#rockbox 2013-10-01

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00:00:24	bluebrother	reminds me that I need to check if a binary compiled with mxe has proper accessibility support. There was a problem in the past so I didn't use it for release builds.
00:03:07	lebellium	Hum I don't have the mxe/usr directory
00:03:18	fs-bluebot	Build Server message: Build round completed after 647 seconds.
00:03:19	lebellium	I run "git clone -b stable https://github.com/mxe/mxe.git"
00:03:26	lebellium	is that wrong?
00:05:41	bluebrother	you haven't build it yet?
00:05:47	bluebrother	cd mxe; make qt
00:06:30	bluebrother	it will then download and compile the necessary packages and install them to $PWD/usr
00:07:12	bluebrother	hmm, there has been a new release in the meantime with mingw-w64 support added. I guess I should rebuild my toolchain the other day
00:08:23	bluebrother	ok, maybe I misread you earlier.
00:08:34	bluebrother	you want to cross-compile a Windows binary on Linux?
00:08:45	lebellium	looks like I haven't MinCW yet
00:08:57	lebellium	MinGW*
00:09:03	bluebrother	that's what mxe would give you :)
00:09:20	lebellium	ok
00:09:23	lebellium	it says make: *** No rule to make target `qt'. Stop.
00:09:53	bluebrother	mxe is a toolchain to build Windows binaries on Linux.
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00:10:13	bluebrother	works for me.
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00:11:33	lebellium	well I just want a Windows or Linux RButility, I don't mind if I compile it on Windows or Linux. I actually use Win 7 as main OS + Ubuntu in VM
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00:13:43	bluebrother	you can also build a Linux binary. If you have Qt and libusb installed it's simply a qmake && make in rbutil/rbutilqt
00:15:03	bluebrother	sorry, gtg now. Check also http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtilityDevelopment#How_To_Compile
00:15:32	bluebrother	it's a bit outdated for Windows though. Need to fix that eventually
00:16:02	lebellium	qmake && make seems to work
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00:29:25	lebellium	well no luck
00:29:28	lebellium	"make: /usr/bin/lrelease: Command not found
00:29:30	lebellium	make: *** [lrelease] Error 127"
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00:44:19	lebellium	ah some missing librairies
00:44:32	lebellium	I managed to compile RBUtility
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01:11:39	lebellium	And it works, my MD5sums for H300 fw 1.31k are correct! :D thank you bluebrother
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04:22:12	ikeboy	I'm having this nasty error on any make for rockbox /bin/sh: 1: /home/myname/rockbox/tools/bmp2rb: Permission denied
04:22:21	ikeboy	any suggestions
04:23:17	ikeboy	A google search yielded this http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100614
04:25:06	ikeboy	did a git reset −−hard origin/master and it still doesn't work
04:27:35	JdGord	git pull?
04:27:41	JdGord	does the file exist?
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04:30:44	ikeboy	the file exists, is it supposed to be binary
04:32:30	JdGord	what are the binaries permissions?
04:32:37	JdGord	ls -la /home/myname/rockbox/tools/bmp2rb
04:33:53	JdGord	the suggestion in the linked irc log might still work, rm /home/myname/rockbox/tools/bmp2rb, git reset −−hard, git pull
04:34:23	ikeboy	I removed the file and then did a reset −−hard again and now the permissions are -rwxrwxr-x 1 myname myname 49513 Sep 30 22:32 ../tools/bmp2rb
04:34:43	ikeboy	but now it's failing on tools/convbdf: Permission denied
04:35:44	JdGord	do ls -la /home/myname/rockbox
04:35:58	JdGord	did you break the whole tools/ directories permissions/ownership?
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04:37:12	ikeboy	http://pastebin.com/YeB8ZU00
04:37:54	ikeboy	I just did a rm -R tools/ and then git reset −−hard and now it completed building
04:38:24	JdGord	ok :)
04:40:48	ikeboy	I thought git status would tell me of any permision changes, I think it did once when I copied via NTFS
04:43:19	[Saint]	It _should_.
04:43:35	[Saint]	It seems like you should be checking for filesystem corruption.
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07:30:32	sansafuze	I can only select drive C or D when installing ROckbox, my sansa isn't available in the file stream. How do I fix this?
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07:32:00	JdGord	sansafuze: is your fuze connected as a MSC device?
07:32:06	JdGord	does it have a driver letter in explorer?
07:32:58	sansafuze	Yeah, I can see both C: and D: but I can't select anything else
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07:33:38	JdGord	are either of those drives the sansa?
07:33:41	sansafuze	I'm guessing it is not connected as an MSC device
07:33:49	sansafuze	Nope, those are my computer's hard drives
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07:34:17	sansafuze	My device was bought refurbed so I have no manual, I'll do a quick search re: MSC connecting
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07:37:10	sansafuze	That did the trick, thanks much
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13:54:42	lebellium	I tried g#630 on my H320 with self compiled RButil and it works fine! Could the patch be merged like that (=do you trust me? :D ) or is a dev owning a H300 required here for a double check?
13:54:46	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #630 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/630 : fwpatcher/rbutil - added support for H300 v1.31K by Lorenzo Miori (changes/30/630/3)
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14:01:32	wodz	in god we trust :-)
14:05:13	lebellium	:)
14:05:14	lebellium	Thank you
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15:07:18	lebellium	[Saint]: what do you think about g#617 and wouldn't it be a good idea to have it for non-touch targets too?
15:07:22	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #617 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/617 : Move List Padding in Lists option by Lorenzo Miori (changes/17/617/1)
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15:09:29	[Saint]	lebellium: I shall add my comments to the task
15:09:59	pamaury	gevaerts: is that possible that disk_init() requires a valid MBR to succeed ?
15:10:00	[Saint]	But, basically, this:
15:10:30	gevaerts	pamaury: given that we do support partitionless setups, I doubt that
15:10:40	[Saint]	I never personally thought it should be touchscreen specific myself, so I agree there. But theme settings is entirely the wrong place for this.
15:11:01	[Saint]	It isn't a valid theme setting, this belongs in display settings if it is going to be global.
15:11:19	pamaury	gevaerts: I thought that too but looking at the code I'm now puzzled
15:11:28	lebellium	[Saint]: it is a valid theme setting, it works when adding to the cfg file :)
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15:11:42	[Saint]	Settings > General Settings -> Display -> Padding in lists
15:11:59	pamaury	disk_mount is ok without partition but disk_init() returns NULL if there are no partitions, which confuses the imx233 bootloader
15:12:16	[Saint]	lebellium: any setting works if you add it to a theme .cfg file, but the themesite will reject it and the manage theme settings save config file will not save it.
15:12:23	[Saint]	It is not a valid theme setting.
15:12:31	lebellium	Ah
15:12:34	[Saint]	By your reasoning, every setting is a theme setting. :)
15:12:42	lebellium	indeed...
15:12:47	gevaerts	pamaury: bootloaders seem to be divided on whether they should use the return value of disk_init
15:12:54	pamaury	indeed
15:13:15	[Saint]	lebellium: So, yeah, if it were changed to Display Settings, I would be all for it. And I shall say as much on gerrit.
15:13:26	[Saint]	Thanks for pointing the patch out.
15:13:29	lebellium	[Saint]: ok I see the logic, good idea
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15:14:39	gevaerts	pamaury: also, looking at the code, I wonder why bootloaders call disk_init at all
15:15:18	gevaerts	disk_mount_all() calls disk_mount() which calls disk_init()
15:16:16	lebellium	[Saint]: actually this setting is currently quite hidden. The default automatic value is fucked up on some targets like YP-R1 and Android and I did not understand why so until lorenzo found out this setting
15:17:16	pamaury	gevaerts: nice catch indeed
15:17:18	lebellium	Now I can set the padding I want, but that still doesn't fix the automatic value issue :)
15:18:29	gevaerts	Hmmm
15:19:15	[Saint]	The default value for list padding is worked out via the screen resolution.
15:19:18	[Saint]	It is dynamic.
15:19:34	gevaerts	pamaury: apps/main.c doesn't call disk_init(), but it does call disk_init_subsystem(), and that one should be called by bootloaders as well I'd say, especially ones that do threads (e.g. for usb)
15:20:23	*	gevaerts thinks our bootloaders only work due to luck :)
15:20:35	pamaury	wait, that means all bootloaders are broken ?!
15:21:03	gevaerts	Most bootloaders are single-threaded
15:21:54	lebellium	[Saint]: That's what I assumed. But look how it looks like when set on automatic:
15:21:55	lebellium	http://imageshack.us/a/img821/1933/37vs.jpg
15:21:57	lebellium	http://imageshack.us/a/img197/417/k639.jpg
15:21:59	lebellium	http://imageshack.us/a/img534/344/9e8h.jpg
15:22:00	lebellium	:S
15:22:00	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #197 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/197 : FS #12390 - Sansa Clip Zip Cabbiev2 Port by Stephen Carroll by Bertrik Sikken (changes/97/197/1)
15:22:02	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #534 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/534 : rk27generic: keymap tweaks by Marcin Bukat (changes/34/534/1)
15:22:17	lebellium	damn bot
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15:23:10	[Saint]	I've prodded bluebrother a few times to either look at it or point me at the source so I can be nosey and look into it myself but I haven't caught up with him.
15:23:32	[Saint]	fs-bluebot: hey...yous a stoopid.
15:25:24	[Saint]	But, anyway, yeah - perhaps I could make it so that touchscreen targets default to dynamic list padding and non-touch targets are able to use list padding, but it defaults to off.
15:25:34	[Saint]	Otherwise, I sincerely doubt this would be committed.
15:25:46	lorenzo92	anyone knows why encoders are miserably failing to load on simulator with error "codec header error"?
15:27:21	lebellium	[Saint]: ok but isn't there a mistake somewhere in the code? Did you see how big is the automatic padding on my pics compared to a non-touch target?
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15:27:31	lorenzo92	i'm implementing recording on the alsa wrapper, and so i will do also for SDL. the first is used on ypr0 and ypr1 targets too
15:27:50	[Saint]	lebellium: no, there's no mistake. It is supposed to be huge.
15:27:55	kugel	[Saint]: I'm surprised. pretty sure it was a theme setting in your optionion back then
15:28:23	[Saint]	kugel: No, I disliked it completely. ;)
15:28:30	kugel	lorenzo92: codec load error in the sim is most likely because you only recompiled the binary or forgot to make install the new codecs
15:28:31	[Saint]	I warmed to it. :)
15:29:04	lorenzo92	kugel: oh indeed, i'll try
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15:29:50	kugel	lebellium: if the list padding is huge with the automatic settings it could be that the specified (or measured) DPI for the display are incorrect
15:29:54	[Saint]	lebellium: But, yeah, there's no mistake. It is supposed to be massive to give people with fat fingers a chance for it to "Just Work"
15:30:09	kugel	but "huge" is also subjective i guess
15:30:27	[Saint]	Well...there may be a mistake, indeed. But the math is correct, perhaps the specified DPI isn't.
15:30:39	lorenzo92	kugel: good spot, i did not adjust the setting...
15:30:44	[Saint]	(as kugel just said, so I didn't need to... sigh :P)
15:30:46	kugel	lebellium: it doesn't look right on that pics I agree
15:30:53	lebellium	kugel: ah! Because I don't get the same result in Ondo VX sim and on YP-R1 while they have the same resolution
15:31:31	lorenzo92	kugel, lebellium: thanks for spotting the problem :) we should calculate the dpi value then
15:31:43	kugel	lorenzo92, lebellium: only on android we have runtime detection of DPI (as of know). for other targets you can #define LCD_DPI appropriately in config/<target>.h
15:33:20	[Saint]	lorenzo92: did you see my comment earlier regarding your patch to add list padding for all targets? I would have two requirements: 1) Changing it to Display Settings, 2) it would need to default to off for non-touch targets
15:34:36	lorenzo92	Saint: yes I like the idea to implement it also for non-touch targets...1) okay (so no more touchscreen submenu) 2) absolutely, of course
15:35:46	[Saint]	I was just going to gerrit to comment when I saw you talk in here so I thought I'd grab you while I could instead. :)
15:35:50	lorenzo92	kugel: did a fresh compilation, still codec header error
15:36:13	lorenzo92	Saint: ;)
15:37:09	kugel	did you make install?
15:37:53	lorenzo92	kugel: yes...
15:38:01	kugel	try deleting the build directly and start anew
15:38:18	[Saint]	"make veryclean" should be enough.
15:38:36	lorenzo92	kugel: the only thing I had to add manually is -lasound to fuze plus simulator...
15:38:44	[Saint]	perhaps "make veryclean && make reconf && make"
15:39:18	kugel	lorenzo92: yea, sounds right
15:39:44	lebellium	kugel: 400x240 for 2.6" gives me 179.41 DPI. Lorenzo set "#define LCD_DPI 180" in his R1 patch, which seems to be very close!
15:39:59	lorenzo92	i'm building using the -j option btw but it shouldn't be that guilty i hope :D
15:40:19	kugel	-j should be fine
15:40:31	lorenzo92	lebellium: this shows that I actually set it then xD
15:40:33	[Saint]	it can /sometimes/ cause weird issues, but it is usually fine, yes.
15:40:42	kugel	although -jN (where N is the number of cores) is more efficient
15:41:02	[Saint]	I do N = cores*2
15:42:52	lorenzo92	lebellium, kugel: perhaps this is again the pain of #ifdefs in action!
15:42:56	kugel	lebellium: that's unfortunate if it's too huge with that
15:43:14	kugel	the formula is derived directly from android
15:43:47	lorenzo92	yes I mean, isn't it that it changes something on hosted platform? I don't think so but ...
15:43:59	kugel	if the display on that pic is 2.6" it then it seems about right to me
15:44:31	lebellium	yes it's 2.6"
15:44:43	lorenzo92	yeah it may be, i find it hugly huge tough (as you said, that unfortunately)
15:45:07	lorenzo92	kugel: it worked now, i.e. it crashes but at least now the encoder is loaded haha
15:45:10	lebellium	the problem is that most users don't know that can be changed via a padding setting
15:45:16	kugel	for this reason you can configure it to off or N pixels
15:45:44	lorenzo92	kugel: nope I was wrong, still codec error ;(
15:45:54	kugel	the idea is that most users don't want to change it
15:46:09	lebellium	if the default padding is reasonable
15:46:24	lebellium	in this case everybody will want to change it :)
15:46:50	kugel	that's what you think
15:47:26	kugel	I found it a very reasonable default on all targets/displays where I have used it (ranging from <100 to >280 DPI)
15:48:03	lorenzo92	kugel: is there a build for android that correctly works on galaxy nexus?
15:48:09	lorenzo92	so that I can see...
15:48:34	lebellium	lorenzo92: rasher.dk/rockbox/android/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/android/
15:49:09	kugel	what resolution is this?
15:49:29	lebellium	kugel: well, we'll see the 1st users feedbacks when the R1 patch is merged. If needed, I'll explain on ABI how to change the padding :)
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15:50:16	lorenzo92	lebellium: i know the page, but I have a 1206x720 resolution, very standard -.-
15:50:25	kugel	lorenzo92: try building from this branch: kugel-/rockbox/commits/dynamic_lcd">https://github.com/kugel-/rockbox/commits/dynamic_lcd it has a cabbiev2 port for this resolution
15:50:33	kugel	(the list padding is the same)
15:50:46	kugel	but specify 1280x720 in configure
15:51:32	[Saint]	lebellium: the important thing, above all else, is that users are able to change it.
15:51:42	lorenzo92	kugel: wow interesting branch!
15:51:48	[Saint]	The idea is that it is a safety net for the first run, if anything else.
15:52:17	[Saint]	If users want to change it to a smaller setting, great. But they need to be able to do so, and the dynamic value presents the best hope of them doing so.
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15:53:13	[Saint]	I don't want an ifdef hell of different scaling values on a per-target basis.
15:53:19	lorenzo92	kugel: how can I debug the problem? in any case codecs are pure ELF files, so how can it be that rockbox does such a check?
15:53:20	[Saint]	The default scaling is fine.
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15:54:54	lorenzo92	Saint: I agree, no stupid ifdefs (we already have far too many)
15:56:16	gevaerts	Don't tempt some people to work on clever ifdefs :)
15:57:29	[Saint]	I'll #ifdef you in a minure... :P
15:57:38	[Saint]	*minute, dammit
15:58:12	lebellium	[Saint]: the only issue I see is that when you want to change something and you don't know how to, you usually look where you might find a setting for that. And I would never have found the padding setting (I didn't know it exist) in the touchscreen settings if lorenzo92 didn't point it to me :)
15:59:01	[Saint]	Good thing (if it happens, which it should) that it'll be moved to Display Settings then. :)
15:59:02	lorenzo92	gevaerts: i did not want to say that :) I wanted to say, let's avoid more ifdefs
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16:00:37	lorenzo92	haha
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18:10:06	rasher	lebellium: what are the builds you're looking for?
18:10:35	lebellium	Samsung YP-R0, Creative Zen X-Fi2/3 and Sony NWZ-E360/370
18:11:22	rasher	Do they actually build?
18:11:29	lebellium	yes
18:12:22	rasher	dunno, seems like I forgot to log the output, I'll do that now
18:12:44	rasher	lebellium: with mingw?
18:14:41	lebellium	I don't know if they build with mingw but they do with the standard procedure in linux, ie ../tools/configure, (S), make && install
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20:19:08	bertrik	this might be useful for new ports http://code.google.com/p/binwalk/
20:19:55	bertrik	it's a tool for analysing firmware dumps basically, able to recognise file systems and other structures
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21:44:55	lorenzo92	kugel: I understood the problem, in the elf object of encoders is missing the __header function
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21:56:14	kugel	lorenzo92: oh. i guess nobody worked with encodes before on HOSTED
21:56:24	lorenzo92	indeed :)
21:57:08	lorenzo92	basically it is like it doesn't find the __header struct as I said, even tough there is in the code...hum
21:57:33	kugel	the __header is in a seperate ELF section
21:57:36	kugel	see if it
21:57:44	kugel	's in the *.codec file
21:58:15	kugel	readelf -S <file> shows them
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22:05:33	lorenzo92	kugel: indeed no header at all
22:06:00	lorenzo92	I even tried to modify the codecs.h, to reflect the same settings for decoders
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22:07:41	lorenzo92	perhaps I have to see a linker script or so?
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22:11:07	lorenzo92	wait now it works also for wav :/
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22:17:11	lorenzo92	great I can now go on writing the alsa driver ;)
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22:27:53	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #626 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/626 : DSP Compressor: Sidechain, Exponential Atk/Rls by Ryan Billing (changes/26/626/1)
22:28:43	[Saint]	Not hungry enough to make it totally implausible to run on PP, though.
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22:34:05	lorenzo92	kugel: wow it works :D I can hear myself typing on the keyboard haha
22:34:40	lebellium	:)
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22:37:15	lorenzo92	so, basically, I have to start cleaning up the code now and fix the switch from play to record and vice versa
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22:53:12	*	[Saint] decides to dust off an old chestnut, with a new twist:
22:54:06	[Saint]	Now that the main menu order, and items, are configurable - are there any objections to applying Shut Down in the main menu globally?
22:56:10	kugel	the main menu is configurable?
22:56:17	lebellium	yes
22:56:27	lebellium	but not directly on device
22:56:29	lebellium	so..
22:56:37	kugel	did I miss something?
22:56:43	[Saint]	Apparently.
22:56:46	lebellium	you can remove items from the main menu
22:56:54	lebellium	and change the order
22:57:14	[Saint]	There's a magic config option for this, for about a year+ or so I think.
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22:58:25	[Saint]	kugel: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch13.html#x16-32800013.1.1
22:59:10	[Saint]	I would need to adjust it slightly to allow do_shutdown as an item.
22:59:23	[Saint]	but that is trivial.
22:59:56	lebellium	but there would be a shut down item by default?! or would it by disabled by defaut?
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23:00:04	lebellium	be*
23:00:17	lorenzo92	i would like to have a shutdown button, it is handy...
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23:02:22	[Saint]	This argument used to come up about once every year or so. :)
23:03:14	[Saint]	It kinda died off, but it just occured to me that there is a lot more chance of it being accepted if people who don't want it there can turn it off, or people that do want it can turn it on.
23:03:22	gevaerts	You can have a shutdown shortcut these days
23:03:37	[Saint]	That's the question, really, default off or on. Probably off?
23:04:28	[Saint]	gevaerts: I'm not actually sure you can.
23:04:44	kugel	gevaerts: that's not enough, because using that takes longer than holding the power off button
23:04:56	kugel	;)
23:05:21	[Saint]	Oh, actually, you can.
23:05:31	gevaerts	[Saint]: if you can't, my reading of the source is wrong :)
23:05:33	lebellium	that would be useful for Android which doesn't really stop the app (sometimes?) but on the other targets there is a shutdown button :)
23:05:34	[Saint]	But the manual doesn't actually describe how.
23:05:52	gevaerts	kugel: right, it's not the same thing, I was just providing a data point :)
23:06:02	*	gevaerts doesn't actually ever shut down his DAP
23:06:08	[Saint]	Oh, yes it does. FF is being a cock. :-S
23:06:12	[Saint]	AHem. SOrry.
23:06:16	gevaerts	That's what the idle poweroff is for :)
23:06:53	gevaerts	So I'd like to remove the shutdown button altogether. It's useless ;)
23:07:21	[Saint]	So, anyway, yeah - would anyone have any objection to me adding do_shutdown as a configurable menu item that defaults off?
23:07:56	[Saint]	So people that do want it badly enough can add it without pissing off those who don't.
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23:11:01	gevaerts	[Saint]: but... Buffer size!
23:11:24	gevaerts	I need free RAM to store my megapixel album art!
23:11:47	[Saint]	Can't really use that argument if the Player has it enabled by default as a special case. :)
23:11:58	gevaerts	Of course I can
23:12:06	gevaerts	The Player doesn't do album art!
23:12:31	[Saint]	I...errr. Hmmm.
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23:33:22	[Saint]	Oh. Nice.
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23:35:57	[Saint]	The shutdown item is configurable in the main menu (if the target has it) already. I had just weirded up my tree moons ago merging the configurable menu patch. Derp.
23:37:06	[Saint]	I would just need to adjust the manual slightly to actually mention it is an option, as it doesn't even mention it for the targets that do have shutdown in the main menu already.
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23:52:10	webguest50	Will the soft shutdown work on the Sansa Fuze+ ? I'd like this "soft" option to save wear and tear on the physical off/on button.
23:54:31	webguest50	Will " ,shutdown" in "root_Menu.cfg" enable it?
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23:55:49	webguest50	Would something like "root menu order: files,wps,settings,recording,radio,plugins,shutdown" work?
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