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#rockbox log for 2013-12-30

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01:18:15gevaertsZagor: could you remove AntoneOconnell AaronShake PenelopeMoore EdwardFinney AlexMorgan from the wiki? Their user pages have (or had, I managed to clip one or two of them) spam
01:21:52gevaertsAlso AleroterFasert
01:23:10gevaertsOh, and GansenNolan
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01:31:02gevaertsIn fact, can't we just delete all users who didn't get write permission for at least a month or something? I'm sure I probably missed a lot
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01:40:06simonpataponHi, i have trouble with an archos jukebox recorder and rockbox
01:40:59simonpataponwhen on direct power (without battery) i can see battery charging, then i power on and the scroll bar wont finish and load rockbox
01:41:49simonpataponi just changed the HD, formatted less than 128gb and installed RB
01:41:59simonpataponwhen i put the drive back in it wont load
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09:04:52lorenzo92kugel: thanks for the review! Nothing serious indeed :D anyway, for HAVE_RECORDING we still don't have it. I would like to test my alsa patch on R1 and see whether here we have the same driver bug (i guess not since OF makes use of it...)
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12:07:16*man_in_shack waves
12:08:33man_in_shackso i just got a sanza clip+ and was going to start fiddling with a theme for it
12:08:50man_in_shackare the simulators opensource or win32 only?
12:12:50copperopen source
12:12:56copperyou can build them yourself
12:13:40copperselect "sim" instead of "normal" when running tools/configure
12:16:45coppermake fullinstall
12:16:52man_in_shacksource downloading slowwwwwwwly
12:23:22man_in_shackfun little configure system that
12:36:35*[Saint] points out that make fullinstall isn't necessary at all in the slightest
12:36:55[Saint]In some cases, it may not even be wanted.
12:37:34man_in_shackwhat does fullinstall do exactly?
12:40:07[Saint]From memory it does make zip automatically, extracts that to the simdisk, and then drops it in a user-accessible path - but I'm a bit fuzzy on it.
12:40:48[Saint]Personally, I just leave it all in the build directory, extract the binary zip into the simdisk manually, and then run the sim binary in-place and wipe it all out when I'm done.
12:43:16man_in_shackis there a tool to fix executable permissions or should i just guess what it's doing?
12:44:36[Saint]after configure, then make && make zip, among other things, in your build directory will be a simdisk directory -, and the Rockbox SDL binary. Extracting the to the simdisk is sufficient to get the sim functional, but you'll need some form of media in the simdisk root as well in order to test WPS.
12:45:05[Saint]And, yes, I guess - but its not particular to Rockbox. Just chmod +x binary_name
12:45:36man_in_shackproblem is the .7z source archive has no +xs for ALL the tools
12:46:07[Saint]Oh - how quaint.
12:46:22[Saint]Its probably also hideously out of date.
12:46:39[Saint]I don't think anyone keeps those archives up-to-date.
12:46:39man_in_shackit SAYS it's 3.13 ...
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12:47:00[Saint]I rather recommend pulling from git head.
12:47:11[Saint]There's no point in building a release SIM
12:47:18[Saint]You can just download one...
12:47:32man_in_shacki COULD, but the binaries are win32 only
12:47:47[Saint]Ah. Right.
12:50:16[Saint]building now.
12:50:48[Saint]Oh, eeek, 64bit?
12:51:12[Saint]Your host.
12:51:28copper[Saint]: I think "fullinstall" just makes a zip file WITH all fonts and unpacks it into "simdisk"
12:51:45[Saint]that's fullzip
12:51:45coppersaves a command or two
12:52:43[Saint](from recollection - fullinstall is similar to fullzip, but it does the final packaging steps and moves it off somewhere else I believe)
12:53:05copperI'm not sure what's undesirable about it
12:54:14[Saint]shit - I can't build from head.
12:54:18[Saint]she's brokeded.
12:54:27copperI just did
12:54:29copperFuze+ sim
12:54:45[Saint]/home/saint/Development/Rockbox/rockbox/apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_engine.c: In function ‘gui_sync_skin_init’:
12:54:45[Saint]/home/saint/Development/Rockbox/rockbox/apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_engine.c:136:33: error: ‘struct wps_data’ has no member named ‘backdrop_id’
12:54:45[Saint] if (skins[j][i].data.backdrop_id != -1)
12:54:45DBUGEnqueued KICK [Saint]
12:54:45[Saint] ^
12:54:45[Saint]/home/saint/Development/Rockbox/rockbox/apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_engine.c:137:54: error: ‘struct wps_data’ has no member named ‘backdrop_id’
12:54:46***Alert Mode level 1
12:54:46[Saint] skin_backdrop_unload(skins[j][i].data.backdrop_id);
12:54:48[Saint] ^
12:54:50[Saint]make: *** [/home/saint/
12:55:03man_in_shacklooks fun
12:55:06[Saint]the same error is popping up for various targets across the build table
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12:55:45*[Saint] waves a fist at JdGordon
12:56:16man_in_shacki tried playing doom on the clip+ for a little and holy crap that was insane
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12:57:16[Saint]Looks like its the monochome targets that copped it.
12:57:35JdGordDid I break someyjing?
12:57:43[Saint]JdGord: apparently, yes.
12:57:53man_in_shackit's not just the monochrome that's the problem, it's also the resolution
12:57:58[Saint]At a quick look it looks like all the non-color targets?
12:58:16[Saint]man_in_shack: sorry, talking to JdGord
12:58:26copperah indeed
12:58:45JdGordI'll checkin later
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12:59:05[Saint]JdGordon: (logs)
13:00:04man_in_shackwell fine then
13:00:08man_in_shackIGNORE ME
13:00:12man_in_shackbeen ages since i've used git
13:00:59man_in_shackworth me rebasing it to 3.13 to build the sim, as that's what i've got running on the clip+?
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13:06:42man_in_shackand on that topic, how do i track down which git commit is the last release? :)
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13:08:26man_in_shackfound it
13:11:46man_in_shackyay it built
13:14:22man_in_shackyay it runs
13:14:35copperdoes it make coffee, too?
13:14:55man_in_shackit will when i'm done writing my plugins :P
13:31:58JdGordonok back
13:32:01JdGordonwhat i do?
13:33:44JdGordongrr... irc bot doesnt say build status :/
13:33:48JdGordonthats a bit annoying
13:35:34fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision 124c969, 243 builds, 32 clients.
13:38:30fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Build round completed after 175 seconds.
13:39:59JdGordonbluebrother^: why doesnt fs-bluebot show build failures anymore(?)
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13:41:37man_in_shacki'm just gonna go hide now
13:41:50man_in_shacknurse my hold
13:42:13man_in_shackthanks guys
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13:50:52[Saint]Oh...heh. dammit.
13:51:03[Saint]I really should've seen the fix for that myself.
13:51:34[Saint]It makes so much sense after someone _else_ does it...
13:52:17[Saint]But, before that, seeing errors for backdrop on targets that shouldn;t have'd think that would've pointed me on the right track, but, nope.
13:53:14*[Saint] wonders if this really will fix the USB theme craziness issues
13:53:26[Saint]Better summon lebellium I guess. :P
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15:31:30lebellium[Saint]: I don't know what the latest commit is supposed to do but for me when pluggins the USB cable it keeps my theme backdrop but replace the status bar with the default status bar. USB works so far
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16:27:55toehserSomething wrong with the website this morning?
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16:53:23ls__I have the Sansa Clip+, I want to remove the origonal firmware so should I repartion the entire disk? If so what is the best filesystem that I should put on the eMMC??
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17:09:06ls__Any ideas? I do not want to get a brick
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17:13:36toehserWhy do you want to bother with removing the original firmware? Just to get a few K more disk space?
17:17:04ls__I am fine with the origonal firmware, however the partition table is really bad so I want to clean it up
17:21:06toehserThe _partition table_ is bad? I think these actually come from Sansa with the filesystem directly on the device _without_ a partition table... Am I remembering wrongly?
17:23:20toehserI think I would just back up the filesystem, recreate it, then reload it from the backup... without messing with the boot sector... what led you to think there were problems with of a partition tabular nature?
17:26:54ls__The thing is, the disk is seperated into four partions. One partition is Novell Netware 386, and the rest are unkown.
17:27:28ls__Partitions 1 - 3 exactly 1GB, and the fourth is 1 Kilobyte
17:28:54toehserHow did it get that way? What tool is reporting that? Are you sure? You're seeing 3 visible 1G filesystems, or what? It sounds like the original firmware is probably _already_ toasted, if you're reporting accurately...
17:31:42toehserAs far as what filesystem to use - always FAT32. Me, I leave the internal alone (which doesn't have a partition table on mine, just the filesystem directly on the disk...) and on the external cards I do create a partition table with 1 primary partition that spans the device with a FAT32 filesystem.
17:37:09ls__I was thinking of partition the entire internal as FAT32, putting the bootloader and the .rockbox directory there fresh.
17:41:26toehserStill curious how it got the way you're describing and what tools you're using.
17:43:00toehserBut if you're right, don't worry about doing it wrong, you're already toast as far as the disk.
17:43:52toehserI think if you have it off and hold the center button while connecting it, it has a hard-wired USB mode, even without firmware or rockbox - but you must already be doing that, if you're right about the partitions, and your tools are telling you the truth...
17:44:39ls__I'm looking at $sudo fdisk /dev/sdb then listing the partitions
17:48:29ls__With gparted, I'm seeing one FAT32 at 3.66 GB
17:54:50toehserWhen I do "fdisk -l /dev/sdb", I get: root@26m:~# fdisk -l /dev/sdb
17:54:50toehserDisk /dev/sdb: 3933 MB, 3933732864 bytes
17:54:50toehser122 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1015 cylinders, total 7683072 sectors
17:54:50DBUGEnqueued KICK toehser
17:54:50toehserUnits = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
17:54:50toehserSector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
17:54:50***Alert Mode level 1
17:54:50toehserI/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
17:54:50***Alert Mode level 2
17:54:50toehserDisk identifier: 0x00000000
17:54:52toehser Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
17:55:19toehser... no partition table there
17:56:30ls__Hey vfat is the same as FAT32 right?
17:57:53toehserNo, vfat exists in more than one flavor, vfat refers to the extension from 8.3 to lfn. There is vfat-16, vfat-32, etc...
17:58:39coppermkfs.vfat will choose the best format automatically
18:01:18ls__Okay well I'm going to try this ::
18:01:26toehserIs there a difference between mkfs.vfat and mkdosfs? I always use that syntax.
18:01:29ls__And I will let you know the results of fdisk aftwards
18:02:50toehserThose instructions create partitions, which is different than factory - but I would expect it to work.
18:03:01ls__mkfs allows you to createa label with the -L switch
18:03:35toehserActually, root@26m:~# ls -l /sbin/mkdosfs /sbin/mkfs.vfat
18:03:36toehser-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27584 Feb 18 2013 /sbin/mkdosfs
18:03:36toehserlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Nov 12 07:57 /sbin/mkfs.vfat -> mkdosfs
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18:03:36toehserThey're the same program...
18:04:33toehserAt least on Ubuntu
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18:09:15ls__Oh neat, actually it is -n not -L for the label. Haha I never remember all this linux stuff...
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18:35:42ls__Great, now there is one primary FAT32 partition spaning the entire internal flash. Everything works to!
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23:43:11lorenzo92a quick poll: how many devices have we that have HW support for the bluetooth? yp-r1 does and it would be cool to start introducing a bluetooth stack, we might even use this
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23:52:32kugellorenzo92: i think none of our targets do Bluetooth
23:53:20lorenzo92kugel: hum okay, then the r1 is the first one ... actually it would be cool to have the bluetooth functioning some day ;)
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23:53:33lorenzo92but first the actual port :D
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23:53:52kugelbut the project you linked to looks interesting. sounds like a good fit for us going by the description
23:54:43lorenzo92indeed. small footprint and well supporting static memory allocation, as well as no thread dependency (actually we do threading, and the "main loop" of the stack fits one of them)
23:55:07kugeli can't tell if we have Bluetooth experts around
23:55:11lorenzo92R1's bluetooth module works via UART too, like the shown example
23:58:18lorenzo92we could basically have the generic btstack, then a small HAL driver for a particular target (i guess this means writing some wrappers to send and receive raw data)
23:58:58lorenzo92and then an event-based mechanism (like we are doing for other system events) for i.e. showing an incoming file to the user

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