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| 06:32:52 | Bice | I can bring up a web browser and go to download.rockbox.org and it brings up the file system, so it seems like I can connect to it. Why is the Utility program giving me that error? |
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| 11:45:42 | Hero | Hello? |
| 11:47:42 | Hero | Is anyone available to help me? |
| 11:47:56 | rela | wa? |
| 11:48:17 | copper | ask your question |
| 11:48:28 | Hero | I have an ipod 1st generation |
| 11:48:38 | Hero | I'm trying to install rockbox on it |
| 11:49:12 | copper | grayscale LCD? What storage capacity? |
| 11:49:54 | Hero | However, when I attempted to install the ipodpatcher, it seemed to only prefer ipod nano 2nd gen or above |
| 11:50:22 | Hero | I have version 1.1, 80 GB capacity |
| 11:50:59 | copper | so that's definitly NOT "1st generation" |
| 11:51:16 | Hero | The ipodpatcher doesn't recognize my device |
| 11:51:28 | copper | first gen is 5-10 GB |
| 11:51:51 | Hero | Either way, it doesn't recognize my device |
| 11:52:13 | copper | what model is it exactly |
| 11:52:21 | copper | is the front plate plastic or metal? |
| 11:52:27 | Hero | metal |
| 11:52:34 | Hero | I mean plastic |
| 11:52:36 | Hero | :( |
| 11:52:41 | copper | which is it |
| 11:52:56 | Hero | the back of it is metal |
| 11:53:02 | Hero | the front of it is plastic |
| 11:53:06 | copper | what color |
| 11:53:10 | Hero | black |
| 11:53:11 | Hero | :( |
| 11:53:55 | APLU | Hero: hi, you should have a Model No. on your ipod, what's the number ? |
| 11:54:46 | copper | when did you buy it |
| 11:54:57 | copper | and was it first hand or second hand? |
| 11:55:00 | copper | (new or used) |
| 11:55:02 | Hero | A1238 |
| 11:55:08 | Hero | that's a lot of questions |
| 11:55:13 | Hero | it's FAT32 format |
| 11:55:36 | Hero | Model number A1238 |
| 11:55:45 | Hero | Disc format FAT32 |
| 11:55:53 | Hero | I think that should be enough for info |
| 11:56:03 | Hero | It works like a normal ipod |
| 11:56:12 | Hero | It syncs with itunes just fine |
| 11:56:28 | copper | Hero: it's important because there are many different models, some of which require something special to install rockbox on it |
| 11:56:50 | APLU | Hero: ok that's an ipod classic fifth or six generation |
| 11:56:56 | Hero | Okay |
| 11:56:59 | copper | question is which |
| 11:57:02 | Hero | so that means it should work |
| 11:57:11 | copper | no |
| 11:57:14 | APLU | this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_5th_Generation_white_rotated.png or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IPod_classic.png ? |
| 11:58:02 | * | copper blames Apple for the confusion |
| 11:58:26 | Hero | Apple Ipod Classic |
| 11:58:57 | Hero | Do you want to know where it was assembled as well? |
| 11:59:13 | APLU | hum let me guess, in china? :-P |
| 11:59:24 | Hero | Okay, so you at least know that |
| 11:59:35 | copper | so this one? http://www.cdmarket.com.ar/_NcmsImages.aspx/original/6874_ipodclassic_black_image2_20080909.jpg |
| 11:59:45 | copper | and NOT this one? http://makeswordswork.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ipod-classic-black.jpg |
| 11:59:55 | Hero | it's black |
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| 12:00:04 | Hero | but I was just letting you know that it was ipod classic |
| 12:00:23 | [Saint] | It doesn't matter what iteration of Classic it is...fuck. |
| 12:00:35 | [Saint] | Its a Classic. RbUtil CANNOT install on this device. |
| 12:00:46 | Hero | :( |
| 12:00:53 | Hero | Why not? |
| 12:01:23 | copper | [Saint]: I'm not convinced we've properly identified it |
| 12:01:28 | [Saint] | Because its currently an unsupported target. Rockbox Utility doesn't handle any unsupported targets. |
| 12:01:30 | copper | he said the front plate was plastic |
| 12:01:35 | Hero | It's properly identified copper |
| 12:01:38 | Hero | I'm not dumb |
| 12:01:45 | [Saint] | copper: he gave the serial. |
| 12:01:54 | [Saint] | all Classics have that serial, so it doesn;t really matter. |
| 12:01:55 | copper | [Saint]: serial is the same for other ipods |
| 12:01:57 | Hero | I gave the model number |
| 12:02:10 | copper | er, not serial, model number |
| 12:02:11 | Hero | I can give you the serial though if you need it |
| 12:02:19 | copper | and the front plate of the classic is metal, not plastic |
| 12:02:36 | Hero | Well, it's different from the back |
| 12:02:42 | Hero | the back is definitely metal |
| 12:02:43 | [Saint] | Well, assuming the model numer was correct. It can only be a Classic. |
| 12:02:53 | Hero | the model number is correct |
| 12:03:01 | Hero | there's no other possible number it can be |
| 12:03:03 | [Saint] | Then its a Classic. |
| 12:03:24 | [Saint] | It can be 80, 120, or 160GB, but, it'll still be a Classic. |
| 12:03:25 | Hero | So why is it the only ipod that won't work? |
| 12:03:56 | [Saint] | Because its an unsupported target. Rockbox Utility doesn't install for any unsupported targets. |
| 12:04:18 | [Saint] | Installation is currently handled seperately from the Rockbox project, by Freemyipod. |
| 12:04:33 | [Saint] | (and unsupported) |
| 12:04:43 | Hero | You don't have this information posted on your site |
| 12:04:49 | copper | sigh |
| 12:04:51 | Hero | It doesn't say |
| 12:04:58 | Hero | "does not work for ipod classic" |
| 12:05:41 | copper | http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/HT1353/HT1353_classic160.jpg |
| 12:05:46 | copper | so that's your iPod |
| 12:05:50 | copper | that one EXACTLY |
| 12:06:28 | [Saint] | What part of it being three possible variants are you missing, copper? |
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| 12:06:45 | [Saint] | WHat variant it is exactly is unimportant. |
| 12:06:56 | Hero | Maybe you'd be more comfortable if I sent you the information that itunes reports about this device |
| 12:07:01 | Hero | maybe that would convince you |
| 12:07:04 | copper | because the other black ipod is 5th gen, supported by rbutil |
| 12:07:10 | Hero | since the information I give is not enough |
| 12:07:21 | [Saint] | Hero: I'm convinced. |
| 12:07:24 | copper | Hero: anyway, the Classic port is listed on the front page as "unusable" |
| 12:07:35 | Hero | Itunes verifies that I have an ipod classic |
| 12:07:50 | Hero | it's BLACK on the front |
| 12:08:14 | copper | that is awfully unhelpful |
| 12:08:57 | Hero | Okay, I'll send you something that should help |
| 12:09:12 | [Saint] | Most of this conversation past getting the model number has been pointless. |
| 12:09:27 | [Saint] | http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation is the site you need. |
| 12:09:42 | Hero | http://s28.postimg.org/620tz4yrx/Hero_s_IPOD.png |
| 12:09:44 | [Saint] | #freemyipod-support is the channel you can get support for this tool from |
| 12:10:00 | Hero | I just sent a picture file |
| 12:10:04 | Hero | See if that helps |
| 12:11:49 | APLU | oh guys, while you are here, does anyone know what can I do to help with my problems: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2013-12/0007.shtml? |
| 12:13:25 | Hero | By the way, Saint, what will installing EmCORE do? |
| 12:13:29 | [Saint] | APLU: I would start by verifying the filesystem is clean |
| 12:13:50 | [Saint] | Hero: emCORE is a bootloader for Rockbox |
| 12:14:12 | [Saint] | It is currently the only way possible to boot Rockbox on this device. |
| 12:14:12 | Hero | Can you walk me through the steps please? |
| 12:14:24 | Hero | I already have found the correct download |
| 12:14:27 | copper | it's all explained on the freemyipod site |
| 12:14:29 | copper | step by step |
| 12:14:55 | Hero | I just want to make sure I don't screw it up if that's okay with you cooper |
| 12:15:40 | [7] | just try it, you can't do that much wrong |
| 12:15:58 | [Saint] | ^ this man right here wrote the thing, he knows ;) |
| 12:16:26 | copper | [Saint]: so all (actual) Classics have the A1238 model number? |
| 12:16:31 | [7] | if something goes wrong, worst case is typically having to go back to the apple firmware |
| 12:16:34 | copper | and none of the earlier iPods? |
| 12:16:41 | [Saint] | copper: correct |
| 12:16:54 | Hero | As soon as I go to install this, it says |
| 12:17:07 | APLU | [Saint]: dosfsck report FS as clean, but I will try to blank the device & restore/reinstall the ipod with iTunes and try rockbox again |
| 12:17:32 | [7] | Hero: I'd recommend to do the installation on win7 or linux though, win8 has been acting up |
| 12:17:34 | Hero | create file: Error 3 The system cannot find the path specified |
| 12:17:40 | Hero | I have win 7 |
| 12:17:47 | [7] | what does say that? |
| 12:18:02 | Hero | "could not open DFU device" |
| 12:18:12 | [7] | ok, so you don't have the right drivers installed |
| 12:18:13 | Hero | should itunes be open or closed? |
| 12:18:19 | [7] | itunes or non-itunes route? |
| 12:18:23 | [7] | ok, itunes |
| 12:18:27 | [7] | should be closed |
| 12:18:31 | [7] | (but installed) |
| 12:18:39 | [7] | and you need to use the itunes version of the bootstrapper |
| 12:18:46 | copper | "Make sure iTunes is closed" |
| 12:18:52 | Hero | I did use the itunes verion |
| 12:18:52 | [7] | there's also some trouble with the most recent itunes versions... |
| 12:18:54 | copper | that's what the installation documentation says |
| 12:18:58 | copper | you need to read it |
| 12:19:19 | copper | http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/DFUiTunes |
| 12:19:27 | Hero | I see that I didn't make sure itunes was closed |
| 12:19:29 | copper | written black on white |
| 12:19:30 | Hero | sorry |
| 12:19:55 | [7] | ok, so start over, kill everything apple-ish, and reboot the ipod into DFU again |
| 12:20:12 | Hero | they shouldn't have put "download this file" as the first thing I read |
| 12:20:37 | [Saint] | Its generally expected that people read the instructions before blindly charging ahead. |
| 12:20:45 | [Saint] | But, obviously we can't control this. |
| 12:20:58 | * | [7] places bets on where the next place where Hero will get stuck is :P |
| 12:21:02 | Hero | I was trying to follow the instructions |
| 12:21:10 | [7] | my take is the installer's welcome screen :) |
| 12:21:16 | Hero | I thought those were post-installation instructions |
| 12:22:29 | Hero | still not working |
| 12:22:35 | Hero | I made sure itunes was closed |
| 12:23:08 | Hero | Okay, I was supposed to kill some tasks |
| 12:23:22 | Hero | this is quite annoying to say the least |
| 12:23:56 | [7] | trust me, getting a custom driver (that could avoid this mess) to run on 64bit windows is an even larger mess |
| 12:24:16 | [7] | at least trying to automate it |
| 12:24:59 | [7] | zadig has worked surprisingly well though, we could start writing instructions for a third route based on that |
| 12:26:22 | [Saint] | Oh? Nice. |
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| 12:27:11 | copper | uh? |
| 12:27:15 | [Saint] | I recall looking at Zadig a while ago, it seems quite the powerful wee tool. |
| 12:27:23 | Hero | Still not working |
| 12:27:46 | [7] | what's showing in the device manager and on the ipod's screen? |
| 12:30:03 | Hero | Wow |
| 12:30:07 | Hero | I finally got it to work |
| 12:30:11 | Hero | Saint was right |
| 12:30:25 | Hero | I had to read every single instruction to figure it out |
| 12:30:31 | copper | ... |
| 12:30:52 | [7] | there's a reason for them to be there :) |
| 12:30:57 | copper | what do you think those instructions are there for |
| 12:31:07 | copper | to annoy users? |
| 12:31:24 | Hero | yes I do |
| 12:31:35 | Hero | I've installed thousands of sofware |
| 12:31:43 | Hero | most of them were automated |
| 12:31:52 | Hero | this is something like a manual install |
| 12:32:30 | Hero | It says UMS boot has been launched |
| 12:32:34 | Hero | Now what do I do? |
| 12:32:39 | copper | read the instructions |
| 12:32:40 | copper | PLEASE |
| 12:32:41 | [7] | I surely don't read every little bit of instructions either, but I both seem to be better at skimming through them to decide what's important and what isn't, and I actually start reading them literally when something is acting up... |
| 12:33:39 | Hero | cooper, I know I'm going to screw it up |
| 12:33:47 | Hero | that's why I need help |
| 12:33:49 | copper | if you don't read the instructions, that is likely, yes |
| 12:35:07 | copper | the process isn't easy because of Windows / Apple driver shennanigans, but at least the instructions are completely |
| 12:35:10 | copper | complete* |
| 12:35:19 | copper | they explain what to do, step by step |
| 12:35:25 | copper | which is exactly what you asked for |
| 12:35:30 | copper | step by step instructions |
| 12:36:35 | copper | and it's a bit offensive to completely ignore written instructions and instead ask for live people's time and attention |
| 12:37:25 | Hero | Well, I made it to the emcore installer |
| 12:37:31 | Hero | thank goodness |
| 12:37:42 | Hero | cooper, I came here to get help |
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| 12:38:02 | copper | first, it's copper, not cooper |
| 12:38:11 | copper | second, we can't help if you don't read the written instructions |
| 12:38:20 | Hero | The thing is |
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| 12:38:39 | Hero | getting to the emcore installer is the end of the instructions |
| 12:39:02 | [7] | now you should have instructions on the screen of the ipod? |
| 12:39:11 | copper | at what instruction are you right now, exactly? |
| 12:39:11 | [7] | you're now getting into the automated part |
| 12:39:46 | Hero | I had to press menu and play buttons simultaneously |
| 12:40:05 | Hero | Now it's at boot menu |
| 12:40:13 | Hero | and I see a rockbox logo |
| 12:40:20 | Hero | but no more instruction |
| 12:40:27 | [7] | there are some more on the wiki |
| 12:40:31 | copper | jesus |
| 12:40:33 | [7] | how to properly install rockbox |
| 12:40:39 | copper | "Even though Rockbox starts, the installation is not complete yet. Continue reading and following the instructions to the end of the page!" |
| 12:40:41 | Hero | :( |
| 12:40:44 | copper | in bold red letters |
| 12:40:49 | Hero | sorry |
| 12:40:57 | Hero | I'm so dumb |
| 12:41:16 | Hero | I don't see the "more instruction" |
| 12:41:26 | Hero | where is that part [7] ? |
| 12:41:33 | copper | Hero: please link to the instruction page that you are at right now |
| 12:41:40 | [7] | the "more instructions" is basically extracting the rockbox zip file onto the ipod and rebooting it |
| 12:42:12 | Hero | http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/UMSboot |
| 12:42:23 | Hero | [7] can you link me to that part? |
| 12:42:25 | Hero | I don't see it |
| 12:42:38 | copper | you don't see the line that I quoted? |
| 12:42:39 | copper | in red? |
| 12:43:11 | [7] | ouch, who messed up that wiki page |
| 12:43:22 | Hero | I'm using ice chat cooper |
| 12:43:24 | [7] | those headlines make it appear as if those were linux-only instructions |
| 12:43:31 | Hero | It didn't highlight anything you said in red |
| 12:43:45 | [7] | the line is in read on the wiki, not here |
| 12:43:59 | copper | oh god… |
| 12:44:21 | Hero | I agree with [7] |
| 12:44:26 | Hero | It says on LINUX |
| 12:44:34 | Hero | I have win 7 |
| 12:44:41 | Hero | so I dis-regarded that part |
| 12:46:31 | [7] | I've reverted that wiki change for now |
| 12:46:37 | [7] | now it should be more clear |
| 12:47:03 | Ketturi | *panic* in lastest dev build |
| 12:47:38 | copper | [7]: maybe you should update the link to the rockbox build archive |
| 12:47:51 | copper | so that people download the latest build instead of that 2 year old build |
| 12:48:11 | Hero | thanks [7] |
| 12:48:23 | Hero | and saint |
| 12:48:30 | [7] | copper: I'll happily do so (and update the fallback image) once we've fixed that USB mess |
| 12:48:37 | Hero | cooper, you should work on your people skills |
| 12:48:54 | [7] | Hero: I wouldn't say that |
| 12:49:13 | Ketturi | *PANIC* playlist_resume(): OOM pc:000122F44 sp:4000AC20 A: 0004C7D0 bt end |
| 12:49:29 | copper | Hero: it's COPPER |
| 12:49:35 | copper | you really cannot read |
| 12:49:58 | copper | 11:38:03 UTC <copper> first, it's copper, not cooper |
| 12:50:12 | copper | you keep calling me cooper |
| 12:50:27 | Hero | I have a friend named cooper |
| 12:50:32 | Hero | It's a bad habit |
| 12:50:33 | copper | I'm not your friend |
| 12:50:40 | * | [7] wonders if icechat doesn't have name autocompletion :P |
| 12:50:57 | Hero | It does, I just don't know how to use it |
| 12:51:08 | Hero | I'm not tech savvy |
| 12:51:20 | [7] | typically type the first one or two letters as a unique prefix and hit tab |
| 12:51:20 | Ketturi | c and TAB... |
| 12:51:22 | copper | oh, you're not? |
| 12:51:28 | copper | I thought you installed THOUSANDS of software |
| 12:51:36 | Hero | I know that comes as a surprise to you cooper |
| 12:51:41 | Hero | but no, I'm not |
| 12:51:43 | copper | and if you're not tech savvy, why do you insist on ignoring written instruction? |
| 12:51:45 | [7] | lol |
| 12:51:50 | [7] | and again |
| 12:51:50 | [7] | wow |
| 12:51:58 | Hero | well, put it this way |
| 12:52:07 | Hero | Compared to you guys, I'm not |
| 12:52:27 | copper | COPPER |
| 12:52:32 | copper | C.O.P.P.E.R. |
| 12:52:38 | copper | god damn it |
| 12:52:40 | [7] | so... someone gonna fix USB on the classic? |
| 12:52:43 | Hero | I don't like that word |
| 12:52:45 | Ketturi | but yeah, there is sometingh fishy going on with lastests iPod 5.5G build... |
| 12:52:53 | Hero | because it reminds me of cop |
| 12:53:11 | Hero | and it actually auto-completed that time |
| 12:53:15 | [Saint] | Lets keep this on topic, shall we? |
| 12:53:31 | [Saint] | And nice things up a bit. |
| 12:53:51 | Hero | Saint and [7] helped me completely |
| 12:53:57 | Hero | which I appreciate |
| 12:56:02 | [Saint] | Hero: Oh, before you go - http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html |
| 12:56:11 | Ketturi | and now whole ipod is not detected as disk drive... |
| 12:56:20 | [Saint] | The iPod Classic doesn;t have a manual yet, due to being unsupported currently. |
| 12:56:35 | [Saint] | But, the manual for the iPod Video is basically the same. |
| 12:56:57 | [Saint] | With the exception of supporting a couple of features the Classic doesn't at this point. Like FM and Recording. |
| 12:57:12 | Hero | Do I have to install anything else? |
| 12:57:18 | [Saint] | No. |
| 12:57:25 | Hero | thank goodness |
| 12:57:42 | copper | optionally: fonts and themes |
| 12:57:51 | [Saint] | That link is just a link to some documentation you may find useful |
| 12:58:01 | Hero | Okay |
| 12:58:08 | copper | assuming you did follow the final instructions and installed the latest rockbox build |
| 12:58:18 | Hero | To be honest, all I wanted to do is to be able to play .flac files |
| 12:58:35 | Hero | on my ipod |
| 12:58:46 | copper | you also might want to go in the settings menu of emCORE and set Rockbox as the default boot option, and set the quick boot parameter thingy |
| 12:59:07 | copper | so that your iPod boots straight into Rockbox when you turn it on |
| 12:59:29 | Hero | copper, how do you set the quick boot thingy? |
| 13:00 |
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| 13:00:18 | copper | turn off the ipod (long press play), turn it back on |
| 13:00:29 | copper | use the scroll wheel to show the tools icon |
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| 13:01:56 | copper | instructions for that are missing from the emcore wiki, btw |
| 13:03:34 | copper | click on the emcore tools icon, -> settings -> Default action: Rockbox |
| 13:03:44 | copper | and "fastboot action" -> rockbox |
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| 13:06:17 | Hero | the default is set to rockbox but rockbox doesn't load automatically when I turn on the ipod |
| 13:06:26 | copper | what I just said |
| 13:06:36 | copper | 12:03:45 UTC <copper> and "fastboot action" -> rockbox |
| 13:08:27 | Hero | Okay, that worked |
| 13:08:43 | Hero | anything else I need to do? |
| 13:08:58 | copper | did you download http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html ? |
| 13:09:05 | copper | er |
| 13:09:06 | copper | no |
| 13:09:28 | Hero | What do I need that for? |
| 13:09:30 | copper | http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip |
| 13:09:32 | copper | this |
| 13:09:36 | copper | that's the latest build |
| 13:09:55 | copper | did you download that and unpack it onto your iPod while mounted as an external drive on your PC? |
| 13:09:55 | Hero | so do I have to follow a long list of instructions again? |
| 13:09:58 | copper | no |
| 13:10:26 | Hero | hang on |
| 13:10:34 | copper | boot rockbox, plug into your PC via USB, unpack that zip file onto your iPod that is mounted like an external hard drive |
| 13:11:12 | copper | then unplug your iPod; the screen should read something like "new version of rockbox detected, would you like to reboot?" |
| 13:11:16 | copper | say yes |
| 13:11:22 | Hero | hang on |
| 13:11:26 | copper | the iPod will reboot, running the latest version of Rockbox |
| 13:11:34 | Hero | let me see if I can try that without screwing anything up |
| 13:11:59 | copper | tell your unpacking software to replace existing files |
| 13:12:45 | Hero | it's too late |
| 13:12:50 | Hero | I already unpacked |
| 13:13:00 | Hero | what should I do? |
| 13:13:16 | copper | what? |
| 13:13:36 | copper | didn't your unpacking software ask about overwriting existing files? |
| 13:13:37 | Hero | I unpacked the files without telling my software to replace existing files |
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| 13:13:44 | Hero | no, it did not |
| 13:14:00 | copper | then I assume you never actually installed rockbox |
| 13:14:14 | Hero | Hmmm |
| 13:14:18 | copper | because otherwise, it would have asked you for confirmation |
| 13:14:31 | Hero | okay, so what should I do now at this ponit |
| 13:14:38 | copper | unplug the ipod |
| 13:14:47 | Hero | it's unplugged |
| 13:14:55 | copper | what does it say on the iPod screen |
| 13:15:17 | Hero | I'm on the main page of Rockbox |
| 13:15:35 | copper | long press play until the iPod turns off |
| 13:15:40 | Hero | rockbox-ipod6g is in my files |
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| 13:15:55 | copper | what |
| 13:15:57 | copper | the zip file?? |
| 13:16:07 | Hero | not the zip file |
| 13:16:15 | Hero | just the file that was inside the zip |
| 13:17:04 | copper | "THE" file? |
| 13:17:13 | Hero | yes |
| 13:17:16 | copper | one single file? |
| 13:17:19 | Hero | yes |
| 13:17:36 | Hero | I thought that was what I was supposed to do |
| 13:17:51 | copper | the zip file doesn't contain one file |
| 13:17:56 | Hero | actually, it's only showing up as a folder |
| 13:18:03 | Hero | but there doesn't seem to be anything in it |
| 13:18:56 | copper | you need to unpack the zip file at the root of the iPod |
| 13:19:27 | Hero | that's what I thought I did |
| 13:19:28 | copper | it will create a .rockbox directory at the root of your iPod, containing a whole bunch of files and directories, visible from your PC |
| 13:19:56 | Hero | that's what I believe I have set up already |
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| 13:20:52 | copper | let's check something first |
| 13:20:58 | copper | long press "play" to turn off the ipod |
| 13:21:01 | copper | then turn it back on |
| 13:21:07 | copper | let me know when you're done |
| 13:21:32 | copper | while unplugged, I mean |
| 13:21:37 | Hero | I'm done |
| 13:21:38 | copper | unplug, turn off, turn back on |
| 13:21:40 | Hero | now what |
| 13:21:44 | copper | so you see the rockbox menu? |
| 13:21:50 | Hero | yes |
| 13:22:00 | copper | go in the System menu |
| 13:22:07 | copper | then "Rockbox Info" |
| 13:22:11 | Hero | oka |
| 13:22:19 | copper | what does the Version line read? |
| 13:22:59 | Hero | r31515-120101 |
| 13:23:04 | copper | sigh |
| 13:23:11 | Hero | r31516-120101 |
| 13:23:14 | Hero | sorry |
| 13:23:27 | Hero | I told you I would screw it up |
| 13:24:43 | Hero | copper, help me |
| 13:24:48 | copper | can some other Windows user please guide Hero into unpacking the latest build onto the root of the iPod? |
| 13:25:24 | copper | let's try it this way |
| 13:25:32 | Hero | okay |
| 13:25:38 | copper | Hero: unpack the rockbox-ipod6g.zip file onto your hard drive, not the ipod |
| 13:25:59 | copper | it should produce a directory that's called '.rockbox' (notice the leading point) |
| 13:26:08 | copper | yes? |
| 13:26:14 | Hero | just a second |
| 13:26:22 | Hero | I just want to know something |
| 13:26:29 | Hero | what did I do wrong the first time |
| 13:26:38 | Hero | I mean, we are assuming I did it wrong the first time |
| 13:26:40 | * | [Saint] points out that Rockbox Utility will work *now* |
| 13:26:42 | copper | I don't know because I can't see what you're doing |
| 13:26:44 | Hero | which is unfair |
| 13:27:20 | copper | [Saint]: is it foolproof? |
| 13:27:35 | Hero | the .rockbox file is already on my ipod root directory |
| 13:27:43 | copper | Hero: it's an old one |
| 13:27:49 | copper | it's almost 3 years old |
| 13:28:00 | copper | er |
| 13:28:03 | copper | 2 years old |
| 13:28:13 | * | [Saint] points out that the instructions don;t actually state that one should flash an updated build |
| 13:28:20 | copper | I know |
| 13:28:24 | [Saint] | as, one shouldn;t, generally speaking. |
| 13:28:44 | Hero | Hang on |
| 13:28:50 | Hero | I'm trying something on my own |
| 13:28:53 | Hero | I'll get back to you |
| 13:28:55 | copper | [Saint]: if he comes back here and complains about some rockbox problem on a 2 year old build, won't you guys request that he install the latest build? |
| 13:29:23 | Hero | Ha |
| 13:29:28 | Hero | I tried something on my own |
| 13:29:46 | Hero | and now it asks about boot change |
| 13:29:53 | copper | ok, reboot |
| 13:29:58 | Hero | now it says |
| 13:30:09 | Hero | version 8566cd7-131224 |
| 13:30:12 | Hero | boom |
| 13:30:15 | copper | congratulations |
| 13:30:44 | Hero | My tech-savvy skills are on empty but I still managed to remember something |
| 13:30:51 | copper | you are now running the latest version of Rockbox for the iPod Classic |
| 13:31:03 | Hero | It's about time |
| 13:31:20 | Hero | I didn't think I would make it this far |
| 13:31:32 | Hero | I couldn't have done it without copper, saint and 7 |
| 13:31:43 | copper | you can now install extra fonts http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.13/rockbox-fonts-3.13.zip and some custom themes http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipodvideo |
| 13:32:09 | copper | many themes requires one or more font from the font pack linked above |
| 13:32:15 | [Saint] | But I really recommend Rockbox Utility for that. |
| 13:32:16 | copper | requireù |
| 13:32:20 | copper | require* |
| 13:32:39 | Hero | What's Rockbox Utility |
| 13:32:45 | copper | http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 13:32:47 | copper | this |
| 13:32:51 | copper | the "Installer" |
| 13:33:03 | copper | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility |
| 13:33:09 | [Saint] | As long as you can tick the "unsupported targets" box, Rockbox Utility should autodetect the device. |
| 13:33:11 | Hero | will I be able to install it with no problem? |
| 13:33:53 | [Saint] | One should hope so. Its supposed to be fool proof. :) |
| 13:34:11 | [Saint] | The only probalem is it can't *install* Rockbox on the Classic. |
| 13:34:25 | [Saint] | But, it can update it, and install themes and other files. |
| 13:34:26 | copper | but Rockbox is already installed on your system |
| 13:34:31 | copper | so that's fine |
| 13:34:43 | Hero | should I unpack the files to the root directory again? |
| 13:34:53 | copper | yes, or use the Rockbox Utility |
| 13:35:44 | Hero | it recognizes the device but says my configuration is invalid |
| 13:36:05 | [Saint] | that path is probably wrong. |
| 13:36:11 | [Saint] | *the path |
| 13:36:21 | Hero | it's not |
| 13:36:28 | Hero | the path is E |
| 13:36:45 | Hero | I think the problem is that the utlity doesn't recognize ipod classic |
| 13:36:50 | copper | 12:33:10 UTC <[Saint]> As long as you can tick the "unsupported targets" box, Rockbox Utility should autodetect the device. |
| 13:36:53 | [Saint] | It does. |
| 13:36:58 | Hero | it doesn't even have it as selectable from the menu |
| 13:37:25 | Hero | when I click auto-detect, it stops working |
| 13:37:38 | copper | did you tick the "unsupported targets" box? |
| 13:37:41 | [Saint] | There should be a very obvious checkbox to show disabled targets on the UI. |
| 13:38:06 | copper | was gonna say |
| 13:38:38 | Hero | there's no "unsupported targets" |
| 13:38:52 | copper | it's actually called "disabled targets" |
| 13:39:20 | Hero | Okay I found it |
| 13:39:21 | Hero | but |
| 13:39:28 | Hero | now it says mountpoint unwriteable |
| 13:39:33 | copper | then you'll find the "iPod Classic (6th gen)" entry under "Apple" |
| 13:39:45 | Hero | copper, I made it that far already |
| 13:39:52 | Hero | but now a new error shows up |
| 13:39:58 | Hero | mountpoint unwriteable |
| 13:40:10 | [Saint] | That's...odd. |
| 13:40:10 | Hero | says I need to fix errors before continuing |
| 13:40:30 | [Saint] | Argh. Probably wasn;t unmounted cleanly. GAh. |
| 13:40:42 | Hero | How do I fix it? |
| 13:41:07 | copper | Hero: you didn't click "eject" before unplugging the iPod? |
| 13:41:23 | Hero | probably not |
| 13:41:24 | copper | or "eject safely" or something like that |
| 13:41:31 | Hero | hmmm |
| 13:41:33 | copper | you never do that, even with USB flash drives? |
| 13:41:42 | Hero | never |
| 13:41:48 | copper | Yikes. |
| 13:41:58 | Hero | never ran into a problem until now though |
| 13:42:33 | copper | I'll leave the rest to Windows users |
| 13:42:43 | Hero | If I were still in the military they would demote me for negligence |
| 13:42:44 | [Saint] | I'm entirely unfamiliar with chkdsk on Windows. |
| 13:42:59 | Hero | I have to run chkdsk to fix it? |
| 13:43:49 | copper | the emcore installation page says "Safely eject (or unmount on Linux) your iPod's hard disk drive" |
| 13:44:00 | [Saint] | Assuming that's the fault, it may be able to recover it, yes. |
| 13:44:01 | copper | but I guess that requires a screenshot of what exactly that is |
| 13:44:28 | copper | which was there until [7] removed it |
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| 13:44:40 | Hero | copper, we ran into problems and I had to keep plugging and unplugging |
| 13:44:53 | Hero | initially, I did eject |
| 13:44:53 | copper | http://kb.sandisk.com/euf/assets/images/faqs/309/id104-w7-eject.gif |
| 13:44:57 | [Saint] | Running chkdsk with the auto fix and badblocks options may do the trick. |
| 13:44:59 | copper | that's "safely ejecting" ^^ |
| 13:45:18 | Hero | copper, read my previous comment |
| 13:45:27 | copper | Hero: you need to "safely eject" every time |
| 13:45:33 | copper | with all external storage devices |
| 13:45:34 | Hero | oh well |
| 13:45:45 | Hero | what's the downside of not doing so? |
| 13:45:50 | [Saint] | This |
| 13:45:51 | copper | USB flash drives, USB HDD drives, iPods, sd cards, everything |
| 13:46:04 | copper | Hero: file system corruption |
| 13:46:05 | Hero | I never ran into any problems until now |
| 13:46:13 | copper | you got lucky |
| 13:46:27 | Hero | to me, this is just an installation error |
| 13:46:37 | Hero | or an error related to installation |
| 13:47:19 | Hero | I watched youtube videos. Even those tech guys remove their usb without ejecting |
| 13:47:55 | copper | if they didn't write data to it, the flash drive filesystem might be ok |
| 13:48:08 | copper | but here you wrote data onto the ipod |
| 13:48:22 | Hero | I see |
| 13:48:29 | Hero | oh well |
| 13:48:47 | Hero | I've been using these devices for years and never used eject |
| 13:48:58 | Hero | so I didn't think it would be a big deal |
| 13:49:09 | copper | what do you think the option is there for |
| 13:49:14 | Hero | I don't have tech savvy buddies to hang out with to warn me about these things |
| 13:49:50 | Hero | It's there for people who like to be "uber" safe |
| 13:50:00 | copper | No. |
| 13:50:13 | copper | it's there to prevent file system fuckups like the one you're experiencing right now |
| 13:50:24 | APLU | [Saint]: I've fully blanked (with dd) and I did a restore of my nano2g with itunes, then I installed RB, it still crash quickly with RB 3.10 |
| 13:50:39 | Hero | I see |
| 13:50:53 | copper | Hero: Windows (and other operating systems) don't immediately write data onto USB storage devices |
| 13:51:02 | copper | the data is fist cached, and then written later |
| 13:51:19 | Hero | The average joe doesn't know stuff like this |
| 13:51:22 | copper | if you unplug the device without "safely ejecting", some of the data may have been written, and some not |
| 13:51:26 | Hero | we just buy the devices and use them |
| 13:51:31 | copper | and / or incorrectly written |
| 13:51:31 | Hero | then learn from trial and error |
| 13:51:42 | APLU | I have "SWI at 6A60" on my display :( |
| 13:51:59 | copper | Hero: I have no idea where the average Joe learns how to use computers |
| 13:52:32 | copper | and since nothing comes with a manual anymore… |
| 13:52:39 | copper | (and since no-one reads them anyway) |
| 13:52:47 | Hero | I never sat in on an official computer course. |
| 13:52:47 | copper | (like you earlierà |
| 13:52:49 | copper | (like you earlier) |
| 13:53:06 | Hero | When I was little, I was sent to the computer room to play games on it |
| 13:53:22 | Hero | and I learned how to use the computer on my own |
| 13:53:49 | Hero | They didn't give us any manuals to read ever |
| 13:54:01 | Hero | and yes, you can buy usb devices without manuals now |
| 13:54:14 | Hero | so it's negligence on the part of the people that sell such devices |
| 13:54:16 | copper | I remember back when the Macintosh IICX booted into an animated tutorial on how to use the computer |
| 13:54:24 | PurlingNayuki | Any committer here? |
| 13:54:46 | PurlingNayuki | My fix at G#700 should be commited. |
| 13:54:47 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #700 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/700 : by PurlingNayuki (changes/00/700/1) |
| 13:56:17 | PurlingNayuki | And a new volume limiter feature at G#697 needs more testers and reviewrs. |
| 13:56:18 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #697 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/697 : Implement volume limiter feature by PurlingNayuki (changes/97/697/4) |
| 13:57:37 | Hero | Never owned a mac ever |
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| 13:59:13 | copper | Hero: if it's any consolation, you pretty much chose the most problematic device to install Rockbox on |
| 13:59:32 | copper | which is why the Classic is listed as "unusable" on the front page of the Rockbox web site |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:26 | Hero | that combined with my un-techsavvyness equals recipe for disaster |
| 14:00:32 | copper | your first mistake was to incorrectly identify your iPod, which is very common (Apple is to blame for that) |
| 14:00:55 | copper | which is why I asked you a whole bunch of questions, because users almost always get it wrong |
| 14:01:10 | Hero | I feel like I got everything wrong |
| 14:01:11 | copper | now thanks to [Saint], I know just to ask for the model number at the back of the iPod |
| 14:01:26 | Hero | if this was an exam, I failed terribly |
| 14:01:45 | copper | Hero: when doing an exam, it helps to read the questions fully |
| 14:01:59 | copper | swap "questions" for "instructions", and you got the idea |
| 14:02:20 | Hero | When doing an exam, I have to read the instructions and the questions carefully |
| 14:02:37 | Hero | unfortunately, I usually screw up at least one of them or both |
| 14:03:21 | copper | anyway |
| 14:03:34 | copper | you should use whatever Windows tool to "fix" the filesystem on your iPod |
| 14:03:49 | copper | or you could just reformat the partition with emCORE and install Rockbox again |
| 14:04:07 | copper | the second option is more "fool proof" IMO |
| 14:04:17 | copper | it ensures you've got a clean install |
| 14:04:19 | Hero | wait |
| 14:04:25 | Hero | something is wrong with my ipod |
| 14:04:35 | Hero | it shut off and won't turn back on |
| 14:04:43 | Hero | the battery was completely full before |
| 14:05:03 | Hero | wtf |
| 14:05:32 | copper | I have to go for a bit |
| 14:05:33 | APLU | Hero: try to reset it, check the lock button |
| 14:05:43 | Hero | there we go |
| 14:05:50 | Hero | I was worried for a second there |
| 14:06:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:07:26 | Hero | Now there seems to be the equivalent of a blue screen on the ipod |
| 14:07:52 | Hero | somebody help |
| 14:13:34 | Hero | my computer is not recognizing my ipod anymore |
| 14:16:54 | APLU | Hero: i don't know if your model have a disk mode, mine as and I can restore it with itunes in this mode whatever happen :) |
| 14:17:21 | Hero | Hang on let me try something |
| 14:19:05 | Hero | This is my first time running itunes since installing rockbox |
| 14:19:27 | copper | your Rockboxed iPod won't work with iTunes |
| 14:19:27 | Hero | I think itunes is a bit confused about my current configuration |
| 14:21:08 | Hero | Okay, so I'm screwed then |
| 14:21:30 | copper | why screwed |
| 14:21:45 | Hero | because my computer won't recognize my ipod anymore |
| 14:22:07 | copper | Hero: unplug the ipod, turn it off (long press play) |
| 14:22:09 | Hero | and there are many strange things happening now |
| 14:22:17 | Hero | I did that already |
| 14:22:18 | copper | then press play and keep pressing play while it boots |
| 14:22:23 | copper | it should bring you to the emcore menu |
| 14:22:29 | Hero | It will re-boot again |
| 14:22:30 | Hero | but |
| 14:22:35 | Hero | it will eventually freeze up |
| 14:22:47 | copper | please do what I just said |
| 14:22:50 | Hero | that's what's happened the least several times |
| 14:22:54 | copper | that should boot into emcore instead of rockbox |
| 14:22:58 | Hero | Okay, I'm just letting you know what will happen |
| 14:23:23 | copper | no, emcore should boot fine |
| 14:23:27 | copper | not rockbox, emcore |
| 14:23:39 | copper | let me know when you have the emcore menu |
| 14:23:39 | Hero | bro |
| 14:23:46 | Hero | nothing happens when I hold down play |
| 14:23:50 | Hero | I have to re-set |
| 14:24:00 | Hero | my ipod is in freeze mode |
| 14:24:19 | copper | then long press menu and play until you're at the emcore meny |
| 14:24:22 | copper | menu* |
| 14:24:33 | copper | er |
| 14:24:35 | copper | select and menu |
| 14:24:52 | Hero | No, it still auto-boots to rockbox |
| 14:25:04 | copper | I said, keep the buttons pressed until it boots into emcore |
| 14:25:25 | Hero | I had to reset the device copper |
| 14:25:30 | Hero | do you understand? |
| 14:25:48 | Hero | once I did that, it boots to rockbox |
| 14:26:06 | copper | because you didn't hold the buttons while it booted |
| 14:26:35 | Hero | Okay, I'm in the boot menu |
| 14:26:38 | Hero | now what? |
| 14:26:47 | copper | you're inside emcore? |
| 14:26:51 | Hero | yes |
| 14:26:55 | copper | with the shutdown icon and the rockbox icon? |
| 14:27:00 | Hero | you think my computer will recognize now? |
| 14:27:09 | copper | no |
| 14:27:12 | copper | it's not over |
| 14:27:23 | Hero | What should I do now? |
| 14:27:27 | copper | use the scrollwheel to go into the emcore Tools menu |
| 14:27:45 | Hero | okay.... |
| 14:27:58 | copper | in the Tools menu, select "Reformat data partition" |
| 14:28:03 | Hero | really? |
| 14:28:05 | copper | yes |
| 14:28:14 | Hero | I have to start all back over again? |
| 14:28:19 | copper | not all over |
| 14:28:23 | copper | since emcore is already installed |
| 14:28:42 | Hero | I see a list of no's and yes's |
| 14:28:49 | copper | select yes |
| 14:29:09 | Hero | lol, I think I know why it is configured that way |
| 14:29:23 | copper | once the data partition is reformated, you'll be able to boot into the fallback Rockbox image |
| 14:29:30 | Hero | I see |
| 14:29:41 | copper | then while the fallback Rockbox is running, connect to your computer and unpack the latest rockbox build zip |
| 14:29:52 | Hero | okay hang on |
| 14:30:12 | copper | and make sure to SAFELY EJECT before you unplug the ipod |
| 14:30:15 | Hero | it recognizes my device again |
| 14:30:15 | copper | ALWAYS |
| 14:30:21 | Hero | okay |
| 14:30:31 | copper | yes that was the point of that operation |
| 14:30:35 | Hero | that's a difficult habit to re-intoduce |
| 14:30:42 | Hero | but we'll see what happens |
| 14:31:01 | copper | if you don't safely eject before unplugging, you will almost certainly run into troubles like earlier |
| 14:31:06 | copper | sooner or later |
| 14:31:22 | Hero | No, that was my first time ever running into such trouble |
| 14:31:50 | copper | feel free to disregard my advice, but then I won't help you fix it a second time |
| 14:32:05 | Hero | You already showed me how to fix it |
| 14:32:18 | Hero | I won't forget how to fix it if it ever happens again |
| 14:32:34 | copper | except that's the radical approach, which erases all data on your iPod |
| 14:32:56 | copper | so you'll have to reinstall rockbox and copy all your music files all over again |
| 14:33:02 | Hero | I don't plan to have much data on it anyways |
| 14:33:32 | Hero | Before installing rockbox, I only had three songs on the previous os |
| 14:34:18 | copper | so you bought the MP3 player with the largest storage capacity |
| 14:34:24 | copper | Makes sense. |
| 14:34:26 | Hero | Just in case |
| 14:34:41 | copper | Oh, yes, with three songs, you're pretty safe. |
| 14:35:03 | Hero | Actually, one time I needed to re-install win 7 |
| 14:35:17 | Hero | I moved all my computer files to my ipod before doing so |
| 14:35:26 | Hero | so it was useful for that |
| 14:36:15 | Hero | My ipod is the only external usb/hard drive I have right now |
| 14:36:24 | Hero | other than my tablet |
| 14:37:42 | copper | anyway, did you re-install the latest Rockbox build? (unpack the rockbox zip file at the root of the mounted iPod) |
| 14:39:13 | copper | [Saint] and whoever: shouldn't there be a rockbox IRC channel just for support? #rockbox-support or somethng |
| 14:39:36 | copper | to clear the noise from the actual dev talk |
| 14:39:48 | Hero | yes |
| 14:39:53 | Hero | I re-installed |
| 14:40:00 | Hero | let me try the utility thing now |
| 14:40:10 | copper | Hero: the Version line reads like before? |
| 14:40:12 | Hero | Also, I remembered to eject safely |
| 14:40:25 | copper | *-131224 ? |
| 14:40:26 | Hero | yes I made sure it started with an 8 |
| 14:40:34 | Hero | yes, it is the latest version |
| 14:40:40 | copper | ok |
| 14:44:12 | Hero | The mountpoint is still unwritable |
| 14:44:18 | Hero | we haven't fixed that problem yet |
| 14:44:20 | Hero | but hang on |
| 14:44:25 | Hero | I was trying to do that before |
| 14:45:15 | Hero | interesting |
| 14:45:35 | Hero | I think it is the utility itself that is causing this new problem I am having |
| 14:46:09 | Hero | the ipod is acting up again. Computer won't recognize it again |
| 14:46:22 | Hero | this happened after I tried running the rockbox utility |
| 14:46:39 | Hero | basically, it doesn't like the configuration of my ipod |
| 14:52:14 | Hero | the check disk feature doesn't seem to want to work |
| 14:54:11 | Hero | Actually |
| 14:54:28 | Hero | I think the problem is rockbox itself |
| 14:55:00 | Hero | I reformatted the partition, then I unpacked the files back on to my ipod |
| 14:55:07 | Hero | then I safely removed it |
| 14:55:22 | copper | and then rebooted the iPod? |
| 14:55:27 | Hero | then I turned it back off and on |
| 14:55:43 | Hero | and then I tried reconnecting it back to the computer |
| 14:55:51 | Hero | the computer won't recognize it |
| 14:56:15 | Hero | I'm convinced that it is rockbox itself that is causing this |
| 14:56:25 | copper | what's on your iPod's screen when that happens? |
| 14:56:36 | Hero | currently nothing |
| 14:56:39 | Hero | it shuts off |
| 14:56:56 | Hero | by itself |
| 14:57:04 | copper | are you sure it's not just the display that times out? |
| 14:57:09 | copper | touch the scrollwheel |
| 14:57:16 | Hero | trust me |
| 14:57:19 | Hero | it's not that |
| 14:57:33 | Hero | it doesn't do anything when I touch the scroll wheel or anything else |
| 14:57:42 | copper | never heard of that issue |
| 14:57:44 | Hero | I have to reset the device in order for it to turn back on |
| 14:58:39 | Hero | How many people do you know that attempts to use rockbox with ipod classic gen 6 |
| 14:58:52 | copper | lots |
| 14:58:59 | Hero | hmmm |
| 14:59:01 | copper | it's actually quite popular |
| 14:59:09 | Hero | I guess |
| 14:59:26 | Hero | Well, it's back on now |
| 14:59:33 | Hero | I'm wondering what I should do from here |
| 14:59:34 | copper | and I'm using it myself |
| 14:59:39 | copper | on my iPod Classic |
| 14:59:53 | Hero | interesting |
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| 15:00:02 | copper | but the port has known USB problems |
| 15:00:09 | copper | maybe you're just running into those |
| 15:00:35 | Hero | what port? |
| 15:00:36 | copper | you can try this: turn off the iPod, then turn it back on while keeping a button pressed, to boot into emCORE |
| 15:00:53 | copper | the Rockbox port for the iPod Classic |
| 15:01:17 | copper | from the emCORE menu, go into Tools, then select "Run Rockbox fallback image" |
| 15:01:34 | copper | then when the Rockbox fallback image is running, connect the iPod to your PC via USB |
| 15:01:38 | copper | see if that fixes it |
| 15:01:49 | Hero | booting into emcore doesn't help the computer recognize the device after what I am now calling "the crash" |
| 15:01:56 | copper | the rockbox fallback image is an old build that supposedly works better over USB |
| 15:02:26 | copper | I didn't say to connect via USB while emCORE is running |
| 15:02:28 | Hero | so after "the crash" nothing I do will cause the computer to recognize the ipod unless I reformat and re-load the rockbox files |
| 15:02:38 | copper | did you even try what I just said |
| 15:02:58 | Hero | Yes |
| 15:02:59 | Hero | of course |
| 15:03:31 | copper | then ask [7] |
| 15:04:32 | Hero | actually |
| 15:04:40 | Hero | once I run the fall back image |
| 15:04:53 | Hero | the computer is able to recognize the ipod |
| 15:04:57 | Hero | so what does this mean? |
| 15:07:05 | copper | sigh |
| 15:07:10 | copper | that's what I told you to do |
| 15:07:17 | Hero | Ya, bro |
| 15:07:18 | Hero | and I did it |
| 15:07:22 | Hero | nothing to sigh about |
| 15:07:26 | copper | 14:02:39 UTC <copper> did you even try what I just said |
| 15:07:26 | copper | 14:02:59 UTC <Hero> Yes |
| 15:07:26 | copper | 14:03:00 UTC <Hero> of course |
| 15:07:32 | Hero | bro |
| 15:07:38 | Hero | I know you told me to do it and I did |
| 15:07:45 | Hero | we're moving on now |
| 15:07:47 | copper | 14:01:50 UTC <Hero> booting into emcore doesn't help the computer recognize the device after what I am now calling "the crash" |
| 15:07:58 | Hero | forget about that |
| 15:08:04 | Hero | that was just my incompetence talking |
| 15:08:13 | copper | yes, well, it's tiresome |
| 15:08:22 | Hero | don't give up on me now |
| 15:08:26 | Hero | I've gotten this far |
| 15:08:30 | copper | I should have given up long ago |
| 15:08:53 | Hero | It's the holidays bro. Don't give up your good spirits |
| 15:08:55 | Hero | please |
| 15:09:02 | copper | didn't they teach you rigor at school |
| 15:09:09 | Hero | I'm almost there |
| 15:09:16 | copper | or are you still in school |
| 15:09:17 | Hero | Just need to figure out this last part |
| 15:09:21 | copper | and they didn't cover that part |
| 15:09:32 | Hero | What does rigor have to do with this problem I'm having |
| 15:09:55 | copper | rigor has everything to do with carefully reading instructions and listening to people who are trying to help |
| 15:10:01 | copper | and not assuming anything |
| 15:10:55 | Hero | I did it to the best of my ability |
| 15:10:58 | copper | because as it is now, me and others have had to repeat stuff several times to get you to do the right things |
| 15:11:04 | Hero | I'm sorry if I failed miserably |
| 15:11:15 | Hero | I don't know about all of that |
| 15:11:22 | copper | you don't know anything |
| 15:11:25 | copper | which is the whole point |
| 15:11:35 | Hero | I'm not supposed to |
| 15:11:41 | Hero | This isn't my area of expertise |
| 15:11:44 | copper | yes |
| 15:11:53 | copper | which is why you need to show more rigor |
| 15:11:59 | Hero | Okay. |
| 15:12:01 | Hero | I will try |
| 15:12:01 | copper | you can't take shortcuts |
| 15:12:03 | Hero | let's move on |
| 15:12:05 | copper | you can't make any assumptions |
| 15:12:29 | copper | anyway |
| 15:12:35 | copper | what is the current state of your ipod right now |
| 15:12:42 | copper | plugged / unplugged? |
| 15:12:46 | Hero | plugged |
| 15:12:46 | copper | running Rockbox fallback image? |
| 15:13:33 | Hero | Yes |
| 15:13:38 | Hero | it's running the fall back image |
| 15:13:51 | Hero | If I attempt to run the lastest version |
| 15:13:53 | copper | is the ipod "mounted" on your PC, i.e. do you see it as an external hard drive? |
| 15:13:56 | Hero | it won't recognize the device |
| 15:13:59 | Hero | Yes |
| 15:14:02 | copper | ok |
| 15:14:10 | copper | erase the .rockbox directory on it |
| 15:14:18 | copper | compltely |
| 15:14:23 | copper | completely* |
| 15:14:37 | Hero | are you sure this is a good idea? |
| 15:14:48 | Hero | I did it, but I'm just asking |
| 15:14:52 | copper | yes |
| 15:14:54 | copper | do it |
| 15:14:57 | copper | ok |
| 15:14:59 | Hero | I just said I did it |
| 15:15:21 | copper | now download this zip file, and unpack it at the root of your mounted iPod drive, like before: http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20120102/rockbox-ipodclassic-r31516-20120102.zip |
| 15:15:22 | Hero | can I at least leave it in the trash can |
| 15:15:27 | copper | that's an older release of Rockbox |
| 15:15:47 | Hero | what is downloading an older version going to do? |
| 15:15:55 | copper | which supposedly doesn't have the USB problems of newer builds |
| 15:16:17 | Hero | I could have sworn I already had an older version |
| 15:16:38 | copper | yes, I / we made you install the latest build, but that one doesn't seem to be working properly with your PC |
| 15:16:41 | Hero | isn't that what I had before I upgraded to this newer version? |
| 15:16:45 | copper | yes |
| 15:16:49 | Hero | What I'm saying is |
| 15:16:56 | Hero | why do I have to install another older version |
| 15:17:05 | Hero | when I already had one to begin with before the upgrade |
| 15:17:34 | Hero | isn't the "fall back image" the older version? |
| 15:17:46 | Hero | I'm just inquiring |
| 15:18:12 | copper | yes, but "installing" the older version normally, will allow you to boot it directly instead of fiddling with the Tools menu from emCORE |
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| 15:18:50 | copper | and possibly saving your settings (I don't think the fallback image allows you to do that, though I may be wrong) |
| 15:18:58 | Hero | I see |
| 15:19:12 | Hero | So what do you want me to do now |
| 15:19:23 | Hero | I'm curious to know what you mean by "install normally" |
| 15:19:36 | copper | 14:15:22 UTC <copper> now download this zip file, and unpack it at the root of your mounted iPod drive, like before: http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20120102/rockbox-ipodclassic-r31516-20120102.zip |
| 15:19:40 | copper | I mean that |
| 15:19:43 | copper | ^^ |
| 15:20:33 | copper | then unplug the ipod, turn it off, turn it back on, check in the System -> Rockbox Info menu that you have the correct version (*-120102) |
| 15:20:48 | Hero | Yes, and I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, how is that going to be any different from what we had setup beforehand |
| 15:21:21 | copper | just see if that version allows you to copy files to your ipod via USB without errors |
| 15:21:31 | Hero | Okay, hang on |
| 15:21:50 | Hero | I will try it, but I guess this is just a troubleshooting procedure |
| 15:23:15 | Hero | by unplug, you mean eject first, then unplug |
| 15:23:45 | Hero | I'm just trying to be rigorous |
| 15:23:56 | copper | yes |
| 15:23:58 | copper | indeed |
| 15:24:25 | Hero | yes, I have version *-120102 |
| 15:24:41 | copper | ok, now plug your iPod to your PC via USB |
| 15:24:59 | copper | try to transfer some songs, then "safely eject" and unplug |
| 15:25:26 | Hero | yes my computer recognizes the device |
| 15:25:37 | copper | do the whole thing |
| 15:25:37 | Hero | looks like the latest version has some issue |
| 15:25:41 | Hero | I will |
| 15:25:44 | Hero | I'm just saying |
| 15:25:52 | Hero | the latest version couldn't even make it this far |
| 15:26:00 | copper | 11:48:31 UTC <[7]> copper: I'll happily do so (and update the fallback image) once we've fixed that USB mess |
| 15:26:19 | copper | that's also why the iPod Classic Rockbox port is listed as "unusable" |
| 15:26:31 | copper | to scare off newbies like you |
| 15:26:42 | Hero | I'm not s |
| 15:26:47 | Hero | But I'm not scared |
| 15:26:52 | copper | I can see that |
| 15:27:25 | copper | because, see how much time it took to get it running for you? |
| 15:27:38 | Hero | I guess |
| 15:27:40 | copper | too much effort |
| 15:27:56 | Hero | but honestly, I don't think the problem is on my end |
| 15:28:00 | copper | notice how everyone else disappeared |
| 15:28:12 | Hero | the install procedure is jacked up |
| 15:28:20 | Hero | I've been installing programs for years |
| 15:28:25 | copper | Hero: USB problems with the Rockbox port for the iPod Classic are known |
| 15:28:26 | Hero | never had any such trouble |
| 15:28:39 | Hero | It wasn't known to me |
| 15:28:40 | copper | this isn't a one click install thing |
| 15:28:42 | Hero | until now |
| 15:28:48 | Hero | I can see that |
| 15:28:51 | copper | running Rockbox on an iPod Classic is almost akin to "hacking" |
| 15:29:01 | Hero | yep |
| 15:29:12 | copper | because Apple made it very difficult for Rockbox and the likes to run on the iPod Classic |
| 15:29:15 | Hero | to be truthful, I have a bit of experience with doing such things |
| 15:29:31 | Hero | My rigor is just a bit off today |
| 15:29:41 | copper | anyway, did you manage to copy some audio files and safely eject? |
| 15:29:50 | Hero | I was just about to ask about that |
| 15:29:53 | Hero | You see |
| 15:30:06 | Hero | normally when I add music files, I have to do it through itunes |
| 15:30:12 | copper | not with Rockbox |
| 15:30:22 | copper | with Rockbox, you just use the Windows Explorer |
| 15:30:25 | Hero | so I just want to verify with you the proper rigor to apply when adding files through rockbox |
| 15:30:33 | Hero | Okay |
| 15:30:37 | Hero | just verifying |
| 15:30:42 | copper | Rockbox won't work with iTunes |
| 15:30:52 | Hero | I found that out already |
| 15:31:03 | copper | may I ask where you heard about Rockbox? |
| 15:31:06 | Hero | I just wanted to verify the "rockbox" procedure for adding files |
| 15:31:19 | Hero | from a friend |
| 15:31:50 | Hero | I don't think he has a ipod classic though |
| 15:31:55 | Hero | He has an ipod nano |
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| 15:32:08 | Hero | so he didn't have to use much rigor for his installation |
| 15:32:24 | copper | we've been at this for almost 4 hours |
| 15:32:35 | Hero | which is sad |
| 15:32:39 | copper | imagine if we had to spend four hours with every user |
| 15:32:43 | copper | just not possible |
| 15:32:58 | Hero | and I actually consider myself tech savvy |
| 15:33:02 | Hero | which is even sadder |
| 15:33:45 | Hero | yes the file was properly added |
| 15:34:01 | copper | then keep that Rockbox version and don't update it |
| 15:34:22 | Hero | can I at least play around with the latest version to see if I can get it to work? |
| 15:34:33 | copper | do as you like |
| 15:34:39 | copper | I've explained everything to you |
| 15:34:45 | copper | so now it's up to you |
| 15:35:16 | Hero | I just get the feeling that if you were performing the rigor on my device, somehow you would figure out a way to get it to work |
| 15:35:21 | Hero | I want to do the same |
| 15:35:29 | Hero | just keep messing with it until it works |
| 15:37:36 | Hero | Well, anyway, I appreciate all your help |
| 15:37:52 | Hero | You helped me until the end |
| 15:41:04 | copper | Hero: an alternative is to install the latest Rockbox build, but always reboot into the "Rockbox fallback image" before plugging the iPod into your PC via USB, for file transfers |
| 15:41:54 | copper | that's more cumbersome, but it would allow you to benefit from all the latest features, while being able to transfer files via USB without Rockbox crashing |
| 15:43:15 | Hero | Hmmm |
| 15:43:22 | Hero | I'll have to try that |
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| 15:48:14 | copper | and, erm, don't forget to reboot into the new Rockbox build after unplugging the iPod |
| 15:49:43 | Hero | I see |
| 15:50:31 | Hero | I just won't be able to use the rockbox utility for anything |
| 15:50:43 | Hero | I still can't get that to work properly |
| 15:50:57 | Hero | nor can I get the chkdsk to work either |
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| 19:42:32 | lorenzo92 | kugel (logs): g#395 updated and g#701 fixes the rest |
| 19:42:34 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #395 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/395 : Samsung YP-R1 target port by Lorenzo Miori (changes/95/395/16) |
| 19:42:35 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #701 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/701 : by Lorenzo Miori (changes/01/701/2) |
| 19:44:03 | lorenzo92 | bot bug! in the title there is a / character and it seems like the whole title gets stripped |
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