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#rockbox log for 2013-11-25

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00:53:57DynionHey guys!
00:55:05Dynionhaving some trouble with my ipod classic (6g)... playback often crashes at 0:02 or 0:07 seconds
00:55:22Dyniongotta reset the thingy to fix it to try again
00:55:28Dynionanyone have a clue or tip?
00:56:45[Saint]On (a) specific track(s), or on any track?
01:01:31*[Saint] wonders if Dynion wants support or not.
01:01:51Dynioni got distracted
01:02:06Dynionnot entirely sure to be honest...
01:02:13Dynionits either a lot of specific tracks, or all
01:02:38[Saint]And always at the same time markers?
01:02:39Dynionbut i have the idea flac and good mp3's do it more
01:03:12Dynionalmost always 0:02 or 0:07, sometimes different
01:03:25Dynioni had 00:32 once for example
01:04:42[Saint]Have you checked the filesystem?
01:04:57Dynionim pretty noob... no idea what it is:p
01:05:40Dynioni just followed a very clear guide :X (Dont laugh at me too hard)
01:06:01[Saint]What operting system are you using?
01:06:10Dynionwindows 7 pro x64
01:06:17Dynion(legal, if it matters)
01:06:28copperwell fuck: year old build on the Clip+ managed 11 hours 33 minutes versus 15 hours for the recent revision: the opposite of the Classic.
01:07:03[Saint]copper: Well...fuck indeed.
01:07:26[Saint]Dynion: ignore the fact it states vista in the link, it shoul dbe the same.
01:07:29[Saint]*should be
01:07:42Dynionyeah... i know where to find that one anyway:P
01:07:53Dynionas long as no coding is needed i can do most things
01:08:08Dynionbut the only code i know is probably bbcode :P
01:08:31[Saint]make sure both "automatically fix filesystem errors" and "scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors" are checked.
01:09:18[Saint]copper: That...that pretty much flies in the face of what we suspected.
01:09:52[Saint]Thought the Clip+ was getting rather a lot of attention around then.
01:09:55copperpamaury (logs): Fuze+ 6ac481e: 31h 10m
01:10:02Dynionwhat? does the voltage decrease over time?
01:10:04Dynionthats pretty weird
01:10:18wodzDynion: thats pretty normal
01:10:25[Saint]Batteries would need to be magic for that to not happen.
01:10:30Dynionyeah ok
01:10:44Dynionim used to do theoretical work with batteries
01:10:53Dynionso loss is not accounted for
01:12:07[Saint]If you find a way to store charge indefinitely without loss, I'm pretty sure you'll be well on your way to being a bajillionaire...or getting murdered by Mobil Oil.
01:12:24DynionxD yeah you're right
01:12:24[Saint]Probably the latter.
01:13:04Dynionhmmm... the check for error thingy just goes away in 1 second:/
01:15:01[Saint]Well, that's odd.
01:15:21[Saint]Far too quick to be doing anything even remotely useful.
01:15:34Dynionfar too quick to do anything at all even...
01:16:03[Saint]And even if it were, it shouldn't just exit out without prompt.
01:16:19[Saint]Do you have your audio backed up elsewhere?
01:16:28Dynioni do
01:16:36Dynionbut we have that seperate command too right?
01:16:47DynionCHKDSK D:// or something
01:17:17Dynionchkdsk /d
01:17:20Dynionhmmm... not sure
01:18:50DynionCHKDSK [D]: /F i believe
01:19:09[Saint]"CHKDSK /path/to/device /F /R /V"
01:19:38[Saint](basically: fix errors, print output, and attempt recovery of bad sectors)
01:19:54Dynionthe path to device isnt /D
01:20:27Dynion(D is the name of the drive)
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01:21:08[Saint]Hmmm...I'm not sure if I'm misremembering the chkdsk syntax or not.
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01:21:21[Saint]I don;t recall if the path comes before or after the switches.
01:21:42Dynionsame stuff... weird
01:21:52Dynionjust flashes and goes away
01:22:57[Saint]I really hate such suggestions, but we could fight with this for however long it takes to figure out what I'm missing or you could simply nuke the data partition and copy your media back to it and hope that works.
01:23:16[Saint]emCORE has a "format data partition" entry in the tools menu.
01:23:29copperfresh format, fresh rockbox, fresh config, fresh data = win
01:23:49copperI'm beat, good night.
01:24:07Dynionnah... i love such suggestions to be honest:p
01:24:19Dynionunless in installed 600 drivers before...
01:25:07Dynionits only 18gb anyway
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01:25:26Dynion5 to 10 minutes
01:25:35Dynionwhere's the emcore format?
01:26:21[Saint]Ok, so. We know what we're doing? Stating once again for clarity - this *will* nuke every ounce of data on the device - so, if you want/need it, back it up.
01:26:39[Saint]You'll find the format data partition option in emCORE's tools menu.
01:26:59Dynionwtf is up with this ipod... 750kb/s?
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01:27:09[Saint]After the format completes, you'll want to mount the device and extract to it.
01:27:30[Saint]Then copy over a small subset of your audio for testing.
01:27:42Dynioncant i just format it with the files on it?
01:27:53Dynionive got all the music on both an external and on my computer anyway
01:28:05Dynionformat usually works with full harddisks...
01:28:47[Saint]Of course you can. There's no need to remove the data from the device before formatting.
01:29:01Dynionyeah ok... i already found that pretty strange xD
01:29:41Dyniondropped into emcore console
01:29:50Dynionwhat now?
01:30:09[Saint]WHy did you do that?
01:30:24Dynionwell... cause its the only emcore screen i have?
01:30:42Dynionshut down, rockbox or emcore console
01:31:09[7]...and "tools" on the very right
01:31:16Dynionoh wait... tools
01:31:18Dynionit isnt on screen
01:31:37Dynionreformat data partition?
01:31:52[Saint]Yes. Like I said earlier. Under the tools menu.
01:32:10Dynionsorry. im afraid i overlooked that part
01:32:34Dynionthat only takes like two seconds too?
01:33:06[Saint]Well, about ~10s or so. Very quick anyway.
01:34:27[Saint]Now, reboot (it will boot to the fallback image), mount the device, and extract the Rockbox binary I linked above to it.
01:34:29Dynionno ipod in my computer or manage−−> device manager
01:34:45Dynionah thanks
01:36:46Dynionextracted it
01:36:57Dynionjust pull cable out? or something else
01:37:10[Saint]Safely eject the volume.
01:37:15[Saint]Always safely eject.
01:37:34[Saint](that may well be how you ended up in this mess)
01:37:35Dynionhmmm... well... even now is a time to change habits =)
01:38:20[Saint]Its really important to make sure you safely eject. ALways. Otherwise there is no guarantee the data was written to the device.
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01:38:43DynionIts twice as fast
01:39:23[Saint]I can only manage ~6.4MB/s on mine.
01:39:34[Saint]Whereas the OF easily gets ~20MB/s
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01:39:55Dynioni usually get 13.8mb/s when transferring from computer...
01:39:59[Saint][7]: Have I prodded you about that? IS it something you're aware of?
01:40:22[7]what in particular?
01:40:29Dynion[7]: Sofia is a lovely city ^_^
01:40:31[7]the speed issues?
01:40:46[Saint]Painfully slow data transmission, yeah.
01:41:02[7]I don't remember such a big difference
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01:41:08[7]those drives can do 30-40MB/s internally
01:41:33[7]and I think I got like 20 or so via USB back when I wrote the drivers
01:41:56[Saint]I get 20~22MB/s with the OF, but under Rb I top out at 7MB/s max.
01:42:35Dynion15 mb/s
01:42:39[Saint]I only usually do mass transfers overnight, so its not so much of a big issue.
01:42:48Dynioneven thats better... did you give me anewer version saint?
01:43:00Dynionit feels both faster and transfer rates are higher too
01:43:08[Saint]Dynion: its the most current version possible.
01:43:22[Saint]That link will always point to the most current version. Bookmark it if you'd like.
01:43:30pubwsliNow that Dynion is all set I'd like to step in if I can... I've been having some difficulties myself, and I asked this chat a couple hours ago but I received no response. I am very eager to get this fixed, so here comes my question again:
01:43:35pubwsliI'm experimenting with addons in rockdoom and I keep encountering the same error. While Doom runs fine, my addon does not. I downloaded the .wad I wanted and put it in .rockbox/doom/addons.
01:43:49pubwsliI loaded Rockdoom, selected my addon, and pressed play game. Every time I do this, the lines of text flash as usual, but it says in one of them that something is wrong with my shareware and then it gets stuck on a line about sprites, duplicating it every second until it's been about 30 seconds, then rockdoom quits. [17:35] <pubwsli> Does anyone know what could be the issue?
01:44:49[Saint]Rockdoom was only ever really tested with PrBoom and the official WADs.
01:44:58[Saint]My shareware and official verions run fine.
01:45:31[Saint]No one has touched the rockdoom code for years. Its regarded as strictly a novelty.
01:45:56Dynionthanks saint! imma go to bed now. its late here:p
01:46:07[Saint]Not a problem Dynion
01:46:15[Saint]Sleep well, etc.
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01:46:40pubwsliI know this isn't official, but I've read accounts of numerous people using the exact same .wad as me and encountering no difficulties. I'm just thinking that there's something I'm missing.
01:46:55[Saint]WHat target is this?
01:47:52[Saint](what device is this? - if that is a less clumsy and more understandable wording)
01:47:53pubwsliI'm trying to get Goldeneye 007 on a Sandisk Sansa Clip Zip using a .wad called zgold64 or something, which seems to be very popular in the wad community.
01:52:31pubwsliThe device is an 8 GB Sandisk Sansa Clip Zip.
01:52:32[Saint]I can't recall how much RAm these things have. Could you start playback, and then navigate to the System -> Rockbox Info menu and read me out the "Buffer: " line?
01:53:13pubwsliSure, one second. Playing Rockboy at the moment...
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01:53:58Dynion*panic* Mount: 0
01:55:02Dynioni reset... is it something i should take seriously?
01:56:43[Saint]It may be an indication that your HDD is failing.
01:56:57[Saint](which is hilariously common on these devices)
01:57:08pubwsliThe buffer line says 5.29MB during audio playback.
01:57:25Dynionah well.. the jack port of the one before this one is down
01:57:38Dynionill put them together:)
01:57:46[Saint]pubwsli: You're almost certainly running out of RAM.
01:58:00Dynioncan i put a 5.5 g harddisk in a 6g without software error?
01:58:28pubwsliSo the Clip Zip just doesn't have the horsepower?
01:58:56[Saint]It has the power, but it doesn't have infinite amunts of RAM to play with.
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01:59:36pubwsliSo is there anything I can do to make it run properly?
01:59:51saratogai guess you could try it in the sim on a PC
02:00:00saratogaif its just lack of RAM it'd work there
02:00:18[Saint]You could /possibly/ re-pack the WAD with smaller textures.
02:00:23[Saint]And no, it wouldn't.
02:00:50Dynionsaint... any player with 30gb or more that has an equal or better audio quality?
02:01:00Dynionfuze+ 32gb i guess?
02:01:31[Saint]The Classic is probably the best contender available for sound quality.
02:02:02[Saint]Its disturbingly good actually.
02:02:22Dynioni found that too... its almost as good as my DAC (terratec phase 24FW)
02:02:39Dynionwhich is pretty damn impressive in my opinion
02:02:51[Saint]saratoga: do the sims not emulate the target devices available RAM?
02:02:58[Saint]That would seem like a huge flaw to me...
02:03:18saratogajust try it in a sim with more RAM
02:03:32[Saint]Ah, well...yeah.
02:03:37saratogabut no they don't exactly emulate the RAM either, but they usually only have a little more IIRC
02:03:55Dynionmaybe i just need to upgrade my dac... but still.. i find the sound at home pretty good... my valve amp is pretty ok with the dac:P
02:07:10[Saint]pubwsli: Its is probably /possible/ to reduce the RAM usage of this addon - but the thought that plagues me is "Its Doom...on a it really worth the time and effort?"
02:07:10[Saint]If the answer for you is "Yes.", then great - all power to you.
02:07:10[Saint]To be completely honest, if I had my way, I would boot it from the source - along with a lot of other novelty plugins.
02:07:53Dynionanyway... tomorrow testday for the ipod ^_^ hopefully you wont see me tomorrow evening:p
02:07:57Dynionim off now..
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02:08:52[Saint]These days most people have a phone that is *way* more playing games on a DAP is little more than a mildly amusing demo for those that haven't seen it before.
02:10:27[Saint]That is part of the reason why the hosted application targets have very few plugins. The OS almost certainly has a far better native solution.
02:11:44pubwsliOkay, I gave it a try in the simulator on my computer and I got the same error. I have a screenshot of what happened right here:
02:12:12pubwsliTwo lines are missing off the bottom but this is basically everything that happened when I tried to play rockdoom with the custom wad.
02:12:47[Saint]Hmmm. Seems like it might be just plain broken.
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02:13:29pubwsliThat's what I thought too, but it seems as if others have used this same wad successfully.
02:13:47[Saint]I wouldn't expect people to be tripping over each other to find the underlying issues here unfortunately.
02:15:14saratogaaren't those messages normal in doom?
02:15:24pubwsliYeah, doesn't exactly seem like a top-priority problem. All I want is to get Goldeneye 007 to run somehow so I can impress a certain friend who loves the game. So I guess the best approach is just to keep searching for wads until I find one that works?
02:16:03[Saint]I would say the best solution would be to run this on a device it was intended to run on.
02:16:34[Saint]Then you'll get mouse look too! :)
02:16:45[Saint]And jump!
02:16:49pubwsliMy intention isn't to play through Goldeneye 007 on a 96x96 display. I just want it, like you mentioned above, for the novelty.
02:17:29[Saint]I doubt you could play through it anyway, even if it did load, it would almost certainly fall over in later maps due to RAM restrictions.
02:18:01pubwsliYeah, I'd be happy with just the first level.
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02:19:13[Saint]On a 96x96 display, enemies that are ~30ft in front of you in game are practically invisible due to the screen being compressed so much.
02:19:24[Saint]It will likely be a rather underwhelming experience.
02:20:05[Saint]But if you would like to persist with it the only thing I could suggest would be repacking the WAD with drastically reduced textures.
02:21:22pubwsliI'm not so sure how to do that... Do you have a recommendation for a WAD unpacker?
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02:22:15[Saint]We're sliding off topic here - Google gives me which is the best I can do.
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02:28:29pubwsliThanks for the link, Saint; unfortunately it seems as if most of these tools are so ancient that they don't even run on my computer. I'll just mess around on YouTube until I either figure it out or give up.
02:28:38pubwsliEither way, I appreciate all the help.
02:29:17[Saint]I would be immensely surprised if the linux WAD editors no longer functioned.
02:29:50[Saint]It depends how dedicated you are to your task, but a virtual machine can be up and running in a short amount of time.
02:30:00[Saint]You could likely do all this on a LiveCD as well.
02:30:14[Saint]But this extends far beyond the scope of Rockbox support.
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02:32:33pubwsliYeah, I'm on Windows 7. I'm sure the Linux ones still work, but I'd rather not set up a virtual machine if I can help it. And yes, we've gotten way off topic, something I tend to be pretty good at.
02:33:26pubwsliThanks again. Have a good night.
02:33:50[Saint](descibes both LiveCD/DVD and LiveUSB techniques)
02:34:02pubwsliCool, I might have to use that
02:34:12[Saint]The benefit of which being nothing on the host system will be touched.
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05:19:40*[Saint] hops,13462.msg221575.html#msg221575 isn;t too assholeish
05:19:50[Saint]*hopes, even.
05:20:03[Saint]I've been saving that one up for about a week.
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11:55:55pamaurycopper: ping
11:56:03copperpamaury: pong
11:56:14pamaurydid you finish the fuze+ benchmark ?
11:56:20copperpamaury: Fuze+ 6ac481e: 31h 10m
11:57:51pamaurygreat thanks
11:58:13copperpamaury: I'm confused, why are you benchmarking commits that predate the 40 hour mark?
11:58:29pamauryso apparently the regression happened between july and aug since my august run gives 26h and your from september gives 30
11:58:32copperas opposed to benchmarking revisions that came AFTER
11:58:40pamauryno they are after
11:59:35pamauryyour 40h run is c4f2a46, which is july
11:59:53pamauryall the revisions we have benchmarked so far are between this commit and HEAD
12:02:34copper2013/11/24 19:35:22 UTC <pamaury> copper: all revisions we are testing are older than the 40hours one
12:03:02pamaurysorry I meant older from the reverse point of view ^^
12:03:11copperThat's what confused me :)
12:03:21copperalso, what?
12:03:29copper"older from the reverse point of view"?
12:03:41copperconfused copper be confused!
12:04:11pamaurytry to understand my thinking: they are older in the usual time line
12:04:24pamaurybut they are more recent in the commit order (which is reversed !)
12:04:36pamauryanyway :p
12:04:49copperin what timeline do you live?
12:04:51pamauryI have identified a few potential culprit commits
12:05:37pamauryin the usual one don't you ? though I admit pushing all those commits sometimes gets confusing
12:06:15pamauryculprit #1: 462adf2a0fefbfdbccfafa11c999ac6beb114e8a (imx233: always keep cards in TRAN mode)
12:06:26copperyeah I still can't wrap my head around the fact that september 2013 is "older" than july 2013
12:06:47copperoh geez
12:06:53copperyou mean like a person
12:06:53pamauryculprit #1: 96d355abba19f3f099f94a8b2d3e95be32c39be7 (imx233: fix drive strength for sd/mmc)
12:07:03copperoh wow
12:07:07pamaurythat's what usual people are like no ?
12:07:18copperthat is a super weird way of talking about software
12:07:41wodzpamaury has very sophisticated TMU (time management unit). It is virtual time is multistage mapped with help of various JTLB (joined time lookaside buffers) :P
12:07:42pamauryif I were a robot you would be insulting me !
12:08:13pamaurywodz: exactly, at least someone understands me
12:10:01pamaurycopper: someone showed up yesterday and said he could do some fuze+ benchmarking so if you prefer to stop here for the sake of your battery, I would prefectly understand
12:10:52pamaurynow I need a coffee, which is my natural source of energy
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12:12:33copperyup, thanks
12:13:34copperpamaury: i'm gonna stop the battery benchmarks here because 1) my last clip+ benchmark didn't produce the expected results, which means I would be shooting in the dark, and 2) I actually don't really care all that much about battery life :P
12:17:53pamauryok :)
12:19:16wodzAre you sure that regression is imx233 specific? This reports about classics make me think we might have some general problem (and imx problems *maybe* on top)
12:19:34coppermy Fuze+ was so badly discharged that it didn't even manage to charge itself off a wall wart charger
12:20:47pamaurywodz: at least on fuze+ we have a small window in which something *bad* happened, let find it and see
12:20:57pamaurycopper: even with OF ?
12:21:05copperdidn't try the OF
12:21:18copperI keep forgetting Rockbox isn't the Fuze's native firmware
12:22:54pamauryI noticed that sometimes rockbox won't boot on very low battery
12:23:07pamauryI'm unsure if this a rockbox problem or rather a problem with the fuze+ stubs
12:23:35copperright now it's connected to my computer in bootloader USB mode
12:23:41copperdunno if it's charging?
12:25:08pamauryrockbox USB ?
12:25:17pamauryor OF USB ?
12:25:18pamauryboth charge anyway
12:25:34pamauryso stupid question ^^
12:26:48copperrockbox bootloader USB
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16:16:58copperpamaury: my Fuze+ is not charging :(
16:17:14copperwhen unplugged, I can't even turn it on, at all
16:17:41copperwhen I plug it into my computer, it starts in rockbox bootloader usb mode, but doesn't seem to be charging
16:17:57copperwhen I plug it into a wall wart, it keeps rebooting over and over without even reaching the rockbox logo
16:20:11copperit's been doing that ever since my last battery benchmark finished
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16:27:49chrisjjAny idea why I get no Edit button on FS ? FS docs "You are the creator of the task and 24h have not yet passed since creation" indicates it should be there.
16:32:31pamaury_chrisjj: I don't know, you can always post a comment no ?
16:33:16Zagorchrisjj: I added you to "Reporters" user group now. any change?
16:33:46pamaury_by the way, the behaviour [Saint] mentionned on the forum is that you should avoid answering *every* post, especially if it adds no information (like "ok", "thanks", "understood"). And you can answer several questions in one post too.
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16:35:12chrisjjpamaury: Yes, I can apparently add a comment.
16:35:24chrisjjpamaury: No change.
16:35:44copperpamaury: is the "bootloader USB mode" supposed to charge the device? It doesn't seem to, and it seems that's my only chance of restoring my Fuze+ battery…
16:36:26chrisjjpamaury: I see Edit should be allowed additionally by the fact my permissions include do include "Modify own tasks".
16:37:12pamaurycopper: which bootloader version do you have ?
16:37:39coppersays "Boot version: 1.0"
16:37:40pamaurycopper: have you tried booting to the OF instead of RB in USB mode ?
16:37:49copperyup, not enough juice
16:38:01coppernothing boots, except the bootloader when I plug it into a computer USB port
16:38:13coppernothing boots even a little bit
16:38:18copperscreen never turns on, at all
16:39:02copper(except in bootloader USB mode)
16:39:21copperIt is le dead :(
16:39:39chrisjjFS docs , these seem to apply to a different version of FS. Anyone know how to find the RB FS version? Or its correct docs?
16:39:41pamaurycopper: the normal procedure to boot OF in USB is: hold volume down, plug usb and keep holding volume down for some time
16:39:53pamaurycopper: your bootloader is obsolete, current version is 2.0
16:40:22copperhow do I update it?
16:40:44pamauryboot into OB USB, recharge and use RockboxUtility
16:40:55Zagorchrisjj: that page says "Last modified: 2010/10/02" so yeah it seems a bit old
16:41:09copperaaaah, OF seems to be charging it
16:41:23copperdidn't know about that procedure with the USB cable plugged in, thanks
16:41:41copperso it's not dead? :D
16:41:46chrisjjZagor: And is that older than the RB FS?
16:41:53Zagorchrisjj: yes
16:42:51pamaurycopper: it is described on the wiki !
16:42:57pamauryand probably in the manual too
16:43:20copperI knew about the volume down thing when unplugged
16:43:23pamauryit cannot die anyway
16:43:31copperdidn't know that it worked while plugged in
16:43:43copperpamaury: why, is it immortal?
16:43:47copperThere can be only one!
16:44:08pamaurywell it cannot that easily
16:44:11pamaury*cannot die
16:47:15chrisjjZagor, OK, so what date is the RB FS, please?
16:47:48Zagorchrisjj: 2012-05-28
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16:48:43chrisjjCoo... rather poor that it links to docs nearly two years out of date...
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16:52:38chrisjjIt seems FS 2012 didn't have a manual: .
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16:52:55chrisjjCorrection: It seems FS 2010 didn't have a manual:
16:54:30chrisjjpamaury: re forum posts. thanks for the explanation. Bye for now.
16:56:02copperpamaury: er, someone asked me how often they should update the bootloader on the Clip Zip, I told them they only need to install it once… was I wrong to say that?
16:56:50pamauryOn the Zip probably not
16:58:31pamaurybecause the Zip is not the first device on SansaAMS, the port is mature. The fuze+ is the first port to imx233 so it's normal that when you first installed the bootloader it wasn't really mature
16:58:56pamauryLet's put it differently: until a platform is stable, there might be bootloader changes. That seems like a reasonable statement
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17:01:59copperI see, thanks
17:02:12copperindeed, I installed the bootloader when I got my Fuze+ ages ago
17:02:56coppernever thought to update it
17:03:16copperwhat's new with version 2 of the rockbox usb bootloader?
17:05:25pamauryfaster boot, charging
17:05:50pamauryand general stability improvements
17:06:59coppernow, if SanDisk would just give me Proof of Life on my microsdxc replacement…
17:07:18copperthey haven't even acknowledged receiving the faulty one
17:18:00*copper is wondering if he should update emCORE
17:19:09copperthey're still listing emCORE r859 (2012-01-02)
17:21:19copperbut there are newer files from this year
17:21:25copper Index of /targets/iPod classic
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19:01:45lorenzo92pamaury: g#678
19:01:46fs-bluebotGerrit review #678 at : by Lorenzo Miori (changes/78/678/1)
19:02:01lorenzo92bot working \o/ :D
19:03:13lorenzo92pamaury: I know this breaks your ports, but I tought it would have been better to explicitly define the behaviour, do you think?
19:03:50pamaurylorenzo92: isn't the logic reversed ?
19:04:31lorenzo92I actually had 2 minutes of thinking ^^ looking at the datasheet 1 (CAP_MODE) is the reset value, and you were clearing it to set CAPLESS_MODE
19:04:51lorenzo92and so in debug menu I correctly see 1 for z5, before it was 0
19:05:18lorenzo92feel free to correct me if I'm wrong :)
19:06:20pamauryah yeah sorry, it's in the pwrdn register
19:06:26pamauryyou're right
19:07:50pamauryhowever I don't like the name of its, it's not consistent with other defines
19:08:02pamauryit should be IMX233_AUDIO_something
19:08:45lorenzo92ah indeed, I had the same problem ^^ okay, I'll fix that
19:08:47pamauryif you look closely, there is a pattern in names:
19:09:11pamauryand if the setting is an enum, then the pattern for values is:
19:09:33lorenzo92yes I see, i'll fix that
19:09:46pamauryexample: button lradc driver, IMX233_BUTTON_LRADC_HOLD_DET -> BLH_ADC
19:09:57pamauryBLH is an acronym for BUTTON_LRADC_HOLD
19:10:23pamaurysame with fmradio: IMX233_FMRADIO_POWER -> FMP_GPIO
19:10:30pamauryFMP is FMRADIO_POWER
19:11:10lorenzo92ACM_CAPLESS_MODE? I just want to be precise ;p
19:11:12pamauryso in your case it should be IMX233_AUDIO_COUPLING_MODE -> ACM_CAP or ACM_CAPLESS for example
19:11:21pamauryI find the _MODE redundant
19:11:25pamauryit's already in ACM ;)
19:11:27lorenzo92yes indeed
19:12:10pamauryand if you need subsettings (ie depend on a particular setting), then it's acronym_value_opt
19:12:15pamauryexample: FMP_GPIO_BANK
19:12:21pamaurydepends on FMP_GPIO ;)
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19:13:12pamauryMaybe we should have a wiki page for all these things about imx233
19:13:21pamauryin case someone want to make a port, and for reference
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19:30:21pixelmamusic plays on as normal though. Maybe it has something to do with sleeping the lcd or something (wasn't there some bug report recently?, now that I think about it). I never understood when it goes into this state but it's always been doing this for me.
19:31:08*copper thinks someone should modify the Rockbox simulator to build a fully fledged desktop player
19:32:16copperjust needs a good UI, really
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19:32:57copperpamaury: does the Fuze+ OF ever show the battery as fully charged?
19:33:01copperit's been hours
19:33:41copper3 hours
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19:33:48copperhmmm, maybe not quite enough
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19:34:14pamaurycopper: I don't remember
19:34:26pamaurybut you can use rockbox to charge if you want, now that it will boot
19:34:40pamaurydid you update the bootloader ?
19:34:41copperwhat's worrying is that it doesn't give an indicator of how close it is to full charge
19:34:48copperyup, I did
19:35:07copperah, 93%
19:36:05pamaurydon't trust the percentage though, the curve seems a bit off
19:36:08copperit still says "Boot version: 1.0"
19:36:16pamaurydid you reboot to OF to update ?
19:36:25copperbut i didn't update RockboxUtility
19:36:28copperdoes that matter?
19:36:50pamauryin theory no, did you update with rockbox utility in OF USB mode or RB USB mode ?
19:37:04copperOF USB mode I think
19:37:18copperOF USB mode, definitely
19:37:31coppershould I try again in RB USB mode?
19:37:32pamaurydid it show the upgrading screen when you rebooted ?
19:37:39pamauryno it won't work in RB USB mode
19:37:59pamaury(rebooted to OF I mean)
19:38:11copperI'm confused
19:38:22coppershould I run the RB utility in RB USB mode or OF USB mode?
19:38:28pamauryOF USB mode
19:38:32pamaurythen reboot to OF
19:38:35copperlet me try again
19:38:39pamaurythen it should show an upgrade screen
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19:39:01copperah, there it is
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19:40:32copperit's showing the OF update screen, but it's taking its sweet time
19:40:38copperit's plugged into USB
19:40:46copperah, good
19:40:55coppercompleted, showing RB booloader v2
19:41:08copperchargin status: trickle
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19:41:33copperDie temp: 44°C
19:42:00copperpamaury: thanks for your help
19:43:37copperI was about to send you a request for my money back ;)
19:43:59copperthe entire €0 and not a cent less
19:46:05coppereh, it's doing its fully charged thing again
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19:46:18copperrapidly switching from 84% to 96%
19:46:25copperback and forth
19:48:05copper4192 mV
19:53:22pamauryyeah the curve is a bit off as I said
19:53:30pamaurywhat you should trust is the charging state
19:53:38pamauryif you reach topoff it means it's finished
19:55:22copperis that russian for "fully charged"? :D
19:56:04pamauryno, it's a standard technical term about battery li-ion charging
19:56:12copperah, indeed, it's saying "topoff" now
19:56:28copperi was expecting a picture of a semi-nude brunette
19:56:34copperI'm slightly disappointed.
20:00:08copperWell, I'm glad my Fuze+ isn't dead.
20:00:39lorenzo92haha :D
20:00:51lorenzo92that is topless ^^
20:02:02lorenzo92pamaury: g#678
20:02:03fs-bluebotGerrit review #678 at : by Lorenzo Miori (changes/78/678/2)
20:04:26pamaurylorenzo92: I have a few comments, I will review the patch
20:07:36lorenzo92ah that was quick ;)
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20:18:27lorenzo92pamaury: thanks ;)
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20:36:19Waterpamaury: Still need someone to help regress the Fuze+ battery time?
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20:58:34pamauryWater: yes
20:59:23WaterOkay, I need the build, and audio files (or I can encode my own).
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21:00:51pamauryfor the audio files, it doesn't really matter as long as the sum of all files your play in the playlist is much bigger than the audio buffer
21:01:06pamauryso basically it should account for at least 32MB
21:01:14pamauryfor the build, wait a minute
21:02:02WaterOkay −− playlist over 32MB. What about codec and bit rate?
21:02:13gevaertspamaury: actually, wouldn't comparing a playlist that needs rebuffering and a playlist that doesn't be interesting too?
21:03:05pamaurygevaerts: not really because I suspend the bug might come from poor storage power management, and it doesn't depend on whether you rebuffer or not
21:03:23pamaurybut since we started with these condition, it's important to keep them to be consistent
21:03:25gevaertsOK, if you have actual suspicions, that's different :)
21:03:36pamauryWater: any codec, usually we do MP3 with high bit rate
21:03:51pamaurygevaerts: well I didn't at the beginning but now I have a potential culprit commit ^^
21:04:01gevaertsAh, excellent!
21:06:39pamauryWater: I'm compiling, I will upload the build in a few minutes
21:06:52pamauryFor reference, I'm assigning you revision acaedfd
21:07:07WaterWhat about mSD card? Should one be in the Fuze+? Should the playlist be on internal or mSD?
21:07:21gevaertsOh, you're trying out distributed bisecting?
21:07:33pamauryWater: internal storage, I did my benchmark without a mSD
21:07:42WaterWill duplicate.
21:07:44pamaurygevaerts: yeah, it worked pretty well ;)
21:07:52gevaertsClever :)
21:08:05pamauryWe have only 20 revisions to go and even less interesting ones to go
21:10:15pamauryuploading...damn it is slow, I should have done this at the lab
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21:12:45pamaurygevaerts: by the way, I have a begun some editing on the wiki, I would like to document more how to port rockbox to new targets, especially on the imx233. Maybe that will be useful to other people
21:13:44Waterpamaury: I have time. Any settings important? (backlight, replaygain, etc.)
21:14:05pamauryyeah, you should reset all settings (you can save yours before) and only enable repeat all
21:14:08WaterOh, and what about headphones? Earbuds can be plugged in?
21:14:24pamauryyou must plug headphones, any kind your want
21:14:52pamauryI will explain you everything in a moment
21:15:23WaterOkay, sorry. I'll wait.
21:19:45pamaury1) dowload this:
21:19:45pamaury2) extract it at the root of device
21:19:45pamaury3) put all the music files you need on the device
21:19:45DBUGEnqueued KICK pamaury
21:19:45pamaury4) reboot
21:19:45pamaury5) reset settings, enable repeat all
21:19:46***Alert Mode level 1
21:19:46pamaury6) go into Plugins > Application > battery bench, touch play/pause
21:19:49pamaury7) make sure it's running by running it again: it should say it's running
21:19:51pamaury8) select a playlist and start it
21:19:53pamaury9) go into While Playing Screen and lock the player
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21:34:30WaterOkay. Test started on 320kb/s CBR mp3's.
21:37:03pamaurythanks :)
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21:38:50lebelliumpamaury: double typo "which is a rebandred Sigamtel STMP3780" :)
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21:40:49WaterMy pleasure.
21:41:01pamaurylebellium: damn, you follow my every move :)
21:41:14pamauryif you spot any more mistake, feel free to correct it ;)
21:42:45lebelliumpamaury: feel free to add to the usergroup :P
21:42:56pamauryah yeah
21:43:01pamauryok I will, you win
21:43:20pamauryyou deserve it
21:43:25lorenzo92finally :D
21:43:53pamaurycan you recall me which page I should edit ?
21:44:04pamaury(that's the entry test)
21:44:19pamauryyou have 1 minute :p
21:45:03pamaurythanks ;)
21:46:02lebelliumactually I don't really know what's the best way to find wiki pages when they no longer appear on the home page
21:46:09lebelliumI used the search bar for this one
21:47:37pamaurythis is ridiculous, this page is so large it takes ages to load with my connection
21:49:02lebelliumAnyone knows how to display more than the 20 latest wiki edits?
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21:51:52pamaurylebellium: it should be done now
21:52:04pamauryah no, the wiki timed out on update :(
21:52:25lebelliumgreat Portuguese connection :D
21:53:58gevaertspamaury: shall I do it?
21:54:05gevaertsOr did you get through by now?
21:58:40bluebrother^pamaury: pong
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21:59:25pamaurybluebrother^: wodz has a problem with my Qt qeditor, can you try it on your box to see if it works ?
22:00:15pamauryand if you spot anything weird
22:00:27pamauryon wodz box it fails to start with a ready weird error about pthread
22:00:38pamaurylebellium: try now
22:01:03bluebrother^soc_desc.cpp:106:12: error: ‘UINT32_MAX’ was not declared in this scope
22:01:40chrisjj_[Saint] "hops,13462.msg221575.html#msg221575 isn;t too assholeish". I'd say not too assholeish. :)
22:03:54lebelliumpamaury: ok I successfully edited my 1st page. I promise the RB community won't regret overlooking my name :D
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22:05:54bluebrotherseems to work
22:05:58bluebrotherat least it doesn't crash
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22:18:31wodzbluebrother: try to load SoC description XML file thats when it crashes on my box
22:22:37bluebrotherwodz: anyone or a special one?
22:23:03bluebrotherhmm, it hangs for me
22:23:27pamaurybluebrother: can you trace the problem with gdb ?
22:23:41bluebrotherah, no. It just doesn't do anything if I haven't clicked New / Register Tab first
22:25:07bluebrotherI now have multiple copies of the same entry in SoC selection but it doesn't crash
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22:26:07bluebrotherhmm, why does it use ""?
22:26:29pamauryprobably a typo :)
22:26:37pamauryyou can load soc desc outside of any tab
22:26:52pamaurybut the software loads standard descs on load already ^^
22:27:06pamauryyou can try load dumps from the regdumps directory with the right panel
22:28:05bluebrotherok, loaded one. Works for me
22:28:23wodzwhich file, I'll try here
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22:29:52bluebrothertried a couple of others, still no crash
22:31:49wodztry load File->Load->SoC description and choose any of the regtools/desc xml files
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22:35:54lebelliumpamaury: you already uploaded fw 1.00 for E370 on your dropbox?
22:36:11bluebrotherworks fine for me.
22:36:26bluebrotherhow did you get Qt? Distro package?
22:37:10wodzbluebrother: yes
22:37:28pamaurylebellium: I think, let me check
22:37:57pamaurylebellium: I uploaded 1.0.1 here;
22:38:05bluebrotherhmm. Strange.
22:38:30bluebrotherI guess you distro didn't split up Qt and made its xml support a separate package?
22:38:40pamaurylebellium: and with rockbox bootloader:
22:38:52CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:38:52*bluebrother tries to remember if that was some kind of Qt plugin or not
22:39:01pamaurybluebrother: the code is using libxml2 and not Qt xml
22:39:23bluebrotherok, then scrap that :)
22:39:25lebelliumpamaury: thanks
22:39:38pamaurythat's because the desc read code is used by other tools, no using qt
22:40:28pamaurylebellium: we may have found the fuze+ power regression and I think it might explain nwz poor battery life
22:40:38pamauryI'm not 100% sure but I'm confident
22:41:37lebelliumthat would be awesome
22:41:39pamauryI will run a NWZ-E360 bench to see
22:44:01lebelliumwhich is the responsible commit?
22:44:36wodzI am out of idea why qeditor crashes on my box :/
22:45:43gevaertsZagor: how are the nightly manuals built? tools/ seems not to find .git for those
22:47:26Zagorby www/tools/
22:47:45Zagorwhat is the error?
22:48:10gevaertsThe symptom is that the footer says "version rUnversioned directory-131125"
22:48:25gevaerts"Unversioned directory" seems to be an error from svnversion
22:48:56wodzbluebrother: What does "Project MESSAGE: Warning: unknown QT: widgets" warning emitted by qmake mean?
22:54:14wodzpamaury: Could this be related with my problem?
22:54:47gevaertsZagor: I'm going to leave this to you. It seems to depend too much on exactly where the tree is and so on, so not much I can see
22:55:04Zagoryeah, I'll take a look
22:56:32bluebrotherwodz: are you using Qt5?
22:56:49wodzbluebrother: no
22:57:30bluebrotherhmm, I'm not getting any warning here
22:58:18wodzqt 4.8.1 default package for precise (LTS)
22:58:24bluebrotherin the qmake file you have a variable QT. That defines which components of Qt are used.
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22:58:48bluebrotherwith Qt5 the widgets part became a separate component, i.e. you need to have QT += widgets in your pro file
22:58:49wodzyes, warning goes away if I remove this line but app still crashes
22:59:01pamaurywodz: indeed, it may be related to init of libxml2 outside of the main thread
22:59:48pamaurythat's a weird restriction
22:59:58wodzpamaury: Actually xmlInitParser() seems to not be called at all
23:00:31pamauryyeah that's what I'm seeing
23:00:32wodzbut companion xmlCleanupParser() is
23:00:35pamauryvery bad overlook
23:02:04pamaurybut the examples on the website don't call it either
23:02:12pamauryah they use LIBXML_TEST_VERSION
23:03:12pamaurywodz: can you try to add LIBXML_TEST_VERSION at the beginning of soc_desc_parse_xml() in utils/regtools/lib/soc_desc.cpp
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23:03:28pamaurywait, it's already called no ?
23:03:46wodzcalled what?
23:04:15pamauryI think I already put this macro in the code so it does not explain the bug
23:04:50wodzah, yes it is at the begining of soc_desc_parse_xml()
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23:05:47pamauryso the only issue I see is that Qt calls the code outside of the main thread
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23:08:06wodzI am not an expert here. I just did some googling and libxml2 ring the bell
23:09:22pamaurycan you try to remove LIBXML_TEST_VERSION from soc_desc.cpp and put into the main() of qeditor ?
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23:12:02wodzhmm it is a bit more complicated. I need to add some libxml2 include to main.cpp I guess
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23:15:12wodzstill crashes
23:18:59pamaurysame error ?
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23:41:51wodzpamaury: yes
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23:43:03pamaurywodz: and does it crash if you don't load an additional soc and load a regular dump ?
23:43:26wodzpamaury: no
23:43:56pamauryok, so that's a good sign that's related to threading
23:45:47pamauryso in your case you have a trivial fix by putting the rk27xx soc desc in the desc/ directory so that's loaded on startup
23:47:08wodzDidn't think about it. But then how do I visualize the content of the file? I don't have any dumps yet
23:47:30pamauryjust open a new tab
23:47:45pamauryit will show you the structure on the left panel
23:47:59pamauryand you can load dumps
23:48:10pamaurythey don't use libxml2, only the description files do
23:48:28pamauryyou file must be named regs-blabla.xml in desc/
23:49:34wodzyeah it works that way
23:50:51pamaurygood, that's not a perfect fix but at least you can work with it
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23:52:50wodzhmm, I can't unwind some of peripherials
23:53:40pamaurycan you pastebin the xml ?
23:54:36fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision ef2b6db, 243 builds, 34 clients.
23:56:34pamaurywhich devices don't unfold ?
23:58:00wodzthe block from GPIO0 to I2S inclusive
23:58:24wodzthen ADC, GPIO1 and HDMA

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