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#rockbox log for 2013-10-19

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01:52:24Partmediastill wondering why rockboxui exits with SIGUSR1...
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02:50:28LloreanSo, the wikipedia article says Rockbox is based on µClinux. I haven't been paying attention for a while, is there something I missed (or completely didn't understand while I was around)?
02:55:28*Partmedia wasn't aware that Rockbox = Linux
02:55:39LloreanAs far as I know we've always said Rockbox wasn't based on Linux
02:56:06PartmediaThere seems to be no change message on the edit?
02:56:15LloreanBut then, I've been away from the project for quite some time now, so you never know. I would've imagined a rebuild of that scale would've warranted 4.X though
02:57:08LloreanPeople seemed to get it wrong often in the past, so it's probably just the usual thing. I mean, iPodLinux was based on it, if I recall, and people seem to not understand that just because we shared code doesn't mean we're the same thing.
02:57:43PartmediaI'm fairly certain that Rockbox isn't Linux
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03:02:44LloreanOkay, I *think* I fixed it.
03:03:04*Llorean does not usually edit Wikipedia, and only saw the linux mention because he did a test voice-search with the term "Rockbox" and noticed the linux mention in the summary box.
03:03:48PartmediaLlorean, looks good!
03:05:13*Llorean wonders why people keep thinking Rockbox is Linux
03:05:28LloreanThe metadata even said busybox et all were available in the user space.
03:05:40PartmediaI noticed. I wish :p
03:07:58LloreanClearly our name should've been some recursive acronym that ends with NL for 's not Linux
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04:57:16wowanamehey, the tracker's PHP is bleeding
04:57:20wowanameWarning: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /home/
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04:57:21wowanamee 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /home/apache_chroot/sites/ on line 613 Thursday, 19 October 2006, 22:39 GMT
04:57:23wowanamethat's all
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12:53:05pamaurygevaerts: ping
12:56:57megal0maniacpamaury: Would you mind taking a look at g636 ? It just adds −−timeout=60 to wget commands
12:57:00fs-bluebotGerrit review #636 at : by (changes/36/636/1)
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12:59:41bertrikwhat happens after 60 seconds then?
12:59:54bertrikand what if the download is progressing, but just slow, taking more than 60 seconds?
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13:00:50megal0maniacbertrik: It only times out if the download doesn't progress for 60 seconds. Slow won't trigger a timeout
13:01:35megal0maniacThen it will retry the download, continuing if the server supports partial downloads, for x tries. Default value for tries is 20. Default value for timeout is 900 (15 minutes)
13:02:31pamaurywhy is this needed, is there a problem with the download of the toolchain ?
13:03:28megal0maniacMine stalled twice. It won't affect anyone if this doesn't happen, but it's a failsafe for those with lesser internet connections
13:04:47megal0maniac15 minutes is unreasonable. The server _does_ support partial downloads, so it makes more sense to try again from where it left off than to wait 15 minutes hoping it will come right. If it stalls, it typically stays stalled
13:05:03pamauryok, I guess it cannot hurt if the server supports partial downloads
13:05:46megal0maniacIt will benefit the Africans ;)
13:06:06fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision 6845f6c, 225 builds, 20 clients.
13:09:09megal0maniacCool. Dockstar is building sdl stuff like it should :)
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13:13:00megal0maniacI'm getting "Forbidden" when downloading binutils from Does that server belong to someone here?
13:13:28pamauryprobably not
13:14:49fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Build round completed after 524 seconds.
13:15:27gevaertsmegal0maniac: you can set GNU_MIRROR to something else and see if that helps
13:15:29gevaertspamaury: pong
13:15:51megal0maniacgevaerts: I shall. Also, speedy is sleeping again
13:16:00gevaertsmegal0maniac: possibly
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13:16:25gevaertsmegal0maniac: speedy is just fine :)
13:17:16gevaertsIt's just that for some insane reason (possibly related to me having adjusted the scores) the server decided to have it do full builds
13:17:54megal0maniacHaha! Okay. Dockstar mainly did wps stuff, so it isn't completely mad
13:18:34pamaurygevaerts: who can upload files to the server ? (bootloaders)
13:19:07gevaertspamaury: the usual procedure is to put them somewhere reachable and ask Zagor
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16:01:17megal0maniacGetting errors about "f_info not declared in this scope" while compiling ypr0 toolchain
16:02:02megal0maniacIs this a known issue? I know there are a number of funnies with compiling for that target
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16:13:41pamaurymegal0maniac: ask lebellium or lorenzo92 or maybe kugel ?
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17:25:31lebelliummegal0maniac: the R0 toolchain no longer works and noone knows how to fix it
17:25:58lebelliumyou may want to try instead
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17:26:04pamaurydid it change ?
17:26:51lebelliumI don't know. I only compiled it once early 2013 and it worked. I don't know when and why it stopped working
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17:29:56pamauryyeah, sound on the ZEN Mozaic \o/
17:31:53megal0maniaclebellium: It's just for the buildclient, don't have the device myself. But I'll try as soon as my server stops having the dumbs. Thanks :)
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18:24:16funmanpamaury: nice, doesn't this player has a speaker?
18:24:49funmannow we need UI to activate it :P
18:25:23lebelliumso that we have a UI ready for the Sny S545 and Samsung P3 then. Thank you pamaury :)
18:25:48pamaurywe have support for speaker in rockbox, I think, but I don't have code for the speaker yet: sadly the stmp3700 is the only stmp3xxx chip without speaker amplifier in the SoC, so I must find out the pin to toggle
18:26:32funmanwhich players do we support which have a speaker?
18:27:40pamauryI don't know, but our audio hardware api has some function for it
18:28:03funmanah the mixer
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18:28:37pamauryand grep suggest with have lang string and settings for it
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18:29:04pamauryhowever, I don't think we have something like automatic switching between speaker and headphone (if the target support headphone detect)
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18:36:17Lloreanpamaury: Is that something typically controlled by firmware? I always sorta assumed there'd just be a simple hardware switch that handled it somewhere.
18:36:40pamauryI don't know a single player where it is automatic
18:36:53LloreanAt least for simple devices. I can see where it'd be beneficial for something like a phone to play an alarm aloud even if you'd left headphones in when you fell asleep.
18:38:09pamauryUsually it is no done in hardware because the speaker amplifier is controlled by the SoC and also because of volume handling
18:38:33pamauryand finally because you might not want this switching to be automatic :)
18:39:02lebelliumOn the YP-P3 you have a setting with Automatic/Earphone/Speaker
18:39:41LloreanIn Rockbox it seems like it'd be another option alongside "pause on headphone unplug" so it's "pause, speaker, nothing"
18:39:46lebelliumon the NWZ-S545 you have a hardware key for speaker/earphone
18:39:59LloreanThen a manual setting elsewhere for just "speaker/earphone"
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18:52:52LloreanThe Gigabeat S is still "unstable"?
18:53:00LloreanNever got a good bootloader install solution?
18:54:14pamauryprobably no one wanted to do the work, I think it uses MTP, just as the Creatives
18:55:11LloreanI seem to recall that the blocking issue was that it required the .bin file that wasn't hosted anywhere official, but that we didn't feel comfortable hosting ourselves.
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18:59:57Zero_DiamondSo hey, I've got a bit of a situation over here with a Sansa e200 series.
19:00:12Zero_DiamondI charged it in my girlfriend's car and since I did this, now the filesystem is screwed up.
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19:01:00Zero_DiamondIt just hangs on loading for forever if I try to resume playback and plugging it into the computer indicates that both the player and the microSD have 0 free bytes and 0 byte capacities.
19:01:42Zero_DiamondRockbox tool doesn't even recognize the drive letter as existing.
19:03:04Zero_DiamondBut it was running just fine while plugged in in her car, so I can't imagine that it got fried or whatever.
19:04:44soapDoes /Windows/ recognize the drive letter as existing?
19:04:58Zero_DiamondYes, it shows up in My Computer, as I said.
19:05:00soap(or OSX or Linux or whatever PC OS you're using)
19:05:19soapas a drove letter? Or is it in MTP mode?
19:05:50Zero_DiamondIt shows up as a drive letter, yes.
19:06:01Zero_DiamondThe player is M: and the SD is N:
19:07:02soapand Rockbox Utility won't let you manually select the drive?
19:07:12Zero_DiamondIt doesn't appear in the list.
19:07:38soapNot that you should. The filesystem issues need to be addressed before you can expect RBUtil to cram a firmware file onto a 0 byte drive.
19:08:30Zero_DiamondThe SD card still works when tested with my reader, so it's definitely some sort of filesystem issue.
19:08:48Zero_DiamondI tried to check it out with testdisk, but it doesn't show up as an option in there either.
19:08:54soapI'm not sure I agree with that conclusion
19:09:16Zero_DiamondWell, I -hope- it's just a filesystem issue.
19:09:17soapif the card through the reader looks normal but the card in the player shows 0 bytes that sounds like the player is to blame.
19:10:35soaprockbox or original firmware?
19:10:44soape200 or e200 v2?
19:10:51Zero_Diamondv1, I think.
19:11:40Zero_DiamondI have a v2 in my desk drawer here, but the goddamn headphone jack came loose and got all finnicky and I made it worse trying to fix it :P
19:12:44Zero_DiamondSo I guess if the worst has really happened, I could transplant the working jack from this one
19:12:52Zero_DiamondSo long as I didn't screw it all up again
19:13:31soapDoes Rockbox work normally if you aren't plugged into the PC?
19:13:43Zero_DiamondOn the player, you mean?
19:14:10Zero_DiamondBecause no, it doesn't. As I said, it basically stalls out when I try to resume playback.
19:14:37Zero_DiamondOr view the filesystem.
19:14:53soapkinda like the filesystem is fucked.
19:14:58soapremove the SD card.
19:15:08soapIt likely is not to blame, but remove the variable.
19:15:21soapBoot the OF. Rockbox likely is not to blame, but remove the variable.
19:15:43soapthen connect to PC and use the windows check disk command line utility whatever it is called.
19:15:51soapyour flash is likely dead.
19:16:13Zero_Diamond... huh.
19:16:27Zero_DiamondNow it seems to be stalled at the Rockbox splash screen.
19:17:27soapyea, the bootloader probably can't load the OF because that part of the flash is dead
19:19:28Zero_DiamondThat's not a good thing.
19:21:05Zero_DiamondAssuming then that this means it's dead?
19:24:57soapMy best guess is that it is dead. You might want to brows the "e200 recovery" threads on the forums, but this set of symptoms does not sound good.
19:25:49Zero_DiamondI'm probably going to try and cannibalize the headphone jack into the older one then
19:25:59Zero_DiamondIt still works other than really bad muddy sound
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19:46:45pamaurydamned, there must be a power pin for the tuner on the ZEN/Mozaic/X-Fi but I can't find it by reverse engineering
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20:12:05DKRTechHello I had a question regarding my iPod Classic 7g 160gb I just purchased... I'm aware the version is marked "unstable", but still function. I read that you should change " cluster/sector size to 512" instead of the default rockbox settings, to keep it working right... Does anyone know how I can do that?
20:13:19[Saint]You don't need to do anything of the sort.
20:13:35[Saint]emCORE installation should set up the disk for you.
20:13:57DKRTechBut once Rockbox is installed on the 160gb classic 7G, i don't need to change the cluster/sector?
20:15:38DKRTechok thank you Saint...
20:15:56DKRTechI appericate the advice.
20:23:44DKRTechSaint, is the ipod classic 160gb 7G(even unstable) ran the same as apple's default settings? Battery Life
20:24:07DKRTechand the settings as far as song size, buffering is concerned
20:24:56[Saint]If its valid audio - it'll play, buffer is variable, battery life isn't /too/ far off the OF.
20:26:03[Saint]Oh - sorry, it doesn't seem to like the extreme APE test files I throw at it - but then, nothing does, so, meh.
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20:36:38[7]lol, you can't even set the sector/cluster size below 4K on a rockboxed classic :)
20:36:50[7]and that's for a good reason
20:37:37[Saint]"...but...but...I read somewhere!"
20:38:34[Saint]We're all just "guys on the internet who say stuff", I guess "who do I listen to?" isn;t an immediately obvious question.
20:39:19[Saint]Which is a shame, as there is a _tonne_ of Rockbox-related lies all over the audiophilesque sites. :-S
20:55:19Zero_DiamondJust a head's up−−I successfully transplanted my headphone jack from my e200v1 into my e200v2 and it works great.
20:55:25Zero_DiamondThanks for help with the diagnosis, soap.
20:55:38Zero_DiamondHopefully I won't have to come bug you guys again for a long time!
20:56:37[Saint]e200, rockin' it oldschool, yo.
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22:00:29lebelliumpamaury: why can't you access what's under the battery?
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23:04:40pamaurylebellium: there is a very hard to remove sticker
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23:29:11saratogaI really want to know how these "prison edition" clips work
23:29:37saratogaapparently they do not accept normal firmware fiiles, but can be converted by the government or one of its vendors into a normal clip for a fee
23:30:21[Saint]someone dropped a firmware of one in here a while back.
23:30:56*lebellium slaps lebellium
23:31:02*lebellium slaps me
23:31:04[Saint]I don't have the logs myself, not that far back, but I'm sure someone does.
23:31:18lebelliumhum wrong chan sorry
23:32:04saratogahow would they get the firmware file?
23:32:11saratogashort the memory and dump the NAND?
23:32:38[Saint]Yeah, I believe so.
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23:34:20[Saint]saratoga: ^
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23:34:29[Saint]my Google-fu is strong today.
23:34:35saratogayeah i'm downloading that bin now
23:35:31saratogareally curious how he got this file
23:36:39saratogai should really update the dev virtualbox image to something newer
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23:40:13saratogaok i guess that is a NAND dump because it looks like the header isn't there
23:41:02saratogaoh wait
23:41:04saratogano it is
23:41:08saratogajust our tools don't undertand it
23:45:45saratogahuh it claims to be "V01.03.23"
23:45:52saratogawhich is not a known firmware version
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23:46:52saratogait also has an AAC decoder, which i thought the clip+ did not?
23:48:21[Saint]its not supposed to, no.
23:48:25[Saint]nice find.
23:48:43[Saint]the Zip was the first to support AAC out of the box, as far as I knew.
23:48:48[Saint]Wikipedia seems to agree with me.
23:49:26[Saint]saratoga: Hmmmm -
23:50:01[Saint]bah, nevermind.
23:50:53[Saint]that is cool - secret-sauce aac on a prison-clip.
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23:53:28saratogathe firmware branch has a different number than the clip+ usually do
23:53:43saratogathey might have just taken the zip branch
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23:53:50saratogawhich would explain the AAC
23:54:01saratogano idea if its actually enabled, but it looks like they compiled in at least some AAC bits
23:55:14saratoga if anyone wants a look
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23:56:58saratogai guess since this is probably dumped from NAND, our tool doesn't parse it
23:57:13saratogabecause it doesn't get copied exactly when flashed?
23:57:17saratogamaybe funman would know?
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