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#rockbox log for 2013-10-03

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02:36:05[Saint]So, yeah. There was no clear objection yesterday when I brought it up, but that's not a "yes" either.
02:36:26[Saint]Adding Shut Down globally now since its configurable - yes?
02:38:53[Saint]I decided it was time again to dust that chestnut off yesterday. :)
02:39:29[Saint]It did help that it came as a surprise to a few people that the main menu is even configurable now. and has been for quite some time.
02:39:54[Saint]IIRC, that was the one major immovable object of the past. - the fact that those that didn't want it couldn't remove it.
02:43:08[Saint]Oh, in touchscreen news - I got a tabbed selector working nicely.
02:43:40[Saint]I'm also playing with a swipte gesture, but it is difficult, a little slow, and highly convoluted.
02:44:02*JdGord reads the logs
02:44:07[Saint]For some reason the refresh rate of some screens seems very sub par.
02:44:38JdGordif it defaults to off i dont see why having the shutdown option always compiled in would be an issue
02:44:46[Saint]I know I can push as many as 10 events per second, but you're lucky to see 4 or 5 of those.
02:45:27[Saint]JdGord: that's one thing I'm not sure about - if it default off it becomes even worse of a "hidden feature" than it is now.
02:45:38JdGordswiping needs to be done at the touchscreen/action level, not at the skin level
02:46:09JdGordno, you just set default on for the player and default off for everything else
02:46:55JdGordand I rememeber kugel being grumpy about the use of the *(or ? whatever it is) to mark as optional or somethging when the deature went in
02:47:00[Saint]How does that help, though? I understand that it allows people to add it, if they want it, but I prefer the idea of it not being hidden and those that don't want it remove it.
02:47:04JdGordso yeah, he just forgot about it :)
02:47:33JdGordnot without a UI to make it customisable on device I think
02:48:29[Saint]I had a brief look yesterday, where are default config values set?
02:48:58[Saint]I would be willing to accept it defaulting off if it gets it in there, then those that want it can add it in.
02:49:37[Saint]I was unsure how to set the default config values however. I didn't find it.
02:50:09JdGordoh hmm,,, i may have misrememebred also
02:50:21JdGordits all in root_menu.c
02:50:43[Saint]Hum. I must've breezed right past it.
02:51:02[Saint]Thankyou sire.
02:51:14fs-bluebotGerrit review #156 at : root menu: add the shutdown option to all builds by Jonathan Gordon (changes/56/156/1)
02:51:24[Saint] did I not spot that. I was like *right there*. Hmmm. Derp.
02:51:25JdGordthats what i remember him being grumpy about :)
02:52:14[Saint]Wasn't the reason that was stmped on because it broke every voice file?
02:52:29*[Saint] looks
02:52:34[Saint]that's what I remember.
02:53:09JdGordfix english.lang to use a new ID and its all good
02:53:25JdGordyou're going to have the same problem however you do it
02:56:27[Saint]I'm not sure why it needs a new ID...
02:56:42[Saint]There's already one present that could be added to.
02:57:45[Saint]Hmmm, the change I was thinking of is exactly how you handled it - I guess I don't understand why/how that breaks the voice file.
02:58:18JdGordit would change the lang ordering in the *: case
02:58:53JdGordpretty sure you can just deprecate that string and add a new LANG_SHUTDOWNITEM at the end with the same text
03:00:09[Saint]ah. so its fine if I deprecate the existing string and recreate it at the end?
03:00:18*[Saint] has never fully understood voice files.
03:00:26JdGordusing a different id though
03:00:42JdGordor you could rename that string and replace it in every .lang
03:01:19[Saint]That's the translators job.. :)
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03:01:37JdGordnot if you change the langid of the existing item
03:07:23[Saint]Gah. This touches quite a few places.
03:09:18[Saint]JdGord: what do I do about soft_shutdown targets? The Playser/Studio/Recorder? Remove soft_shutdown from features.txt as well?
03:09:59[Saint]And I need to touch the manual too to make it clear that shutdown is an toption in the menu configuration.
03:10:22JdGordyou should talk to bluebrother (?) about that...
03:12:06[Saint]Shit. If I have to do that, then I need to deprecate another lang string.
03:12:32[Saint]AH, no, I can get away with leaving it.
03:13:03JdGordcan you just make soft_shutdown an implicit one which all devices have?
03:13:16[Saint]seems soft_shutdown is entirely different to shutdown and requires confirmwation.
03:36:26[Saint]SO, I take it I just wrap root_menu_set_default in #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == PLAYER_PAD and pass the string of root menu entries in the else case?
03:36:30[Saint]Or is that too ugly?
03:37:49[Saint]Hmmm, no, that won't do it. Where I'm looking only *resets* the main menu if the config value is -
03:37:59[Saint]what the fuck sets it to bein with?
03:38:38JdGord[Saint]: just rebase g#156 and fix the lang issue
03:38:41fs-bluebotGerrit review #156 at : root menu: add the shutdown option to all builds by Jonathan Gordon (changes/56/156/1)
03:38:43JdGordi've done the rest of the work
03:41:45[Saint]Oh, well...hmmm.
03:41:54[Saint]That's a different way than I was going with it.
03:42:10[Saint]Are we sure about the "?"
03:42:27JdGordkugel wants an extra bool in the controlling struct
03:42:30JdGordyou can change to that if you want
03:42:43JdGordbut i dont see the point to waste all that extra bytes for 1 item
03:42:58[Saint]I see the point there.
03:43:14[Saint]I was just thinking of using "!" instead, to me it seems a bit more obvious.
03:45:30JdGordthat will never be seen by users
03:45:55[Saint]Oh, I know.
03:46:05JdGordreally there should be 2 #defines... OPTIONAL_DEFAULT_ON "%" OPTIONAL_DEFAULT_OFF "!"
03:46:15JdGordthe letters make SFA difference
03:47:23[Saint]Why need there be two defines? I think that's messier than have a single one that prefixes an existing option.
03:48:13JdGorderr... yeah woops, just OPTIONAL_DEFAULT_OFF is needed
03:48:19JdGordwhich is what "?" is now
03:48:24JdGordchange it to wathever you want :)
03:48:34JdGordthe extra field is imo pointless
03:48:55[Saint]I can see the point, but its wasteful.
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03:49:27[Saint]Right, I'll go eat and have a go at pushing this to gerrit and see if it can't get through this time.
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04:28:12DudeboxCan anyone read this?
04:32:57JdGordno, you're using white on white text
04:35:18DudeboxVery funny JdGord
04:35:34DudeboxThe tab is constantly loading so I thought it wasn't working.
04:36:51Dudebox Well then, I was wondering on how to wrap a list, can you tell me what I must do?
04:46:36[Saint] do you mean?
04:47:03[Saint]All the lists should already wrap.
04:47:45[Saint]Hit the top or the bottom in a continuous scrool, and it'll stop. Scroll again in the same direction, list wraps.
04:50:13[Saint]Dudebox: would you like to describe what it is you're trying to do?
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04:51:19[Saint]As long as you're using simplelist, eveything should "just work" and a list should wrap.
04:52:16[Saint]In fact I can't find a single area in Rockbox where this isn't the case.
04:58:53DudeboxIt's quite simple Saint, for some odd reason if I get to the last song, it doesn't go back to the first one. Hahaha, I just realized I should've set it to repeat.
04:59:20DudeboxAlso when I scroll down a list, I have to scroll back up, it doesn't reset itself back to the top.
05:00:21[Saint]As descibed above, it in fact does.
05:00:36[Saint]ALso - yes, repeat - which has nothing to do with lists. :)
05:01:02DudeboxI'll take your advice Saint but here's an issue that's quite the pickle.
05:01:11[Saint]If you hit the bottom of a list while scrolling, it will stop. Scroll again in the same direction and the list will loop.
05:01:28DudeboxAlright, I'll do exactly that.
05:02:47DudeboxFor this issue, it has been annoying me for quite a long time. Say for example I'm in a folder that has a discography of that musician and I pick a song in one subfolder/album. When I fast forward through one song, it will skip onto a song in the next folder/album.
05:03:41[Saint]Sounds like you turned Auto-change directory on. Turn it off.
05:04:18[Saint]Settings - Playback Settings - Auto-change Directory - No
05:05:19[Saint]...that should only happen if that track is the last in the current list, though.
05:05:52DudeboxI don't recall on which track this occurs on to be honest.
05:05:54[Saint]If it skips to an arbitrary directory, from an arbitrary track, something is quite wrong. It shouldn't do that.
05:06:19[Saint]If it is the last track of the list, and auto-change directory is on, this is intended behaviour.
05:06:22DudeboxWell like I said, it goes onto the next subfolder.
05:06:52[Saint]which is intended, if it is the last track, and auto-change directory is on.
05:07:43DudeboxAlright, well I appreciate your help, you're truly a *puts sunglasses on...notices it's too dark and takes them off before he looks like a fool* saint
05:08:43[Saint]If playback skips between subdirectories and the current track indeed was not the last track of that directory - that's definitely a bug.
05:09:52DudeboxIt very well may be the case actually.
05:10:31DudeboxWell I appreciate your help, I shall take my leave before I fall from exhaustion. Thank you
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12:26:32lebelliumrasher: sorry I was away yesterday. So yeah now they show up on your website, thank you :)
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12:54:04[Saint]Hum. g#626 manages to add a feature *and* be more efficient than the current compressor.
12:54:06fs-bluebotGerrit review #626 at : DSP Compressor: Sidechain, Exponential Atk/Rls by Ryan Billing (changes/26/626/1)
12:54:34[Saint]...he just needs to fix the damn whitespace.
12:55:40*[Saint] is slightly puzzled by the iPod Video booting faster than the Classic
13:05:28wodz[Saint]: That is a bit puzzling. I would expect it to be more resource hungry than current compressor.
13:07:00[Saint]All the tests were with default settings apart from turning the compressor on in both w/DSP cases (to the minimum threshold).
13:07:19[Saint]And yes, it puzzled me too.
13:34:14wodz[Saint]: As of whitespace, you know, you can do this as well :-)
13:34:43[Saint]I can but then I have to steal his task.
13:35:19wodzwell, that is how I understand collaboration using gerrit
13:35:23[Saint]..and then I would *still* have to poke someone to submit it.
13:35:31[Saint]So, someone else should probably do it.
13:36:48wodzWhile I am willing to push submit button if I am convinced about the change, I am not so on fixing whitespace in the patch with feature I don't care
13:36:59[Saint]If I could commit directly I would just push straight from my tree after adding the dude to the credits.
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14:44:34[Saint]can someone help me write this a bit better please?
14:44:36[Saint]"The \setting{Attack Time} setting sets the time difference in ms between the input signal exceeding the activation threshold and acting upon it."
14:46:17[Saint]...or is that ok?
14:46:34[Saint]Its technically correct, but it seems rather lacking in detail.
14:52:58[Saint] do I steal someone elses gerrit task? What is the format for the commit message?
14:54:21copper[Saint]: … sets the time delay in milliseconds
14:56:07copperThe attack time setting sets the delay in milliseconds before acting upon the input signal exceeding the activation threshold.
15:02:15[Saint]Ok, huzzah, figured it out.
15:02:30[Saint]DOes someone want to push the go-button on g#626 please?
15:02:32fs-bluebotGerrit review #626 at : Remake of DSP Compressor: Sidechain, Exponential Atk/Rls by Ryan Billing by Hayden Pearce (changes/26/626/2)
15:04:25[Saint]Hmmm, actually, it probably needs someone with a sensitive ear to ABX it.
15:04:43[Saint]...and general subjective listening tests.
15:05:01[Saint] seem to like sound things.
15:05:50coppernah I'm pretty bad at ABXing stuff
15:06:39[Saint]Well, a general "doesn't make it sound awful" test'd be good too.
15:07:46[Saint]My hearing has gone downhill in the past few years.
15:08:35[Saint]That, and I have a massive pimple in my ear presently making my UE customs too painful to wear, and that would be my only hope of hearing a difference.
15:09:40coppermaybe later, I gotta go
15:10:53[Saint]Any objections to me adding *.patch to .gitignore?
15:11:44*gevaerts always call such files .diff
15:12:11gevaertsAnd yes, I do have objections
15:12:31[Saint]Any objections to me adding *.diff and *.patch to .gitignore? :)
15:12:37[Saint]Ok, do tell.
15:12:52[Saint]Ohhhh, right, I see why...hmmm.
15:13:07gevaertsNot sure yet. It all depends on whether lib/rbcodec/codecs/libwmavoice/wmavoice_mainbuild.patch is an accident or not :)
15:13:26gevaertsDefinitely no .diff in the www repository's gitignore though
15:13:29[Saint]Yes, just found that myself.
15:14:23gevaertswmavoice_mainbuild.patch is mentioned in lib/rbcodec/codecs/libwmavoice/README.rockbox, so it's clearly on purpose
15:15:42[Saint]I guess I could switch to .dff, .patch is only a force of habit.
15:16:23[Saint]I just almost sent in ~10 patches with my last commit to gerrit - of course, being careful is an option, but, meh.
15:18:05gevaertsYou should be careful and double-check every commit anyway :)
15:18:44[Saint]...good one. :)
15:18:54*gevaerts is actually serious
15:19:12gevaertsYou want to avoid unrelated changes you did yesterday to quickly test something
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15:27:32mortalis[Saint]: you changed commit's author. It would be nice if change it back.
15:27:51mortalisalso commit message in patch set 1 was much more detailed
15:28:18[Saint]I can't change the commit author, because I'm me.
15:28:27[Saint]I would have to be him to do that.
15:29:27[Saint]The reason I picked it up was because it had been sitting there for days waiting for whitespace changes. Who commits it doesn't matter, I added him to the credits.
15:29:29mortalisgit commit −−amend −−author "Ryan Billing<>"
15:29:38AlexPCould you not have another patch to fix whitespace? As it'd be nice to have the main work to be credited to the actaul author. Note I'm not saying you are trying to
15:29:47mortalisgit commit −−amend −−author="Ryan Billing<>"
15:29:54AlexPor that :)
15:30:19[Saint]Oh, I forgot about that. Ok, yep.
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15:30:38[Saint]...but I'm not pasting that wall of text :)
15:31:24[Saint]that syntax is incorrect.
15:32:22AlexPWhy not?
15:32:39AlexPThat was the commit message for the patch, and it looks to give useful details
15:32:58[Saint]it'll get cut down drastically.
15:33:15[Saint]I suppose if someone wants to view it on gerrit after the fact.
15:33:32[Saint]Yeah, ok. First I need to figure out why git is crying at me.
15:33:58AlexPI just don't see why the need to edit what the author put
15:35:11mortalis[Saint]: git commit −−amend −−author="Ryan Billing <>"
15:35:23[Saint]yeah, figured it out, thanks.
15:35:24mortalisspace between name and email
15:35:33[Saint]wasn't immediately obvious to me why it was failing.
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15:37:56[Saint]I can't do it.
15:38:09[Saint]I can't add an author that isn't my account.
15:38:33[Saint]"remote: ERROR: The following addresses are currently registered: remote: ERROR: my dot"
15:40:16[Saint]Its smart enough to know that I'm me.
15:41:14[Saint]So, I go back to: I can't, because I'm me - except I'm right this time(?)
15:41:44AlexPWe should ask torne :)
15:42:08mortalisworks for me
15:42:28fs-bluebotGerrit review #626 at : Remake of DSP Compressor: Sidechain, Exponential Atk/Rls by Ryan Billing by Ryan Billing (changes/26/626/3)
15:42:51[Saint] the?
15:42:57[Saint]Ok, nice, but how. :)
15:43:33mortalischeckout, amend and push
15:43:36mortalisthats all
15:43:37[Saint]You didn't add the commit message though ;)
15:44:29[Saint]all I did was amend and puch myself, but it wouldn't let me because my git config author field didn't match the one I was trying to set.
15:44:37gevaertsProbably related to access rights
15:44:55[Saint]Ah, direct committers only?
15:46:24[Saint]Makes some sense.
15:47:28[Saint]If anyone else wants to do test_codec runs with DSP on a clean and patched build on other PP targets, that'd probably be good too.
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16:05:22lorenzo92kugel: on gerrit the small modification needed for the encoders to be run on the simulator ;)
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16:27:41ikeboyWho's idea was it to use a signed int for the size variable
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16:40:32AlexPI assume there is some sort of git blame feature if you really want to know.
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17:01:30ikeboyWhich file would have the definitions?
17:02:49ikeboyI assume that the filesize can't be negative- did you see the pic I uploaded
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17:07:03saratogaa lot of fileio stuff is supposed to be signed so that you can return -1 for an invalid handle or whatever
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17:10:13ikeboywell that's a poor excuse for showing -3GB as the size of a folder
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17:14:14saratogathats obviously an error, but using signed at least let you know that something was wrong
17:15:31ikeboyWell clearly the return value was not checked, or it would give me an error
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17:47:19gevaertsThat doesn't follow
17:49:19gevaertsThat screenshot rather clearly shows something that's a *sum* of sizes, which means just using an unsigned value could just as easily go wrong
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18:03:07grawityIs it normal for rockbox to panic when it wants to tell me about the FTL remapping some block or other?
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18:11:02saratogathat probably means the FTL is screwed up, so i'd say a panic isn't a bad idea
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18:28:51grawityI thought that's just something that starts happening because of old age quite a bit before it actually screws up
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18:38:35ikeboygevaerts: If whatever variable that holds the sum of sizes was unsigned, this couldn't happen
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18:56:07gevaertsikeboy: no?
18:56:16gevaertsIt wouldn't overflow and give you meaningless numbers?
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20:00:49pamaurylebellium: ping
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20:41:43lebelliumpamaury: pong
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20:43:31lebelliumrasher: lorenzo ask if you have an error log for the YP-R0 sim?
20:44:44rasherlebellium: I don't, but I'll see if I can try replicating it manually
20:45:56lebelliumok thanks
20:47:01rasherlebellium: What target is that? I only see YH-820, YH-920, YH-925 and YP-S3?
20:47:36lebelliumnumber 205
20:47:39lebelliumRaaA port :)
20:48:28rasherhm, could be why
20:53:48rasherFirst raaa target
20:55:19lebelliumI don't see another sim on your website for an RaaA target
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20:58:45lebelliumthank you rasher
20:59:01lebelliumI give it to lorenzo
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21:39:35pamaurylebellium: I've got a YP-P3
21:40:01pamaurythe unidentified chip 8819 on is MAX8819, a PMIC
21:41:44lebelliumYou're on a TCC7901 trip? Next one Cowon S9? ahaha :D
21:46:00lebelliumBTW, the screen is working fine? No dead touch area? That's a very common defect on this device
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22:06:00pamaurylebellium: not that I noticed
22:07:46pamaurybut the power button doesn't seem to work great
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23:11:32lorenzo92kugel (logs): unfortunately recording doesn't work on R0 :( the application tells me "invalid argument" even before configuring parameters, at opening....
23:29:27lorenzo92kugel: indeed, opening the capture *without* the playback before correctly sets up everything, unfortunately I screwed up something while developing tough haha
23:41:32[Saint]If I were to generate the binar{y|ies} (if required), is anyone interested in providing me with some subjective listening tests on g#626 please?
23:41:35fs-bluebotGerrit review #626 at : DSP Compressor: Sidechain, Exponential Atk/Rls by Ryan Billing (changes/26/626/4)
23:42:46[Saint]Gimme a PM or whatever with the target(s) required if you're up to the task.
23:45:36lorenzo92FM radio recording is on the way to be completed, unique feature compared to OF (lacks the recording completely)
23:45:46lorenzo92*ypr0 target
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23:47:13[Saint]The major feature ROckbox offers the YP-R0 is "Not being a steaming pile of shit" :)
23:47:32[Saint]The OF is *terrible*
23:47:44[Saint]...not the worst, but, terrible nonetheless.
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23:58:18saratogai don't see that listening tests are needed for that patch
23:58:31saratogaits a more well featured compressor, and the performance hit is acceptable
23:59:00[Saint]saratoga: actually, weirdly, there's a performance *gain*.

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