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#rockbox log for 2014-01-07

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00:08:01JdGordonPurlingNayuki: you want to use that menu callback to reset the volume to the new max
00:08:08JdGordonso it doesnt need to be done in option_select.c
00:09:06PurlingNayukiYeah I was doing that
00:09:20JdGordonand it didnt work?
00:10:01PurlingNayukiYes it did work
00:10:10JdGordonok cool
00:10:28PurlingNayukiand I just removed the splash
00:10:52PurlingNayukiI didn't feel it useful
00:14:41PurlingNayukihave to go to School now
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00:49:07man_in_shackmy sansa clip+ just crashed in usb mode
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00:51:14man_in_shackah, not as bad as i thought
00:51:19man_in_shackthought it wasn't powering off
00:53:17man_in_shackall good now. i think it doesn't like this particular usb hub
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03:16:10PurlingNayukiI have some random crashes too, on fuzev2 and zip
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08:45:41goewdhbWhen using the File Browser in Rockbox, is it possible to customize the view so that it shows the title in the file's tag instead of the filename?
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08:59:33coppergoewdhb: use the database for that
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09:00:46goewdhbThanks copper, but my understanding is that then the resume feature does not work. I'm trying to listen to podcasts and resume
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09:04:21copperuh? It does work.
09:05:03goewdhbcopper: as per the manual it seems to work only when you launch the file from the file browser?
09:06:03copperwhat manual
09:06:09copperI just tried it, it works
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09:07:28goewdhbso is it just the bookmarking that does not work?
09:07:49copperI don't know, I've never used bookmarking
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09:08:40copperbut I can't think of a reason why that wouldn't work
09:10:49copperthe manual does say indeed that bookmarking only works with the file browser
09:10:58copperbut resume definitely works with the database
09:12:20goewdhbThank you.
09:14:07copperbookmarks work with the database too on my Fuze+
09:15:05copperhmmm no
09:18:22goewdhbok, I'm working with an ipod video. Hate using itunes hence moved to rockbox
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09:18:51copperif you stop playback and / or turn off the ipod, you should be able to resume just by pressing play
09:19:48copperjust set "automatic resume" in the general settings to "yes"
09:23:37goewdhbThanks, I've done that now.
09:23:51goewdhbI'll play around with it and pop back in should something come up.
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13:09:23chrisjjgoewdhb: "When using the File Browser in Rockbox, is it possible to customize the view so that it shows the title in the file's tag instead of the filename?" No, AFAICT. Recent discussion here:,45947.0.html
13:10:03Zagorthe file browser by definition browses files, not tags
13:10:15Zagorif you want to browse tags, use the tag database
13:13:06wodzZagor: Would it be possible for you to see why build clients always return 'All green' even if there are errors?
13:14:30Zagorwodz: they do?
13:15:41wodzyep, thats why bluebrother turned this feature off in bot
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13:25:10Zagorwodz: do you have an example?
13:25:31wodzwhat you mean?
13:25:51Zagorwhen it happened
13:28:15Zagoranyway, it's done here:;a=blob;f=buildserver/;h=13e03e56735e07e6b16a061353b9790f78c29b6e;hb=HEAD#l920
13:28:23ZagorI can't look into it right now
13:33:53wodzI did the change and you review it :-) The problem is server side and I can't see why it doesn't work
13:40:10Zagoroh, right :)
13:45:07chrisjjZagor: "the file browser by definition browses files, not tags" Some other file browsers allow customisation to show tags, so I think it not unreasonable for a user to ask if the RB file browser can.
13:45:48Zagorchrisjj: sure. I'm just explaining. those other systems typically don't have two browsers.
13:48:58gevaertschrisjj: patches welcome
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13:51:51chrisjjReally?? The last patch I saw for this feature did not get accepted, and is now deleted from SourceForge.
13:52:12wodzerr, patch for rockbox on sf?
13:52:27gevaertsWas it implemented in a decent way that didn't impact people who don't want it too much?
13:53:28gevaertsAlso, if you're of the opinion that it's not acceptable at all, why are you wasting our time by discussing it?
13:54:05chrisjj"Was it implemented in a decent way that didn't impact people who don't want it too much?" Since it has been deleted, I can't tell you.
13:55:19PurlingNayukiHi everyone I just got a clip zip
13:56:01PurlingNayukiI'd like to rockbox it so i download the mkamsboot but found it a little strange
13:56:45chrisjjwodz: Yes. The wiki page says "sourceforge listing for this patch: "
13:58:02PurlingNayukiDoes it recognize 1.01.18 firmware only? It can't patch the latest 1.01.21 firmware.
13:58:06chrisjjAnd that sf URL redirects to "Rockbox - Open Source Jukebox Firmware" which has no files.
13:58:17pixelmachrisjj: also, playlist viewer isn't file browser
13:59:42gevaertsPurlingNayuki: the released mkamsboot binary is a bit old. Either build it yourself (just run make in rbutil/mkamsboot/), or use rockbox utility
14:01:12PurlingNayukigevaerts: Thanks that helps. Would building from source requires any other hacking or package? Had tried before I asked but failed.
14:01:23gevaertsIt shouldn't
14:03:16pixelmaand as far as I remember showing the tags in the playlist viewer (at least with implementations I remember being discussed here) made loading playlists sloooow for everyone which is unwanted to say the least
14:03:24PurlingNayukiOK switched to master branch and it makes even with warning.
14:03:41PurlingNayukiSorry that not an warning.
14:04:01PurlingNayukiSeems that there're problems with my own modified source.
14:06:01PurlingNayukigevaerts: BTW how to make executives for windows?
14:07:01wodzmingw I guess
14:07:11gevaertsPurlingNayuki: install mingw tools, and start figuring it out :)
14:07:24*gevaerts always needs a while before he finds out again how to do it
14:07:48gevaertsIf you build those on windows with mingw, it should just be "run make"
14:08:03gevaertsOn linux, you may need to play with the makefiles a bit
14:09:31PurlingNayukiOK I guess I will never use it on Windows.
14:09:37chrisjjpixelma: That's a surprise. Every OF I recall shows tags in playlist views without undue slowness. Perhaps those RB patches failed to cache??
14:09:41PurlingNayukiJust in case when others need it.
14:11:11kugelshould be sufficient to run "CROSS_COMPILE=<ming-gcc-prefix-> ../tools/configure"
14:11:26kugeland/or select Win32 cross compile in configure
14:11:32gevaertsI think that any code that shows tags for files should use the database, not its own hacked-on stuff
14:11:44gevaertsThat's the only way to make it fairly efficient
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14:14:24*kugel pushed the big red button
14:15:50chrisjjpixelma: I see UseDisplayTags did cache, and increased load time by about 100%.
14:16:01wodznice bunch of stuff
14:16:05PurlingNayukikugel: Why configure?
14:16:40chrisjjgevaerts: patches welcome
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14:18:12wodzchrisjj: You are rude, I hope you realize this
14:21:28kugelwth is greylib doing
14:21:43chrisjjpixelma: For tags in playlists, the latest patch I see is 2007 and indeed it was reported as too slow. And now out of sync. If you've seen a currently usable patch, please do say.
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14:23:29pixelmaI haven't since my files are properly named (even before properly tagged) and I have no use for such a feature, I just don't want to suffer from it
14:27:53chrisjjI don't think anyone was suggesting you'd have to use it if you didn't want to.
14:28:57chrisjjMy files are properly named. Just those names don't include the title - one reason being that the titles include characters disallowed in filenames.
14:34:15kugelI need to run, I will take care of the reds on the evening, okay?
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14:51:53chrisjjpixelma: Could you tell me what specifically you mean by the "playlist viewer"? There is such a thing mentioned in the manual, but it is now longer present under that name in the program AFAICS. Specifically, "4.3.3. The WPS Context Menu" "To change settings for the Playlist Viewer press Long Select or Long Right while viewing the current playlist to bring up the Playlist Viewer Menu." does not work.
14:56:05usr_shareHello. I've made a pair of compact fonts for rockbox (kinda between rockfont and tiny), which look like this: . Could they be of any use to the community?
14:56:38usr_share(as seen, they support basic ascii and cyrillic as to the extent of koi8 and cp1251)
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15:08:19PurlingNayukichrisjj: It should be the one which you can enter by open WPS context menu->playlists->view current playlist
15:11:56chrisjjOK, thanks, but then why does "To change settings for the Playlist Viewer..." fail there?
15:13:22chrisjjE.g. in Fuze+, pressing Long Select does not bring up the Playlist View Menu shown in the manual.
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15:14:34chrisjjThat menu:
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15:34:17motofixHi There. I have a Sansa clip zip with latest stable release of Rockbox installed. When I connect it to my Philips FWM210 micro HiFi system, the content cannot be read ("No USB" displayed on the micro HiFi System). I tryed to change the USB mode in OF, but same result. I also tried the "hide usb drive"option in rockbox... Any clue?
15:34:46motofixPlease note that with OF, the content can be read by the Philips FWM210
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15:43:21usr_sharechrisjj: I think that menu is in settings -> general settings -> playlists
15:43:30usr_share-> playlist viewer settings
15:44:45chrisjjYes I too find it there. But surely it should be on the playlist viewer.
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15:46:51JordiGHIs it really necessary to have daily updates to the manual? :-)
15:47:55gevaertsJordiGH: we have to make sure that the outdatedness you see is current :)
15:48:35JordiGHIt's a pity that such an awesome piece of software is no longer finding hardware to run on.
15:48:44JordiGHIck, "smart" "phones".
15:49:48bluebrotherZagor: that's what the bot / build client gets: At least the last build should not be "all green".
15:50:25bluebrotherZagor: also, can you move Rockbox Utility 1.4.0 to the download server? Files are at
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15:52:54Zagorbluebrother: done
15:55:26bluebrotherZagor: thanks!
15:57:21usr_shareJordiGH: afaik, there is a version of rockbox for android.
15:57:50chrisjjJordiGH: Agreed. Giving people a manual that is out of sync with the software leads to misinformation and confusion.
15:58:20JordiGHchrisjj: My point is that I don't think most of these manuals are changing daily.
15:58:37JordiGHusr_share: I don't want rockbox for android, heh, I don't want Android to begin with.
15:58:58JordiGHI also would like a flip phone, should I have a use for a mobile phone at all.
16:00:01chrisjjI think you're right. Why the manuals offers the daily builds rather than the current builds, I do not know.
16:02:01pixelmabecause the manuals don't change as often (yes, lazy developers). You are more than welcome to bring it up to date
16:04:09pixelmato help bringing it up to date
16:14:21chrisjjI don't see how that fact the manuals don't change as often is a reason to offer the daily build in preference to the current.
16:15:46gevaertsIt isn't
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16:22:00chrisjjThanks for the confirmation.
16:22:23PurlingNayukiI think most coder just like me that we don't know how to write a readable document:-(
16:23:57PurlingNayukiIt's our thoughts that why manual? Have a try and you will know how to use it (though not become a expert on it)
16:30:44peturJordiGH: there's rockbox for n900 ;)
16:39:49JordiGHI disconnected my player from the usb without unmounting.
16:39:59JordiGHNow I'm getting "Error accessing playlist control file (-4)"
16:40:03JordiGHWhat's -4, ioerror?
16:41:55bluebrotherno idea, but that error by itself isn't too problematic. It's just your last playback state gotten lost.
16:42:10bluebrotherhowever, you could have other problems with the filesystem ...
16:42:21JordiGHWell, unplugging the USB seems to have made that error go away.
16:42:44bluebrotherif you forgot to unmount the player before I'd run fsck.vfat on it
16:42:56bluebrotherto make sure that didn't mess up the filesystem
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16:48:11chrisjjJordiGH: I always get that under the same circumstances. It has not impacted operation (so far).
16:48:31JordiGHYeah, I'll fsck it.
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17:03:44JordiGHClean fsck. I guess it's all good.
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17:18:28chrisjjIs gerrit search now bust? At , enter Samsung, click Search. I get "Code Review - Error Unsupported query:samsung".
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17:20:55gevaertsYou mean the search field that's clearly marked as wanting a change id, a commit sha, or an owner email, and not a random word?
17:22:26gevaertsIf so, clicking on "documentation" near the top, and then on "searching" will lead you to a document telling you you want message:samsumg
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17:38:26scorche|shchrisjj: for future reference, you dont get to tell gevaerts or any other developer "patches welcome"
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18:13:35pamauryhum kugel didn't fix the errors
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19:13:54GodEater <−− just noticed this
19:16:02GodEatercan't be arsed myself, but it might be interesting for someone
19:17:34foolshQuestion is how fast is sha256 on a typical target these days? Will I have to want to wait for days and days for results?
19:18:25GodEateryeah, it's probably not going to be awesomely quick unless you've got a gigabeat or something
19:19:59bertrikdepends on the amount of data to be hashed I think
19:20:22GodEatergo on bertrik
19:20:29GodEateroffer to do it for him ;)
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19:33:49n1saccording to wikipedia sha-256 takes ~23 cycles/B on an AMD chip, guesstimating it might take 50 on some armv4 (without knowing *anything* about the alogs' characteristics) would let you hash just short of 2k in 1s on such a core with a 100MHz clock
19:34:33n1sso for generating keys and such it seems superficially at least to be feasible
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19:35:59[Saint]Isn't this rather terrible for security concerns if someone managed to get physical access to the device?
19:36:10[Saint]How robust is SHA-256?
19:36:11scorche|shof course
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19:36:14copperyou mean, like a wallet?
19:36:28copper"hey punk, gimme your wallet"
19:36:34copper"oh, and your iPod too, bitch"
19:36:57*scorche|sh looks sadly at the logs
19:37:15[Saint]Right, but I don't usually carry thousands of dollars in my wallet wallet. :)
19:37:30copperthat's just because you don't do drugs :3
19:37:43scorche|shlets keep this on-topic, ok?
19:37:48n1s[Saint]: well, if your passphrase is strong enough and there are no weaknesses in the hash it might be ok. Generating from a file will of course be a problem as we can't securely delete that if there's an FTL
19:38:11*[Saint] nods
19:38:12n1sand maybe not even on a disk
19:39:47[Saint]This would only really be practical on hosted RaaA or /maybe/ the beast or Fuze+..., but with hosted RaaA there is almost certainly a much better native solution that already exists.
19:41:15[Saint]Targets with lots of RAM and decent SoCs, and actual security.
19:41:21n1sfor any amount of data over a few k it will be dog-slow on pretty much any native target we support, only the degree varying slightly :)
19:41:52GodEateranyone want to follow up my post and explain that?
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19:43:55Rain_MakerHi there. Just found a broken link for downloading the latest RockboxUtility source code.
19:44:15GodEaterRain_Maker: something wrong with git?
19:44:20Rain_MakerNo, releases
19:44:29Rain_Makerthe link above is broken
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19:44:45Rain_Makerin the respective directory you find
19:44:50GodEaterah, I think Zagor hasn't uploaded it yet
19:45:03Rain_MakerNope, he uploaded the wrong file
19:45:20Rain_Makerhave a look at
19:45:36Rain_MakerRockboxUtility-v1.4.0.tar.bz2 2014-01-07 15:52 5.3M
19:45:50Rain_MakerThat looks like the binary for linux ix86
19:46:17Rain_MakerAs you can see here
19:46:28Rain_MakerSame size(5.3 M)
19:46:34GodEaterwell I guess he'll notice when he sees the logs ;)
19:46:59Rain_MakerFine, just wanted to inform you.
19:47:28Rain_MakerYouŽ re welcome, cya
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19:51:24foolshIt would be technically faster/feasible to create a bitcoin plug-in in two parts. One run on PC to do the hashing and encryption, and a plug-in on the target to do the rest, but making it secure without doing some kind of encryption on the target is not going to happen.
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19:56:59JordiGHBitcoins? In my Sansa?
19:59:46foolshGodEater 01:13:52 PM - <−− just noticed this
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20:03:41JordiGHI don't quite get this. How do you get coins out of the wallet if it's offline?
20:03:51JordiGHIt needs to tell the network that it's done a new transaction.
20:04:37copperyou import it
20:04:43copperthen you do the transaction
20:04:51copperthen you save the wallet back, and erase the PC copy
20:05:34copperit's somewhat cumbersome, but moderately safer than leaving your wallet on a networked device
20:05:48copper(which can be hacked remotely while you're sleeping)
20:05:57JordiGHfoolsh: The spec is feasible (and actually, it's a pretty well specc'ed spec), but I don't think the end result will be very feasible.
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20:06:11JordiGHFor example, typing addresses without a keyboard? Ick.
20:06:17JordiGHResolution too low for QR codes? ick.
20:06:30foolshBingo to many hurdles
20:06:57JordiGHI mean, the spec is feasible, but I can't think of anyone thinking that end result is attractive.
20:06:58copperI don't really understand why they don't just save the wallet file on the device, like a USB backup
20:07:14copperplug-in, do your thing, plug out
20:07:25JordiGHYeah, that sounds much better.
20:07:25[Saint]We have a keyboard.
20:07:25[Saint]Its just shite. :)
20:07:51[Saint]thinking about this on an OS that doesn't have sane permissions models for apps shouldn;t even be being discussed really.
20:08:46[Saint]Rb doesn;t need to think about such concerns. Nor should it.
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20:39:04alucrydhey guys, seems there was a mistake uploading the tarball for RockboxUtility 1.4.0, seems the 32bit linux binary was uploaded instead
20:39:26gevaertsYes, someone told us earlier :)
20:39:36gevaertsIt'll get fixed as soon as the right people are online
20:39:44alucrydoh thx
20:39:48lebelliumJust download the Windows version. Windows is better \o/
20:39:56gevaertslebellium: than the source?
20:40:39lebelliumyou can't even try to troll with gevaerts :(
20:41:21alucrydlebellium, we knew you were kidding, that sentence was just absurd :P
20:46:36[Saint]Naw. lebellium is a Wintard. :)
20:46:51[Saint]He can't help it.
20:47:06alucrydwe all have our flaws :P
20:47:22JordiGHmoar liek failtard amirite
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20:55:34scorche|shfolks - #rockbox is reserved for chat about rockbox - if you have other comments or social chatter, they belong elsewhere - this is for a number of reasons, but especially because logs are kept of this channel and developers review the logs for information
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21:23:57GodEaterwe have a response on the reddit thread, if anyone is interested in following up (in either a positive or negative fashion)
21:29:11GodEaterah - didn't notice saratoga had replied too
21:29:29*GodEater blames his uselessness
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21:43:30chrisjjgevaerts: "You mean the search field that's clearly marked as wanting a change id, a commit sha, or an owner email, and not a random word?" No.
21:44:34chrisjjgevaerts: "If so, clicking on "documentation" near the top, and then on "searching" will lead you to a document telling you you want message:samsumg". It leads me to a document saying "Similar to many popular search engines on the web, just enter some text and let Gerrit figure out the meaning" and that's what looks bust to me.
21:47:26chrisjjFAOD, the search box I'm referring to is the only one showing on the home page, and it not marked as you report. In Chrome:
21:51:36[Saint]If you clear the prefilled text in the search box it clearly states what it is asking for.
21:52:15[Saint]It just doesn't do it /right off the bat/.
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22:02:11chrisjjIt states /some/ examples.
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22:28:02kugelany tip how to find where
22:28:15kugelLCD_DEFAULT_FG is defined for mono targets?
22:28:23kugelgrep says nowhere
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22:33:45pixelmajudged by the name, it doesn't make sense to me to define it on mono targets (not having looked at it though, maybe the name isn't well-chosen)
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22:36:04lorenzo92kugel: ping
22:37:13kugelpixelma: right, but I thought it's define anyway. but it isn't
22:37:31lorenzo92kugel: unfortunately i don't have much time these days and i did not follow irc ^^ did you have time to look at r1 port?
22:38:41kugellorenzo92: no, I'm sorry
22:38:48kugellittle time too
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