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#rockbox log for 2013-08-23

00:00:53TheSevenwowaname: yes, because the bootstrap step is unnecessary if you would just want to do an update. that's just a shortcut though, just pretend you would be doing an initial installation.
00:01:39wowanamewait wait i did try to do this. the ipod was off and i tried running the python script
00:01:41webguest97I'll wait til you guys finish what you're currently working through. Thanks for your comments when you get the chance.
00:01:57wowanamelol sorry for my trouble webguest97
00:02:58TheSevenwebguest97: just wait for someone who knows the sansas better to respond. we're used to mixing discussions here. from what I know, you should always be able to boot the original firmware of a sansa, but then again I've never used one.
00:03:32TheSevenwowaname: so what happened?
00:03:39wowanamethe script failed
00:03:45wowanamelemme replicate the error for you
00:06:18wowanamei have a shitty xterm so i have to upload a screencap
00:08:08TheSevenare you sure that the ipod is in DFU mode?
00:08:45wowanamei don't even think it's detected
00:08:49wowanameit's off
00:08:52wowanamethat's all i know
00:08:57TheSevenconnect usb, power up the ipod. press and hold menu+select for about 12 seconds. the screen should go (and stay) dark. then retry running the tool.
00:09:16wowanameoh it has to be connected while shutting down
00:09:28TheSevenyou aren't supposed to shut it down
00:09:39TheSevenDFU mode is basically a firmware recovery mode
00:10:16TheSevenwhile the ipod might seem off because the display isn't powered up, the processor is running some recovery code that waits for USB commands
00:10:22wowanamehold on
00:10:40pamauryweird, is there any incompatibility between softlock and touchscreen ?
00:11:26wowanamei think it was doing something since it took longer for it to respond to menu+select
00:11:28wowanamelemme try again
00:12:01wowanameit works
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00:14:24wowanamei'll still have to use the fallback for usb
00:14:41TheSevenyes, but did umsboot mount properly?
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00:15:17TheSevenok, so this means that your rockbox usb problem might most likely be fixable by porting UMSboot's USB driver to rockbox
00:15:41TheSevenit also means that UMSboot's new USB driver actually fixed something and wasn't just wasted effort :)
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00:30:52fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision fbc4ef7, 217 builds, 20 clients.
00:36:43fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Build round completed after 352 seconds.
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00:48:44wowanameIllegal language file? the fuck
00:48:48wowanamerunning rockbox ui
00:57:21pamaurywodz (logs): I had a look at hwstub for rk27xx: there is an issue with crt0.S: if I disable everything (mmu disable and remap) then it at least goes to main, otherwise it doesn't
00:57:33pamaurythen I get some descriptor read errors that I need to track down
00:59:14wowanameoh i see it's like real fucking dim
01:00:39wowaname>low battery for a ui
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01:02:49wowanameOk can someone tell me why the battery decreases on a simulator?
01:03:11wowanamei mean i can guess
01:03:19wowanamebut can't it just feed a fake 100% or something
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01:05:14scorche|shwowaname: well, it is a simulator that is often used to test themes - so, it is intended to go through the different phases for testing
01:06:13wowanamebut it shuts down after it hits a low percentage
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01:08:09wowanameoh there it stayed
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02:57:01[Saint]copper: my Arch comments were totally unrelated to Borg^Queen's rants, sorry.
03:01:56wowanameis it safe to upload a theme with the CC BY-NC-SA licence
03:05:47wowanameRockbox has the policy that all contributors are credited by their real name. This includes any code or manual change committed to Gerrit for review, any contribution to the documention in the Rockbox wiki, and any themes uploaded to the official theme site.
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08:55:26webguest363can't i use command in this place?
08:56:51copper[Saint]: ah, ok
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10:15:56pamauryjlbiasini: ping
10:16:02wodzpamaury: how do you run hwstub on rk27xx?
10:16:35jlbiasinipamaury: pong
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10:17:23pamaurycd utils/hwstub/stub/rk27xx; make; arm-elf-eabi-objcopy build/rk27xx.elf -O binary build/rk27xx.bin; <bla>/rk27load -e1 -e2 -s1 <bla>/stage1/stage1.bin -s2<bla>/stage2/stage2.bin -s3 build/hwstub.bin
10:17:32pamauryjlbiasini: did you see the comments on gerrit ?
10:17:52jlbiasiniyes all corrected and ready to push
10:18:21jlbiasini+ g#571
10:18:25fs-bluebotGerrit review #571 at : fuze+/keymaps: Implement the ACTION_STD_MENU by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/71/571/1)
10:18:57pamaurywodz: by the way, we should probably produce the binary file with the makefile
10:18:57jlbiasinithanks to you and geaverts for the review
10:19:30wodzpamaury: ah so you upload it through rkdfu mode. I made rkw and roloed such crafted binary. arm-elf-eabi-objcopy -O binary hwstub.elf hwstub.bin; scramble -rkw -modelnum=73 hwstub.bin hwstub.rkw
10:20:04wodzpamaury: this will run hwstub in much different hw state which may partially explain the difference
10:20:08pamauryok, it should make much of different, except that for some reason the crt0.S fails me
10:20:36wodzpamaury: pretty interesting will check this
10:21:15wodzpamaury: yeah outputing binary will be one manual step less :-)
10:22:05TransmogrifoxGerrit review #598 for anybody interested
10:22:07fs-bluebotGerrit review #598 at : modified: lib/rbcodec/dsp/compressor.c by R Billing (changes/98/598/1)
10:23:05wodzTransmogrifox: commit message isn't very descriptive
10:23:07TransmogrifoxI added a hard-coded compressor attack time and made compressor attack and release both exponential
10:23:27TransmogrifoxI apologize wodz
10:23:38Transmogrifoxperhaps I will ammend
10:23:38wodzTransmogrifox: and lots of white space errors introduced
10:24:20TransmogrifoxAm I inserting tabs, or just plain bad formatting job?
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10:26:01wodzTransmogrifox: open gerrit task and look for reds in diff view
10:27:33wodzTransmogrifox: As for 'serious functional review' ping JhMikeS, saratoga or n1s
10:29:48TransmogrifoxI see now. What a great tool −− gerrit
10:32:58jlbiasinipamaury: once touchpad ans touchscreen are pushed, have a look here g#597
10:33:01fs-bluebotGerrit review #597 at : touchdev/softlock/settings: disable only touch on softlock by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/97/597/3)
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10:36:18wodzTransmogrifox: add Michael Sevakis as a rewiever in gerrit task. This way he will be emailed about changes which greatly increase the chance of more deep look into your change.
10:37:07jlbiasinipamaury: with those 3 commit I'm going to be a rockstar on the fuze+ thread! :D
10:37:25pamauryI don't quite understand what does g#597 does
10:37:28fs-bluebotGerrit review #597 at : touchdev/softlock/settings: disable only touch on softlock by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/97/597/3)
10:38:00jlbiasiniit disable the touchdev on softlock
10:38:16jlbiasinileaving the physical key unlocked
10:38:39jlbiasiniie lock only touchdev
10:39:04jlbiasiniplus all the setting part to set this option or not
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10:42:19jlbiasinipamaury: I tested it on the f+ it works, you could test it on your touchscreen target
10:43:36wodzpamaury: Can be you new gui tool used for regmap creation?
10:46:48TransmogrifoxNow let's see if I didn't make a hash of that last update.
10:47:14Transmogrifoxwodz, thanks for the tip to add Michael Sevakis −− I will do that
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10:51:17wodzTransmogrifox: Usual format for commit message is one descriptive short line in form 'subsystem: description' followed by blank line followed by more verbose description if needed. Look at git log for more examples.
10:51:21jlbiasinipamaury: I saw you reverted the SD, it was really stable on my device
10:52:04pamauryyeah but someone said it freezes the device so let's not make people unhappy, especially if they shout on the forum
10:52:19jlbiasiniah ok
10:53:44wodzTransmogrifox: And two witespace errors are still there :-)
10:54:17TransmogrifoxI have some things to learn ;)
10:55:21TransmogrifoxI was just excited the DSP actually worked for me −− it's my first time doing DSP with fixed point. Floating point hardware makes some of this stuff so easy.
10:55:48wodzTransmogrifox: also don't add this modified: /blah/blah in commit message
10:56:31TransmogrifoxPoint taken −− I bring that habit from a different open source project where it was desired
10:59:35wodzTransmogrifox: oh and you screwed up things when ameneding the commit. If you change this Change-id: <hash> line in commit message gerrit will treat it as a new task. To upload updated version you must make sure the Change-id line is intact.
11:00:16wodznow you have two nearly the same tasks opened
11:01:06Transmogrifoxugg :( did it again, too late
11:01:41wodzWe also insist on providing full real name. Gerrit account has your full name but git author is abbrev.
11:02:14TransmogrifoxThat is how I will learn. Nothing like a little embarrassment to get things moving in the right direction
11:02:25TransmogrifoxI'll change the name, thanks
11:03:57Transmogrifoxwodz - Thanks for taking some time to give me the trouble :)
11:04:17wodzTransmogrifox: looking at the diff I can't see the change actually other than missing FRACMUL_SHL(release_gain, rlscb, 7) line
11:04:30wodzare you sure you uploaded from the right branch?
11:05:46wodzYeah. The first version had the actual change which get lost in amendment
11:05:51jlbiasinipamaury: I will probably not being active for a week or more... So if there is still some problem with all those commit it would be nice if I would know it today so that I could try to correct stuff before I left tomorrow
11:06:29TransmogrifoxI'm looking to make sure it's the same as what I see in my editor
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11:21:11lebelliumwhy do the sandbox patches display publicy? Gerrit looks like spammed now :S
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11:44:57Zagorthere's only a dozen of them
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13:39:01[Saint]Would anyone have a strong objection to me changing the album art preferential ordering?
13:39:30[Saint]I reason that if someone has file based art present that they absolutely do not want embedded art to display.
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13:40:17[Saint]And with some users I imagine that embedded art is there purely by accident.
13:43:48lebelliumwhat's the current ordering? I never see the difference since I always have both embedded art and folder.jpg and it's the same JPG
13:44:18[Saint]the current order favors embedded art.
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13:45:59lebelliumfile based art may be there by accident too. You download an album and there is already a folder.jpg or cover.jpg
13:46:55[Saint]My use case for embedded art (like others, I assume?) is high resolution embedded art for desktop media players and smaller, generated to suit the target device resolution, file based art for use on a DAP.
13:47:19[Saint]But the current preferential ordering of album art makes that impossible.
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13:47:57lebelliumyou mean you have 2 different embedded arts in each file?
13:48:53[Saint]No, one high quality embedded image, and a single "cover.jpg" that matches the smallest unit of the device resolution.
13:49:10lebelliumthat's quite smart
13:49:16[Saint]So, for my iPod CLassic (240X320) I have 240x240 cover.jpg
13:49:17lebelliumI've never thought about doing that
13:50:17lebelliumthe problem is that many players (OF) only support embedded album arts and not cover/folder.jog
13:50:17[Saint]since 240x240 is the largest the device can possibly display without cropping, etc.
13:51:11[Saint]I might bring up changing the order of preference on the mailing list.
13:51:22lebelliumI'm not sure about Cowon/Sansa/Sony but for example no Samsung DAP supports cover/folder.jpg
13:51:47[Saint]I figure if you have any form of file based art, you probably don't want embedded art to display even if it is present.
13:52:00[Saint]but we'll see how the discussion goes.
13:52:13[Saint]I'll write the mail this morning.
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13:55:25lebelliumwould be good to know about common usage. I thought that was I do (put the same 500x500 album art in tags and in folder.jpg) is usual. But reading you, it seems that I'm wrong^^
13:55:44lebelliumwhat I do*
13:56:28[Saint]I'm not sure what "right" is, but I thought that generating device-specific file based art was common.
13:56:43[Saint]Maybe it isn't. It would be good to know the common use case.
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14:35:14copper[Saint]: we discussed that a while ago
14:35:56[Saint]I need to take it to the ML to give everyone a chance to bring up their opinions and use cases.
14:36:03copperI posited that users might have a .jpg file in their folder as "default" art when there is no embedded art, but they might have embedded artwork for some tracks, like singles
14:36:26copperit should be a preference setting somewhere
14:36:56copperlots of desktop music playback software do that too
14:38:28copperQuod Libet has a "Prefer embedded art" checkbox and a "force image filename:" text field
14:42:20copperthere's just no way of knowing for sure what people want, and you will necessarily piss of some of them no matter what you choose, unless you give the user the option to choose themselves
14:44:08copperand I think that adding a setting is cheap
14:44:15copper(and effective)
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14:45:35copper[Saint]: also, your use case of embedding high res artwork and using smaller .jpg files in the directory sounds kinda backwards
14:45:57copperyou're duplicating the larger art instead of the smaller art
14:52:58[Saint]right, but this is so I can just plug my DAP into pretty much anything that supports embedded art and have high quality art on-the-go.
14:54:18lebelliumCould this preferential ordering become a user setting?
14:54:33[Saint]It _could_, yes.
14:55:31copperIt _should_!
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17:34:51*n1s wonders what to do with g#496 it's been sitting in gerrit for several weeks and it seems noone is interested/comfortable with reviewing it. It works and i'd really like to get it in before merging updated opus
17:35:48n1sis Zagor really the only one around here that understands the make system, also he's not around much
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17:59:13derfn1s: I know nothing about the make system, but I can volunteer to review it, for whatever that's worth.
17:59:52n1smore eyes won't hurt, it's here
18:00:19n1sit's the change needed to avoid renaming the libopus config.h
18:02:15derfRight, I understand.
18:02:26derfI'll try to look later today. If not, this weekend.
18:10:42funmann1s: CODECLDFLAGS += -Wl,−−gc-sections -Wl,-Map,$(CODECDIR)/$*.map ?
18:10:47funmanin codecs.make
18:11:26funmanah i see it's just a copy paste
18:11:35funmanlooks good to me
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18:44:31madcat1990So, my Clip+ is frozen on the Rockbox USB screen, any tips on how to reset it?
18:48:32gevaertshold the power switch for at least 30 seconds
18:49:41madcat1990But−−but−− you said... in the other channel... God damn it gevaerts
18:51:17*gevaerts doesn't understand the complaint
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19:07:10copperany news regarding g#483? (radio art in the fms)
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20:15:47SrRavenSo,anyone here a DIY guy when it comes to music hardware ? I just need to figure out how to repair my headphone cables the most efficient way
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21:18:08LeoNerdHi all - not strictly a Rockbox question, but... I have an iRiver H140, and the remote buttons are getting a bit unreliable. I know it's just a voltage-divider chain, so I suspect the contacts may just need cleaning. I thought therefore I'd try opening up the remote to take a look
21:18:25LeoNerdAnyone ever managed to do that? I've taken out the one (tiny) screw I can find in it but it still won't budge
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22:13:55bertrikLeoNerd: having problems with volume spontaneously going up perhaps?
22:17:18wowanamei have a couple db problems
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23:33:23LeoNerdNot spontaneous volume change, no.. it's more that the volume buttons are misread as other buttons and upset the UI
23:33:40LeoNerdIt's an easy workaround; I just use the menu and go the long way around. But it would be nice to fix it
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