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#rockbox log for 2013-09-09

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03:38:32wowanamejesus christ my ipod is being really derpy
03:39:06wowanameok i shut it down safely finally
03:40:03wowanamedb updating was being slow
03:40:09wowanameand making the whole thing unresponsive
03:41:33wowanameoh how lovely. i/o errors again
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10:24:33webguest095Hi guys
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10:26:20webguest095I run system known as rigaud-dannya. I upgraded to Debian Wheezy a few days ago, and managed to remove teh SDL dev. library in the process. So rigaud-dannya has been temporarily blocked as a RB build client.
10:26:40*gevaerts nods
10:26:51gevaertsI did the blocking, yes :)
10:27:01webguest095I have re-installed libsdl1.2-dev, so it should be good to go again.
10:28:04gevaertsOK, I unblocked it again. Thanks for looking into it :)
10:28:18gevaertsAnd thanks for providing a build machine
10:28:54webguest095No problem. I'm away for a couple of weeks from tomorrow, so if there are any remaining problems I won't be able to fix them for a while.
10:30:29webguest095The build machine is my way of giving soemthing back to the project, I've been using RB on my MP3 players for 7 years, and I can't get over just how good it is.
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11:07:58lebelliumkugel: I managed to fix the progress bar issue in cabbiev2 240x400, using the code from cabbiev2 240x320 but there is still a major issue: the featured progress bar's height is different from the progress bar background
11:08:20lebelliumI don't know who is responsible for this version. [Saint] or you?
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12:19:23lebelliumpixelma: would you have time to make the SVG pic for YP-R1? It'll get into the three soon :)
12:21:18lebelliumperfectdrug made it for YP-R0 but I never see him here, not sure he's still around?
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12:31:24lebelliumhey [Saint], can you read logs please :)
12:31:49lebelliumabout 1hr ago
12:34:32[Saint]....yes, what?
12:34:42[Saint]I have no idea who did the 240x400 port.
12:34:56[Saint]I don't believe it was me.
12:35:02lebelliumI don't believe either
12:35:05lebelliumit's quite dirty :D
12:35:29lebelliumvery different from the 240x320 port
12:37:16[Saint]Ah, yes. I wouldn't bother going too far fixing needs to be "viewportified".
12:38:17[Saint]all the images are statically aligned to a single viewport, iirc. Its really messy.
12:38:59[Saint]...well, I mean, ...not that every image *needs* its own viewport, but, its just so much nicer to do it this way IMO.
12:39:02lebelliumyes but that wouldn't be enough. The progress bar is 13pixels high while the progress bar background is 11 pixels high or something like that
12:39:35[Saint]I don't think I bothered with this first time around as its not a stable port, iirc.
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12:40:07[Saint]when I viewportified a few cabies back in the day, I only did the stable targets I think.
12:40:16[Saint]only the stable color targets, too.
12:40:31*[Saint] likes the word "viewportified".
12:40:56[Saint]I seem to recall the 240x400 cabbie being a very rough proof of concept.
12:42:03[Saint]I really, really, REALLY need more hours in my day. I have umpteen dozen half-baked projects and a ToDo list a mile long.
12:42:13lebelliumwell, Onda VXxxx are mentionned in Unusable ports but the YP-R1 port will be "unstable" quite soon like the YP-R0 :)
12:42:25[Saint]Ah, I see.
12:43:53[Saint]I need to finish the set of templates I was working on.
12:44:22[Saint]The problem is, I'm really not terribly great with image software - I'm not really much of an artist.
12:44:55[Saint]I need some nice scalable vector image masters to work from.
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12:45:45[Saint]Ideally, I want the underlying .(r)wps/.(r)sbs/.(r)fms to all have the same (or similar) underlying code.
12:45:51lebelliumI'm making my own 240x400 theme ( but it's quite disturbing to see cabbiev2 with a missing progress bar on my YP-R1. What do you think of a quick temporary fix (viewport for progress bar + reworked progress bar pic) before reworking the whole day
12:46:46[Saint]Oh, sure, I'm not against a band-aid fix here until something better is in place.
12:47:26[Saint]Even if its my last gift to Rockbox, I really want to clean up the default theme.
12:47:42[Saint]cabbiev2 has served us well, but, its time (IMO) for a facelift.
12:48:01lebelliumI replaced "%pb(22,284,199,13,pb-240x320x16.bmp)" by "%V(22,284,199,13,-)%pb(0,0,-,13,pb-240x320x16.bmp)"
12:48:16[Saint]I have been saying this for years, unfortunately - I have more ideas and good intentions than I do time.
12:48:38[Saint]I am feeling that more and more of us are suffering from this lately.
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13:13:29wodzHmm, I guess 240x400 was hacked by me for the purpose of rk27xx generic dap. I think I did this based on 240x320 and only slightly tweaked params
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13:20:20copperlebellium: I find it very difficult to design a portrait mode theme with full screen artwork - too little real estate to work with
13:21:02[Saint]Depends entirely on the screen dimensions.
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13:21:04copperand, full screen artwork means you can't play with the contrast that a white background provides
13:21:10[Saint]vague statement is vague.
13:21:53lebellium[Saint]: I reworked the progress bar (8px high instead of 13) and edited the WPS code adequally but the progress bar stops at 60% for an unknown reason. Could you please look at it and if you can fix the issue, commit it? Thank you
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13:28:27[Saint]Fuck thats ugly.
13:28:45[Saint]positioned at 22px, 199 wide, on a 240 wide screen?
13:29:00[Saint]hwy not 20, 200, 20? :-S
13:31:16lebelliumyeah I know, everything should be reworked here but as I know you or I won't do it soon, we should just fix the progress bar issue and don't look at the other ugly things :D
13:32:20lebelliumPS: the progress bar is 199x13 on Cabbiev2 240x320
13:32:26[Saint]millions of "%?C<|>" everywhere too.
13:32:50[Saint]...blank lines are too hard I guess. :)
13:33:08[Saint]This seems like it was crafted from a very old theme.
13:34:08lebelliumthe code is one of the ugliest I've seen but I don't want to spend time on it, I just want the progress bar to display. But if you think blank lines are the reason, then it's like reworking the whole code :S
13:34:13wodzYou know guys, I asked long time ago for assistance and noone rised hand. I hacked something based on the code from the HEAD of THAT time. If you see it ugly feel free to fix
13:34:51[Saint]Its not a personal insult man. Lighten up.
13:35:22[Saint]Obviously if you c/p from ugly code, you'll get ugly code. No ones saying you're responsible.
13:37:19wodzI dont' feel insulted I just don't like babble about ugly code without any supporting action.
13:38:05[Saint]Well...I guess I'll just stop now then and leave it.
13:39:08[Saint]I fail to see how two people taking an interest and trying to do something about an issue isn't "supporting"...but, if you'd rather it stayed as it was...
13:39:48*AlexP_ is with wodz here
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13:40:34AlexP_Just saying that's crap doesn't help, and is a bit rude
13:40:35[Saint]So, during the course of trying to fix these issues, I need to refrain from stating exactly how bad it is?
13:40:42AlexP_tact people :)
13:40:56[Saint]My point is I'm NOT just saying its crap. ANd neither is lebellium .
13:41:11[Saint]We're both actually trying to do something about it, but the attitude doesn't make it very easy.
13:41:26AlexP_as long as you realise that
13:42:14pamaurybluebrother^: ping
13:43:06AlexP_things like "uggggh fuck that's ugly" are not a nice way of approaching it.
13:43:30AlexP_they are bound to make people defensive
13:43:36lebelliumI didn't know wodz ported this theme, I didn't know he asked for help at the time, I just know the code is ugly (did not blame him personnaly) and just want this progress bar to fix. The theme looks quite good visually even though the code doesn't ;)
13:43:43[Saint]I'm not a very nice person.
13:43:49lebelliumto be fixed*
13:43:53AlexP_that's no excuse
13:43:54[Saint]...if people haven't realized this yet... ;)
13:44:02AlexP_people skills aren't hard
13:44:12AlexP_you just need to think first
13:44:38[Saint]I don't adjust my words based on how other people might think of it, as I simply don;t often care. People will get bent out of shape no matter how I word anything most times.
13:44:52AlexP_that says quite a lot about you
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13:45:36AlexP_but anyway, pointless conversation
13:45:45*AlexP_ shuts up
13:46:53lebelliumYes, I'm sorry if I/we offended anyone. I can't do much more about that. Now I'd just like to discuss how we can improve it with a quick fix :)
13:47:30lebelliummuch more than that*
13:47:31lorenzo92lebellium: +1 :)
13:47:32[Saint]There's no need to apologize for saying things that are clearly true.
13:48:05[Saint]I can't immediately see why the bar is causing an issue here.
13:48:18lorenzo92lebellium: in any case I try to speedup my work to see if this problem arises also in latest builds
13:48:34[Saint]I'm on my phone though, I'll have a look at it in a sim when I can.
13:48:38copperAlexP_: typical of IRC people, really
13:48:57copperwhat target are you guys talking about, anyway?
13:49:57[Saint]Due to the ways various people parse English its basically impossible to not offend anyone, when you're me at least, so I gave up trying. Its not necessarily "IRC people" its "people with incredibly bad social skills".
13:50:03[Saint]WHich is...well, a lot of us.
13:50:06[Saint]And definitely me.
13:50:35copperwhich is… a lot of IRC people :P
13:50:53[Saint]A lot of the time we get into arguments over saying EXACTLY the same thing, its hilarious...but, not at the time.
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13:58:41[Saint]lebellium: does it work as expected if you remove the containing viewport you added?
13:59:13lebelliumyou mean %pb(0,0,199,8,pb-240x320x16.bmp) without %V(22,286,199,8,-)
13:59:50[Saint]well, %pb(22,286,199,8,pb-240x320x16.bmp), without the containing viewport, yes.
14:00:17[Saint]my guess looking at it at the moment is overlapping viewports making weird shit happen.
14:00:50lebelliumno, it doesn't work, like that it's like it was originally
14:01:13lebelliumwithout a viewport it doesn't display at all
14:02:01lebelliumI found out something
14:02:19[Saint]Hmmm. There's no simple way to do this without a rather large cleanup.
14:02:26[Saint]The (almost) fullscreen metadata viewport is going to mess up any other viewports.
14:02:53[Saint]it _should_ work, though.
14:02:54lebelliumIf I put %pb(22,286,199,8,pb-240x320x16.bmp) without containing viewport AND before l(55,50,130,130,c,c), it works
14:03:08lebelliumbut the bar still stops at around 60%
14:04:32*[Saint] nods
14:05:18[Saint]I'm having a hard time visualizing it presently, as I'm working off a picture in my head and the text on my phone, but its almost certainly some draw order/overlapping viewport issue.
14:05:51lebelliumyes, that's what I believe too but I can't find the responsible viewport
14:06:16lebelliumYou're better than me at that so I let you find it once you're on your PC :)
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14:08:55lebellium[Saint]: here is a pic so that you can see where the bar stops:
14:08:59fs-bluebotGerrit review #90 at : stats's plugin PLA integration (main code + manual) by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/90/90/6)
14:09:00fs-bluebotGerrit review #90 at : stats's plugin PLA integration (main code + manual) by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/90/90/6)
14:09:15[Saint]hahahaha, cute.
14:09:32*[Saint] prods bluebrother^
14:10:04[Saint]lebellium helpfully found another case that makes fs-bluebot slightly confuzzled. :)
14:11:03lorenzo92haha well spotted ^^
14:11:20[Saint]lebellium: looking at what we have to play with, it may be better to work form the existing 240x320 port and add expand it 80px vertically in a few areas and add touch areas to it.
14:11:35[Saint]its a better starting point, IMO.
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14:12:24[Saint]Anyway, its past midnight here and I'm being given stern looks by Ms [Saint] so I'll look at this when I get home or tomorrow afternoon.
14:12:47[Saint]I think the 240x320 non-touch port is a good starting point for a new 240x400 touch theme.
14:14:23lebelliumI think so
14:14:33lebelliumbut that'll take more time than a quick dirty fix
14:14:35lebelliumas you want :)
14:16:13[Saint]It'll take about the same amount of time to create a touch port from the non-touch theme as it would to viewportify and fix the draw order of the current one.
14:16:18[Saint]Possibly even less.
14:17:05[Saint]Basically all I need to do is expand the spacing to accomodate another 80px vertically, add touch areas, and find a place to stick the touchscreen overflow menu in.
14:24:21wodzHeh, its 240x400 while rk27xx generic uses 400x240 so this is not the one I hacked. This doesn't change my general position in the discussion however
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14:44:24lebelliumMaurus Cuelenaer originally ported cabbiev2 to 240x400. I don't know who he is though. Still this real name policy... \o/
14:46:25gevaertslebellium: you may not know who he is, but many people do :)
14:46:44lebelliumwhat's his nickname?
14:47:16gevaertsHe hasn't been active for a while now
14:47:31gevaertsHe worked on the zvm and onda ports
14:47:40gevaerts(hence the need for touchscreen stuff)
14:48:38lebelliumYes, I see, last commit in 2011
14:50:08lebelliumthat's a pity although all his work the Onda are still considered as "unsusable"
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14:59:41copper[Saint]: is that supposed to display something?
14:59:51copperI see a 1x1 pixel gif
15:00:50[Saint]Oh, well...that sucks. I get "the right thing". Hmmm.
15:01:04lebelliumwhy are there other themes than cabbiev2 in the three? are they used officially in any target?
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15:01:41[Saint]What other themes?
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15:02:48[Saint]Ahhhh, that's an ancient split.
15:03:08[Saint]That was from when the non-cabbie themes were split out of the current source.
15:03:21[Saint](and put onto the theme site)
15:04:02lebelliumah ok
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15:05:11[Saint]You must've had to go back a fair way to dig those up.
15:05:56lebelliumNot sure what i'm really doing, just browing the tree :D
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15:06:36lebelliumoh indeed
15:06:43lebelliumI did not notice it was not the current tree
15:08:54lebelliumwodz:;a=blob;f=wps/cabbiev2.400x240x16.wps;h=54a2cb0370ce5c2a42f3098f41509669569b9979;hb=HEAD looks good :)
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15:16:19[Saint]Ohhhh...look what you did.
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15:54:50lebelliumPamaury: what's the screen resolution of E360/E370?
16:01:26lebelliumoh looks like 240x320
16:01:38lebelliumgreat, we already have themes for that :)
16:08:32pamauryE370 is 128x160 and E360 is 240x320
16:08:50pamaury(if you don't see the logic here, I don't either)
16:08:57lebellium(I was about to say it...)
16:09:21lebelliumI'll buy the E363 on leboncoin then
16:09:33lebelliumI want to see the 1st non-Android Rockboxed Sony :D
16:10:28pamauryThe E360 is clearly better than the E370: better polished, better screen, has volume keys and hold button
16:11:00lebelliumthat makes no sense :D
16:12:56pamauryyeah ^^
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16:14:29lebellium"so any install method would have to extract it from the device using custom SCSI commands" > is that risky for me?
16:14:57pamauryno, not risky at all
16:15:10pamauryit's trivial with linux and command line (with our tools)
16:15:31pamaurybut adding this RbUtil is not trivial: it means having a portable SCSI library, a real mess
16:15:45pamauryand you can always recover anyway
16:15:57copperI can't find the Sony E370 MP3 player anywhere
16:16:05coppernot even a spec page
16:16:17lebelliumType NWZ-E373 instead
16:16:18pamaurycopper: search for E373
16:16:23pamauryE370 is the series name
16:16:44lebelliumThe last letter is for the memory capacity
16:16:49pamaurythe last digit is for the storage size: 373 is 4G, 374 is 8G and 375 us 16G, something like this
16:17:10pamaurycrappy marketing labelling
16:17:24lebelliumbut as there is no logic with Sony, on some models 4=8GB while on others 5=8GB
16:17:26copperugh, what's the difference?
16:18:08copperthe pictures are the same
16:18:13copperthe pictures of the MP3 players
16:18:28pamaurycopper: between the 37x ? None except storage
16:18:38copperno between 373 and 360
16:19:30pamauryscreen and keys
16:19:46pamauryE360 has volume keys, hold button, 240x320 screen
16:19:56pamauryE370 has no volume keys, no hold button and 128x160 screen
16:20:01copperthe photos are exactly the same
16:20:29lebelliumyou have 2x E360 here copper
16:22:15lebelliumI bet the pricing is the same
16:22:22lebelliumit was just to increase margins...
16:22:39copperthey kinda look cool
16:23:05lebellium4GB is clearly not enough without SD slot, but for Rockbox testing it's enough :)
16:23:36copperer, no sd slot? meh.
16:24:26lebelliumyes, Sony doesn't know what a SD slot is
16:25:02copper50 bucks on leboncoin, sounds expensive
16:25:15lebelliumI hope getting mine for 25€
16:25:21lebelliumdon't take it :)
16:25:48copper30 bucks for the 364
16:26:20copper8 gig
16:27:11lebelliumtoo late, I said yes for E363 :)
16:27:38copperugh, didn't you search?
16:28:12lebelliumI only browse recent ads, July 31 is too old :)
16:28:57pamauryit's better to look at the old ones too, sometimes you can be lucky
16:29:31copperdon't they delete the ad whenever they sell the item?
16:29:43lebelliumsome people forget it
16:32:28lebelliumand to be honest, so many people write "vends mp4 sony" that I didn't even think that somebody would write the exact model in the title...
16:33:28lebelliummy mistake, now take your chanc
16:33:30copperso, who is it for? Did someone volunteer to port Rockbox to it?
16:33:58lebelliumlook at the RB homepage copper...
16:35:03pamauryI am porting RB to these players
16:35:41pamauryI also want to handle the other nwz players, they are linux based
16:35:54pamaurymore work though
16:36:20copperhmmm, are themes that were uploaded for one target, automatically listed for other targets with the same screen resolution?
16:36:55lebelliumsee Fuze+ and YP-R0...
16:36:56copperis it good practice to put a target's name in the theme name?
16:37:17copperI didn't think about that
16:37:43copperoh indeed, my themes are in there too
16:38:11copperlebellium: the resolution then? X-240x320?
16:38:22copperI mean Foo-240x320
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16:38:44lebelliumI put "lebellium Samsung-like" for all targets but I add the screen resolution in the Zip name
16:39:13copperugh, doesn't the uploader complain that there is already a theme by that name?
16:39:23lebelliumnot if the screen resolution is different
16:39:30copperI did not know that.
16:40:42copperOh well, I'll know for next time.
16:41:11copperI should have guessed when you linked me to all your themes
16:45:02lebelliumas often, my case was problematic at the beginning
16:45:07lebelliumbut gevaerts fixed it :);a=commit;h=e128b7e4e09162a9b88a2dc4200504c2e722444a
16:48:09lebelliumBTW gevaerts, why recent changes to the homepage (YP-R0, Zen X-Fi2/3) are not visible yet?
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18:09:45gevaertslebellium: presumably because nobody asked Zagor to pull them
18:09:53gevaertsOr possibly they didn't ask persistently :)
18:13:12lebelliumlet's ask persistently :D
18:17:43bluebrother^pamaury: pong
18:18:44lebelliumbluebrother^: #g614 works for me. Could you please double check on yours and commit the patch if it works too? :)
18:18:46fs-bluebotGerrit review #614 at : radio: fix FS #12747 by Jonathan Gordon (changes/14/614/1)
18:20:59bluebrother^lebellium: works for me too. I'll merge it.
18:21:07lebelliumthanks :)
18:22:09fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision acf3af4, 217 builds, 21 clients.
18:22:59pamaurybluebrother^: once again about the CAB patch for RBUtil, do you mind if I push it ? I would prefer that someone review but you don't have the time. Or maybe you can suggest someone who know RbUtil better than me to check it ?
18:23:53bluebrother^pamaury: is the patch up to date? I'll give it a look right now
18:25:12pamauryyes it should be
18:25:41bluebrother^hmm, it only adds libmspack for now?
18:25:48pamauryfirst is g#391 to add libmspack
18:25:50fs-bluebotGerrit review #391 at : Add libmspack to rbutil by Amaury Pouly (changes/91/391/2)
18:26:00pamaurythen g#417 to fix libmspack
18:26:00fs-bluebotGerrit review #417 at : Fix libmspack to compile with rbutil by Amaury Pouly (changes/17/417/2)
18:26:10pamaury g#418 adds cab support to rbutil
18:26:12fs-bluebotGerrit review #418 at : Add support for CAB archives to rbutil by Amaury Pouly (changes/18/418/3)
18:26:25pamaury g#419 adds zen x-fi3
18:26:27fs-bluebotGerrit review #419 at : Add support for the ZEN X-Fi3 to rbutil by Amaury Pouly (changes/19/419/3)
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18:29:52madcat1990Damn it bluebot, I was just about to ask about that!
18:30:57bluebrother^madcat1990: ask what?
18:31:37madcat1990Why the build was taking so long ;3; it was way over estimated times
18:32:02bluebrother^that question wasn't answered :)
18:32:25madcat1990well o-o I can now check the build logs, see what happened
18:32:37gevaertsIt took longer than expected because it was slower than expected
18:33:50bluebrother^we lost quite a bunch of fast clients some time back :/
18:34:07madcat1990oh :(
18:34:21madcat1990is there a way I can have you guys use my i3 at home for this?
18:34:53madcat1990or is that too slow?
18:35:26gevaertsSounds fast enough
18:35:47bluebrother^slowmo is an old Geode :)
18:36:05gevaertsAnd speedy is a slower old Geode :)
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18:36:55bluebrother^maybe I should hook up the Pi again :)
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19:06:10madcat1990my upload isn't that good on my nome network
19:06:14madcat1990I get 50kb/s
19:07:03webguest94240x400 touch theme for Zen X-fi2 works fine.
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19:28:15bluebrother^madcat1990: is that wrt build client?
19:29:06bluebrother^not all builds need uploading much data (you'll always upload the build log, but the binary is only uploaded on Rockbox builds, not for sim / checkwps / bootloader)
19:29:44bluebrother^pamaury: I had some comments about g#418. The rest is pretty straightforward anyway :)
19:29:46fs-bluebotGerrit review #418 at : Add support for CAB archives to rbutil by Amaury Pouly (changes/18/418/3)
19:34:44madcat1990I will look into this build thing when I get home! :) My server is constantly idling, it's about time it gets some use!
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