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#rockbox log for 2013-09-21

00:00:05gevaertsAnd if it is, I'd say the people are much more likely to be able to help you than we are
00:03:47gevaertsRockbox these days needs 2MB+ and even that's tight. Take out the screen and some features and you'll probably manage in 1MB, but those 8 bit things will probably have less than say 100KB
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01:02:29[Saint]Yeah, there's no way this things running Rockbox.
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01:51:06FevethSo. This thing apparently has firmware backups as an option in an utility that comes with it, that runs only on XP.
01:51:19FevethLuckily, I had an XP virtual machine hand.
01:51:41FevethBacked the firmware up, and guess what. The file is a .bkf; Namely, a Windows native backup file.
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02:31:10FevethThese .BKFs are not actually BKFs. Seem to be zipfiles.
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04:31:00FevethHmm. Anybody have somethng I can use to modify self-extracting cabinets?
04:31:04FevethThe firmware files seem to be those.
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10:31:05copperI've added new archives for my Googley themes:
10:31:49copperthe A14, A19, B14 and B19 archives are simplified versions handling only one font size (14px or 19px) and only one behavior (A or B)
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10:32:52copperthey remove quite a lot of conditionals, and all unused viewports
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10:49:40korn36I have some weird playback issues on my Clip Zip. When playing some OGG files, a second of a song often gets skipped or speed up. Anyone got this issue? I encode at q6.5 using aoTuV b6.03 encoder.
10:52:07korn36It doesn't seem to be a problem with the files. They play fine in PC and don't seem to have glitches in the OF
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10:59:12n1skorn36: does it happen every time at the same place in a file?
10:59:39korn36It's random
10:59:59korn36I made a thread and included a sample of the glitches in it:,43475.0.html
11:00:44korn36it is glitching on both dev build of rockbox and stable build of rockbox
11:00:56n1skorn36: does it only affect ogg files?
11:01:08korn36didn't test it yet with other formats
11:01:49korn36I'll test it now with flac.
11:02:00n1sthe fact that it's random makes me suspect corrupted data which should affect all kinds of iles
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11:02:36korn36sha512 checksums match for the file on PC and file on Clip. File plays without glitches on PC.
11:03:29n1syes, however the data could be corrupted after being read on the device, perhaps a buffering bug or bad ram or something like that
11:03:39korn36my clip has "R" printed under the clip. May the fact that player is refurbished be the cause of the issue?
11:05:58korn36ok listening to mp3 format now. i'll listen closely for the glitches.
11:07:07n1skorn36: if you get a similar glitch in the Original Firmware bad hardware is a strong possibility
11:08:36korn36I didn't notice it in OF, but I don't use OF often.
11:11:03korn36so far listened to one song in mp3, no glitches.
11:13:02korn36I forgot to mention, after listening to an ogg file, if the glitch happens, when I listen again to this file, glitch happens in the same place. If I reboot the player after glitch happens, it will happen in differrent place.
11:15:59n1skorn36: could you connect it to a computer and check the checksum of a file after it has shown the glitch? That behavior sounds really odd
11:16:34korn36ok, i'll now start playing random ogg files to cause the glitch.
11:16:45n1sassuming the clip zip has usb mode in rockbox that is, i'm not familiar with that port
11:17:13korn36it has usb mode
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11:17:37korn36it works like on clip+, but it's in color.
11:18:22*pamaury is back from dead, still busy this week-end
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11:19:55korn36ok glitch happened
11:20:59korn36n1s: checksums match
11:22:46korn36is there a way to test RAM on a rockboxed player?
11:23:26korn36Clip Zip just crashed with "Undefined instru"
11:23:33korn36after disconnecting
11:23:46korn36now screen is blinking
11:25:03n1sif you play a different file after one that glitches will the second file also glitch?
11:25:19korn36wait, i'll test
11:26:06korn36i noticed that it happens most often with one song (is it allowed to post songs on this channel?)
11:27:30korn36glitch happened, now playing another file
11:27:41n1sif you can legaly share it, sure
11:28:25korn36i don't know if it would be legal...
11:29:38korn36glitch happens most often on beginning of this track or around 0:30-0:45
11:31:09korn36n1s: didn't notice it on other track after playing a glitched track
11:32:13korn36it just happened on other track encoded in AAC
11:32:44korn36now it sounds more noticeable than before
11:32:48korn36i'll record a sample of the glitch
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11:34:41n1sok, sounds to me like either were doing something wrong with the hw or you have bad hw somewhere. The thing about the glitch happening in the same place after the first time in the same file but disappearing after reboot is really weird tho
11:35:13n1sperhaps something to do with storage that doesn't affect the usb mode?
11:36:37n1ssorry i can't be of more help, maybe someone with a clip zip can find out more
11:36:56korn36i wonder if this would happen with a microsd card inserted
11:37:15n1sworth trying
11:37:26korn36here is a sample of this:
11:39:16korn36has anyone heard a glitch like this on any rockboxed player?
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11:45:30korn36i tried to insert a microsd card and it shot out of the slot and now i don't know where it is
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12:07:15n1skorn36: in that recording the glitch is right before the first beat and between the second and third?
12:10:29korn36when it sounds skipped
12:14:55korn36it's before the last part
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12:15:28korn36it doesn't sound like that on the original FLAC file which i have on pc
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12:19:40korn36i left only the glitched part in this new sample
12:25:37korn36n1s: have you heard the glitch now?
12:27:13n1syeah, so the glitches are short noise bursts
12:27:50korn36there was a drum at that part, but it got super shortened so it sounded like noise
12:28:19n1sok, so it has dropped part of the audio?
12:29:57n1sthe ogg/vorbis decoder will do that if it gets a checksum mismatch so yeah, data is getting corrupted for some reason between being read from storage and getting passed to the decoder
12:30:45*korn36 hopes that he won't notice the glitch while listening on-the-go
12:31:54korn36since i found my microsd that flew across the room, how do i make rockbox's file browser show the files from microsd card?
12:32:21n1sit shows up as a special dir in the root of the filesystem
12:32:38n1s<mirco SD> or something like it
12:32:47korn36nothing like that there
12:33:54korn36it just appeared
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12:37:33korn36no glitches so far when listening from microsd, but it may be because music on microsd was in AAC format
12:39:37korn36is it true that AAC wastes battery life quickly?
12:41:52korn36oh no, read issues strike again. this time it is sudden skipping to next track (while listening from microsd)
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12:44:19n1sdecoding AAC-LC is usually a bit slower than mp3 but not by very much, and it differs between cpus, aac-he is however quite slow
12:44:37n1s has a bunch of benchmarks
12:45:16korn36i don't use low bitrates, so bad aac-he performance won't be an issue.
12:48:39korn36no issues so far, let's see if it will skip to next tracks on other aac files
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13:17:35korn36what tool is best for formatting player's internal memory? i use linux
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13:18:52korn36will mkdosfs work fine for this? i never formatted a player before, so i don't know how to deal with them.
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15:55:29zipzipi want to add samsung yp-q3 page on wiki
15:55:29zipzipsome help^?
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16:03:24zipzipccess check on Main.SamsungQ3port failed. Action "CHANGE": access not allowed on web. If you recently registered here, have you asked to be added to the WikiUsersGroup yet? You cannot edit anything until you are. Ask, in IRC preferrably, an existing user to add you. This is done for spam reasons.
16:03:55zipzipi want to adde some info for Samsung Q3 port, i cannot add page on wiki
16:04:12zipzipwho set me permission?
16:09:38zipzipanyone online?
16:14:31AlexPWhat is you rwiki name?
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16:24:19korn36and my issues continue again... i formatted my clip zip, reinstalled rockbox and re-encoded all of my music to aac (before i kept them in ogg). now when listening to something, it skips to next track randomly. before when listening to music encoded in ogg, tracks instead of skipping would just drop some samples and continue happens both on internal memory and on external microsd card. anyone got this problem?
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16:25:39n1skorn36: probably the aac decoder bails out if the data is corrupted while the ogg/vorbis decoder just drops the corrupted frame
16:26:08korn36interesting thing is, official sansa firmware doesn't drop out or bail out. it just plays fine.
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16:27:25n1skorn36: perhaps rockbox does something slightly differently when communicating with the storage that only affects some players, such issues have showed up before
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16:29:59korn36i should have got a clip+ instead of clip zip :(
16:30:47korn36is it possible to change buffer size in rockbox?
16:33:51AlexPThe audio buffer uses everything that isn't needed for something else
16:34:01AlexPSo not really, unless you disable other stuff
16:36:08korn36i wonder if this could be related to my problem: "USB seems to work poorly on the Clip Zip, possibly due to memory corruption FS #12705 FS #12638 ." (found on wiki). is there a way to prevent memory corruption on clip zip or check if memory is corrupted?
16:36:09fs-bluebot Undefined instru bt pc: 30800000, Clip Zip Drivers Problem (bugs, unconfirmed)
16:36:10fs-bluebot AMSv2 USB hangup (bugs, unconfirmed)
16:36:47AlexPIt means contents of memory being corrupted while being used for USB
16:36:53AlexPnot physically
16:37:10zipziphow to add photo?
16:37:26AlexPIf you are worried files are being corrupted in transfer, then you can either copy them back off again and check e.g. the md5dum, or use the OF to transfer them
16:38:50korn36i think they are corrupted while reading them. is there a way to check md5sum directly on rockbox instead of a PC?
16:39:05AlexPI don't think there is an md5 sum plugin
16:39:12funmanthere is
16:39:28AlexPoh, there you go then :)
16:39:37funmanit should be in context menu of any file, or you can run it manually from apps menu to scan the whole player
16:39:52AlexPzipzip: I'd have a look at the source for a page with an image on it
16:40:19korn36zipzip: where do you want to add a photo?
16:40:20funmanAlexP: I wasn't sure, just had to check in apps/plugins to confirm it was there ;)
16:40:25AlexPhehe :)
16:40:35AlexPI clearly didn't bother :)
16:40:55korn36funman: i can't find it in context menu, so i guess i'll have to scan whole player
16:41:58funmanhmm I don't remember where exactly it is in the context menu but it's got to be accessible for single files
16:42:42korn36nevermind, it was in "Open with..." part of the context menu
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16:45:20korn36md5sum created within a device matches md5sum created on a PC. any ideas why my skipping problem happens?
16:52:10zipzipthere is no possibility to host photo on rockbox?
16:52:53korn36you can try to use a public image host such as imgur and try to embed the image on wiki (don't ask me how; i don't know how)
16:53:38korn36there should be some tag that allows embeding remote images such as there is [img] on myBB-based forums.
16:53:51zipzipyes but public host really suck they remove photo without warn and you lost it
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16:55:02korn36tried using dropbox for image hosting? files on there don't seem to expire
16:55:12AlexPyou can attach images to the page and then display them
16:55:41AlexPsee e.g.
16:56:09AlexPmark them as hidden then they won't appear in a list at the bottom
16:56:51AlexPon the page you want to edit, click on "Attach" at the bottom then follow the instructions to attach and get a link etc.
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17:19:53zipzipdo you like?
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17:50:49zipzipsome suggestion for page i have just made?
17:52:29korn36zipzip: photos look nice, but on second photo that piece of paper with qr code and some info looks a bit overexposed
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17:55:28zipzipi didnt made photos, my player is still intact
17:56:21zipzipwhat do you think eorex chip stand for?
17:57:53korn36it may be SDRAM or DRAM. Look at
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18:07:05korn36the LBA one isn't mentioned on eorex's website. the LBB one is
18:07:15zipzipnot in eorex site
18:07:21zipzipbut i found it here
18:07:54korn36i guess they are similar and LBA is the one manufactured for samsung products.
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18:09:42zipzip on eorex site
18:10:14korn36 gets redirected to
18:10:44korn36so i guess that LBA version is end-of-line and LBB is the only one manufactured right now
18:12:29zipzipbut first link
18:12:55zipzipis another pdf
18:15:51korn36this is the datasheet for LBA version on eorex site: ; it slightly differs from the one on
18:16:40zipzipi need to go
18:17:07zipzipiv just add various pdf i found on samsungQ3 page see you soon
18:17:36zipzipkeep explore :P
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19:59:07korn36zipzip: i have a datasheet for Samsung Q3's CPU
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20:01:43korn36and by the way, update the wiki page: processor's name isn't TCC901S, it's TCC7901S. Also, it's manufactured by Telechips, not telesystem
20:02:27zipzip577 pages O_O
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20:05:08korn36i wonder if this player can be flashed using tcctool...
20:06:58zipzipim at beginning of reversing, just done a test, changing a bit in original fw, and as i can saw it seems to have hash check
20:07:50korn36on the wiki page you still have 901S instead of 7901S. the correct name is 7901S
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20:18:37korn36zipzip: i found a newer datasheet (idk what is the difference):
20:19:54RenderkingWanted to ask for access to edit the BigDisk wiki
20:20:11gevaertsWhat's your wiki username?
20:20:20RenderkingI recently build a nJanH
20:20:45gevaertsOur policy is to have FirstnameLastname
20:21:20RenderkingI recently with a lot of effort and self searching build a new BigDisk for Archos JukeBox Recorder
20:21:41zipzipkorn that new datasheet is more update
20:21:44zipzipi thing
20:21:51Renderkingwell when I registred it showed how the Name should be and it accepted this
20:21:57Renderkingwhere can I cang it?
20:22:15zipzipit is v.1.3 of 2009 first you posted is v0.10 2008
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20:24:38Renderkingsorry, can't see the line I'm typing (so, I have to unregister and re-register to change the wikiname?
20:25:05korn36zipzip: i found this:;a=blob_plain;f=tools/telechips.c;hb=HEAD ; it seems to be a way to generate those checksums that bootloader checks
20:25:54gevaertsRenderking: I think the easiest way is just to forget about this account and register a new one, yes
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20:31:42Renderkingbut I can not delete the account ... I probably have to change the mail adress right?
20:33:40Renderkinghmm, seems not to matter if everything name and mail address is the same
20:33:51Renderkingno I have JanHuebner as wikiname
20:34:53gevaertsRenderking: great. I've added you to WikiUsersGroup, so you should be able to edit now
20:36:56Renderkingthank's a lot :)
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20:38:59zipzipwhat is next step? you found telechips checksum tool
20:39:11korn36i don't know
20:39:25zipzipnow ? i can start to try compile?
20:39:36korn36i don't know a lot of stuff about reverse engineering
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20:42:07AlexPRenderking: The wiki software doesn't check the name, but number 2 in the list of three instructions lists it
20:43:08AlexPand it says Real before both first and surname :)
20:43:29AlexPbut no worries :)
20:50:41zipzipim going to have a dinner BRB
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20:58:25n1spamaury: i'm looking at tcctool trying to recover a yp-t10 but i'm a little lost, i have the two firmware files for it .RSC and .ROM do i just upload both of them with tcctool?
21:00:38korn36zipzip: This will be useful, save that somewhere
21:01:55zipzipill do after dinner
21:12:29AlexPIf that's the lebellium very active in this channel I suspect it is saved :)
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22:48:06zipzipi cant compile tcctool.c
22:49:14zipziptcctool can recognize new device?
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23:06:05FevethSo. Anyone wants the firmware backup file of my MP3 player? It's a faked Apple of some sort.
23:06:24FevethIt seems to be an SFX CAB. I've no way to modify it.
23:06:48FevethI need help here.
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