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02:22:04 | * | [Saint] has new theme related hilarity |
02:22:16 | [Saint] | (when are we going to admit that memory management is fucked?) |
02:22:31 | wowaname | memory management is fucked |
02:22:37 | wowaname | cough |
02:23:10 | [Saint] | My theme renders FIle Browser useless, afaik, this is an entirely new symptom. |
02:23:20 | wowaname | lol |
02:23:20 | [Saint] | eeek, damn sticky shift. |
02:23:23 | wowaname | can see theme? |
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02:24:12 | [Saint] | Its not up on the themesite, no, I'd rather it not be. |
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02:24:27 | wowaname | pastebin? |
02:24:42 | JdGordon | [Saint]: what have you done? |
02:25:14 | [Saint] | I didn't change anything in my theme. I just updated. |
02:25:20 | wowaname | ha |
02:25:28 | [Saint] | File Browser is absolutely useless, data aborts every time. |
02:25:43 | [Saint] | Normal functionality returns with cabbiev2 |
02:26:16 | wowaname | >echo "Normal functionality " . "is absolutely useless, data aborts every time."; |
02:26:45 | [Saint] | I'm wondering when we're actually going to admit that there's something really terrible going on <somewhere>. |
02:27:29 | wowaname | [Saint]» that problem i'm having with random crashes, is that just me |
02:28:24 | [Saint] | wowaname: as far as I am aware, yes. It would help if when this happens you document the exact error (so someone can chase down where its failing) and the build revision. |
02:28:56 | [Saint] | With that information I, or someone else, can build said revision and investigate the map file to see where it fell over. |
02:29:13 | [Saint] | (assuming it doesn't point to garbage) |
02:29:40 | wowaname | >exact error |
02:29:41 | wowaname | >error |
02:29:45 | wowaname | it just fucking crashes |
02:29:47 | wowaname | hold on checking rev |
02:29:56 | wowaname | 0.2.3 r859 |
02:30:10 | [Saint] | that's emCORE, that's not relevant to us. |
02:30:34 | [Saint] | Settings - Rockbox Info should tell you. |
02:30:37 | wowaname | oh fuck |
02:30:38 | wowaname | sorry |
02:30:48 | wowaname | i pay so much attention |
02:31:04 | [Saint] | But without an actual data abort handle, "it just hangs" can't tell me too much, unfortunately. |
02:31:09 | wowaname | 31516-120101 |
02:31:17 | wowaname | i have had one |
02:31:18 | [Saint] | If it prints a data abort handle, that's useful (potentially). |
02:31:23 | wowaname | which i have already posted yesterday |
02:31:33 | [Saint] | I'll check my logs, thanks. |
02:31:47 | wowaname | i'm checking the online log for you |
02:32:10 | wowaname | 01:53wowanameAug 15 18:53:02 wowaname» one time error: tried to access database list and it returned an error with address 0x65029840 |
02:32:10 | wowaname | 01:54wowanamealso, today: undefined instruction @ 0805ee10 when running minesweeper |
02:32:10 | wowaname | 01:54wowanamesalted with random hangs that make a buzzing noise through headphones and require a hard restart |
02:32:36 | [7] | damn, not very valuable information |
02:32:57 | wowaname | that's all i have |
02:33:02 | wowaname | no specifics as to when it hangs |
02:33:11 | wowaname | absolutely random |
02:33:16 | [7] | don't we print the PC address when running into a data abort? |
02:34:01 | wowaname | let me see if there's any debugging info i can enable |
02:34:05 | wowaname | i dont think it would print |
02:34:08 | wowaname | but worth a try |
02:34:11 | [7] | wowaname: wait a second... you're using the ~20 month old build shipped with emcore? |
02:34:24 | wowaname | you mean there's a newer |
02:34:26 | wowaname | oshi |
02:34:51 | [7] | try using something more recent, there are dozens of bugs that have been fixed since then, especially that "hang with buzzing audio" thing |
02:35:00 | wowaname | oh thanks |
02:35:10 | wowaname | i didnt know it was outdated. should have checked |
02:35:22 | [Saint] | Its not necessarily your fault. |
02:35:31 | [Saint] | The documentation is non-obvious about this. |
02:35:53 | wowaname | i could have still searched the site for updates, which i was planning to do |
02:35:55 | [Saint] | extract http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip to root and see how you go |
02:36:16 | [Saint] | Searching the site for an updated build /probably/ wouldn't have yeilded much fruit. |
02:36:27 | [Saint] | Its semi-deliberately hidden. |
02:36:31 | wowaname | lol |
02:36:47 | wowaname | so it's just the files and not the image that are updated? |
02:37:07 | [7] | the .rockbox tree on the hard drive |
02:37:13 | [7] | not the "fallback" image in the flash |
02:37:21 | wowaname | k |
02:37:21 | [Saint] | Its not technically installable via Rockbox alone (we rely on [7]'s third-party emCORE presently), so there's no real reason to make updated builds public. |
02:37:29 | [7] | emcore uses, if present, the image in /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
02:37:40 | wowaname | oh so that's the image |
02:37:45 | wowaname | OH I SEE |
02:38:01 | wowaname | if it cant find .rockbox it uses the fallback. durr |
02:38:16 | [7] | yes, so that you don't get stuck in a state where you can't fix it anymore :) |
02:38:39 | wowaname | ya |
02:38:52 | [Saint] | Perhaps the emCORE docs should point to autobuilder |
02:38:58 | [7] | I thought they did... |
02:39:04 | wowaname | is there a way to update the fallback? i know it would not be ideal since you could update to a nonfunctioning image |
02:39:16 | wowaname | but is there a way to update or would you have to do uber leet compiling |
02:39:17 | [Saint] | Not without flashing a new image of emCORE, no. |
02:39:23 | wowaname | k |
02:39:27 | [Saint] | and they come few and far between. For good reason. |
02:39:43 | [7] | hm, looks like there is indeed no link on our wiki. hmm. |
02:39:47 | wowaname | hold on is the only change in the version the .ipod image |
02:39:53 | wowaname | because that's all i'm gonna copy |
02:40:00 | wowaname | hold on |
02:40:02 | wowaname | i'll just compare |
02:40:09 | [Saint] | No, copy *everything* |
02:40:15 | [7] | lots of other stuff will have changed |
02:40:17 | [Saint] | Partial update *will* end in tears. |
02:40:26 | wowaname | lol |
02:40:27 | wowaname | k |
02:40:37 | [Saint] | codecs and plugins should fall over at the very least if you tried that. |
02:40:39 | wowaname | i'm still gonna do a file compare |
02:40:40 | [7] | if you only swap out the rockbox.ipod file it *should* boot (but I wouldn't be sure), but audio playback wouldn't work because of outdated codecs etc. |
02:41:06 | wowaname | cus i is curious |
02:41:17 | [Saint] | Oh, yes, it'd boot - but, it wouldn't be much use as a DAP anymore. :) |
02:41:24 | * | [7] swears about that fly that's trying to sit down on his arm every couple of seconds |
02:41:46 | * | wowaname pats [7]'s back |
02:41:46 | wowaname | it'll be ok |
02:42:25 | wowaname | ah crap DOS comp command sucks |
02:42:40 | wowaname | now to back up configs and mess |
02:42:53 | [7] | this stupid thing has been annoying me for half a day now |
02:42:54 | wowaname | i did most of it already |
02:43:11 | wowaname | i'll just rewrite the dbs |
02:43:22 | [7] | config files shouldn't be overwritten by updating, they aren't contained in the zip file |
02:43:32 | [Saint] | Nothing user-generated gets removed during an update. |
02:43:43 | [Saint] | configs, database, plugin settings, etc. |
02:43:52 | wowaname | i am aware |
02:44:08 | wowaname | still just checking to make sure i didnt edit an overwritable file |
02:45:14 | wowaname | cus i would be one to do that |
02:45:51 | wowaname | like viewers.config |
02:45:56 | wowaname | wait that isnt copied lol |
02:46:28 | * | [Saint] just uses extract/replace all. |
02:46:38 | [Saint] | Its pretty much guaranteed not to fuck it up. |
02:46:43 | wowaname | i just did |
02:46:44 | wowaname | restarting now |
02:46:49 | [Saint] | Huzzah. |
02:47:09 | wowaname | k hopful that works |
02:47:22 | wowaname | now to sort my nightmarish music/ folder |
02:50:30 | [Saint] | I'm not sure how much of it will be obvious to you, but the several hundred commits you just jumped should make a marked difference. |
02:51:10 | * | [7] figures it might even be more than 1000 |
02:51:14 | wowaname | over 9000 |
02:51:21 | wowaname | ahem |
02:51:45 | [7] | hard to tell with these git version numbers |
02:51:51 | wowaname | i'll probably notice performance improvements hopefully |
02:52:01 | wowaname | any way to change the versioning |
02:52:22 | [7] | hm, probably more battery runtime than performance improvements |
02:52:33 | wowaname | that's also good |
02:56:40 | [Saint] | indeed, battery runtime probably jumped a good 8 hours or so since then. |
02:57:01 | [Saint] | I can get 48~52h from mine. |
02:57:07 | wowaname | :o |
02:57:17 | [Saint] | (which is really, really, really impressive) |
02:57:46 | [Saint] | I don't battery bench often, due to the length of time it takes, but its about time I did another. |
02:57:48 | wowaname | sounds that way |
02:58:04 | [7] | that's less than 10mA power usage on average... can't really be true, even the nano2g uses more :P |
02:58:08 | [Saint] | The "fat" Classic has a much larger battery, though. |
02:58:18 | [Saint] | 850mAh vs 500, iirc. |
02:59:22 | [Saint] | [7]: Hmmmm....perhaps benching without phones makes the difference? |
02:59:32 | [Saint] | I'd never really thought about that. |
02:59:42 | [7] | at those runtimes... probably a few hours |
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03:00:07 | [7] | I'd guess 10-20% difference depending on headphones/volume |
03:00:24 | [Saint] | It never really made me blink due to the fact that for a large amount of time during playback the device is doing very little at all. |
03:00:38 | [Saint] | unboosted CPU, no disc spinup, no LCD, etc. |
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03:00:57 | wowaname | [Saint]» correct, 850 |
03:01:06 | wowaname | the menu wouldnt go up that high tho |
03:01:10 | wowaname | i wonder if that's corrected |
03:01:24 | [Saint] | It should be. |
03:01:24 | wowaname | k |
03:01:36 | [Saint] | I have a patch floating around somewhere that tries to guess the right battery. |
03:01:45 | [Saint] | I should probably push that. |
03:01:56 | wowaname | good luck |
03:02:09 | [Saint] | (not that it makes much of a difference) |
03:02:31 | [Saint] | That number is only used in runtime calculation which is wildly inaccurate anyway, regardless of battery capacity :) |
03:02:46 | wowaname | ya |
03:02:55 | wowaname | it's a good estimate |
03:03:09 | wowaname | if it hits 50 or summat then i'm like ok i need to charge |
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03:04:21 | [Saint] | its a good estimate....except for the fact that mine tells me I have somewhere in the vacinity of 5400 hours runtime remaining on a full charge. |
03:04:33 | [Saint] | Which, back of the brain math tells me is about 90 hours. |
03:04:50 | [Saint] | or: "aint gonna happen" :) |
03:05:23 | wowaname | mine said -1 min |
03:05:32 | wowaname | better than Undefined in Adobe Flash |
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04:13:53 | wowaname | huh I: (my ipod) is mounted but it's like no i dont want to work |
04:13:59 | wowaname | ipod froze |
04:14:01 | wowaname | 2x |
04:14:21 | wowaname | let us try again |
04:19:05 | wowaname | nope |
04:19:28 | wowaname | trying less retarded theme |
04:19:44 | [7] | hm, so that bug still exists and I just can't reproduce it anymore :/ |
04:19:54 | [7] | time for someone to port the new USB driver |
04:20:01 | wowaname | lol |
04:20:21 | wowaname | i was assuming it was the theme i was using taking up a bit more memory than others |
04:20:33 | [7] | wowaname: did you have trouble with UMSboot not mounting properly (i.e. taking long to mount or whatever) during installation? |
04:20:45 | wowaname | yes it took 30s-1m to mount |
04:20:54 | wowaname | jesus fuck now windows wants to format it |
04:21:16 | [7] | ok, so you're one of the people affected by this bug, interesting |
04:21:22 | wowaname | time to backup and do this over |
04:21:23 | wowaname | ugh |
04:21:38 | [7] | wowaname: you should be able to access it using the fallback image, or possibly using another PC |
04:21:40 | wowaname | had this happen before |
04:21:44 | [7] | which windows version is this? |
04:21:48 | wowaname | 7 |
04:21:51 | wowaname | lemme look |
04:22:04 | wowaname | Version6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601 |
04:22:06 | [7] | does the machine have usb3 ports? |
04:22:08 | wowaname | no |
04:22:19 | wowaname | this happened before; the fat32 header got fubar |
04:22:28 | wowaname | if nautilus opens the disk then i'm ok |
04:23:04 | wowaname | maybe not |
04:23:11 | [7] | I'm fairly sure that what you're seeing is a both windows and rockbox version specific problem |
04:23:21 | wowaname | hm |
04:23:30 | [7] | if you want to do me a favor, you could try out a newer UMSboot version just to check if that works properly now |
04:23:42 | [7] | because if it does, we might want to port its new USB driver over to rockboxc |
04:23:44 | [7] | rockbox* |
04:23:45 | wowaname | and even though i am trying to access the fs using a virtual machine, it will still be affected? |
04:23:55 | wowaname | ok |
04:23:55 | [7] | possibly |
04:24:01 | wowaname | what's the latest version number |
04:24:09 | wowaname | i'll search it |
04:24:17 | [7] | can you boot it into DFU mode? |
04:24:27 | wowaname | i can boot it |
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04:24:34 | [7] | https://mega.co.nz/#!NAoChaZA!LvrFIyi-cyTiP40U6Du7ITJpvUEITxhH5VCO2sIyKn4 |
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04:24:39 | wowaname | dammit |
04:24:41 | [7] | https://mega.co.nz/#!NAoChaZA!LvrFIyi-cyTiP40U6Du7ITJpvUEITxhH5VCO2sIyKn4 |
04:24:47 | [7] | use the bootstrapper file from this archive |
04:24:52 | [7] | and check if UMSboot mounts instantly |
04:24:56 | wowaname | [7]» i already have that version |
04:25:39 | [7] | huh? |
04:25:40 | wowaname | crap i'm not gonna mess with it tonight. as long as it plays what's currently on it then i'm fine until tomorrow |
04:25:51 | wowaname | [7]» hold on i'll show you |
04:25:59 | wowaname | Aug 14 21:01:35 TheSeven» the new one is in here, if you want to try if it works better/faster: https://mega.co.nz/#!NAoChaZA!LvrFIyi-cyTiP40U6Du7ITJpvUEITxhH5VCO2sIyKn4 |
04:26:01 | [7] | if you want to copy files, just run the rockbox fallback image from emcore's tools menu for now |
04:26:12 | [7] | well, did you get around to trying it? |
04:26:20 | wowaname | [7]» i am using that |
04:26:20 | [7] | if so, what were the results? |
04:26:28 | wowaname | the results were as i said |
04:26:29 | [7] | so that one took 30-60sec to mount as well? |
04:26:31 | [7] | damn |
04:26:33 | wowaname | i believe |
04:26:48 | wowaname | yep |
04:26:49 | wowaname | no wait |
04:26:49 | wowaname | no nvm |
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04:26:50 | wowaname | i have it but i didnt use it |
04:26:53 | wowaname | i'll try it tomorrow |
04:27:06 | wowaname | i was like "this one works so i wont try the other" |
04:27:12 | wowaname | so yeah i'll tell you tomorrow |
04:27:47 | wowaname | sorry; i'm forgetful |
04:28:38 | wowaname | :p |
04:28:43 | [7] | ok, let me know if it works |
04:28:47 | wowaname | k i will |
04:28:55 | [7] | because that might point to a possible route to fix the rockbox USB problem |
04:29:09 | wowaname | dont wanna do it tonight cus it's 2200 and i'd have to copy over 2000+ songs and ~700 images again |
04:29:14 | wowaname | takes like 30m |
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04:29:14 | * | [7] has the problem that the problem doesn't occur on his system at all, so he can't test fixes :P |
04:29:26 | [7] | you don't need to reinstall anything |
04:29:30 | wowaname | o |
04:29:39 | wowaname | it wont overwrite antyhing? |
04:29:40 | wowaname | ok |
04:30:05 | [7] | it won't write anything before you drop in a .ubi file |
04:30:10 | wowaname | k |
04:30:27 | [7] | and even if you do the installer should only update the emCORE version on the flash, or rather figure out that it's the same and do nothing |
04:30:46 | wowaname | either way if i run into problems i'd rather deal with them tomorrow |
04:30:49 | wowaname | i'll let you know |
04:31:42 | [7] | and as I said, if you want to access the drive, just use the fallback image from emcore's tools menu |
04:31:48 | wowaname | k |
04:31:50 | [7] | that's the old rockbox version that worked fine apparently |
04:31:53 | wowaname | ya |
04:31:55 | wowaname | "fine" |
04:31:59 | wowaname | <3 |
04:32:03 | [7] | you can just dualboot it with the newer one :) |
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04:36:25 | [Saint] | [7]: is there a new full emCORE release? |
04:36:51 | [Saint] | or a known good version from the nightlies? |
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04:43:58 | [7] | there haven't been important (for end users) changes since the last release |
04:44:15 | [7] | and some of the new features, such as the new USB interface, aren't really proven to work yet |
04:44:49 | [Saint] | SO, what do I need to do to test them? |
04:45:07 | [Saint] | DAmn I hate shift on this keyboard... |
04:46:28 | [7] | hm... would be more useful to get that stack ported to rockbox |
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04:57:04 | [Saint] | [7]: is there a known good recent emCORE build? |
04:57:34 | [7] | there aren't any known issues IIRC |
04:57:43 | [7] | so just use latest, if you manage to build it |
04:58:14 | [7] | the latest changes don't seem to work well with the rockbox toolchain |
04:58:40 | [Saint] | awwww crap. |
04:58:57 | [Saint] | I have to build my own? I see autobuilder has been crapping out for some time :-S |
04:59:07 | [7] | yes, that's the rockbox toolchain problem |
04:59:17 | [Saint] | bums. |
04:59:23 | [7] | there's nobody maintaining that box anymore :/# |
04:59:24 | [Saint] | Do you have a binary lying around? |
04:59:46 | [Saint] | I could host the build box, if you'd like, too. |
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05:00:16 | [7] | hosting isn't the problem, setting it up is :) |
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05:01:48 | * | [7] builds a binary |
05:01:50 | [7] | classic? |
05:02:08 | * | [Saint] nods |
05:02:17 | [7] | https://mega.co.nz/#!MdRw2DzJ!Yp6tglKDfw-J_ujAHexh-h97BlFI6hvc-gYnsD0ikgg |
05:02:20 | [7] | that should be latest svn |
05:02:33 | [Saint] | awesome, thank you. |
05:02:42 | [Saint] | that was blazingly fast. |
05:02:49 | [Saint] | ccache doing most of the legwork I assume. |
05:02:56 | [7] | emcore doesn't take long to compile |
05:03:05 | [7] | it isn't quite as big as rockbox |
05:03:48 | [7] | opening a terminal, cd'ing into that directory, setting the right environment variables etc. took longer than the actual build |
05:04:22 | [Saint] | heh |
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05:38:24 | [Saint] | Man, I really wish you could use emCORE to expose storage. |
05:38:37 | [Saint] | (that isn't RAM) |
05:40:20 | TheSeven | [Saint]: we're pretty damn close to that |
05:40:35 | TheSeven | it's just some glue logic that remains to be written |
05:40:37 | [Saint] | Surely it can't have anything to do with me updating emCORE just now, but its taking forever to display the contents of the drive in Rockbox just now. |
05:41:21 | [Saint] | It just took about a minute to display the drive contents in Ubuntu |
05:41:28 | TheSeven | dmesg output? |
05:41:46 | * | TheSeven suspects a bunch of "resetting device with id blabla" stuff |
05:42:12 | [Saint] | TheSeven would be correct |
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05:45:12 | TheSeven | that's another side effect of the very same bug that's causing this mounting trouble on windows |
05:45:37 | TheSeven | it's some race condition between different endpoints |
05:47:51 | TheSeven | [Saint]: we already have an emCORE USB mass storage test app that provides a little ramdisk, but emcore apps can of course also just tell the kernel to unmount the disk and access raw sectors |
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05:48:16 | TheSeven | so it's just some glue logic that needs to be implemented to actually provide access to the hard drive through an emcore app :) |
05:48:53 | TheSeven | basically replace everything that accesses a ramdisk pointer with some buffer management and hdd read/write calls |
05:51:21 | TheSeven | user890104 has that on his todo list :) |
05:59:20 | * | user890104 just finished reading the backlog from the past hour or so |
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06:00:16 | user890104 | uhm yeah, if i find out what's the real reason for these bluescreens on w7x64 when using emcore's usb api, i should be able to complete the app |
06:00:56 | [Saint] | Bah. Screw Windows. :P |
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07:35:04 | BQ | hi people I'm trying to compile RockboxUtility-v1.3.1 from source on linux. The instructions refer to a config file in the tools dir, but none exists. Is there an updated guild to compiling it? |
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08:02:30 | [Saint] | BQ: Why do you need to compile from head? |
08:03:07 | [Saint] | bluebrother (the maintainer) hosts some (infrequently updated) development binaries here: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil/ |
08:03:25 | [Saint] | 2013-03-09 |
08:04:23 | [Saint] | Oh. |
08:04:40 | [Saint] | You said "on linux", so, I guess that means "for linux" as well... |
08:05:55 | [Saint] | anyhoo - I'm pretty sure that "deploy-rbutil.py" does pretty much everything. |
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09:27:01 | copper | wow |
09:27:44 | copper | even when putting *everything* into viewports, empty lines in the .wps file have an incidence on how the theme is displayed |
09:29:47 | copper | some of my code only works when I have like a dozen empty lines in the middle of the wps file |
09:30:51 | copper | following the cover art tags, actually |
09:32:34 | [Saint] | copper: I have only seen that with one specific touch-only tag. |
09:32:38 | [Saint] | May I see your code? |
09:34:51 | copper | hold on |
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09:35:23 | copper | it's hardly readable because I write every block on a single line, to prevent the scrolling bug I mentionned earlier (and possible other bugs) |
09:36:44 | [Saint] | That bug is definitely worth prodding JdGordon_ and/or kugel with after you have an FS entry up. |
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09:40:38 | copper | [Saint]: this is very much work in progress http://pastebin.com/Ser9tqK3 |
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09:40:53 | copper | I'm tyring to determine what will NOT cause the bug |
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09:50:37 | copper | [Saint]: when working on the code, I span conditionals over several lines, with indentation, until I'm done, and then I put everything back onto a single line |
09:55:45 | copper | ok |
09:56:11 | copper | with the 20 empty lines below the cover art tags, my code works |
09:56:29 | copper | took me a while to figure out what was going on |
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10:03:54 | copper | great, everything works |
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10:38:17 | copper | what's the use of the "backdrop" setting in the .cfg file? |
10:38:38 | copper | why not just set %X() in the sbs, wps and fms files? |
10:38:46 | copper | %X() seems to work better |
10:42:34 | pixelma | .sbs hasn't always been there - I believe even the backdrop setting has been there before %X in the WPS. It's easily settable by the user, if you only use one backdrop, you won't need to declare it in three files, it's there in the recording sceen too, etc. |
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10:53:15 | copper | pixelma: the difference is that the backdrop that's defined in the .cfg file doesn't load when you copy a new theme onto the DAP, and then load that theme |
10:53:19 | copper | you have to reboot |
10:54:05 | pixelma | sounds like a bug to me |
10:55:19 | copper | one of many :-/ |
10:59:40 | pixelma | btw. I too found that whitespace, blank or commented lines have an influence on the WPS look but I couldn't find a pattern behind it |
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11:02:33 | copper | pixelma: it's like it draws invisible lines |
11:02:44 | copper | the size of the chosen font |
11:04:27 | pixelma | yeah, seen that too with a non-bmp progress bar |
11:07:40 | copper | meh, %X() doesn't seem to work better actually |
11:24:29 | copper | pixelma: I think the backdrop doesn't load before rebooting because Rockbox hasn't "registered" the new file yet, or something |
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11:38:55 | copper | like the sim that doesn't see new files in the sim directory until you restart it |
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12:14:57 | jlbiasini | where do I create my new setting menu for touchdevice in system or in general setting? |
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12:15:44 | jlbiasini | it will group touchpad sensitivity, disable touchpad on hold, disable only touchpad on hold... |
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12:16:39 | jlbiasini | my opinion is to insert is in general setting |
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12:46:42 | * | [Saint] finds it interesting that copper's theme assumes album art will always be present |
12:46:47 | [Saint] | that |
12:46:53 | [Saint] | 's a good way to piss users off |
12:48:13 | copper | ? |
12:48:37 | [Saint] | the theme assumes there's always going to be album art. |
12:49:28 | [Saint] | also, I suspect you may stop having issues if you move the viewport conditional statements to the top |
12:50:02 | [Saint] | the pattern I follow is usually: backdrop, preloads for bitmaps, fonts, viewport conditions, viewports |
12:50:50 | lebellium | [Saint]: even if you don't put conditional for album art, it will work, even when there is no album art. |
12:50:52 | [Saint] | Re: Album art - its great *iff* you have album art. |
12:51:01 | [Saint] | If you don't, you've wasted a tonne of space. |
12:51:06 | lebellium | that's true |
12:51:23 | [Saint] | lebellium: yeah, that's not what I meant at all. |
12:51:27 | [Saint] | I know it will work. |
12:51:30 | [Saint] | Its just weird. |
12:52:04 | lebellium | He should display another pic instead or use the wasted space to display other info |
12:52:25 | [Saint] | Many users only have album art if it happens to be embedded in one of the random mp3s they downloaded in 1990 from limewire :P |
12:53:14 | [Saint] | and, yeah, what I usually do is have two sets of metadata viewports. |
12:53:28 | [Saint] | One for "has AA" the other for, well.."doesn't" |
12:54:12 | [Saint] | So the metadata isn't positioned off to one side, or a gaping hole, or whatever. |
12:54:42 | [Saint] | Other than that, I'm very impressed by the font-checking conditions. That' |
12:54:45 | [Saint] | s a nice touch. |
12:56:07 | copper | if there's no album art, the backdrop has default art |
12:56:23 | [Saint] | Oh. Ugh. Ok. |
12:56:39 | [Saint] | Sorry, didn't see (for obvious reasons) the backdrop. |
12:57:03 | [Saint] | BTW: you can see me avoiding the bug you speak of here - https://github.com/saint-lascivious/rockbox-cabbie_v2/blob/master/240X320/rockbox/wps/cabbiev2.wps |
12:57:24 | [Saint] | As far as I was aware, it only happened (at least, I could only create it) with this specific case. |
12:58:28 | [Saint] | In my testing I could use any tag there, except %Tl in conjunction with my variables, and it would work. |
12:58:49 | [Saint] | But in the above, if I remove the blanking, same thing...fat grey line in the middle of the art. |
12:59:08 | [Saint] | The fat grey line is still *there*, its just pushed out of bouinds. |
12:59:21 | [Saint] | (as I suspect the case is with your theme as well) |
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13:00:36 | [Saint] | You can also see it in additional places in that theme. In my case, it was only when I used %Tl with variable set/get (touch specific) |
13:03:20 | copper | [Saint]: also, using %?C<> crashes the sim in the fms |
13:03:24 | copper | er |
13:03:30 | copper | [Saint]: also, using %?C<> in the fms crashes the sim |
13:03:49 | [Saint] | Is there a Flyspray ticket regarding this? |
13:04:02 | copper | dunno |
13:04:07 | copper | 10:49:29 UTC <[Saint]> also, I suspect you may stop having issues if you move the viewport conditional statements to the top |
13:04:26 | copper | I tried that, caused similar issues |
13:04:38 | copper | basically I'm navigating blind because I don't know what the problem is |
13:04:42 | [Saint] | Well, if you haven't lodged a ticket, you probably should. |
13:04:50 | copper | so now that I've come up with something that works, I'd rather not touch it |
13:05:20 | copper | [Saint]: you can get up to date zips here: http://outpost.fr/rockbox/ |
13:05:45 | [Saint] | If you have a completely reproducible bug (and, you have a few of them from the sounds of things), lodge it. |
13:06:03 | copper | too many to choose from :-/ |
13:06:04 | [Saint] | Telling us about it in IRC is all well and good, but it'll ultimately be forgotten about. |
13:06:23 | copper | hmmm |
13:06:39 | copper | actually, I suspect most of the weird bugs that I encountered were all the same one: the blank line bug |
13:07:04 | copper | like, one particular metadata line that would show with 14-Nimbus but not 19-Nimbus |
13:07:29 | copper | the fms artwork bug is a separate one |
13:07:54 | [Saint] | I was just in the middle of typing something along the lines of saying the line blanking bug is a very good example of a ticket that should be lodged. |
13:08:12 | [Saint] | as well as the FMS art crash in the sim. |
13:08:46 | copper | I would need to isolate the blank line bug |
13:08:50 | copper | as much as possible |
13:09:04 | copper | because the entire code in the wps is rather complex |
13:09:30 | copper | the code in its entirety I mean |
13:09:42 | copper | with dual conditionals, about font size, and playback status |
13:10:06 | copper | oh and there's the scrolling bug |
13:10:07 | copper | sigh |
13:10:14 | [Saint] | While that certainly couldn't hurt, there's absolutely nothing wrong with lodging a ticket that says "I use this version of Rockbox, and this theme <attached>; and this happens <example>; IO believe <this> to be the cause, or at least influential" |
13:10:36 | [Saint] | s/IO/I/ |
13:11:23 | [Saint] | More data is great, sure, but you don't have to wrack your brains trying to establish the exact cause. |
13:11:35 | copper | I don't want to put off whomever would be motivated enough to look into it |
13:11:40 | [Saint] | Merely provide a repeatable failure case, which IIUC you can do. |
13:12:07 | copper | right now I'm waiting to finalize the themes |
13:12:13 | * | [Saint] nods |
13:12:17 | [Saint] | Sure. I understand that. |
13:12:48 | copper | they SHOULD be finalized, but I often think of something else right after I've uploaded the themes :-/ |
13:13:03 | copper | any time I release anything, actually :P |
13:13:08 | * | [Saint] knows that pain all too well. |
13:13:21 | [Saint] | "...if only I just..." |
13:13:31 | [Saint] | "...maybe I should..." |
13:13:44 | [Saint] | "...it would look better if I..." |
13:13:48 | [Saint] | :) |
13:13:53 | copper | [Saint]: http://outpost.fr/rockbox/Googley-Classic.png |
13:14:37 | copper | about the artwork, I guess I want to encourage users to add it |
13:14:41 | copper | cover art* |
13:14:51 | [Saint] | Yeah, that's fair. |
13:14:54 | copper | and cover art in the fms *should* work, but doesn't |
13:15:18 | copper | I'm totally OK with taking the time to make FM artwork for my local radio stations |
13:15:31 | copper | I just wish it would work |
13:16:26 | copper | if I decided to scrap default artwork when there is none, and use the entire space for metadata, users might not understand that they *can* add artwork, and I wouldn't like the result, visually speaking |
13:16:39 | [Saint] | y'know...you could probably just let the user define the viewport backdrop color and have an infinite amount of variations of the theme. |
13:16:49 | [Saint] | and force it everywhere else. |
13:17:21 | [Saint] | well...s/infinite/16million and something/ |
13:17:46 | * | [Saint] will shut up now as he doesn't want to set copper off on anotyher coding rampage |
13:17:47 | copper | that wouldn't work |
13:17:59 | [Saint] | Why would it not work? |
13:18:30 | [Saint] | Ahhh...backdrop |
13:18:37 | copper | images, text and the border on the top bar are relative to the bar's color |
13:18:48 | copper | they're not shades of gray |
13:18:49 | copper | or white |
13:19:04 | copper | they're shades of gray/white with an alpha channel |
13:19:19 | [Saint] | bums. |
13:19:31 | copper | and it really doesn't look good without that |
13:19:41 | copper | also, I didn't choose the colors at random |
13:19:46 | copper | they're all Google colors |
13:19:53 | [Saint] | Oh, I know. |
13:19:55 | copper | hence the name Googley |
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13:20:12 | [Saint] | I'm actually wondering about the licensing there... |
13:20:21 | [Saint] | But, less I know the better. :) |
13:20:33 | copper | can a color be copyrighted? |
13:20:57 | [Saint] | the FMS art backdrop is quite clearly google-robbed. |
13:21:02 | copper | you could also worry about the Apple-like themes that use actual graphics from Apple :D |
13:21:16 | copper | not the antenna |
13:21:20 | [Saint] | ANy built from mine, don't. |
13:21:35 | [Saint] | And, I removed my Apple-clones for exactly that reason. |
13:21:54 | [Saint] | Even though what I did is perfectly legal, I decided to take them down as it encouraged others. |
13:22:07 | copper | if the background pattern (gray triangles) is a problem, I can change it |
13:22:13 | [Saint] | I painstakingly recreated that art by hand. |
13:22:29 | [Saint] | IFF I just dumped the images, that'd be problematic. |
13:22:56 | [Saint] | One could argue that creating pixel-perfect replicas by hand may also be problematic, but its technically "OK". |
13:23:08 | [Saint] | But messy enough for me to get a conscience about it. |
13:23:19 | copper | that doesn't make sense |
13:23:34 | copper | if you manually re-create copyrighted works, it's still copyright infringement |
13:23:50 | Torne | yeah. if you look at the original and paint a new image to look like it, you've created a derived work |
13:24:01 | [Saint] | copper: ^ |
13:24:12 | [Saint] | "technically OK", but...yeah. |
13:24:19 | Torne | it's not technically okay at all :) |
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13:25:15 | [Saint] | Blargh. I consulted license-experts in here for an age before I put those up. |
13:25:32 | [Saint] | And everyone said that while it was clearly fishy, it was technically fine. |
13:26:01 | Torne | e.g. it's a derived work if you paint a painting based on a photograph |
13:26:08 | [Saint] | Regardless, they're gone now, but I can't take down the umpteen dozen clones it spawned. |
13:26:11 | Torne | even though the painting is far from pixel-perfect :) |
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13:26:57 | Torne | otherwise source code licensing couldn't work. |
13:27:11 | Torne | you can't bypass the GPL by opening the source in one window and typing a new copy in another window ;p |
13:28:32 | [Saint] | Well, TIL: everyone that said it was ok for me to do so apparently had NFI what they were talking about. Yay! |
13:29:05 | Torne | you might be able to do it with a clean-room approach: write a document describing what the ipod interface looks like in descriptive terms (without pictures) and then give that to someone who has never seen the ipod interface to draw |
13:29:21 | Torne | but even that may not be sufficient in a court :) |
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13:29:46 | Torne | that's how people cloned the IBM PC BIOS ;) |
13:30:28 | [Saint] | In the end, I may as well of just dumped the images as I wrote a small script that plotted each pixels located and color. |
13:30:49 | [Saint] | That was how I ended up with such amazingly accurate images. |
13:31:07 | Torne | ..erm, then that's just a very obtuse way to copy their image :) |
13:31:37 | Torne | if what you end upw ith is substantially identical to the original, and you have seen the original, then basically no court will ever believe that's not a derived work no matter what process you used |
13:32:04 | [Saint] | They're clearly different (mine are better :P), but, yeah...there's a lot of similarity there. |
13:32:09 | Torne | if the people who cloned the PC BIOS ended up with 99% of the same actual machine code then they would've ruled that was copyright violation too :) |
13:32:14 | [Saint] | (for obvious reasons described above) |
13:32:40 | [Saint] | The only reason I even went through with this all those years ago is because I was assured I was in the clear legally. |
13:32:44 | Torne | yeah, being a bit different is not a sufficient defense |
13:32:58 | Torne | if you are different enough to the original then your derived work may be entitled to its own copyright |
13:33:09 | Torne | but you still have to have permission from the original copyright holder to have created the derived work in the first place |
13:33:29 | [Saint] | Well...where were you ~3 years ago? :) |
13:33:49 | Torne | whoever told you otherwise clearly doesn't know how any licenses work :p |
13:33:50 | [Saint] | You could've prevented the flood of shitty iPOd clone themes based off my shitty iPod clone theme. :P |
13:34:07 | Torne | if this wasn't how copyright law worked then all open source licenses would be compeltely worthless |
13:34:11 | Torne | :) |
13:34:43 | [Saint] | I would need to trawl my logs, but, it was quite a number of people whom assured me a full recreation even if largely pixel perfect was ok. |
13:35:27 | Torne | it's not exactly unusual for people on the internet to not understand copyright :) |
13:35:29 | [Saint] | I doubt I'll put much effort into that, though. Its gone now. I may have started a horribl;e trend, but at least I'm no longer part of it anymore. :) |
13:35:45 | [Saint] | Torne: but, people *here*? |
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13:37:14 | [Saint] | I don't mean just anyone responded and I took the first answer and ran with it either. :) |
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13:43:29 | [Saint] | also, copper, fwiw, you can copyright color...and yeah, that is shit. |
13:44:09 | [Saint] | example: Cadbury's purple, or (in NZ at least) the yellow from The Yellow Pages phone book. |
13:44:51 | lebellium | is the Rockbox yellow copyrighted ? :D |
13:44:52 | Torne | That's a trademark/trade dress, not a copyright, probably |
13:45:20 | copper | [Saint]: I could do something very spooky: replace default cover art with a picture of me :D |
13:45:24 | copper | COPYRIGHT THAT |
13:45:40 | [Saint] | Replace it with a picture of your wang. |
13:45:42 | Torne | yeah. it's a trade dress mark. nobody else is allowed to use that shade of purple for marketing chocolate. but you can use it for anything else you like. |
13:47:48 | [Saint] | Here, I'm looking at "The Cadbury device (I assume this is the logo?) and the color purple are trademarks of Cadbury Inc. blah blah blah, copyright <half-ripped-date>" |
13:49:01 | Torne | the specific design of that wrapper is copyrighted, yes ;) |
13:49:16 | Torne | in addition to the colour, and several of the logos/marks/devices being trademarked |
13:49:25 | Torne | IP is complicated :) |
13:49:25 | [Saint] | IO read that as "the color purple" is copyrighted. |
13:49:30 | [Saint] | That's very vague. |
13:49:36 | [Saint] | Thanks for clarification. |
13:50:54 | [Saint] | copper: regarding embedding weird shit in themes - its certainly been done before. I'll leave the imagination up to you. |
13:51:15 | [Saint] | My iLike theme for example wore a party hat on the album art on Rockbox's birthday. :) |
13:52:13 | [Saint] | Another version replaced all the text with "smurf" on April 1st (an old Rockbox April Fools joke) |
13:52:29 | [Saint] | Go nuts. Embed weird shit. :) |
13:53:54 | [Saint] | It was rasher that gave me the party hat idea. |
13:57:05 | [Saint] | Who do I need to talk to about getting the least permissions possible that would allow me to nuke spammers on the forums? |
13:57:13 | [Saint] | Zagor perhaps? |
13:57:25 | [Saint] | I seem to be pretty good at spotting the bastards. |
13:57:28 | [Saint] | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,42693.msg220316.html#msg220316 |
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14:03:27 | [Saint] | Anyway, yeah. If I could nuke the occasional spam account I see, that'd be great. I have some degree of experience with SMF administration. |
14:05:54 | pamaury | bertrik: yesterday I was thinking about the stfm1000 again, since I have basic support for it I would like to merge it but there is still an issue: how do we handle the "digital radio part" |
14:06:08 | pamaury | because we get samples but we need to playback them |
14:06:35 | pamaury | it would be better to have digital radio support in rockbox otherwise it will be a massive mess I think |
14:06:56 | pamaury | but radio is already a mess so I don't know what to do |
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16:40:22 | copper | copyright aside, does this work, visually? http://i.imgur.com/VFrTt9y.png |
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16:44:11 | [Saint] | I think so, yes. |
16:44:38 | [Saint] | I would do: |
16:44:41 | [Saint] | Track |
16:44:43 | [Saint] | Album |
16:44:45 | [Saint] | Artist |
16:44:48 | [Saint] | ...though. |
16:45:03 | copper | never mind the metadata |
16:45:06 | copper | my question is, does the photograph look weird relative to the rest of the design |
16:45:26 | [Saint] | aha, fairly, yes. |
16:46:06 | copper | I can't see shit anymore |
16:46:12 | copper | been at this too long |
16:46:25 | copper | you have to admit, it's a beautiful photograph |
16:46:37 | copper | but it kind clashes with the rest, doesn't it |
16:46:40 | [Saint] | I know it makes it more difficult for you, but, I wouldn't (and don't) bother supplying a fallback image. |
16:46:41 | copper | it steals the show |
16:47:22 | [Saint] | And, yes, its very "noisy", compared to the rest of the theme. |
16:47:55 | * | [Saint] hopes that isn't lost in Translation |
16:48:46 | lebellium | what translation? We think and dream in english \o/ |
16:49:29 | lebellium | I would rather put a vinyle or CD pic instead |
16:50:10 | [Saint] | You dream in...? Wow. |
16:50:18 | [Saint] | Even the French hate French. :) |
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16:52:42 | lebellium | or something conceptual |
16:52:49 | lebellium | but not a pic of existing gear |
16:54:09 | copper | I love that picture though |
16:54:15 | copper | meeeeeh |
16:54:19 | copper | fuck it |
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17:07:32 | copper | [Saint]: is this CC license compatible with the Rockbox Themes one? http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en |
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17:11:14 | copper | I'm gonna say yes |
17:13:56 | Torne | copper: that's the exact license we link to for the themesite. |
17:14:03 | Torne | if it's not compatible with itself we have a problem ;) |
17:14:07 | copper | lol |
17:14:12 | copper | I'm very tired |
17:14:25 | copper | I've looked at this thing so much, I could puke |
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17:23:30 | [Saint] | copper: Yep. It is indeed. SO much so, its the same one. |
17:23:51 | [Saint] | Argh. Crap. ...what Torne said. :) |
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18:19:32 | SovonHalder | copper: I couldn't talk toy you about the themes yesterday & I couldn't ever see replies on IRC because of shitty problems on my ISP end. So I wanted t ask you if there is any useful reason you changed 'next' with 'codec/bitrate' ? |
18:19:51 | copper | people think it's more useful / important |
18:20:12 | [Saint] | Really? |
18:20:20 | [Saint] | I'd like to meet those people and smack them. |
18:20:34 | [Saint] | Knowing the next track is far more useful then the codec/bitrate |
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18:20:38 | copper | sigh |
18:20:49 | copper | MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, PEOPLE |
18:21:00 | SovonHalder | 'You create themes for your own purposes. And if people like them, it's a surprise' it was something like that...you said that to me ...didn't you ? |
18:21:04 | [Saint] | Hey, I didn't tell you to change it. ;) |
18:21:18 | copper | there are two other reasons for it |
18:21:19 | [Saint] | SovonHalder: he did, yes. |
18:21:48 | pamaury | seriously who cares about codec/bitrate ? |
18:21:49 | copper | 1) it allows me to display the release date on a line separate from the album title, where it would make the line too long |
18:22:08 | [Saint] | pamaury: "people", apparently |
18:22:20 | copper | 2) I forget what 2) is |
18:22:21 | SovonHalder | you said, iPod classic can show them at once in different lines |
18:22:34 | copper | I removed one line |
18:22:49 | copper | because the screen was too crowded and unbalanced, with 6 lines |
18:22:59 | SovonHalder | who needs to see their bitrate & codec while listening to a song? does it sound better? I don't know really |
18:23:00 | lebellium | codec/bitrate is more important than next song. MP3 VBR V0 powaa |
18:23:05 | [Saint] | My themes only show codec/bitrate in the "no album art" case, and only because I have an extra line available there that looks weird blank. |
18:23:15 | [Saint] | I really don't see it as being genuinely useful information. |
18:23:37 | lebellium | I need SovonHalder |
18:23:43 | copper | lebellium wants codec information because he pirates music from shady sources :P |
18:24:17 | lebellium | lol |
18:24:21 | * | [Saint] would love to know a genuine use case for knowing the codec/bitrate |
18:24:32 | lebellium | really? |
18:24:36 | copper | because he doesn't know wtf he downloads |
18:24:39 | [Saint] | Do you have multiple bitrates/encodings of the same track? :) |
18:24:41 | copper | he just grabs stuff |
18:24:57 | copper | he has a petabyte of shitty MP3s |
18:25:12 | [Saint] | "Awwwwww, shit, this is the 192kbps version, I wanted the 256kbps version...dammit" |
18:25:13 | lebellium | ... |
18:25:19 | [Saint] | <switches tracks> |
18:25:24 | copper | this is driving me nuts |
18:25:26 | SovonHalder | no seriously....people who always plays audiophile quality, I give a rts ass to bitrate or codec...i know all of them are in lossless format ..i don't care about the codec..almost among 2000 songs 1990 songs are in ALAC...5 are in FLAC the rest is in mp3 320 CBR |
18:25:38 | lebellium | I sometimes do kind of ABX tests on my Rockboxed players to compare codecs and bitrate efficiency |
18:25:38 | copper | ^^ |
18:25:40 | copper | that's what I said |
18:25:57 | [Saint] | lebellium: there's far better tools for this |
18:26:12 | * | funman wonders if this would be a topic for #rockbox-community |
18:26:20 | copper | SovonHalder: ok, if I switch the last line to "next track", I will have to display the release date only when pausing |
18:26:20 | jlbiasini | when you have a lot of different codec it can be usefull, for example once I realize The some encoding didn't worked and I had a lot of flac on my player that was taking all the place |
18:26:21 | pixelma | bitrates/encodings of the same track <- I have because of storage restraints and also hwcodec target ;) |
18:26:30 | Torne | if you're ABXing then you need to *not* be able to see the codec/bitrate ;) |
18:26:42 | [Saint] | ^ this |
18:27:11 | jlbiasini | so to check everything is in mpc it can be usefull but you can go to file properties for that I thing |
18:27:13 | [Saint] | pixelma: right, but, do you have them all on the same device? :) |
18:27:19 | SovonHalder | Do you have multiple bitrates/encodings of the same track? HA HA LOL |
18:27:31 | [Saint] | I do, sure. |
18:27:34 | pixelma | [Saint]: usually not |
18:27:35 | [Saint] | But not on the same device. |
18:28:17 | copper | http://outpost.fr/rockbox/Googley-Classic.png |
18:28:35 | [Saint] | I seriously want someone to give me a genuine use case for knowing the codec/bitrate. I'm genuinely curious as to why whoever said its more useful than the next track info thinks this. |
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18:28:50 | copper | ok how about this: I remove the first line, put the tracknumber before the track title, then date / codec on the 4th line and next track on the 5th line |
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18:29:29 | copper | yay? |
18:29:48 | * | [Saint] always thought: "01 - Track Name" was the accepted method |
18:29:57 | SovonHalder | yes |
18:30:03 | SovonHalder | that's what I like |
18:30:13 | SovonHalder | "01 - Track Name" |
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18:30:43 | SovonHalder | what about the total duration then? |
18:30:52 | [Saint] | copper: If its any consolation, I once made the mistake of asking about preferred metadata layouts too :) |
18:31:16 | copper | SovonHalder: you have the remaining time on the bottom right |
18:31:19 | [Saint] | SovonHalder: personally, I don't list it |
18:31:27 | [Saint] | I have elapsed time/time remaining |
18:31:31 | copper | I CAN'T PUT EVERYTHING ON IT |
18:31:36 | gevaerts | Yes you can! |
18:31:40 | gevaerts | Alternating sublines! |
18:31:41 | copper | sfkjskdfjksdjfksjdfkjskjfksd |
18:31:45 | [Saint] | pffffff..just make a 6pt font :) |
18:31:47 | copper | gevaerts: that is horrible |
18:31:48 | SovonHalder | just remove the codec/bitrate |
18:31:53 | SovonHalder | everything is solved |
18:32:00 | copper | people will bitch about it |
18:32:01 | SovonHalder | :D |
18:32:07 | copper | also, THE DATE |
18:32:08 | [Saint] | Until someone cries about missing codec/bitrate |
18:32:08 | SovonHalder | at least you won't |
18:32:18 | gevaerts | copper: which is why you make a theme *you* like and ignore complaints :) |
18:32:25 | [Saint] | ^ this |
18:32:31 | SovonHalder | ^ this |
18:32:54 | SovonHalder | already..what you did, is B-E-A-utiful |
18:33:39 | [Saint] | The general Rockbox philosophy of "If people like it, great, if they don't, fuck 'em" also applies very well to themes. |
18:33:47 | lebellium | indeed |
18:34:05 | SovonHalder | ^ this |
18:34:18 | copper | stop agreeing when you keep disagreeing |
18:34:21 | SovonHalder | I know copper personally likes next more than codec/bitrate |
18:34:31 | SovonHalder | what ? |
18:35:43 | copper | SovonHalder, lebellium, you both disagree with my choices, so stop agreeing THAT IT SHOULD BE MY CHOICE :D |
18:35:50 | SovonHalder | Look...all I can do is to request you. the decision is upto you of course..if you change it, it would be great, and if you don't I'll just have to deal with it |
18:36:13 | [Saint] | (or, learn to make the trivial changes requested) |
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18:36:35 | [Saint] | {most of which equate to substituting one tag with another} |
18:36:48 | lebellium | copper: the thing is that as I told you, I only use my own themes. So even if I find your theme beautiful and even though I find bitrate/codec more important than next song, I won't use your theme. So don't bother with my opinion :) |
18:37:21 | SovonHalder | then stop giving suggestions please |
18:37:42 | [Saint] | The past ~10 mins is a beautiful example of why I pretty much stopped asking people what they wanted and started telling them what they're getting instead. :) |
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18:38:52 | [Saint] | 05ac Apple iPod Recovery |
18:38:59 | [Saint] | errr, whoops. |
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18:39:23 | lebellium | And to troll a bit: iBasso just released a DX50 with a "rockbox-like" WPS which displays bitrate. They're right! :D http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=81 |
18:40:00 | copper | those are for audiophools |
18:40:06 | copper | audiophools are stupid |
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18:40:30 | Torne | man that thing looks ugly and dumb |
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18:40:54 | SovonHalder | copper: apart everything, please just give your personal opinion on which is more important - next track / codec|bitrate. [ignore all these suggestions about who wants what..etc.] |
18:40:57 | * | [Saint] particularly likes the excessively huge buttons |
18:41:04 | [Saint] | where like == hates with a passion |
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18:42:19 | [Saint] | lol: Reference DAP |
18:42:33 | [Saint] | ...what the heck is that supposed to mean? |
18:42:44 | [Saint] | This is supposed to be the basis of all other DAPs? |
18:42:48 | * | [Saint] hopes not. |
18:43:14 | copper | ok no it's ugly |
18:43:25 | jlbiasini | hey while you are at trolling. I'm implementing a new menu entry for all touch devices that would regroup all options related to them (touchpad sensitivity, touchdev_disable_on_hold, all touchscreen related stuff, later disable only touchdev on hold) the troll is about what should be its name: i have Touch controls any other ideas? |
18:44:14 | copper | http://i.imgur.com/8u0xhDn.png |
18:44:15 | jlbiasini | lebellium: I'm sick of all those low cost device :D |
18:44:17 | copper | this is fucking ugly |
18:44:25 | gevaerts | Can we please stay on topic? |
18:45:18 | [Saint] | jlbiasini: shouldn't it explicitely be touch*pad* settings? |
18:45:26 | [Saint] | eeew, *explicitly |
18:45:38 | gevaerts | Today's backlog is basically unreadable for those who want to actually follow rockbox development |
18:45:54 | lebellium | gevaerts: yes but SovonHalder and copper are not on #rockbox-community :) |
18:46:02 | gevaerts | lebellium: I don't care |
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18:46:53 | jlbiasini | [Saint]: no because touchdev settings will be common to all touch devices (touchscreen + touchpad target) |
18:47:09 | Sovon | it's my ISP again....did I miss any answer from copper ? |
18:47:21 | [Saint] | logs in the topic |
18:47:32 | jlbiasini | or do you means it should change name depending on wether its touchpad or touchscreen? |
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18:48:34 | Sovon | sorry...what ? |
18:49:36 | scorche|sh | Sovon: there are logs of this IRC channel that are kept - the link to those logs are in the topic |
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18:51:43 | [Saint] | jlbiasini: what touch-specific settings already exist? |
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18:51:54 | [Saint] | Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. |
18:53:18 | [Saint] | Hmmmm....MRobe and Hifiman's are lacking manuals. |
18:53:24 | [Saint] | (yet have entries) |
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19:07:58 | Sovon | copper: I'm sorry if I'm making conversations unpleasant. I really don't want to. So I won't bother you about if you don't wish to do something but tell me if you will be willing to change that in future ? So that I can keep hanging around ABI thread |
19:08:28 | copper | Sovon: I'm working on making two different profiles within the same theme, like with the Fuze+ theme |
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19:20:42 | copper | ok no, I can't do the profile thing. Yet another Rockbox bug. |
19:20:58 | copper | I'm just gonna comment the alternative code |
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19:22:17 | [Saint] | Please Note: Unreported bugs are exceedingly hard to fix. |
19:23:48 | Sovon | copper: so far from your work, I've become a fan of yours. I was in love with your themes as long as you did those by your own decision which was until until three days ago... I just want to tell you this because I will like what you like−−- DON'T GIVE A SHIT BOUT OTHER'S PRERERENCES, MAKE THEMES HOW YOU LIKE. PLEASE |
19:23:59 | scorche|sh | ..... |
19:24:12 | scorche|sh | Sovon: send a PM with that - it doesnt belong in this channel |
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19:31:40 | Sovon | oh! sorry.. |
19:31:42 | Sovon | okay |
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19:36:18 | jlbiasini | [saint]: touchpad_sensitivity (i'm planning to rename it to touchdev_sensitivity), I think that there is also the setting for whether a touchscreen is absolute point or button |
19:37:08 | * | [Saint] really dislikes touchdev |
19:37:44 | jlbiasini | any better idea? |
19:37:57 | jlbiasini | touchinp? |
19:38:00 | [Saint] | I don't see the need to change it at all. |
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19:38:55 | jlbiasini | the point is to group all setting related to those device (which are going to be the same) |
19:39:51 | [Saint] | Right. But, I don't see why that means it needs to be renamed. |
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19:42:43 | copper | ok I managed to do it anyway |
19:45:15 | jlbiasini | [Saint]: given the number of alternative names that where offered touchdev is still the prefered one! |
19:45:47 | [Saint] | I still have a hard time understanding why it needs to change at all. |
19:45:54 | [Saint] | what's wrong with "touchpad"? |
19:46:32 | jlbiasini | the setting apply to touchpad AND TOUCHSCREEN |
19:46:51 | jlbiasini | *settings |
19:47:12 | copper | This is the default, when "Settings -> Themes -> Status bar" is set to "off": http://i.imgur.com/CcfTrFd.png |
19:47:24 | copper | This is with "status bar" set to "top" or "bottom": http://i.imgur.com/uXBaTHO.png |
19:47:27 | copper | Sovon: ^^ |
19:47:38 | copper | so you don't have to manually edit the themes |
19:48:01 | copper | happy? |
19:48:10 | copper | Don't answer that. |
19:48:26 | [Saint] | jlbiasini: ok, then, so, why not just "touch_*"? |
19:48:52 | * | [Saint] maintains that touchdev is both crap, and meaningless, and will translate poorly/not at all |
19:51:07 | jlbiasini | touchdev isn't to be translate, this is the code (I have nothing againt touch_), the settings menu name would be touch controls |
19:53:22 | [Saint] | Oh, aha. I was mistaken. I thought you were asking for the name of the setting's menu entry. |
19:53:51 | [Saint] | anyhoo, I prefer touch_* |
19:55:43 | jlbiasini | I am, that is why I wrote: "i have Touch controls any other ideas?" |
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20:05:55 | Sovon | copper: aw man |
20:06:01 | Sovon | f a n t a s t i c |
20:06:11 | copper | who's your daddy? |
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20:06:16 | Sovon | where do I get the one ? |
20:06:19 | Sovon | you are :P |
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20:07:14 | gevaerts | Now *please* stay on topic |
20:08:30 | copper | are rockbox themes not on topic? |
20:08:46 | jlbiasini | gevaerts: any ideas? is Touch controls good enough? What about Touch interface? |
20:09:07 | Sovon | please gimme links for the themes |
20:09:59 | copper | not yet |
20:10:06 | copper | I'll let you know |
20:10:24 | Sovon | ok |
20:10:25 | Sovon | sure |
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20:28:03 | scorche|sh | copper: comments such as "who's your daddy?" are most definitely not |
20:29:46 | scorche|sh | so, i am only going to say this once...this channel is for Rockbox development and support - any thing *not* related to Rockbox or "social chat" belongs somewhere else |
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20:30:36 | madcat1990 | O-o? |
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20:37:39 | copper | Sovon: I don't know if you got my PM, since you didn't answer. Just bookmark http://outpost.fr/rockbox/ , the latest version of Googley will always be there. |
20:38:37 | copper | Get the "Classic" version, that's for the iPod Video/Classic ports. The FuzePlus version, obviously is for the Sansa Fuze+. |
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20:48:09 | Sovon | no..I answered |
20:48:15 | Sovon | I thank you again |
20:48:29 | copper | well I didn't get it, probably because your nick is not registered |
20:48:52 | Sovon | I just installed & the toggle between them on status bar off & top/bottom is fantastic |
20:50:10 | Sovon | thank you...I check that thread on ABI 2 or 3 times a day..so I'll hang around..& keep me posted. |
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20:58:22 | lorenzo92 | ok now I decided is time to finally put to head R1 port polishing it as much as possible ;) |
20:58:41 | lebellium | good decision :D |
20:59:04 | lorenzo92 | :D |
20:59:37 | lorenzo92 | I need to think a way of port the safe mode to R1 in an identical way wrt R0 i.e. auto shutdown and cable detection ;) |
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21:00:02 | lorenzo92 | it is basically working I only need to write (perhaps) a C program to detect the cable via GPIO |
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21:02:36 | lebellium | and at some point we'll have to decide which screen orientation! |
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21:04:26 | lorenzo92 | i think that right now it's the best choice, screen is used in a more clever way. to be clear also for the others, now we are portrait while OF uses landscape only (if I'm correct) |
21:04:34 | lorenzo92 | never used OF so far :D |
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21:13:44 | jlbiasini | pamaury: ping? |
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21:37:59 | copper | 2013/08/20 10:58:50 UTC <[Saint]> But in the above, if I remove the blanking, same thing...fat grey line in the middle of the art. |
21:38:05 | copper | btw, did you file a bug for it? |
21:38:16 | copper | bug report |
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21:38:47 | lebellium | lorenzo92: so we're sure for the portrait orientation? pamaury too? I don't want to start a 240x400 theme and then it becomes 400x240 :P |
21:42:30 | jlbiasini | gevaerts: could you test g#569 on your gigabeat-fx, please? |
21:42:33 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #569 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/569 : [touch devices]Disable touch device on softlock/keyhold. by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/69/569/10) |
21:42:54 | gevaerts | jlbiasini: no :) |
21:43:00 | gevaerts | I can try in a gigabeat F |
21:43:09 | gevaerts | There's no such thing as a gigabeat FX :) |
21:43:13 | lebellium | tss |
21:43:17 | jlbiasini | oups |
21:43:45 | jlbiasini | ok so I guess it's f then :) |
21:44:32 | gevaerts | F and X are basically two different models on the outside with the same hardware on the inside |
21:44:38 | jlbiasini | ah yeah f and x are just 2 series |
21:45:26 | jlbiasini | it's funny because fx seems like a cool name for a model |
21:46:54 | gevaerts | What should I look out for? |
21:47:03 | jlbiasini | gevaerts: once you have compile/install it. You can go to WPS and then lock the device. |
21:48:00 | jlbiasini | The touchpad should still cause rockbox to react and display a keylocked message |
21:48:45 | jlbiasini | then go to setting > general setting > touch controls > disable touch on hold > yes |
21:49:21 | jlbiasini | now the hold in wps should ignore touchpad... |
21:50:45 | jlbiasini | I know it does'nt make much sense on the gigabeat but it's just to have a unified way to treat touchpad/touchscreen devices |
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21:53:42 | gevaerts | jlbiasini: with default settings, hold just doesn't work any more. The lock icon appears, but that's it, the thing still fully responds to touches |
21:54:23 | gevaerts | Also regular button presses |
21:54:44 | gevaerts | Hmm |
21:54:50 | jlbiasini | Yeah I just thought about it, actually... :/ |
21:54:55 | gevaerts | And I don't have general setting > touch controls |
21:56:01 | jlbiasini | oh that's strange :( Looks I still have some work then!! Thank you for the test... |
21:56:09 | gevaerts | Have fun :) |
21:58:48 | gevaerts | hmmm |
21:59:22 | gevaerts | jlbiasini: I don't know how these things work, but the X has "real" buttons, not a touchpad |
21:59:46 | gevaerts | Both the F and the X are handled by the same build, so maybe you need to do something clever there |
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22:00:37 | jlbiasini | I don't think so because the whole implementation depend on whether HAVE_TOUCHPAD is defined or not |
22:01:03 | jlbiasini | so on X if it doesn't define touchpad there is just nothing |
22:01:55 | jlbiasini | I know why lock wasn't working |
22:02:00 | jlbiasini | stupid error |
22:04:20 | gevaerts | Well, it's the *same* build, so if it's defined for one, it's defined for the other |
22:05:04 | jlbiasini | I think I saw some quite strange code about that in button_target.h |
22:06:08 | jlbiasini | you are probably true |
22:06:17 | jlbiasini | I will have a look to it |
22:08:16 | wodz | pamaury: did you look at rk27xx hwstub? |
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22:30:29 | jlbiasini | lol gigabeat-fx build has HAVE_TOUCHPAD_SENSITIVITY_SETTING but no HAVE_TOUCHPAD #fail! |
22:31:47 | gevaerts | Well... |
22:31:54 | gevaerts | I don't see HAVE_TOUCHPAD for the mr100 either |
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22:32:58 | jlbiasini | mr100 is a touchpad target? |
22:33:16 | gevaerts | Hmm, well, probably not technically |
22:33:19 | jlbiasini | oho still more work! :S |
22:33:22 | * | gevaerts thinks |
22:33:33 | gevaerts | H10 definitely is though |
22:34:44 | jlbiasini | gevaerts: is there and easy way to check if we are building for f or x? |
22:34:58 | gevaerts | It's the same build! |
22:35:10 | jlbiasini | arf.... |
22:37:58 | jlbiasini | so what does touchpad sensitivity on X? |
22:39:11 | gevaerts | No idea |
22:40:02 | jlbiasini | actually the code itself already has touchpad specific code so I will just add my specific stuff also and define it as HAVE_TOUCHPAD target |
22:40:35 | jlbiasini | HAVE_TOUCHPAD was just a tag till now it does add any special stuff |
22:41:27 | jlbiasini | *doesn't |
22:42:00 | jlbiasini | appart from those settings |
22:42:09 | kugel | lorenzo92: ping |
22:43:42 | jlbiasini | kugel: would you have time to comment push g#518 and g#520? |
22:43:44 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #518 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/518 : [Plugins] Stopwatch PLA integration by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/18/518/3) |
22:43:45 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #520 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/520 : [Plugins] text_editor PLA integration by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/20/520/2) |
22:46:31 | pamaury | wodz: not yet |
22:46:38 | kugel | jlbiasini: please use "xxx: yyy" style instead of "[xxx] yyy" for commit messages |
22:47:21 | jlbiasini | Ah ok I must be anoying people for a while with that:D |
22:51:18 | kugel | :) |
22:51:42 | kugel | jlbiasini: sorry but g#520 seems unecessary |
22:51:43 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #520 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/520 : Plugins: text_editor PLA integration by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/20/520/3) |
22:52:03 | jlbiasini | kugel: ? |
22:52:48 | kugel | text editor is fine as is |
22:54:04 | jlbiasini | on the fuze+ it doesn't work because ACTION_STD_MENU isn't defined |
22:54:14 | jlbiasini | not enough key! |
22:54:19 | wodz | nah, dumping raw nand content to SD is so painfully slow on rk27xx :/ |
22:54:50 | jlbiasini | s/defined/mapped |
22:54:55 | kugel | jlbiasini: that's a problem with the fuze+ then |
22:55:06 | kugel | perhaps pamaury simply forgot about it? |
22:55:39 | jlbiasini | no I did the mapping and there was no possibility to map it otherwise |
22:56:26 | kugel | but how can it be mapped in the text editor? |
22:56:29 | pamaury | yeah defining std menu on the fuze+ is a bit awkward, maybe it could be mapped to bottom left or bottom right |
22:56:30 | jlbiasini | I don't understand how this can be a problem, a plugin shoudn't rely on general mapping, should it? |
22:57:12 | kugel | it depends, if it presents a list widget the core list context is a perfect fit |
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23:00:17 | jlbiasini | ok, then it will stay partly boken on the fuze+, it's not that important... mapping it to bottom left or bottom right would reduce greatly the navigation in list so it's not suitable either |
23:01:29 | kugel | how does the touchpad work on the fuze+? |
23:01:36 | jlbiasini | kugel: making it depend on PLA only for fuze+ could be a turnaround... |
23:01:44 | jlbiasini | 3*3 |
23:02:08 | kugel | similar to touchscreen grid mode? |
23:02:55 | pamaury | with a major difference: it has printed symbols for top left (back) and top right (play pause), so it's confusing to map them to something else |
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23:03:38 | pamaury | we can do anything with it (not just 3x3) but currently we map it as 3x3 with four directional keys, play/pause, back and select + two extra buttons (bottom left and bottom right) |
23:03:52 | pamaury | it has dedicated volume keys too |
23:03:53 | jlbiasini | but left and right had to be mapped to cancel/select for consistency reason |
23:04:05 | kugel | so what's wrong with bottom left or right? |
23:04:13 | kugel | bottom left seems like a good pick |
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23:05:07 | jlbiasini | they are use in list to move big step up and down which on a device with microSD and up to 16GB intern memory is mandatory |
23:05:25 | kugel | huh? |
23:05:40 | kugel | no target has extra buttons for those iirc |
23:06:49 | kugel | for large lists there is list acceleration |
23:07:42 | jlbiasini | ACTION_LISTTREE_PGUP and ACTION_LISTTREE_PGDOWN |
23:08:14 | jlbiasini | a lot of target use them |
23:08:32 | kugel | yes with combos or spare buttons |
23:09:02 | kugel | but they dont compromise main functions such as ACTION_STD_MENU for this |
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23:10:04 | jlbiasini | ACTION_STD_MENU is only needed in one plugin. You don't need it otherwise. Cancel is enough! |
23:10:29 | kugel | it's used in the core |
23:11:21 | jlbiasini | yes but it is equivalent to doing cancel several time and in usual case one or two time tops |
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23:12:08 | kugel | its not exactly the same |
23:12:28 | jlbiasini | ? |
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23:12:39 | kugel | it takes you always back to the main menu, which is an important feature (in my book) and useful for blind people |
23:12:54 | kugel | in the core, that is |
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23:13:27 | kugel | some screens may use it for other purposes |
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23:13:52 | wodz | you should add 'without affecting playback' |
23:14:00 | kugel | right |
23:15:05 | jlbiasini | touchpad make the fuze+ unusable on the fuze+. If we need a menu map we can have it on the upper left part of the touchpad as we have already back on the left key |
23:15:18 | kugel | jlbiasini, pamaury: ACTION_STD_MENU is a primary function, it should be mapped in favor of PGUP/PGDOWN if mapping both is not possible |
23:15:30 | jlbiasini | wodz: cancel from wps doesn't affect playback |
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23:16:26 | kugel | jlbiasini: from WPS both functions are distinct |
23:16:45 | kugel | pressing select, then using left to go to the main menu is different to going to the main menu directly |
23:17:01 | kugel | the first method loses your "current directory" in the file browser |
23:17:57 | jlbiasini | we can map menu on the back arrow and keep back on the left. |
23:18:06 | kugel | I suggest moving PGUP/PGDOWN to a combo with volume up/down instead |
23:18:25 | kugel | jlbiasini: that's also possible although probably confusing to users |
23:19:03 | wodz | is combo possible on touchdev? |
23:19:07 | jlbiasini | no |
23:19:13 | kugel | but other targets have slightly confusing (and vastly different from OF) keymaps too |
23:19:17 | jlbiasini | that's the problem |
23:19:55 | kugel | but you can combine volume up/down and one key on the touchpad no? |
23:20:21 | pamaury | yes, although the physical shape of the device makes it akward in my opinion |
23:20:26 | jlbiasini | yes but as we have volume in list it could be a bit confusing too |
23:20:47 | jlbiasini | I was about to add that pamaury is right |
23:20:53 | pamaury | but I agree that action_std_menu seems quite important |
23:21:18 | pamaury | to be honest jlbiasini did most of the keymap (which works very nicely) so I'm not too aware of that |
23:21:42 | pamaury | Wasn't menu mapped to bottom right at some point ? |
23:22:14 | pamaury | jlbiasini: do you use page up and down in list ? I don't think I do most of the time, but I haven't used my mp3 player a lot recently |
23:22:49 | pamaury | wodz: I'll have a look tomorrow I think, I'm too tired tonight |
23:23:26 | jlbiasini | pamaury: I use it all the time: I have a 40mb library |
23:23:32 | kugel | you can also think about using the play/pause button for it (yes it would not match the icon) |
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23:23:49 | kugel | but a play/pause button is redundant in rockbox |
23:23:57 | pamaury | make sense I would say |
23:24:13 | pamaury | except in WPS maybe |
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23:25:05 | jlbiasini | if it's about not matching the icon it on the back key jdgordon was VERY specific on having left/right for select cancel |
23:25:18 | kugel | hm, not exactly redundant, you could use it to go to the WPS from anywhere (the e200 does this) |
23:26:43 | jlbiasini | again I know perfectly the fuze+ keymaps, the only double key everywhere is cancel that is mapped both to back and left key |
23:26:57 | kugel | jlbiasini: matching the icons is not the highest priority. the vendor designed the buttons for the vendors user interface, that may conflict with rockbox user interface, and we don't adapt to vendor user interface choices just to match some icons |
23:27:31 | jlbiasini | so let's have back for menu. It has a back arrow on it: "click and you get to the main menu" it seems coherent |
23:27:32 | pamaury | jlbiasini: what is mapped to play/pause most of the time ? (ie not in WPS) |
23:28:04 | kugel | pamaury: thinking about it again I wouldnt use the play/pause button |
23:28:07 | jlbiasini | got to wps short |
23:28:14 | jlbiasini | stop playback long |
23:28:38 | pamaury | ok, back for menu is ok, just need to take the habit of using left |
23:29:03 | jlbiasini | we all will ;) |
23:29:14 | kugel | pamaury: the e200 has such a button, and its used in the lists to go always to the "last playing screen" (wps/fms) and play/pause in the wps/fms. this works very well |
23:29:40 | pamaury | yeah I remember that, very handy indeed |
23:29:54 | kugel | back seems like a better idea and has a bit more resemblance to the icon |
23:30:17 | pamaury | jlbiasini: we will need to post to the forum thread and prepare for bug reports ;) |
23:30:45 | kugel | jlbiasini: did you know you can adjust list acceleration to kick in rather quickly? It should be superior to PGUP/PGDOWN for most cases |
23:31:25 | pamaury | the default value is quite low though, it takes ages to kick in |
23:31:49 | jlbiasini | kugel: no I didn't know that, I will try but page is very handy on a bit library |
23:32:01 | jlbiasini | I will try |
23:32:16 | pamaury | jlbiasini: use the database :p (at your own risk) |
23:33:07 | jlbiasini | the database is even bigger |
23:33:58 | pamaury | it is supposed to be well organised |
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23:35:24 | jlbiasini | yes but if you browse by artist or album it bigger |
23:36:57 | jlbiasini | pamaury: an alternative is to set menu on long back and cancel on short back but IIRC it was not very usuable we could make some test |
23:37:46 | pamaury | not sure that's very good, usually you want menu to be quickly accessible I think |
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23:51:26 | Water | Hi all. Anyone familiar with RB LUA scripting? Just wondering if there is a command something like 'rb.copy' (to copy a file)? I've read some stuff, and i'm guessing there is not...? |
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23:54:21 | gevaerts | Water: as far as I know, the available functions are a fairly thin wrapper above what's available in the rockbox core, and the rockbox core doesn't have a file copy function |
23:54:58 | Water | gevaerts: thank you |
23:55:00 | wodz | Water: We generally use POSIXish style so I would be surprised to see something like this in rb lua |
23:55:51 | jlbiasini | gevaerts: could you test g#569 on your gigabeat-fx again, please? It should be ok now! |
23:55:53 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #569 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/569 : [touch devices]Disable touch device on softlock/keyhold. by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/69/569/13) |
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