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#rockbox log for 2013-11-06

00:00:12	TheSeven	could also be that it isn't reacting to the SETUP received IRQ at all
00:00:32	TheSeven	so it might already have locked up very shortly after asserting the STALL
00:01:03	TheSeven	maybe just print something to the display when receiving a request for string descriptor 3, and check if that point is being reached?
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00:02:05	gevaerts	Hmmm, we should be able to do some tests with a fake USB driver that doesn't do anyhing except requesting exclusive disk access. If that still locks up the device, things would be more clear
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00:05:54	JdGordon	gevaerts: skin enging e should clean up before connection
00:06:12	gevaerts	OK
00:06:52	gevaerts	Hmmm, what about shutdown?
00:08:51	gevaerts	If it were an issue with general theme cleanup as such, it almost has to be with something not being cleaned up in time and still being going on after USB stuff is happening. Otherwise I'd expect issues with switching themes as well
00:09:37	JdGordon	didnt someone has switching issues also?
00:09:47	*	JdGordon hasnt read much backlog
00:10:09	gevaerts	And the fact that this is seen on both regular ports with a proper USB driver and these hybrid application ports seems to rule out pure timing issues
00:10:48	gevaerts	Well, maybe. None of those have been mentioned today, and my memory isn't good enough to remember any reports from earlier...
00:11:02	gevaerts	Still, lebellium is here to try :)
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00:12:22	lebellium	what hybrid application port?
00:12:38	gevaerts	Hmm, wait
00:12:42	*	gevaerts is confused now!
00:12:57	JdGordon	well, skin_unload_all() is called, but maybe something is wierd when the viewports are intiialised a bit further on
00:13:00	lebellium	the YP-R0 has no USB connection in Rockbox
00:13:30	gevaerts	lebellium: which player did you have your first USB/theme issues on?
00:13:47	gevaerts	IIRC it was something samsung-like, or the theme was, anyway
00:14:37	lebellium	the player has always been clip zip. And my theme is called "samsung-like" on any target :)
00:15:17	lebellium	but I had theme (not USB) issues on YP-R0 I guess
00:15:27	gevaerts	OK
00:15:57	gevaerts	Anyway, does switching themes (including away from your theme) on the zip work reliably for you?
00:17:22	lebellium	Well switching themes works with a reboot. Without reboot sometimes or often something like the background is not loaded properly
00:18:11	gevaerts	Hmmm
00:18:47	gevaerts	Not sure if that counts as serious enough to be cause trouble for USB, but I'm also not convinced it's not
00:20:07	gevaerts	It's still a bug though
00:21:29	[Saint]	Its a fairly recent one, too.
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00:21:54	[Saint]	This definitely used to work, but I have noticed backdrops failing to apply occasionally myself.
00:21:57	wowaname	h saint
00:22:08	wowaname	having trouble copying files to ipod classic with rsync
00:22:24	wowaname	rsync: recv_generator: mkdir "/media/iPodClassic/music/Heliogabal/チュニック" failed: Input/output error (5)
00:22:26	wowaname	for example
00:22:46	[Saint]	...that's not FAT legal, is it?
00:22:57	wowaname	worked fine before
00:23:11	wowaname	it's not the filename trust me
00:23:37	[Saint]	Either way, this isn't exactly Rockbox related.
00:23:43	wowaname	it may be
00:23:43	[Saint]	This is generic unix support.
00:23:52	wowaname	my question is where the error is
00:24:03	wowaname	because classic is known for iffy usb support
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00:24:37	[Saint]	It either works or it doesn't. It doesn't drop packets or exclude random files.
00:24:48	wowaname	ok
00:24:51	wowaname	it's not random though
00:25:02	wowaname	rsync just stops after failing enough
00:25:18	wowaname	i would do the whole log but won't for obvious reasons
00:25:28	[Saint]	as it should.
00:25:37	wowaname	i know
00:25:38	wowaname	but
00:25:41	wowaname	it should NOT fail
00:26:11	gevaerts	There's an easy way to see if you have USB issues
00:26:16	[Saint]	simple test, rename that folder, try again.
00:26:19	gevaerts	Does dmesg say you have them?
00:26:20	wowaname	it mounts
00:26:23	wowaname	ok [Saint]
00:27:00	wowaname	dmesg yes
00:27:04	wowaname	buffer i/o error on sdb
00:27:08	wowaname	sdb being ipod
00:27:54	[Saint]	How the...hmmm.
00:27:55	gevaerts	Just buffer io, or also actual USB errors?
00:28:04	wowaname	hold on i'm retrying something
00:28:12	gevaerts	Can you put the dmesg stuff on a pastebin?
00:28:18	wowaname	[Saint]» skipped folder and reached regular ASCII folder and it quit
00:28:19	wowaname	ok gevaerts
00:28:33	wowaname	lemme get a less crappy term
00:28:38	wowaname	to copypaste
00:29:06	[Saint]	At this point I'd be tempted to say its a local corruption issue.
00:29:22	wowaname	shit not again
00:29:30	wowaname	in that case... i'd have to reformate
00:29:35	wowaname	copy over 9001 files
00:29:44	wowaname	not a problem but just the idea
00:31:45	wowaname	i used xchat /exec so forgive me
00:31:48	wowaname	http://pastebin.com/cmEHcmtQ
00:32:28	[Saint]	Oh - aha, I see. I had some issue with one of the glyphs in that path, yes, it is indeed FAT legal. My mistake.
00:32:29	gevaerts	OK, that's not USB issues
00:32:39	wowaname	's ok [Saint]
00:32:42	wowaname	gevaerts» ok
00:32:47	gevaerts	It's good to see we actually report bad sectors properly these days :)
00:32:52	gevaerts	i.e. it's the disk
00:33:03	wowaname	so.. in short, format it?
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00:33:09	[Saint]	One of the characters looked suspiciously like a \ to me.
00:33:09	gevaerts	No
00:33:11	wowaname	ok
00:33:14	wowaname	lol saint
00:33:14	[Saint]	No, no no.
00:33:54	gevaerts	"Medium Error" means we can't read or write that block
00:34:04	wowaname	yes
00:34:15	wowaname	so as you said bad sector
00:34:35	wowaname	wait you're not saying...
00:34:36	[Saint]	throw chkdsk or fsck.vfat at it.
00:34:42	wowaname	ok
00:34:43	[Saint]	depending what OS you're on.
00:34:46	gevaerts	[Saint]: why?
00:35:09	wowaname	[Saint]» can't make a backup bootsector
00:35:13	gevaerts	We know there are bad sectors.
00:35:13	wowaname	therefore can't run fsck
00:35:16	wowaname	tried earlier
00:35:48	[Saint]	attempt to recover bad sectors?
00:35:52	wowaname	with what
00:36:06	K1773R	wowaname: your aware you can reformat it but first check the drive with badblocks, afterwards only use the good ones?
00:36:17	[Saint]	I know scanning for them is irrelevant, its the attempted recovery I was after.
00:36:20	wowaname	ok K1773R
00:36:33	wowaname	but how do i check if i cannot check
00:36:39	wowaname	catch 22
00:37:06	K1773R	its the -c switch for mkfs.vfat
00:37:14	wowaname	k
00:37:26	K1773R	also pass -v :)
00:37:28	wowaname	'd help to unmount :p
00:38:03	wowaname	V for verbose?
00:38:07	[Saint]	fwiw - these disks are well known for crapping the bed.
00:38:08	wowaname	is that what you are saying
00:38:09	K1773R	little v, not big
00:38:11	K1773R	and yes
00:38:11	wowaname	ok
00:38:21	wowaname	−−help says -V
00:38:23	wowaname	:/
00:38:29	K1773R	oh, different than mine then
00:38:38	wowaname	lolk
00:38:46	wowaname	>no medium found
00:38:47	wowaname	bullcrap
00:39:04	wowaname	wait i ran it on ./sdb
00:39:14	[Saint]	I have seen a couple of surface scan images of these disks with bad blocks stripped across the surface in an odd repeatable pattern.
00:39:16	wowaname	ya
00:39:18	[Saint]	Its actually kinda neat.
00:39:23	wowaname	damn
00:39:23	[Saint]	If you hate data.
00:39:28	wowaname	lol
00:39:36	wowaname	my old flashdrive was full of defects
00:40:16	wowaname	why is it saying /dev/sdb is not found
00:40:20	wowaname	it's clearly there
00:40:39	wowaname	oh but it isnt
00:41:19	wowaname	Device partiton expected
00:41:26	wowaname	using -I now
00:42:35	wowaname	http://pastebin.com/72rxhFA7
00:43:02	wowaname	ran with cvI
00:43:19	gevaerts	Well, you could scan where the bad blocks are, and then make a partition table to match
00:43:29	gevaerts	That's left as an exercise to the interested reader though
00:43:37	wowaname	is it likely to succeed
00:43:44	wowaname	i'm guessing not with my luck
00:44:10	gevaerts	Well, it depends on where the bad blocks are
00:44:30	wowaname	meh screw it; i have everything backed up so i'm just gonna wipe and recover
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00:50:00	wowaname	thanks
00:50:09	wowaname	my alloted freenode time is up
00:50:11	wowaname	xd
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01:13:26	TheSeven	hm, more and more of these ipod drives failing
01:13:59	TheSeven	including a weird incident where someone reported several thousands of bad sectors on a drive of a brand new ipod classic with <10 power on hours
01:14:15	TheSeven	that one just got replaced by the apple store though
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01:19:07	[Saint]	Kinda glad I only seem to use my CEATA ones.
01:23:14	[Saint]	Well...sorry, that's not entirely true.
01:23:50	[Saint]	But the PATA one that does get used frequently is converted to solid state.
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02:22:43	lonoxmont	hello, i have an 80gb ipod video that i would like to get working with a 2013 volkswagen gps/radio unit with a MEDIA-IN connector, and its not currently doing much besides throwing an error about not finding a supported device. what information can i gather that would be helpful, should anyone wish to take up the challenge? im running the latest stable release of rockbox for 5.5g ipod video.
02:22:43	lonoxmont	thanks.
02:27:36	*	[Saint] puts on his speculation hat
02:28:15	lonoxmont	also, i have searched the web pretty thouroughly for info on making it work, and it seems im one of the few people to try and make this situation work. i have access to a linux and a windows xp rig, and am not afraid to get (somewhat) down and dirty with testing this stuff out. im afraid im not very good with programming, but i can run a script with the best of them.
02:28:15	[Saint]	Its /probably/ the age old case of "Head Unit sees iPod PID and attempts to talk to Rockbox using IAP it doesn't understand" thing.
02:29:09	lonoxmont	that does seem to be quite a common occurence, looking through the flyspray thread
02:30:01	lonoxmont	and from what i gather, essentialy the rockbox devs have to reverse engineer and hack together a workaround for each combination of device and head unit.
02:30:22	[Saint]	No, no.
02:30:29	lonoxmont	again, ill do whatever legwork oyu guys need on this end, i just need to be told what to do.
02:30:48	[Saint]	We just need to pass a different VID/PID combo, but, we don;t have our own and it isn't entirely ethical to give the user the option to insert their own.
02:31:10	[Saint]	(for the reason that someone paid for it, that wasn't us)
02:31:33	[Saint]	http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=firmware/export/config/ipod6g.h;h=11d77c2017d58864c538cc1e541e8835156b3430;hb=HEAD
02:31:39	lonoxmont	hmm,. so is there a solution?
02:31:46	[Saint]	lines 241 and 242
02:32:08	[Saint]	Steal a VID/PID from some generic mass storage device and recompile.
02:32:34	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling
02:32:51	lonoxmont	this says at the top its for a g6 ipod, wont that cause issues with mine since its a 5.5?
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02:33:36	[Saint]	ah, crap - wrong file.
02:33:39	lonoxmont	http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=firmware/export/config/ipodvideo.h;h=707c7d973b35b507f55d058575c38a4906dcb952;hb=HEAD ill try with this one i think
02:33:50	[Saint]	Indeed.
02:33:55	[Saint]	Sorry.
02:34:10	[Saint]	Its important to not that you can do exactly nothing with that file alone.
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02:35:00	[Saint]	The second link I provided gives you the details of what you must do in order to compile Rockbox.
02:35:31	[Saint]	The file I was trying to point to was merely showing you what you needed to edit, but you've a way to go before that yet.
02:35:32	lonoxmont	reading
02:35:53	lonoxmont	yeah i think my debian box needs all the development stuff installed
02:35:56	lonoxmont	shouldnt be too hard
02:37:30	[Saint]	The important parts of that device config (to you) are just the USB_PRODUCT_ID and USB_VENDOR_ID #defines
02:38:01	[Saint]	Where you get the VID/PID combination from is your business.
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02:40:29	lonoxmont	im going to take a wild guess and say google is my friend on that one.
02:40:35	[Saint]	WHat really needs to happen, and its really only a case of getting around to it and getting it organized, is getting Rockbox its own allotment of IDs and allowing the user to switch between the original and our own via a UI option.
02:40:49	lonoxmont	haha, bet that isnt a cheap fix
02:40:49	[Saint]	But realistically this affects a very tiny portion of people, so its easy to neglect.
02:40:57	[Saint]	Free.
02:41:05	lonoxmont	free? then why hasnt it happened?
02:41:46	[Saint]	Becuase this is a volunteer project and people work on what they want to when they want to.
02:42:01	[Saint]	...and it affects a tiny subset of users.
02:42:37	lonoxmont	ah, yeah, needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
02:43:22	lonoxmont	if i knew how to implement it id do it, but im not much but a sysadmin :/
02:43:53	lonoxmont	alright, ill be back in a bit, then ill see about getting the git cloned and compiled
02:43:59	lonoxmont	thanks for the help so far
02:44:15	[Saint]	Not a problem.
02:44:39	TheSeven	IIRC a full USB vendor ID costs "just" $2k, which is really cheap for that kind of thing
02:45:36	[Saint]	Right. But, OpenMoko :)
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02:54:51	TheSeven	yes, this just means that we should be able to sublicense 256 IDs from them for like $10 :)
02:56:52	[Saint]	Hmmmm...I thought it was actually free.
02:57:14	TheSeven	or rather it would even be fair to do it for that price :)
02:58:00	[Saint]	Ah, I get you.
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03:14:27	JdGordon	didnt we talk about getting an openmoko pid before?
03:19:24	[Saint]	Many, many times.
03:53:08	lonoxmont	i return, cloning the git now
03:59:04	lonoxmont	so just get the vid/pid from any storage device, say a usb stick of some type?
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04:01:38	[Saint]	I don't really think it terribly moral to answer that.
04:02:12	lonoxmont	im just trying to avoid exploding my media player :B
04:02:35	lonoxmont	lets put that on its head, will putting an incorrect id blow anything up?
04:02:43	lonoxmont	you know the code better than i
04:02:45	[Saint]	No.
04:03:07	lonoxmont	alright thats what i wanted to know
04:03:43	[Saint]	I'm sorry about being indirect, its a weird subject. I don't want it to equate to "Yeah, sure, rip off these guys"
04:04:35	lonoxmont	no problem, im sure you guys are on a wanted list for daring to stand up to your corporate overlords
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04:19:43	lonoxmont	im assuming i just want a normal build?
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05:09:45	lonoxmont	found an error with your makefile/documentation, if you need zip support you need to have that listed in the prerequisites on the website.
05:10:34	[Saint]	In what distro is zip and unzip not default packages?
05:11:11	lonoxmont	debian when net installed, apparently
05:11:12	rudi_s	Debian for example.
05:12:52	[Saint]	I can't say I have ever encountered that. I must've always pulled it in as a dependency I guess.
05:13:12	lonoxmont	:cornercases:
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05:30:54	lonoxmont	somehow i think this is oging to turn into one of thos enightmares where you have to reverse engineer everything
05:31:11	lonoxmont	at least it charges still even in rockbox
05:31:26	lonoxmont	so maybe i can use the aux in 3.5mm jack as a workaround :/
05:31:39	[Saint]	You best bet at this stage is hoping your head unit has a line in.
05:31:43	[Saint]	*Your
05:31:44	lonoxmont	it does
05:32:03	[Saint]	As to why it doesn't want to access what should be presented as generic removable storage - no idea.
05:33:14	lonoxmont	i think it has a deeper access to it than that, since its able to pull things form the itunesdb on the device, and i guess it also has the ability to tag things for later purchase in itunes, eg you listen to something on sirius you hit a button and it writes to the itunesdb with a list of what oyu liked
05:33:41	lonoxmont	and with the fact it writes to the screen
05:34:00	[Saint]	That's just IAP (iPod Accessory Protocol), which anyone that has the benefit of signing an NDA and paying royalties can use.
05:34:02	lonoxmont	i dunno, its probably more work than anyone wants to put into a device thats already many years old and few people have
05:34:25	lonoxmont	hmm
05:34:40	[Saint]	IAP is partially implemented in Rockbox, but, its nowhere near complete as its all done via reverse engineering.
05:34:54	lonoxmont	too bad im not rich enough to make a shell corporation, get the dox, and then release it in an "accident"
05:35:03	lonoxmont	or a "leak"
05:35:20	JdGordon	we have the full leaked IAP doc
05:35:42	lonoxmont	hmm
05:35:50	[Saint]	JdGordon: full?
05:35:54	[Saint]	...I don't think so.
05:36:11	JdGordon	maybe not latest but its pretty well everything isnt it?
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05:37:38	[Saint]	If that were the case then why is dock/accessory support so terrible?
05:37:50	JdGordon	because noone has done the work?
05:37:53	[Saint]	Like "pretty much guaranteed to fail" kinda terrible.
05:38:19	[Saint]	By my understanding several people have tried working on IAP.
05:38:29	JdGordon	http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/dashboard/1000083
05:39:23	lonoxmont	JdGordon: did you miss the part where everything they have has been painstakingly reverse engineered?
05:39:52	JdGordon	lonoxmont: I am one of "they" in your sentance....
05:39:56	[Saint]	No, he didn't. I apparently missed the part where that was no longer the case, apparently for some time now. :)
05:39:58	JdGordon	look at my cloak :p
05:40:12	lonoxmont	lol
05:40:27	lonoxmont	so i guess you are the one i need to talk to then :B
05:40:37	JdGordon	so yeah, if you want it working better grab those gerrit patches and see what needs to be done to commit them
05:40:44	lonoxmont	how do you feel about remotely reverse engineering the code for my radio :P
05:40:47	[Saint]	Maybe if you could implement IAp in the skin engine. :)
05:40:54	JdGordon	oh oh! one sec
05:41:15	[Saint]	Those patches are a mess...
05:42:34	JdGordon	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,18445.msg160450.html#msg160450
05:42:41	JdGordon	lonoxmont: send the car, I'll debug it :p
05:43:15	JdGordon	[Saint]: IIRC/UC/WTF iap isnt exactly easy to integrate into the rest of the core which is probably why
05:43:37	lonoxmont	JdGordon: if only that were an option...
05:44:03	lonoxmont	i dont know enough about coding to be of much use, other than collecting logs or what have you
05:44:47	JdGordon	ok, so apply the patches I lionked above and see what that gets you
05:44:59	JdGordon	at the very least we'll know if they are worth pushing as-is
05:45:00	lonoxmont	how do i do that?
05:45:26	[Saint]	a bunch of failed hunks, is what it'll get you.
05:45:26	[Saint]	path conflicts.
05:45:35	[Saint]	Gah.
05:45:35	JdGordon	:/
05:46:15	[Saint]	...and each one seems to depend on the others? Dear lord.
05:47:30	lonoxmont	hmm
05:47:54	lonoxmont	dont suppose thats an easy fix then :/
05:48:23	JdGordon	learn to code :)
05:49:01	lonoxmont	i know enough to (usually) tell the languages apart, but thats about it :/
05:51:22	lonoxmont	it seems to be a circular dependency, to know how to code (or learn how) you must already have some coding knowledge...
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05:51:52	[Saint]	Nope. Not at all.
05:52:04	lonoxmont	and asking where to start always sets off a holy war
05:52:09	[Saint]	Its just like any other thing humans can laern.
05:52:45	lonoxmont	since some say start with c, some say start with assembler, some say start with python, the list goes on...
05:53:16	JdGordon	yes, well anyone saying start with a language is an idiot
05:53:20	JdGordon	start with an itch
05:53:37	lonoxmont	?
05:53:41	[Saint]	Well, only C is going to do you any good here.
05:53:55	JdGordon	i.e an itch to scratch... a reason to start coding
05:54:22	lonoxmont	well ive got one right here i guess, my thing wont talk to my other thing because of some extrememly valuable proprietary document
05:54:32	[Saint]	If the first step someone points you to is "Read the C reference manual", you'll probably just kill yourself.
05:55:56	lonoxmont	so what do i do to start then?
05:56:51	JdGordon	download the source and make sure you can build and run an image, then open up apps/iap.c and (hard part) try to see how much (if any) you can figure out whats happening
05:57:06	JdGordon	and join #rockbox-community so you dont flood here with questions
05:58:08	lonoxmont	i guess ill go flood there with questions then :P
05:58:16	lonoxmont	thanks for the help so far
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10:54:21	mortalis	Zagor: Have you had a chance to upload bootloaders?
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10:54:52	mortalis	btw, frontpage needs to be updated
10:55:09	Zagor	no, I forgot
10:55:41	mortalis	link - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1nI4rgGNPbtQjFKeGxkUVQyR0U/edit?usp=sharing
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11:55:18	wodz	pamaury: ping
11:55:31	pamaury	wodz: pong
11:56:21	wodz	pamaury: Do I assume correctly that wireshark hides actual packet size and groups data belonging to single transaction?
11:56:38	pamaury	yes
11:56:53	pamaury	it's very high level, so it's useful for high level debugging only
11:57:08	pamaury	and errors are hardly useful
11:58:15	wodz	Anyway I think we have a way to run custom code on irivers e100/e150/e200/e300. Currently this is a bit involving but this looks promising
11:58:40	gevaerts	pamaury: did you see FS #12910 ?
11:58:41	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12910 Sansa zip clip fails to enumerate over USB under Windows. (bugs, unconfirmed)
11:59:18	pamaury	wodz: what is the soc on these ?
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12:01:33	pamaury	gevaerts: yes I just saw that, it is not clear what is the issue, it looks like the core doesn't clear stall ?
12:01:48	gevaerts	Well, I don't know
12:02:07	pamaury	I cannot download the attached jpg, again this attach file bug ?
12:02:30	gevaerts	Yes. It has lots of empty lines in front
12:02:46	gevaerts	http://www.hostname.be/sansa.JPG and http://www.hostname.be/sansa2.JPG
12:02:59	gevaerts	See also last night's log. We didd discuss this a bit
12:03:21	gevaerts	It looks like the stall is cleared, and then nothing else hapens (the core keeps sending NAKs)
12:06:49	pamaury	I have the zip and usb analyser maybe I can give it a shot, but it is 100% reproducible ?
12:08:33	gevaerts	Well, I doubt it
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12:09:26	gevaerts	lebellium could connect to a windows system yesterday, but then there's this registry thing that's mentioned that may well cause this sort of bug to be hidden
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12:11:15	pamaury	what is that registry thing ?
12:11:42	pamaury	for the OS to send ask the 0xFE descriptor, you need to uninstall the device I guess, to get probed again
12:11:55	gevaerts	Yes, something like that
12:12:06	gevaerts	I'm not sure of the details
12:12:24	pamaury	you can uninstall using the device manager, what is the OS of this guy ?
12:13:10	gevaerts	Some windows. Not sure which one
12:13:20	gevaerts	Also, I'm not sure if uninstall using the device manager clears everything
12:13:55	gevaerts	He mentions http://code.google.com/p/usboblivion/
12:15:09	pamaury	interesting, I'll try it out
12:16:07	pamaury	this usb core is definitely picky
12:16:34	pamaury	is it clip zip specific ? I rememeber similar issues with the clip+
12:16:58	gevaerts	No idea
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12:26:29	pamaury	maybe I should complete the disassembly of the clip+ ROM which has the complete usb driver for the Clip+, I guess it's the same on the zip
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12:36:01	pamaury	gevaerts: I only need to modify buildserver/builds to compile new targets ?
12:46:14	pamaury	gevaerts: can you recall me what is the number after the zip: "rockbox.zip:30937", is it estimated build cost ?
12:46:41	K1773R	whats a build cost?
12:48:58	pamaury	the build server dispatch the builds to the client depending on how long each build should take and the power of the buildclient
12:49:13	pamaury	some targerts takes longer to compile than others
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13:34:53	gevaerts	pamaury: done. One slight but important issue
13:37:23	pamaury	ah right
13:37:58	gevaerts	I've done this wrong in the past. If you do, a confused build server ensues
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14:21:57	gevaerts	pamaury: looks ok now
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14:36:33	wodz	pamaury: e100/e150/e200/e300 have atj2135N SoC (maybe e300 has atj2137N but this are virtually the same)
14:37:41	pamaury	do you have the doc for the soc ?
14:37:53	pamaury	It is the one I wrote the descrambler for ?
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14:43:11	wodz	pamaury: yes and yes
14:43:25	wodz	pamaury: afaik usb core is not documented though
14:43:57	wodz	basically this is mips 4kec core + DSP
14:44:09	wodz	mips core runs at max 180MHz
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14:56:01	pamaury	wodz: which of these do you have ? how did you buy them ? They seem not so easy to buy
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14:57:09	wodz	pamaury: I have 2 e150 - one broken and one functional. I bought it on allegro - polish service similar to ebay
14:58:20	wodz	I think e300 is still on stock
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15:23:40	[7]	hm, should be easy enough to send some get descriptor requests with pyusb on linux to further diagnose things
15:24:17	[7]	would be an interesting question if a request for stringdesc 0xee (or anything else that stalls) locks up just that endpoint or the whole device
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15:44:20	pamaury	I wonder if Oracle really wants to screw up all their tools
15:44:41	pamaury	I are screwing up pretty badly with Virtualbox 4.3
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20:25:25	K1773R	pamaury: tell me more
20:27:30	pamaury	K1773R: about ?
20:28:09	K1773R	vbox4.3 screwup
20:31:57	pamaury	well for vbox 4.3 was unusable, it crashed all the time (I mean plain crash, machine reboot without a warning, not even bsod), and usb is completely broken, and 100% cpu usage. The 4.3.2 version is slightly better, at least it doesn't crash anymore but usb is still completely broken
20:32:32	pamaury	I thought the point of a major version change (4.2.18 -> 4.3) was to bring new features, not break everything
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21:08:15	*	gevaerts has some news
21:08:30	gevaerts	On my fuzev2, we do not recover properly from a STALL
21:08:34	gevaerts	The OF handles it fine
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21:09:35	*	gevaerts decides to try a PP device too
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21:10:49	pamaury	gevaerts: what is the usb core on fuzev2 ?
21:11:15	gevaerts	pamaury: it builds usb-s3c6400x
21:11:25	gevaerts	So the usual suspect
21:11:45	pamaury	the problem is that many usb doc are very unclear on how they handle stall on control endpoints
21:11:51	pamaury	(when they mention it at all)
21:11:58	gevaerts	OK, it's fine on e200v1
21:12:14	gevaerts	So it definitely seems to be a driver issue
21:12:15	lebellium	and on C200? \o/
21:12:24	gevaerts	lebellium: not going to try :)
21:12:34	gevaerts	I don't see why it should go wrong there though
21:12:36	lebellium	hehe
21:13:03	lebellium	IIRC I have no USB issues with Fuzev1 and e200v1
21:13:06	*	gevaerts has a simple pyusb thing that tries a valid string descriptor, then 0xEE, then a valid one again
21:14:48	pamaury	so this particular usb core and all its variant have a quirk on ep0 stall
21:15:05	pamaury	since the doc mention that it gets automatically cleared on SETUP
21:15:16	gevaerts	Yes, something is clearly wrong
21:15:57	gevaerts	Well, I don't actually know what it does after the stall. All I know is that from then on the device is dead on the USB bus for all practical purposes
21:16:22	gevaerts	Whether that is because the STALL condition is still there, or because we need to reinitialise something, I have no idea
21:17:31	K1773R	pamaury: that sounds familiar, tough i had it some years ago with vmware. didnt try vbox4.3 yet. what guest/host setup did you use?
21:17:52	pamaury	windows/linux
21:17:56	pamaury	obviously ;)
21:18:01	K1773R	good :)
21:18:29	K1773R	eh, i saw ppl doing some winserver and selling linux VMs on it, morons :S
21:19:15	K1773R	good that i know, so i wont try the 4.3
21:20:09	gevaerts	pamaury: I've uploaded my test script to FS #12910 if you want to play with it
21:20:10	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12910 Sansa zip clip fails to enumerate over USB under Windows. (bugs, unconfirmed)
21:20:55	pamaury	gevaerts: thanks
21:22:20	gevaerts	You'll notice that I don't speak fluent python :)
21:27:29	pamaury	I don't either so I won't criticize
21:27:30	pamaury	hum, I can't get the file with the tracket, get a blank page
21:27:30	pamaury	actually I get 1099 empty lines and then your code is incomplete
21:27:30	DBUG	Enqueued KICK pamaury
21:27:30	pamaury	what is wrong with this bug tracket ?
21:27:34	pamaury	*tracker
21:27:53	gevaerts	It's php on the server
21:28:02	gevaerts	It's incomplete?
21:28:32	gevaerts	It should be 29 actual lines
21:29:17	gevaerts	Python code can look incomplete if you're not used to it
21:29:59	gevaerts	[7]: any chance of trying the script with your "new" driver on the classic?
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21:30:17	gevaerts	Well, with the rockbox driver as well, maybe, but I suspect we can expect a failure there
21:32:58	pamaury	gevaerts: hum actually you're right, it's complete, there still are 1099 blank lines before !
21:33:08	gevaerts	Yes, I know
21:33:14	gevaerts	Yesterday it only added 1092
21:36:04	gevaerts	Our only chance is to give Zagor some fresh motivation to have another go
21:36:48	Zagor	and ideally some kind of clue what to look for
21:37:06	gevaerts	Well, we do know that the problem grows
21:37:15	gevaerts	Not sure what exactly that points to...
21:37:35	pamaury	ah no it's 1092
21:37:40	pamaury	I misread ;)
21:37:59	gevaerts	Well, it used to be a few, anyway
21:38:12	gevaerts	And all php seems to suffer
21:38:25	gevaerts	Zagor: maybe start with a very short nearly-dummy test page in php?
21:38:41	pamaury	yeah that's very weird
21:39:06	pamaury	maybe some header file got corrupted and prints blanks whereas it should not ?
21:40:54	K1773R	the pictureflow dont work on an iPodClassic, i kills the whole system. known problem? (probably related to doom i guess? as it crashes on the same loading stage (doing graphics stuff))
21:41:03	K1773R	s/i kills/it kills/
21:41:29	K1773R	[7]: ^
21:44:16	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
21:44:16	*	[7] reads the backlog
21:50:24	[7]	gevaerts: reliably freezes the USB core on nano2g with both drivers
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21:50:53	[7]	a reconnect (and thus re-init of the full core) seems to bring it back to life with the new driver
21:51:13	[7]	WTF
21:51:17	[7]	it doesn't happen on the classic
21:51:37	[7]	wait, that's the old emCORE driver
21:52:02	[7]	UMSboot (new driver) isn't affected there as well
21:52:09	gevaerts	Hmmm
21:52:10	[7]	so the very same code base fails on nano2g and works on classic
21:52:18	[7]	that seems to suggest a HW bug
21:52:27	[7]	I'll try to reproduce that on STM32
21:52:34	[7]	(where I have a proper debugger)
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21:57:26	[7]	"unable to read config index 0 descriptor/start: -32"
21:57:26	[7]	grr.
21:57:45	[7]	UMSboot fails to work there at all. and it did work there at some point...
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