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#rockbox log for 2013-09-29

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13:43:04lebelliumgevaerts: do you think someone else like you could merge g#618 ? lorenzo and I asked kugel several times to check it again after the latest patch set 5 fix but it seems that he's busy or forgets about it
13:43:07fs-bluebotGerrit review #618 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/618 : Simulator for Samsung YP-R0 by Lorenzo Miori (changes/18/618/5)
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13:47:35*[Saint] is getting hit by FS #12865
13:47:35fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12865 G iPod USB connection errors and full speed mode if hard drive is spinning when connecting (bugs, unconfirmed)
13:48:04[Saint]hehe, cute, another fs-bluebot bug
13:48:35[Saint]It looks like it sppat the 5 in "5G" because the tracker task ends in a 5.
13:48:40[Saint]*spat
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13:56:01gevaertslebellium: sorry, I can't. "Your change could not be merged due to a path conflict"...
13:56:16gevaertsAnd silly gerrit doesn't just say where :)
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13:57:09*[Saint] apologises to fs-bluebot
13:57:20[Saint]...you're off the hook, for now.
13:57:21gevaertsWell, I guess I could fix it, but I don't feel like doing that if lorenzo92 is awake anyway :)
13:57:29lorenzo92gevaerts: I'm looking at it now
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13:59:42*[Saint] finds it slightly hilarious that his iPod Video doesn't like the iPod Video-specific USb init hack
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14:01:08[Saint]gevaerts: I understand your iPod Video (which may or may not even exist or be in your presence anymore) didn't have any issues with SVN of the time, or with the Video-specific USB hack?
14:01:39gevaerts[Saint]: I'm trying hard to remember what the "Video-specific USB hack" is
14:01:52[Saint]http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12324?getfile=24194
14:02:59[Saint]If I comment that out, I get solid connection every time.
14:03:42[Saint]Reading the history of this it seems like it was chucked in there as a workaround without anyone ever actually understanding why it was needed.
14:04:40gevaertsLooks like it
14:05:00gevaertsAnd reading that, yes, I'm fairly sure *my* ipod worked both before and after that
14:06:32[Saint]Mine worked, but I was apparently never observant enough to notice the reduced speed of the connection - which doesn't surprise me as I only seem to hit it if the disk is spinning during USB plug.
14:06:47[Saint]Odds, I guess.
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14:14:22lorenzo92gevaerts: fixed! g#618
14:14:24fs-bluebotGerrit review #618 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/618 : Simulator for Samsung YP-R0 by Lorenzo Miori (changes/18/618/6)
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14:20:22lebelliumthank you gevaerts :)
14:20:42lorenzo92;)
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14:29:57[Saint]541...jeebus?
14:30:00[Saint]WHat happened?
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15:15:05lebelliumrasher: could you add some new targets here rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ ? :)
15:16:04rasherlebellium: I don't think I control that. IIRC it builds the targets that are marked in builds.pm with a specific status
15:16:17rasherI may be wrong, but I'd be surprised!
15:16:50lebelliumhum
15:17:07rasherI can investigate, hang on
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15:17:29lebelliumI'm talking about YP-R0, Creative Zen X-Fi 2 and 3, and Sony NWZ-E360 and E370
15:18:36[Saint]I thought we only did sims for stable targets?
15:18:51[Saint]which none of those are.
15:19:10rasherthat may be it
15:19:30lebelliumI don't know [Saint] but on rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ there are many unstable/unusable targets :)
15:19:48lebelliumso that's not it
15:19:53lebelliumor there is an issue somewhere
15:20:10rasherlebellium: ah, bottom of tools/release/sims.pl
15:20:21rashershould be obvious what to do :)
15:20:27[Saint]the only one that stands out are the ondas.
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15:20:38[Saint]oh, and the (previously stable yet reverted) N2G
15:20:47lebelliumand many others
15:20:50lebelliumjust check
15:20:51lebellium;)
15:21:28lebelliumso either we only keep the stable targets on this website, or the new ones I mentionned above deserve to be there too :)
15:21:38[Saint]Hmmm. Perhaps its just stable and unstable, but not unusable?
15:21:46[Saint]Dunno.
15:22:11[Saint]I guess rules don't really matter, as they're not "official" anyway.
15:22:25[Saint]They're "because rasher is awesome" builds.
15:22:50rasherNah, it's whatever tools/release/sims.pl builds :)
15:23:07lebelliumCreative Zen Vision M, mini2440, Sansa m200v4 and Onda are unusable targets and they are there, though
15:23:35rasherWhich appears to be anything with status >= 2, plus some others
15:23:43[Saint]I thought there was some rules to it, and indeed perhaps at one time many moons ago there was, but it seems irrelevant now.
15:24:39[Saint]its kinda odd that the sim target script is in with the release stuff.
15:24:50rasherlebellium: so yeah, just add them to the bottom of tools/release/sims.pl
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15:24:56[Saint]...'y'know, seeing as how sims have nothing to do with a release (did they ever?)
15:25:12rasherUh, unless you're not a committer, I'm terribly out of touch, I must admit
15:25:26lebelliumI'm not a committer at all^^
15:25:27[Saint]He's not. But...gerrit.
15:25:47lebelliumI don't make patches either
15:26:50lebelliumI'm the annoying guy who has always something to report or suggest but who can't do anything himself :)
15:27:25[Saint]Well, you can, but you have certain (arguable) issues with or required methods. :)
15:27:33[Saint]*our
15:27:48[Saint]You're certainly capable.
15:28:46[Saint]If you can wrap your head around our theme language, a real language is a bit of a breeze.
15:29:09rasherlebellium: Ah, yeah uhm. Could I interest you in bugging someone else to add them to sims.pl? I haven't looked into the whole gerrit/git setup so I can't Just Do It :\
15:31:23lebellium[Saint]: Theme language is just a matter of reading one wiki...err manual page :)
15:31:45lebelliumrasher: no problem, I'll see if pamaury or lorenzo have time to do it
15:32:55[Saint]lebellium: just as C is "just a matter of reading the C reference" :)
15:33:15[Saint]actually, that's a terrible way to learn...don;t do that.
15:33:16pamaurylebellium: do what ?
15:33:39lebelliumpamaury: add YP-R0, Creative Zen X-Fi 2 and 3, and Sony NWZ-E360 and E370 to tools/release/sims.pl
15:34:17*[Saint] wonders why we don't have a Classic sim.
15:34:30[Saint]I gues because it is largely irrelevant, but it would be nice to have.
15:34:46lebelliumit's the same screen resolution as iPod video, no?
15:34:57[Saint]knock HID and recording out of a video build and BAM! Classic sim. :P
15:35:14pamauryhum, what does this tool do ?
15:35:26lebelliumpamaury: this would add the targets to rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/
15:35:36lebelliumfor windows users like me, it's much practical
15:36:07*[Saint] thinks it should be moved from /tools/release/ but probably won't ever do this
15:36:42[Saint]well, either that, or we should finally declare the sims as "official"
15:36:53[Saint]in which case it would make sense.
15:37:29lebelliumwhy aren't them official and hosted on a different website?
15:37:38lebelliumthey*
15:37:55[Saint]I have no idea. It predates my entry to the project.
15:37:56pamaurylebellium: ok, i'll add them, poke tonight please
15:38:05[Saint]It has always been this way as far as I have known.
15:38:11lebelliumpamaury: ok
15:40:40[Saint]I think it may boil down to there being no reason to host them on rockbox.org as long as rasher was building/hosting them.
15:41:16[Saint]I honestly don't know, I hadn't thought about it much until now. But it doesn't seem to make much sense.
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15:45:44[Saint]awww...fuck me: http://i.imgur.com/TYCAzK2.png?1
15:45:53[Saint]Humans, man. Fucking humans.
15:46:07[Saint]I really wish I wasn't one some days.
15:48:02lebelliumwrong chan? :)
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15:50:54[Saint]Quite.
15:51:03[Saint]Wrong server, even.
15:51:23[Saint]Well, that sucked.
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15:58:33pamauryhaha, dualboot working on the ZEN Mozaic :) Now I need to tackle the filesystem problem
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16:02:14*[Saint] wonders if pamaury does anything besides reverse engineer stuff and Rockbox things
16:02:29[Saint]...don't get me wrong, I'm not somplaining. :)
16:02:37[Saint]*complaining, too.
16:02:48pamauryyes, I play badmiton and I do a TCS thesis
16:04:24[Saint]After reverse engineering the raquet and Rockboxing it, no doubt.
16:05:18lebelliumFortunately he's here, otherwise there wouldn't be many new targets since the general interest in Rockbox seems to have dropped
16:06:04[Saint]To be perfectly honest, I am surprised there is still a market for DAPs.
16:06:19[Saint]But I suppose there is still a lot of the developing world left to consider.
16:07:01lebelliumwell all the latest new Rockbox targets are actually "old" players, so that doesn't necessarily means there is still a market ^^
16:07:32pamauryeven the latest players on the market are mostly revamps of the old ones
16:09:40lebelliumwell, we don't support many "audiophiles" players. Only Hifiman and MA9. If someone is interested in, there is much work to do with Fiio, iRiver Astell & Kern, iBasso players etc... :D
16:10:05lebelliumthat's the market now
16:10:06[Saint]That is primarily because the developers are smart enough not to buy such junk. :)
16:10:21pamauryclearly :)
16:11:24[Saint]If someone *gave* me a Hifiman, I might use it.
16:11:29[Saint]No way I'd buy one, though.
16:11:43lebelliumthat's old stuff
16:11:57lebelliumnow this is the Fiio X3 vs iBasso dx50 war :)
16:12:19lebelliumthose are quite different from the old Hifiman
16:12:21[Saint]Leave them to it. :)
16:12:27[Saint]They can keep them.
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16:34:44pamauryHey that's cool, I can resize the Creative FS partition and add a new one for rockbox \o/
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16:37:13[Saint]pamaury: I guess that solves the filesystem issue, then?
16:37:16[Saint]Congrats.
16:37:35pamauryapparently
16:37:45[Saint]Though one assumes that means Rockbox can't share the OF's library.
16:37:53[Saint]Which is kinda suck.
16:38:07pamaurythe downside is that you need to trash the filesystem and reformat it using the recovery mode but that better than nothing
16:38:17[Saint]Could it be automated?
16:38:32[Saint]re: RbUtil
16:40:40[Saint]You, sir, are a Rockboxing machine-of-death.
16:41:02pamauryI don't know, that's a bit tricky here: the partitions use a proprietary format and obviously you need to expose the whole disk. I see two options
16:41:13pamaury1) have the bootloader handle it
16:41:29pamaury2) have special SCSI commands to resize the partitions
16:41:54[Saint]1 may raise some objection.
16:42:29[Saint]But it would be more :Just Works"ish.
16:43:03pamaurythe issue with 2) is clear though: by doing so you trash both rockbox and OF partitions, including rockbox firmware (but not the bootloader)
16:43:51[Saint]Ah, yes. Indded.
16:43:56[Saint]*indeed.
16:44:03pamauryand I'm not sure I understand OF FS enough to reformat it myself in any case
16:44:34pamaurythere is also 3) handle this in a rockbox plugin
16:44:59pamaurybut then that's even worse: you shoot a bullet in your feet, you trash the FS your are running out of
16:45:16pamauryat least 2) is in USB more where you have exclusive disk access
16:45:55pamauryAnd somewhere, users will probably want to choose how much they give to OF and how much to RB, so you need some way of asking the user
16:46:58pamaurybrb, ideas are welcome
16:52:54[Saint]Given the points you have listed, I don't see a single "one size fits all" solution.
16:53:16[Saint]It seems either way there is going to be some slight to severe inconvenience.
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21:13:47lebellium_gs2pamaury: ping
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21:43:23kugelgevaerts: hmm, I wanted to investigate why APPLICATION and SIMULATOR defines clash before merging G#618 but well
21:43:26fs-bluebotGerrit review #618 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/618 : Simulator for Samsung YP-R0 by Lorenzo Miori (changes/18/618/6)
21:44:37gevaertskugel: yes, I suspected that that might be the case, but then how long should we wait for such things?
21:44:58gevaertsIf your comments had been, say, yesterday, I'd have waited
21:45:28kugelyea, no problem
21:45:39gevaertsAt least you can now fix things yourself in git and be assured to get proper credit :)
21:45:45kugelI have just too little time
21:47:34lebellium_gs2Maybe it was a bit too early to push the patch, sorry. I noticed after that the FM radio is missing in the sim
21:48:28gevaertsAlso, yes, maybe it can be done better, but this doesn't break anything
21:49:52pamaurylebellium: pong
21:50:00pamaurylebellium_gs2: pong
21:51:11lebellium_gs2pamaury: just a poke as you asked for this afternoon :)
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21:52:06pamauryah right :)
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21:57:24pamaurylebellium_gs2: what are the targets I should add ?
21:58:33lebellium_gs2pamaury: yp-r0, zen x-fi 2/3 and NWZ-E360/370. I guess that's all unless you still made another sim?^^
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21:59:01pamaurydo you have the codenames ? that would avoid be looking for them ?
21:59:11gevaertslebellium_gs2: please don't stop pushing for people to commit things just because every now and then something isn't perfect. We do want *some* progress :)
21:59:30lebellium_gs2Pamaury: I'm on my phone :S
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22:00:00pamauryok, i'll look myself
22:01:02lebellium_gs2gevaerts: got it :)
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22:03:32pamaurydone, I hope it's ok
22:05:30lebellium_gs2Thank you :)
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22:07:24lebellium_gs2I assume we'll see if it works with the next build update
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22:37:19gevaertspamaury: I've added e360 and e370 checkwps now, and I've removed some upload flags (the "1" in the second column) for sims and other checkwpses I think you added
22:37:55gevaertsThose upload flags aren't a big problem, but they do waste some time for stuff that's not downloadable from the server anyway
22:38:09*gevaerts missed those when reviewing the other day
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22:45:14pamaurygevaerts: ok, I don't understand what it means but that looks good
22:52:28lorenzo92kugel: do you remember how you did test the ALSA wrapper? i.e. what simulator and settings?
22:53:17gevaertspamaury: "1" means "upload the resulting build to the server", "0" means "only upload build logs"
22:53:36kugellorenzo92: how do you mean? just tested with rockbox
22:54:08lorenzo92kugel: hum well I mean, during the development, you only tested on device? No simulator?
22:54:32kugelfor which device?
22:54:56kugelI developed in with the sim/sdlapp
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22:55:27kugelis there a device otehr than ypr0 where its used?
22:57:22lorenzo92ah okay, no i don't think so, I just would like to debug something using the simulator ;)
22:57:26lorenzo92*improed
22:57:31lorenzo92*improve
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