#rockbox 2013-11-05

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00:00:06	bluebrother^	no problem
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00:17:37	K1773R	what should i do if the automatic installer fails to detect the ipod and even the manual way it dosnt detect it? its mounted nicely and i can use it as usual
00:19:12	[Saint]	...I'm not even sure that is possible.
00:19:18	gevaerts	Put a log of what rockbox utility says on a pastebin
00:19:24	[Saint]	If it is mounted, it has a mount point, and you can specify this manually.
00:19:32	*	gevaerts asks bluebrother^ to remind us again how to get that log :)
00:19:45	[Saint]	Autodetection of the mount point failing is not uncommon.
00:19:56	[Saint]	But if its mounted, you can specify the mount point manually.
00:20:57	gevaerts	What sort of ipod is it?
00:21:10	K1773R	[Saint]: i did select the mountpoint correctly
00:21:27	K1773R	gevaerts: 4th gen (gray)
00:21:46	gevaerts	Which operating system are you using?
00:21:51	*	gevaerts bets it's a permissions issue
00:21:57	[Saint]	K1773R: so "and even the manual way it dosnt detect it?" is errouneous, or poor wording choice?
00:22:32	K1773R	il show the output of both tools
00:22:40	[Saint]	And, yes. My initial guess is that you're not Admin.
00:22:56	K1773R	i am
00:23:21	K1773R	the GUI installer tells me "Error reading partition table", its run as root of course too
00:23:28	[Saint]	You'll need to show us the output of RbUtils system trace, then.
00:24:41	K1773R	where can i find this systrace?
00:25:15	[Saint]	Help / Troubleshoot / System Trace
00:25:42	[Saint]	Please use something like pastebin et al to post the result.
00:28:19	K1773R	http://pastebin.com/j6Lgt9Ge
00:29:48	K1773R	for the manual try, i followed the manual
00:30:26	K1773R	s/manual try/manual installation/
00:30:39	gevaerts	K1773R: can you provide the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdb?
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00:32:42	K1773R	gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/AH9Yu7Dc, in case you wonder its a custom HD due to the old failing, it worked until to some point. after repartioning (including new partition table), it still didnt work (tough no i was able to mount it atleast)
00:33:04	gevaerts	Ah, right, that won't work
00:33:22	gevaerts	You'll need to have the apple firmware working before installing
00:33:40	[Saint]	Indeed.
00:33:46	[Saint]	You've wiped out the OF partition.
00:33:50	gevaerts	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore should help with that, if you don't have a windows box with itunes handy
00:33:51	K1773R	ie installing the apple firmware onto this disk? any good references to follow?
00:33:58	K1773R	ty
00:34:04	[Saint]	Restore with iTunes, then rinse and repeat the installation.
00:34:14	[Saint]	or the above link.
00:34:27	[Saint]	I advocate using the iTunes method, personally.
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00:34:33	[Saint]	Its guaranteed to not mess it up.
00:34:47	gevaerts	itunes (not on a mac, you don't want a mac-formatted ipod!) is easiest, but that's not always an option
00:35:14	K1773R	well, then its the manual restore (as i dont have winblows anywhere around me)
00:35:18	K1773R	il report back
00:35:18	[Saint]	Remeber, you MUST have an original charger to restore this device.
00:35:35	[Saint]	If you don't have a wall charger for this device on hand, don't restore it.
00:35:58	[Saint]	USB/firewire charger won't work.
00:36:30	K1773R	ugh, that sounds creepy. in case the power goes off, its dead i assume unless im able to do it in time?
00:37:03	gevaerts	[Saint]: are you sure about that? I'm not convinced restoring the OF always tries reflashing
00:37:03	[Saint]	Well, no. There's no risk.
00:37:15	[Saint]	The installation just needs a wall charger to complete.
00:37:39	[Saint]	gevaerts: I'm sure.
00:37:57	[Saint]	Restoring a 4G always requires charger connection to complete.
00:38:01	gevaerts	ok
00:38:22	[Saint]	I'm by no means saying its sane.
00:38:27	[Saint]	Its just what Apple did. :)
00:39:05	[Saint]	I guess there's the potential for the flash to fail if the device has a very low batter, since the screen being on and the drive spinning is enough to prevent it from charging over USB.
00:39:11	[Saint]	*battery
00:39:29	gevaerts	Well, requiring a charger before flashing early boot code is sane
00:39:49	gevaerts	It's just that wanting to flash that code all the time isn't needed, really
00:40:02	[Saint]	Indeed.
00:40:34	gevaerts	And I don't know if that's a generic thing, or just itunes-enforced, in part because I don't actually own a 4G
00:40:45	gevaerts	But if you do, then that's all we need :)
00:41:17	[Saint]	Unfortunately even if you do a manual restore it will still pause the installation and ask you to complete it with a wall charger.
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00:59:36	K1773R	done, il retry the automatic installation now
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01:02:24	K1773R	thanks, installation worked!
01:04:10	[Saint]	Huzzah.
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08:47:12	K1773R	can you change the sorting options (i havent found it if it exists)? im trying to achieve that if i select all tracks its being sorted by "album, tracknumber" not just alphabetically.
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10:30:01	mortalis\|2	Zagor: Could you please upload bootloaders?
10:30:02	mortalis\|2	https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1nI4rgGNPbtQjFKeGxkUVQyR0U/edit?usp=sharing
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10:30:53	Zagor	will do
10:31:28	K1773R	can you change the sorting options (i havent found it if it exists)? im trying to achieve that if i select all tracks its being sorted by "album, tracknumber" not just alphabetically.
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10:33:17	gevaerts	K1773R: not in the file browser
10:34:56	pixelma_	I guess you mean in the database? If so then maybe a custom tagnavi file could achieve that (not 100% sure though), have a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebHome?topic=DataBase
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10:35:34	K1773R	gevaerts: im talking about the database view
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10:35:45	gevaerts	In that case, yes, you can :)
10:35:51	K1773R	how :)
10:36:05	gevaerts	Read pixelma's reply :)
10:36:39	*	gevaerts doesn't understand the basic purpose of the database, so he won't be of much help
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10:37:22	K1773R	oh, i missed that. im sry pixelma
10:37:52	copper	gevaerts: uh?
10:38:29	copper	browsing a music collection from different angles
10:38:48	gevaerts	copper: I personally don't have any need for that
10:38:51	copper	e.g. by genre or year
10:39:37	gevaerts	The people who designed tags helpfully only provided one genre for all my music, and I don't feel like doing all that work myself
10:39:51	copper	"classical"?
10:40:02	gevaerts	And year, well, I don't care about the recording year which is what's usually in there :)
10:40:04	gevaerts	Yes
10:40:56	gevaerts	If you look at the original id3v1 genre list (I know, obsolete and not used any more, but still...), there are some genres in there that I suspect don't even have an entire album
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10:41:05	gevaerts	But then they have "classical"
10:41:08	gevaerts	Idiots
10:41:21	copper	I understand that the database may not be useful to you personally, but surely you understand its purpose and usefulness
10:42:07	pixelma	on a different note... WPS syntax, maybe [Saint] knows, but: I was under the impression that in this %Vp "playlist viewer" a negative offset would work and could show me the previous tracks but after a first try it looks like it doesn't.
10:42:19	copper	sometimes I know I want to listen to some metal, or electronic music, or progressive rock, and then I select an artist from the list
10:42:33	gevaerts	copper: right, I don't understand any of that ;)
10:42:34	copper	or, I want to listen to something recent, so I browse by year
10:43:34	*	pixelma is currently looking for ideas for her phone's WPS, has an idea, finds out that it won't be possible to achieve that, then losing interest again, and starting again after a while
10:43:41	copper	my raw list of artists is too long for me to be able to quickly make a choice about what I'd like to listen to
10:44:37	copper	even though my collection isn't all that large
10:44:53	copper	253 artists
10:45:12	copper	243*
10:46:55	copper	album artists* (not counting other artists from compilations or collaborations)
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11:08:41	wodz	I looked at the extending elfloader to support symbol resolution. One solution is to use the scheme employed in linux kernel modules. Thats pretty straight forward (although I am sure there are some details which will take time to get right).
11:09:21	wodz	eCos uses very similar approach but doesn't allow for 'symbol export' from modules
11:10:25	wodz	The only real problem I see is simulator/hosted target probably as our macros mangle names heavily to avoid name collisions.
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11:14:13	wodz	nm -g rockbox.elf gives ~1700 symbols. Plugin api is ~700 symbols.
11:15:40	wodz	With symbol resolution in place we could have equivalent of dlopen, dlsym and load parts of the code on demand.
11:16:47	wodz	What will be needed for this to be of any use is ability to dynamically allocate space which will not move.
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11:31:20	wodz	gevaerts: Any thoughts about things I outlined?
11:32:05	gevaerts	Not really. I mean, I'm really no expert on this...
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11:33:49	wodz	gevaerts: I mean from general point of view. Do you see dlopen,dlsym mechanisms as useful options for splitting core into smaller pieces?
11:33:57	gevaerts	Well, probably
11:34:05	wodz	or maybe do you see splitting itself as desired
11:34:27	gevaerts	As in dynamic swapping?
11:35:37	wodz	well, there is long way to something like this I guess. But who knows how pamaury will explore such possibility :-)
11:36:04	gevaerts	I don't really see that working without an MMU, and most of our devices won't magically grow one of those :)
11:36:46	wodz	those targets which would benefit from swapping do have mmu
11:37:28	gevaerts	All of them?
11:37:32	wodz	anyway thats slightly beyond my interest
11:37:36	gevaerts	Anyway, there's also latency and things
11:37:56	wodz	sure
11:37:59	gevaerts	If you do dlopen()-like things, you can know you're not interfering with e.g. buffering
11:38:46	gevaerts	(if you do it properly)
11:39:19	gevaerts	I'm not convinced that that sort of guarantee is easy to achieve with a swapping/paging approach
11:39:35	gevaerts	Of course, paging means you don't need to refactor all of apps/ ...
11:40:36	wodz	I would not talk now about swapping/paging. I would concentrate now if we would like to split parts of code and turn it into on-demand loadable modules.
11:41:00	wodz	paging is maybe on horizon but not my primary target
11:41:46	gevaerts	I'd definitely like that splitting off, also for reasons totally unrelated to loadable modules
11:42:09	*	gevaerts still dreams of a CLI rockbox with a http interface to control it :)
11:42:29	gevaerts	And the streaming network audio output, of course
11:43:54	wodz	sounds very much like warble + http interface + http streaming audio backend
11:44:54	gevaerts	Doesn't warble drop most of the playlist stuff?
11:44:59	gevaerts	I do want that
11:45:18	wodz	don't know
11:47:42	gevaerts	Right. Warble doesn't use anything from apps/
11:48:01	gevaerts	So it's just codec stuff, which is only a very small part of what I care about
11:51:12	markun	I also would love a rockbox based CLI player (but mostly care about codecs, replaygain and gapless playback)
11:52:25	gevaerts	For gapless playback, you need more than one track, which means you need playlists :)
11:53:20	gevaerts	What I basically want is a thing with one playlist, a way to edit that playlist (the usual insert/add/queue stuff), and party mode
11:56:58	wodz	Ok, I'll experiment with extending elfloader simply because it is fun. I am afraid however it will not gain much attention just as was with elfloader rotting on gerrit.
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14:13:13	[Saint]	pixelma: AFAIK, that should be possible - yes.
14:13:33	[Saint]	But, realistically, the Playlist Viewer seems to be somewhat of an afterthought.
14:13:46	[Saint]	You might need to poke JdGordon, that's his baby.
14:15:47	pixelma	an offset of -1 just gives me the info of the next song as if it ignores the "-"
14:15:51	[Saint]	k1
14:15:56	[Saint]	oops.
14:16:58	[Saint]	I _think_ this is possible.
14:17:10	[Saint]	It may well be its just broken itself from neglect.
14:18:37	[Saint]	K1773R: The simple solution for what you want to do is generate a playlist of all tracks from the root folder containing your audio.
14:19:56	[Saint]	Not exactly the same - otherwise, its a very trivial change to the tagnavi_custom.config file.
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14:21:44	[Saint]	gevaerts: FWIW - I use the Database, but, none of my audio has a genre tag, as, ...its just stupid.
14:22:07	[Saint]	Genre is so incredibly subjective it makes such little sense to include it if it isn't generated manually its not funny.
14:22:39	[Saint]	These days, pretty much everything gets "Alternative" - very useful.
14:22:48	copper	the biggest genre in my collection is "Other" :P
14:23:25	[Saint]	Picard doesn't even bother adding genre for this very reason I believe. Its largely bullshit. :)
14:25:25	*	[Saint] forgot to add that how useful K1773R finds his suggestion is largely dependent on how sane the file naming scheme used is.
14:26:05	[Saint]	Its likely going to be pretty much useless if the filename doesn't include the album name as a prefix.
14:26:29	[Saint]	But, really, tagnavi_custom is the "right" solution here.
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14:31:28	K1773R	nah, not sorting by filename. sorting by tags in "album, title#" order
14:32:10	[Saint]	I think you're missing what I'm trying to say completely.
14:32:25	[Saint]	If your filenames were sane, the effect would be exactly the same.
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14:33:15	[Saint]	also, I thought you wanted album/track # sorting?
14:35:00	copper	"sane" filenames include the name of the album?
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14:36:14	[Saint]	I think so - otherwise singular files with no tags present very little information.
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14:37:15	[Saint]	There's no way of distinguising two or more tracks of the same name by different artists in that case.
14:43:31	pixelma	well, that could be part of the directory structure too... IMO file naming scheme is also a subjective thing
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14:44:01	[Saint]	pixelma: it could, yes. But then if you pick it up and move it, its useless.
14:44:31	*	[Saint] posits that people with little to no information in filenames are /probably/ Database users.
14:45:20	[Saint]	And, yes, it is.
14:45:32	copper	K1773R: do you want the first level of your database view to be artists?
14:45:54	copper	and when you select an artist, all tracks from that artist are displayed and sorted by album and tracknumber?
14:46:11	[Saint]	that's what I parsed, at least.
14:46:43	pixelma	then don't do that if you don't have them tagged correctly. ;) It's just that I don't like "artist - album - title - whatever" filenames because they are too long to spot the actual difference in a long list, maybe you even have to wait for the line to scroll
14:47:50	[Saint]	I keep it as a fallback in case for some reason I ever had to re-tag from filename.
14:48:01	pixelma	and I just didn't like calling something "sane", implying that if you don't do that it would be "insane"
14:49:11	[Saint]	Well, I suppose that's another subjective thing. :)
14:51:14	[Saint]	I'll admit it wasn't the best choice of words though, indeed.
14:51:31	copper	K1773R: something like this should work (save as /.rockbox/tagnavi_custom.config): https://outpost.fr/tmp/I9b.txt
14:51:53	copper	the "All tracks" database functionality can't be changed, as far as I know
14:52:17	[Saint]	not through tagnavi_custom, no.
14:52:19	copper	instead you just go in "Album Tracks", select an artist, and that will display all tracks from that artist, sorted by album title and tracknumber
14:53:42	copper	feel free to rename "Album Tracks" with whatever you like
14:54:21	copper	er
14:54:31	copper	I should add support for discnumber, probably
14:55:02	copper	blah, that's the gist of it, anyway
14:55:32	K1773R	ty, il play with it
14:55:40	[Saint]	yeah, I was just going to mention that - that looks like it should do "01 - trackname, 01 - other trackname, etc.
14:55:56	[Saint]	Its trivial to figure out, you've given him/her a stepping stone at least.
14:56:27	copper	hmm?
14:56:45	copper	no, it does "album A - 01. Title"
14:56:50	copper	"album A - 02. Title"
14:56:54	copper	"album B - 01. Title"
14:56:56	copper	"album B - 02. Title"
14:57:30	copper	etc
14:57:58	[Saint]	But with multi-disc albums it would list the 1's, and 2's, and 3's etc. together, no?
14:58:07	copper	ah yes
14:58:24	[Saint]	Instead of 1 - 1, 1 - 2, etc.
14:59:04	copper	K1773R: https://outpost.fr/tmp/MY2.txt
14:59:09	copper	^^ includes discnumber
14:59:42	copper	that display 001 if there's no discnumber, 101 for discnumber=1, 201 for discnumber=2
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15:05:10	gevaerts	Zagor: no, that's gone. Bagder did a git gc on the server, which gerrit is supposed to do every now and then, but apparently that wasn't implemented yet in our version
15:05:16	gevaerts	The issue was "too many open files"
15:05:22	Zagor	aha
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15:05:45	gevaerts	There were 2000+ pack files, where there shou;ld be 50 or so at most
15:07:17	gevaerts	The problem had escalated to the point where none of the build clients still worked properly last night :)
15:07:29	gevaerts	Hence the 82 minute build round
15:08:43	[Saint]	some git commands are supposed to automatically run git-gc as well.
15:09:07	gevaerts	Well yes, but none of those are ever run on the server
15:09:36	gevaerts	The read-only git-server doesn't run them, and the other side is gerrit, which didn't do it in this version
15:09:58	[Saint]	I think you could also push gc.autopacklimit up high enough to prevent this from happening again.
15:10:06	[Saint]	But, that's not really a fix. More avoidance.
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15:11:03	gevaerts	Uh, how would that make any difference?
15:12:22	[Saint]	Errr, I meant down, not up - sorry. And it would consolidate pack files, you said the issue was there were too many?
15:13:01	gevaerts	Yes, but what exactly would do the gc?
15:13:59	[Saint]	Isn't there an −−auto flag?
15:14:02	gevaerts	Where?
15:15:05	gevaerts	The point is that push operations that normally would do the auto gc stuff are not run by git-server but by gerrit which for our setup uses a version of jgit that doesn't do gc
15:15:26	gevaerts	So you can configure all you want, it will quite literally achieve nothing at all
15:16:02	gevaerts	As soon as Zagor upgrades gerrit, this will be fixed. Until then, we'll just have to poke someone to run git gc every two years or so
15:18:32	[Saint]	Assuming a case where gerrit wasn't going to get upgraded, couldn't git gc be added as a git hook?
15:19:01	[Saint]	or to an existing hook?
15:19:22	gevaerts	Well, you could just set it in cron then :)
15:19:34	[Saint]	Well, yes. :)
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20:10:31	pamaury	lebellium: bad news, I'm in Portugal and I didn't receive the Zen X-Fi Style on time, so I might not be able to hack on it before a month
20:18:26	[Saint]	Happy Portugal, pamaury :)
20:20:48	lebellium	pamaury: no problem, have a good time in Portugal
20:21:52	pamaury	thanks
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22:14:56	gevaerts	Grrrr
22:15:41	gevaerts	Zagor: this newline thing is starting to get a bit annoying
22:15:53	Zagor	:-(
22:15:54	gevaerts	Attachments on flyspray are affected
22:16:01	*	gevaerts tries to rebuild this image
22:17:01	gevaerts	1092 lines removed, and it's a jpg :)
22:18:33	gevaerts	Bah, this is a long time ago... I once knew usb...
22:27:12	gevaerts	Just to make sure, the clip zip doesn't always fail to connect to windows, does it?
22:29:57	lebellium	mine does :D
22:30:01	lebellium	well maybe not always
22:30:22	gevaerts	That's the thing I want to know...
22:30:55	lebellium	with cabbiev2 it works sometimes, for sure
22:31:03	gevaerts	OK
22:33:00	*	gevaerts is looking at FS #12910
22:33:01	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12910 Sansa zip clip fails to enumerate over USB under Windows. (bugs, unconfirmed)
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22:34:22	lebellium	I can't see the attached pic, it contains errors :(
22:34:27	gevaerts	I must admit that I had totally forgotten about that 0xEE string descriptor, which does indeed make working with Windows a bit more demanding (on linux you basically never have to deal with STALL in normal circumstances)
22:34:39	gevaerts	Yes, you have to cut out the empty lines at the start...
22:34:41	gevaerts	Wait
22:35:23	gevaerts	http://www.hostname.be/sansa.JPG and http://www.hostname.be/sansa2.JPG
22:35:46	gevaerts	much more useful than screenshots of yellow triangle icons :)
22:36:04	lebellium	:)
22:37:52	*	gevaerts wants the USB analyser those things were made with more than those screenshots though
22:38:28	gevaerts	Still, it points to a possibly unreliable STALL handling in the driver
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22:42:59	gevaerts	TheSeven: is there a datasheet for this s3c6400x controller somewhere?
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22:43:31	gevaerts	I want to see if it says anything about clearing STALL conditions
22:46:01	gevaerts	Hmmm
22:47:33	*	gevaerts finds a datasheet
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22:51:12	gevaerts	lebellium: do you happen to have some time for testing some random guesses?
22:51:55	lebellium	hum, why not, that can't be less interesting than the TV program :)
22:52:02	gevaerts	Good :)
22:52:17	gevaerts	I assume you'd prefer me to do builds?
22:53:18	*	gevaerts remembers that his web host place is silly and uses file caching, so this will require some thought starting with the second build!
22:53:23	lebellium	I should be able to do it myself with my ubuntu vm
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22:53:48	gevaerts	Well
22:53:49	gevaerts	Hmmm
22:54:04	gevaerts	I'd have to upload patches then, which really isn't going to be that much faster
22:54:10	lebellium	indeed :)
22:54:28	gevaerts	http://www.hostname.be/sansa.bin
22:54:32	gevaerts	No
22:54:37	gevaerts	http://www.hostname.be/rockbox.sansa
22:55:17	gevaerts	Just check if that seems to be a bit more stable when connecting
22:55:31	gevaerts	I'm not hoping for a full sudden fix of everything :)
22:55:59	*	gevaerts only uploads (and builds) the main binary because this doesn't involve codecs or plugins at all
22:56:42	lebellium	I just connected my Clip Zip to the computer with cabbivev2 and it worked hehe. Now I try with your file
22:58:04	gevaerts	Something in my mind still somehow doesn't want to believe this theme link :)
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23:00:57	lebellium	for now it works everytime but it takes longer to get connected with my theme than with cabbiev2 for sure
23:02:39	lebellium	ah finally one fail :)
23:03:11	gevaerts	Boo! :)
23:03:21	gevaerts	Of course it's hard to say what this all means
23:03:22	wodz	Small success :-) I successfully forced iriver e150 to enter adfu mode and then reflashed the player with different version of the OF using windows tool. I have wireshark logs of the session so now I'll have to make some sense of this.
23:04:37	lebellium	gevaerts: it's hard to say if it's better than before
23:04:52	gevaerts	OK, so I'm going to assume "no difference"
23:05:05	wodz	From the first glance a few first steps are inline with s1mp3 description of hard ADFU mode. Memory address makes sense too.
23:06:03	lebellium	2 fails now :(
23:07:41	[Saint]	I don't want to believe the theme link either, but many people seem to be able to replicate it.
23:08:00	lebellium	I reverted back to cabbiev2 and now it works again.
23:08:30	[Saint]	Perhaps I would see it if I used Windows more than once ever blue moon. But people have claimed to see it on Linux as well..so
23:08:35	*	[Saint] shrugs
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23:11:11	gevaerts	I'm wondering now if themes might introduce slight timing differences somehow
23:11:52	lebellium	I hate when it works with my theme 3 times, then stops working and won't work again :(
23:12:08	[Saint]	gevaerts: Ooooohhh...nice theory.
23:12:57	gevaerts	These theme corelations were noticed on more than one device, right?
23:13:03	gevaerts	*rr
23:13:09	[Saint]	Yes.
23:13:33	gevaerts	Can you remember which ones?
23:13:40	gevaerts	or some of them, anyway
23:13:47	gevaerts	I know AMSv2 is in there
23:14:14	[Saint]	iPod Video was the evry first one to be affected repeatably.
23:14:21	[Saint]	...well, the first known target, anyway.
23:14:28	[Saint]	Remember that Terminal theme?
23:14:40	[Saint]	(pretty sure you did the early debugging there)
23:15:38	gevaerts	Was that a usb correlation?
23:16:18	[Saint]	Perhaps I'm misremembering, but my understanding was that it reliably broke USb mounting.
23:16:33	gevaerts	I remember debugging with a theme that might have been terminal, but that was a long time ago and involved the playlist viewer thing breaking something inside the playback engine
23:17:17	[Saint]	Ah, right. Hmmm. Ok - scratch that then, since I'm now doubting myself.
23:17:30	gevaerts	What I'm after really is if two different controllers have the same themes break them
23:17:49	[Saint]	Users say the Classic gets hit by this theme/USB thing, but its hard to say there as USB is pretty reliably broken on Windows at the best of times.
23:17:56	gevaerts	Because if so, that makes the timing hypothesis a bit doubtful
23:18:03	[Saint]	Right.
23:19:02	gevaerts	classic/amsv2, sure. Don't they share the driver?
23:20:26	[Saint]	I'm not sure, pretty sure the N2G uses the same one.
23:21:02	gevaerts	ipod6g.h defines USBOTG_S3C6400X
23:21:05	gevaerts	So yes
23:23:26	gevaerts	Does the theme engine clean stuff up before connecting, or does it just forget about any previous allocations after disconnect?
23:24:11	[Saint]	JdGordon: ^
23:26:33	gevaerts	(because that too can easily discount the timing hypothesis)
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23:37:34	TheSeven	gevaerts: I think the best one is the STM32F4 series datasheet, which uses a slightly different version of the core
23:38:04	TheSeven	some of the undocumented constant-value bits (such as PHY interface type etc.) are different on ipods
23:38:18	TheSeven	I have a driver that supports both
23:38:25	gevaerts	Right
23:39:16	gevaerts	I've been looking at the S3C6400X datasheet for now, and it seems to say that clearing the STALL bit should only be done on non-control endpoints
23:39:28	gevaerts	It doesn't seem to actually matter though
23:40:01	gevaerts	The thing is that FS #12910 may indicate a possible issue with STALL handling
23:40:02	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12910 Sansa zip clip fails to enumerate over USB under Windows. (bugs, unconfirmed)
23:42:11		Quit Strife89 (Quit: Vamoose)
23:47:03	TheSeven	gevaerts: the STALL bit gets cleared automatically when it receives a SETUP packet, that's why it shouldn't be cleared manually on control EPs, and should actually be set after completing a control transaction
23:47:46	TheSeven	see http://websvn.freemyipod.org/filedetails.php?repname=freemyipod&path=%2Fumsboot%2Fsrc%2Fcore%2Fsynopsysotg%2Fsynopsysotg.c for details
23:47:52	gevaerts	TheSeven: well, ep_transfer() seems to set it on OUT
23:47:59	gevaerts	*clear
23:48:28	*	gevaerts promises not to mix up clear and set in this conversation any more
23:50:01	TheSeven	hm, I guess it is already cleared at that stage
23:50:50	gevaerts	Well, for control it should
23:51:09	TheSeven	yes, that's I meant
23:51:15	TheSeven	"Device is hung after the failure" in an interesting piece of information
23:57:06		Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
23:57:13	[Saint]	Oh - I thought of another target with USB issues, not sure what usb controller it has, though.
23:57:24	[Saint]	Those Samsung app targets.
23:57:31	[Saint]	USB/theme issues.
23:57:37	gevaerts	Ah, right
23:57:49	gevaerts	Yes, not related to this STALL thing at all
23:58:02	gevaerts	But yes, the theme thing has been seen on them
23:58:39	TheSeven	gevaerts: that behavior suggests that either the CNAK or EPENA bits aren't properly set after receiving the SETUP after the STALL, or that the firmware is just locking up somewhere before doing so

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