of themes |
| 22:02:47 | madcat1990 | just gotta learn this WPS language thing |
| 22:02:56 | lebellium | without the sim, there wouln't be many themes on the theme website I think ;) |
| 22:02:59 | amayer | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS |
| 22:03:09 | amayer | madcat1990: ^ |
| 22:04:05 | madcat1990 | You got it |
| 22:04:07 | amayer | lebellium: i believe that too. i would hate to develop themes if i had to load them on my target to test theme somtimes ill make 5 changes to 1 viewport just to see if it looks better 2 pixles to the left or right |
| 22:04:15 | madcat1990 | I'll try deving some for Clip_ |
| 22:04:19 | madcat1990 | *Clip+ |
| 22:04:30 | madcat1990 | if I make good ones, I'll make some for other devices, upon request. |
| 22:04:49 | lebellium | amayer: exactly. But I assume the very first themes have been made like that! :P |
| 22:05:40 | amayer | i would end up with broken themes all over the place. a lot of the time i will get distracted and start working on something else |
| 22:06:07 | fs-bluebot | Build Server message: Build round completed after 362 seconds. |
| 22:06:38 | amayer | question tho: why do backdrops fail to load? |
| 22:07:06 | lebellium | we can ask the same question for any other bug.... :) |
| 22:07:54 | amayer | *rubs chin* i guess so |
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| 22:36:09 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: I've read the new wiki for rescuing a sansa fuze plus...nice trick, but how can it actually work? is there the support for this built-in in the cpu firmware or so? |
| 22:36:20 | lorenzo92 | *SoC |
| 22:47:46 | pamaury | I know it works, because it works :) It works because the fuze+ boots off an eeprom, so if you modify it you can boot from sd instead of internal storage |
| 22:48:41 | pamaury | but the procedure is not trivial at all |
| 22:50:12 | lorenzo92 | ah okay indeed :) I understand now, because I wanted to do the same on imx37 at a time but I didn't find any solution without still having to flash a tiny bootloader on the nand |
| 22:50:31 | lorenzo92 | and yes flashing an eeprom without a raspberry or so ain't easy ^^ |
| 22:50:53 | lorenzo92 | ...also if someone has succesfully used ext. monitor i2c interface to do so haha |
| 22:57:58 | pamaury | actually it's not a problem to flash the eeprom, you can do it from the imx233 |
| 22:58:04 | pamaury | the problem is that it is write protected |
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| 23:30:58 | kugel | lorenzo92: hey. I disagree that g#321 is a proper fix |
| 23:31:01 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #321 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/321 : Cube plugin fix by Lorenzo Miori (changes/21/321/2) |
| 23:31:31 | kugel | the real problem is related to the linker which seems to prefer libc's exit() over the one in plugin_crt0.c |
| 23:31:45 | kugel | bertrik: ^ too |
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