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| 00:03:19 | JdGordon | PurlingNayuki: hi! so close to being done :) |
| 00:03:24 | JdGordon | I've got 2 comments thouhg |
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| 00:05:03 | saratoga_ | needs a manual entry for the limiter too i think |
| 00:05:58 | PurlingNayuki | JdGordon: Good news;-)one or two more Patchset to merge I think. |
| 00:06:29 | JdGordon | just updated with comments |
| 00:07:15 | lebellium | a brand new feature ready for v3.14, that's great :) |
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| 00:12:29 | PurlingNayuki | But sorry haven't really ever used manual. Will take a look on it. |
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| 00:14:15 | JdGordon | PurlingNayuki: if you're very lucky you might be able to get one of the manual guys/gals to write it up for you :) |
| 00:14:21 | saratoga_ | http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=manual/configure_rockbox/sound_settings.tex; |
| 00:14:27 | JdGordon | bluebrother^: or pixelma :) |
| 00:14:33 | saratoga_ | put a sentence or two for each option in there |
| 00:14:38 | saratoga_ | should be self explanatory |
| 00:15:57 | kugel | IIRC AlexP volunteered for writing manual entries in the past |
| 00:20:13 | PurlingNayuki | saratoga_: Thanks for "advice":-P |
| 00:22:02 | PurlingNayuki | BTW any plan to build the manual in more languages? |
| 00:22:42 | PurlingNayuki | JdGordon: What do you think about the splashf? |
| 00:22:51 | JdGordon | kugel: find_setting() in the quickscreen one isnt wrong, it is seting setting to the defaultvalue |
| 00:23:07 | JdGordon | PurlingNayuki: I was never 100% for it |
| 00:23:18 | saratoga_ | i don't think having more languages would be feasible unfortunately given the huge amount of text involved |
| 00:23:45 | kugel | JdGordon: the one in qs_set_default() |
| 00:23:46 | kugel | ? |
| 00:23:50 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 00:23:51 | kugel | that call has no effect at all |
| 00:24:12 | kugel | oh wait, I misread find_setting() |
| 00:24:26 | JdGordon | :) |
| 00:24:50 | kugel | no, wait |
| 00:25:37 | * | kugel is confuzzled |
| 00:25:51 | JdGordon | which file is find_setting() in? |
| 00:25:56 | JdGordon | I'm using the web interface |
| 00:26:05 | kugel | settings.c |
| 00:26:08 | PurlingNayuki | JdGordon: Then kill the splashf |
| 00:26:16 | JdGordon | PurlingNayuki: fine by me |
| 00:26:22 | PurlingNayuki | I don't actually like that |
| 00:26:55 | JdGordon | kugel: it iterates the settings list and puts the setting index into the quickscreens int* |
| 00:27:25 | kugel | right, what effect does that have? |
| 00:27:42 | JdGordon | the quickscreen uses the index to put the item ont he screen |
| 00:27:54 | PurlingNayuki | But I also came up with an idea that we count how many times users try to increase the volume over the limit |
| 00:27:56 | JdGordon | instead of storing a pointer and needing to do lookups then |
| 00:28:11 | JdGordon | PurlingNayuki: then keep the splash and tweak it alter :) |
| 00:28:13 | JdGordon | later* |
| 00:29:04 | PurlingNayuki | No use explaining but just see my next patch set:-P |
| 00:29:17 | kugel | JdGordon: ok. fwiw, shouldn't there be an else? it'll still call find_setting with defaultval == NULL |
| 00:29:27 | kugel | PurlingNayuki: so you like the splash or not? |
| 00:29:33 | kugel | I would like to see it removed |
| 00:30:41 | kugel | it's useless because a) the user did explicitly enable the volume limiter so he shouldnt be surprised and b) there are plenty other possible indicators for volume changes (or non-changes) |
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| 00:31:28 | kugel | blocking splashes are generally annoying and should be avoided |
| 00:31:53 | saratoga_ | i kind of like it, but maybe just show it the first time they try to go over max? |
| 00:32:49 | saratoga_ | i could see how it would get annoying after a while otherwise |
| 00:33:07 | kugel | splashes should indicate something exceptional, but that the volume is limited is to be expected if the volume limiter is enabled |
| 00:33:39 | PurlingNayuki | kugel: IMO users do forget it sometimes so I need a "smarter" indicator. |
| 00:34:02 | kugel | how do you know? |
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| 00:34:47 | PurlingNayuki | Discussing groups and forum |
| 00:34:55 | JdGordon | kugel: I guess so, if you want to add an else go for it |
| 00:35:06 | JdGordon | users ARE idiots :) |
| 00:36:22 | kugel | no, not all |
| 00:36:56 | PurlingNayuki | Just annoyed with users calling out for help while I have done almost everything for them. |
| 00:38:38 | JdGordon | the reason to not have the splash is so users can be in the WPS and spin the volume wheel to full volume and not have the splash get in the way of the wps |
| 00:39:10 | kugel | on some targets you can change the volume in lists also |
| 00:39:31 | PurlingNayuki | We have prebuilts, fonts and even pre packed themes but they just simply "Why my Rockbox can't display correctly". Terrible. |
| 00:39:39 | kugel | anyway, I don't see why to put an annoying splash in a situation that is to be expected |
| 00:40:59 | PurlingNayuki | We count how many times users try to increase volume over the limit. If larger than 20 times we splashf. Is it OK? |
| 00:41:55 | PurlingNayuki | And 10 times for non-scrollwheel targets. |
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| 00:42:57 | kugel | this is getting complex. 20 times per second or per minute? |
| 00:43:02 | JdGordon | if you're going to do that you should limit the spalsh to only showing once every 30s or so |
| 00:43:31 | * | kugel maintains his opinion that it shouldn't be shown at all |
| 00:43:35 | PurlingNayuki | per 3 secs should be fine. |
| 00:44:26 | PurlingNayuki | That's really complicated and a bit redundant. |
| 00:45:11 | JdGordon | PurlingNayuki: how about adding a splash later on if it proves to be a problem? |
| 00:45:15 | kugel | how about this one: remove the splash for now and add it if we really get reports of confused users? |
| 00:45:30 | kugel | ahh, JdGordon was faster :) |
| 00:45:31 | * | PurlingNayuki is fine with removing it but [Saint] seems to be filled with love in a splashf. |
| 00:45:58 | PurlingNayuki | kugel: Agree with you;-) |
| 00:46:16 | PurlingNayuki | JdGordon: And also with you;-) |
| 00:47:27 | kugel | PurlingNayuki, JdGordon: the complex custom menu part of that patch is because the volume isn't a compile time constant? |
| 00:47:47 | kugel | or did I miss something else? |
| 00:48:35 | PurlingNayuki | Just because the maximum and minimum volume varies from targets to targets |
| 00:49:16 | PurlingNayuki | But we want the limiter to be done in apps/ |
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| 01:04:52 | saratoga_ | we trigger a build on a manual change? does it actually build the manual? |
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| 02:11:33 | [Saint] | I only wanted a splash IFF the volume displayed to the user was going to be directly misleading. |
| 02:12:28 | [Saint] | But I believed JdGordon mitigated this by always ensuring the volume displayed to the user for selection is within the bounds of the volume limit? |
| 02:13:07 | [Saint] | The problem I had was that it allowed the user to set a value for the volume that would be ignored with zero confirmation. |
| 02:13:21 | [Saint] | If that no longer exists, no splash needed. |
| 02:14:02 | [Saint] | If it is still possible for the user to set a value that will be immediately overridden, I would rather we inform. |
| 02:16:25 | chrisjj | pamaury: re ZEN BSoD, thanks for the good news. Note this issue is slightly different on ZEN v. ZEN X-Fi. Only the latter BSoDs between CREATIVE logo and bootloader text, IME. |
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| 02:18:40 | [Saint] | I think the problem isn't the splash but the fact it needs to exist at all. |
| 02:18:44 | chrisjj | "I have identified the ZEN black-screen-of-death culprit" I'm guessing not power management :) |
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| 02:19:13 | [Saint] | If the user can't ever select a value that is beyond the volume limiter, no need to splash at all. |
| 02:19:31 | [Saint] | PurlingNayuki: JdGordon: ^ |
| 02:20:35 | [Saint] | I was under the impression JdGordon made it so the max volume the user can set is the capped limit, not the real limit. |
| 02:20:42 | JdGordon | correct |
| 02:20:56 | [Saint] | As long as that's the case, no need to splash. |
| 02:21:25 | [Saint] | I only wanted to splash when it was possible to set a bullshit value that would be silently ignored. |
| 02:25:33 | [Saint] | To recap: As long as the user is never able to select an "out of bounds" volume (higher than the capped limit), and a volume higher than the capped rate is never shown to the user except for the express purpose of setting the volume limiter, there's no need to splash. That would be intended functionality. |
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| 02:34:30 | [Saint] | Let's brainstorm a bit, please. |
| 02:35:04 | [Saint] | A perfect touchscreen theme for Rockbox would include...?: |
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| 02:36:41 | [Saint] | (no wrong answers here - what are some UIs you like, why? - what features dies a "good" touch UI include? what information is a priority to you?) |
| 02:39:52 | lebellium | a perfect touchscreen theme needs the theme engine to work properly for SBS and FMS ;) |
| 02:41:59 | [Saint] | And barring limitations I can't overcome...? |
| 02:42:57 | [Saint] | It is non-trivial to add full playback support to all screens via the .sbs |
| 02:43:31 | [Saint] | it is much more complicated than "it just doesn't work". So lets concentrate on things I can change. |
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| 02:46:34 | lebellium | here is how mine looks like http://imageshack.us/a/img62/8586/8t.png |
| 02:46:43 | lebellium | so it shows what information I need |
| 02:47:43 | JdGordon | touch in th SBS is hard :p |
| 02:47:48 | JdGordon | though, whats not working about it? |
| 02:48:19 | [Saint] | seek/skip |
| 02:48:54 | [Saint] | the wps_* tags are nuts. |
| 02:49:10 | lebellium | JdGordon: then start with FMS :p |
| 02:49:23 | [Saint] | they control the UI instead of skipping/seeking |
| 02:49:47 | [Saint] | that's the major issue. |
| 02:50:26 | lebellium | and the sbs refresh rate is much slower |
| 02:50:58 | [Saint] | I don't think JdGordon ever pushed dynamic refresh. |
| 02:51:04 | [Saint] | ...I wonder why. |
| 02:51:45 | [Saint] | At one point he had it so screens only refreshed as often as the skin engine requested it. |
| 02:52:02 | JdGordon | wasnt there problems with it? |
| 02:52:20 | [Saint] | I can't remember. |
| 02:52:28 | JdGordon | G#191 |
| 02:52:30 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #191 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/191 : skin_engine: Use a smart consistant skin refresh rate for all screens by Jonathan Gordon (changes/91/191/2) |
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| 02:54:35 | JdGordon | [Saint]: can you put up a gdoc braindump of skin problems? |
| 02:54:55 | JdGordon | you're almost guarenteed to not be online when im motivated enough to fix anything :( |
| 02:55:03 | [Saint] | As for as touch goes. the big outstanding issue which you've said multiple times is incredibly difficult to overcome, is the wps_next/prev tags scrolling through the lists instead of skipping/seeking. |
| 02:55:15 | [Saint] | Yeah, I can do that. |
| 02:55:31 | [Saint] | Kugel took care of a few biggies earlier. |
| 02:55:57 | [Saint] | I need to check to make sure I can discard some ugly workaround code later tonight. |
| 02:56:12 | JdGordon | touch buttons should be fixable |
| 02:56:18 | JdGordon | i just need time and a list |
| 02:56:29 | JdGordon | and an example sbs is always apreciated :) |
| 02:56:32 | JdGordon | LUNCH! |
| 02:56:50 | [Saint] | Right. I'll see what I can do this evening. |
| 02:58:14 | JdGordon | put up a list now so you dont forget :) |
| 02:58:38 | * | JdGordon used to have a mind map tingy on his phone for the different patches/bugs he was working on |
| 02:58:45 | lebellium | [Saint] JdGordon I have an example here https://www.dropbox.com/s/ohhab2fcw31eg9e/lebellium_Samsung-like_Touch_240x400_v0.85.zip There is SBS + WPS + FMS so it's a good basis to fix bugs |
| 02:58:56 | [Saint] | lebellium: that SS looks very feature barron. |
| 02:59:14 | lebellium | SS? |
| 02:59:15 | [Saint] | It looks like it would force the user back into the lists for too often. |
| 02:59:20 | [Saint] | screenshot |
| 02:59:29 | [Saint] | *far too |
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| 03:00:07 | lebellium | hum |
| 03:00:22 | [Saint] | Where is quickscren? context menu? playback control? |
| 03:00:29 | lebellium | try my link above ;) |
| 03:00:37 | lebellium | now time to go to bed |
| 03:00:37 | [Saint] | (shuffle/repeat/etc.) |
| 03:01:27 | lebellium | there are some shortcuts depending on what area you touch (id3tags, album art etc) but indeed there are fewer shortcuts than with cabbiev2 |
| 03:01:32 | [Saint] | the theme looks nice. |
| 03:01:40 | [Saint] | but it seems quite unusable. |
| 03:01:59 | [Saint] | no obvious control elements except for basic playback. |
| 03:02:26 | [Saint] | but it /looks/ nice. |
| 03:02:27 | lebellium | once you know which area you have to type, short or long press, I don't see the need of an explicit icon :) |
| 03:02:48 | [Saint] | thats rather broken, IMO. |
| 03:03:13 | [Saint] | touch elements shouldn't ever be invisible. the function should he obvious. |
| 03:03:20 | [Saint] | but that is difficult. |
| 03:03:34 | [Saint] | anyway, sleep well. o/ |
| 03:04:52 | [Saint] | The difficult part is making sure users know what is a button, and what function it performs, and making it intuitive. |
| 03:04:55 | lebellium | That's a compromise, sure. Once the theme engine is fixed for SBS and FMS, I'll publish it on the theme website and I'll have to explain carefully in the description what area to touch for every shortcut. That's not the best way but wel... |
| 03:05:39 | [Saint] | I have been reading a lot about UI development, and pretty much all my past work is awful. Despite my best intentions. |
| 03:06:40 | [Saint] | I need to make my next candidate simple, without distracting colors, and obvious. |
| 03:06:48 | [Saint] | Simple and obvious. |
| 03:07:04 | lebellium | Ask Apple :D |
| 03:07:05 | [Saint] | And flat. |
| 03:07:43 | [Saint] | No silly gradients everywhere, no making everything look 3D and rounded. |
| 03:07:58 | [Saint] | Its no longer 2000 :) |
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| 03:08:17 | lebellium | hehe. Argh 3AM, I really need to sleep. And please don't forget my cabbiv2 progress bar fix :( |
| 03:08:28 | [Saint] | Sleep well. |
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| 03:12:42 | PurlingNayuki | [Saint]: That's true so kill the splashf |
| 03:15:09 | PurlingNayuki | Where do Rockbox utility read lang strings when building voice? |
| 03:31:00 | [Saint] | langs folder. |
| 03:31:30 | [Saint] | I'm on mobile, cant remeber the exact path. whoops. not very useful. |
| 03:34:06 | [Saint] | /rockbox/apps/lang |
| 03:52:50 | PurlingNayuki | [Saint]: On Windows? |
| 03:53:26 | [Saint] | Oh, sorry. I thought you meant in the source. |
| 03:53:36 | PurlingNayuki | And without source |
| 03:53:40 | PurlingNayuki | :-( |
| 03:54:00 | PurlingNayuki | Will it download from rockbox.org? |
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| 04:13:39 | saratoga | i think http://download.rockbox.org/daily/voices/ |
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| 04:59:42 | PurlingNayuki | saratoga: It's download, not build |
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| 05:13:00 | JdGordon | PurlingNayuki: if you take the splash out and fix up the last comments i'll push it |
| 05:16:25 | JdGordon | it really would be nice if there was a compile time MAX_VOLUME define |
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| 05:26:56 | VailAZdoug | I seem to have semi-bricked a sansa zip. The symptoms are: 1.>it will boot into the original sansa software by hitting the volume and power button at the same time. 2.> When just hitting the power button by itself, Rockbox shows the startup screen and does not go any further. I've tried to uninstall rockbox but there still is a boot stub. What do I remove. (will try to re-install rockbox after this mess is fixed) Thanks in advanc |
| 05:26:56 | VailAZdoug | e. |
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| 05:41:35 | PurlingNayuki | JdGordon: Wait till tonight. Sorry but I have classes. |
| 05:42:04 | JdGordon | cool |
| 05:45:54 | PurlingNayuki | This year Illusion be extremely busy with college applyling |
| 05:46:04 | PurlingNayuki | *I'll |
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| 05:51:13 | PurlingNayuki | JdGordon: IMO it shouldn't be diffcult to define one without rewriting tens of head files |
| 05:51:55 | PurlingNayuki | But is it really of necessity? |
| 05:55:52 | JdGordon | it means we dont need the custom_option() mess |
| 05:56:01 | JdGordon | which in turn means it can go in the quickscreen |
| 05:56:11 | JdGordon | though that isnt necessarily a good thing! :) |
| 05:57:23 | PurlingNayuki | Try this tonight. |
| 05:57:55 | PurlingNayuki | How to generate needed-by and depends on un gerrit? |
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| 05:58:58 | JdGordon | i think it does it automatically if you push multiple commits instead of just a single one |
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| 06:00:42 | PurlingNayuki | No wonder that I can't find a way to manually add this. |
| 06:07:13 | PurlingNayuki | We can use INT_SETTING to setup this volume limiter...yeah it will be nice to have a compile time MAXVOLUME |
| 06:08:08 | JdGordon | it looks like there are only a few files which would need to be touched to add a #define |
| 06:08:11 | PurlingNayuki | And it's actually easy to add that. |
| 06:08:19 | PurlingNayuki | yes |
| 06:08:30 | PurlingNayuki | audiohw.h |
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| 06:49:04 | saratoga_ | VailAZdoug: you can either uninstall (see manual) or check the disk for errors and copy a new .rockbox folder over (which may or may not fix it depending on what the error is) |
| 06:52:06 | VailAZdoug | saratoga, I just copied over a clean copy of the sansa zip firmware file to the zip root. It's thinking right now with the normal sansa zip nonsense, creating a media database, which hopefully it will finish doing soon. |
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| 10:10:05 | gevaerts | saratoga: yes, we do build one or two manuals to catch the worst errors |
| 10:12:47 | PurlingNayuki | kugel: For all targets or some? |
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| 10:38:26 | pixelma | gevaerts: we do? |
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| 10:42:27 | pixelma | PurlingNayuki: I haven't followed your code just read the discussions here - does the user get feedback about the volume limiter being enabled at all? I mean I could imagine some icon change in the status bar or so (even the built-in one) |
| 10:43:52 | PurlingNayuki | pixelma: The limit is by default set to the maximum volume, and users can set this themselves. |
| 10:44:14 | PurlingNayuki | To this point, they set the limit by themselves so no need to indicate. |
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| 10:52:13 | PurlingNayuki | JdGordon: G#697, hope this to be the final version. |
| 10:52:15 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #697 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/697 : Implement volume limiter feature by PurlingNayuki (changes/97/697/19) |
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| 10:56:09 | PurlingNayuki | ...Oops but actually not. Forget to bring the manual. |
| 10:58:26 | pixelma | I meant for the case they enabled the feature (set a lower limit than maximum). As I imagine it, it would be nice to see at a first glance that something changed which limits what I can do about the volume. Just an idea though after reading the discussion here |
| 10:59:17 | [Saint] | I think its reasonable to expect the user to remember they enabled it explicitly. |
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| 11:00:34 | lebellium | you sometimes forget that you changed a setting in Rockbox |
| 11:00:38 | lebellium | at least, it happens to me |
| 11:01:20 | [Saint] | By that measure, every setting needs a status bar icon. |
| 11:01:20 | copper | damn it |
| 11:01:25 | copper | I made a mistake |
| 11:02:13 | pixelma | I thought a simple icon change (somehow "locked volume" instead of the normal volume wasn't to intrusive and is like showing button lock too |
| 11:02:19 | copper | could someone please replace "UPDATED January 12, 2013" with "UPDATED January 12, 2014" in the theme descriptions of my Googley themes? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?searchtheme&searchword=Googley-Classic&searchtype=name and http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?searchtheme&searchword=Googley-FuzePlus&searchtype=name |
| 11:03:24 | [Saint] | pixelma: I believe it should be apparent by not being able to set the volume past a level that you _should_ remember setting previously. |
| 11:03:30 | [Saint] | But...maybe you're right. |
| 11:03:49 | [Saint] | It just seems a shame to keep on piling requirements on to this change. |
| 11:03:54 | PurlingNayuki | Any manual volunteer? |
| 11:04:20 | [Saint] | In reality, I suspect only those who actually know what it is will be using it. Like many of our settings. |
| 11:05:25 | PurlingNayuki | The default is set to the maximum volume which equals to no limit, so I think it's fine not to give basic users any indicator. |
| 11:06:01 | [Saint] | There is a fine line. |
| 11:06:10 | PurlingNayuki | copper: Try upload again with the same name and email address. |
| 11:06:13 | PurlingNayuki | :P |
| 11:06:15 | [Saint] | But yes, we shouldn;t have to remind users they enabled an advanced feature. |
| 11:06:45 | pixelma | [Saint]: didn't you say you read about UI design? ;) |
| 11:07:46 | PurlingNayuki | Again I'll say if users don't need this or don't understand this they will, or can simply ignore its existence. |
| 11:07:48 | [Saint] | I'm currently only reading about touchscreen flows. |
| 11:08:31 | PurlingNayuki | If they're curious about this or need this, RTFM. |
| 11:08:41 | copper | PurlingNayuki: I'm not going to update my 14 themes all over again |
| 11:08:58 | copper | the theme update process is excessively painful |
| 11:09:02 | PurlingNayuki | copper: That's a large work :( |
| 11:09:04 | [Saint] | If we really have issues with users setting it accidentally, post commit, then it would be easy to investigate a custom icon for volume in the status bar and cabbie. |
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| 11:09:34 | [Saint] | But at this stage I wouldn;t worry unless we find out it becomes a problem. |
| 11:09:36 | gevaerts | pixelma: see e.g. http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=31dfabf;type=iriverh120manual |
| 11:09:44 | wodz | kugel: Please take a look at upadated g#711 |
| 11:09:45 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #711 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/711 : buflib: Add crc field protecting buflib cookie integrity by Marcin Bukat (changes/11/711/2) |
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| 11:13:30 | PurlingNayuki | BTW how to build a manual? |
| 11:14:23 | wodz | Anyone feeling like testing g#713 and g#718 on irivers and iaudios? |
| 11:14:24 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #713 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/713 : by Marcin Bukat (changes/13/713/2) |
| 11:14:25 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #718 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/718 : coldfire: Implement HAVE_INIT_ATTR magic by Marcin Bukat (changes/18/718/1) |
| 11:15:07 | wodz | pamaury: ping |
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| 11:19:26 | pamaury | pong |
| 11:19:32 | pamaury | wodz: ^ |
| 11:20:26 | pixelma | PurlingNayuki: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebHome?topic=ManualHowto should still be ok |
| 11:24:17 | wodz | pamaury: I was thinking again about rk27xx usb driver. We cannot limit dma engine in how many data it will deliver directly but what about of getting data to intermediate buffer of max possible transfer size and memcpy from it later? |
| 11:24:18 | PurlingNayuki | Just read before you told me. Thanks anyway :) |
| 11:26:27 | pamaury | wodz: sure that's an option, it's just very annoying because you need one buffer per EP/dir, but with buflib it should be easy to allocate them |
| 11:27:14 | wodz | pamaury: We have problem with out EPs only, no? |
| 11:27:26 | pamaury | yeah |
| 11:28:28 | wodz | but as you mentioned buflib allocated buffer for lowlevel driver I get scared :-) |
| 11:31:08 | pamaury | you can allocate them statically but that a waste :-/ But yeah I am scraed too ^^ |
| 11:32:04 | fs-bluebot | Build Server message: New build round started. Revision f0bec02, 249 builds, 31 clients. |
| 11:32:15 | JdGordon | thanks PurlingNayuki ! |
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| 11:44:43 | kugel | JdGordon: hm. I mentioned that there are compile time defines for VOLUME_MIN and _MAX. thought you would investigate that before pushing |
| 11:48:26 | PurlingNayuki | JdGordon: Thank you and those who helpped me! |
| 11:48:56 | PurlingNayuki | kugel: These is for some targets, but not for all. |
| 11:49:18 | kugel | really? should be defined for all IIUC |
| 11:50:32 | PurlingNayuki | kugel: Unfortunately no. |
| 11:50:53 | PurlingNayuki | I will do the job later when I finish meal |
| 11:51:14 | kugel | wodz: why didn't you add a "core_check_valid"? |
| 11:52:34 | wodz | kugel: didn't think about it honestly |
| 11:52:42 | gevaerts | kugel: df1704 and pcm1792 have VOLUME_MIN and _MAX. as3514 has it in the c file, but not in a header. That's it |
| 11:54:57 | kugel | hm, perhaps it used to be there for every target? IIRC it controlled the steps the sim shows |
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| 12:01:08 | gevaerts | kugel: there are ways to get at the numbers if you care about the actual volume setting, but they depend on deep preprocessor magic, and making those expand to a *different* setting is not at all easy |
| 12:01:15 | * | gevaerts did have a look at that a while ago |
| 12:01:43 | gevaerts | Have a look at how AUDIOHW_SETTING() is used |
| 12:02:55 | gevaerts | Basically the bit that "calls" AUDIOHW_SETTING() is included several times, each with a different definition for AUDIOHW_SETTING(), which then expands to various tables |
| 12:03:30 | kugel | sounds awkward |
| 12:03:55 | gevaerts | s/awkward/horrible/ :) |
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| 13:59:56 | lebellium | kugel (logs) [Saint] JdGordon : On Clip Zip USB seems to work better with my theme now. No issue so far, although I'm still not sure sure the USB screen is supposed to look like that: http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1600x1200q90/801/m1gg.jpg And well, it takes much more time to be recognized by the computer than with cabbiev2 but at least it works. |
| 13:59:58 | lebellium | RDS issues seem to be gone too. |
| 13:59:59 | lebellium | But I have a huge problem with YP-R0. With the latest build, it crashes whenever I want to change the theme or when I go to sound settings. |
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| 14:02:04 | lebellium | well, more particularly when I cancel the maximum volume setting |
| 14:04:31 | lebellium | when I want to change a theme it displays "loading" then crash |
| 14:04:48 | lebellium | when I'm in the maximum volume setting and want to go back it displays "cancelled" then crash |
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| 14:32:17 | toehser1 | sim head gets segfault |
| 14:32:30 | toehser1 | clipzip |
| 14:35:33 | funman | lebellium: how is your theme size? smaller than before? |
| 14:37:03 | lebellium | funman: hum I did not update my theme |
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| 14:38:33 | funman | ah |
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| 15:02:37 | toehser1 | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 15:02:37 | toehser1 | 0x0000000000427c76 in volume_limit_is_changed (setting=0x8f5d1c <global_settings+1564>, |
| 15:02:37 | toehser1 | defaultval=0x0) at /home/tom/rockbox/git-tip/rockbox/apps/settings_list.c:681 |
| 15:02:37 | toehser1 | 681 *(int*)defaultval = sound_max(SOUND_VOLUME); |
| 15:02:51 | toehser1 | Funny, you guys were just talking about something volume related... |
| 15:03:29 | toehser1 | Note, I haven't touched the volume or any settings related to volume... |
| 15:08:09 | gevaerts | toehser1: on boot? |
| 15:08:21 | * | gevaerts notices that the volume limit doesn't survive reboot |
| 15:15:15 | gevaerts | ah, at least on shutdown |
| 15:15:42 | toehser1 | no, after song skip for a while seeming ok |
| 15:16:38 | gevaerts | similar. The ata_idle callback then probably |
| 15:16:42 | gevaerts | That code can't work |
| 15:17:26 | gevaerts | "If this pointer is NULL, then put this value at the address it points to" |
| 15:18:04 | wodz | gevaerts: It will work of course - on arm it will overwrite reset vector most probably :-) |
| 15:18:14 | gevaerts | There is that :) |
| 15:18:38 | * | gevaerts remembers calling a function pointer on gigabeat F and forgetting to set the pointer |
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| 15:27:50 | gevaerts | toehser1: that one should do it |
| 15:29:52 | toehser1 | trying... |
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| 15:32:28 | toehser1 | seems ok so far, what was the issue? |
| 15:33:06 | gevaerts | Have a look at the lines I removed, and try to figure out when they could ever have been correct :) |
| 15:33:41 | gevaerts | I suspect there was a distinct lack of coffee when that particular bit was written |
| 15:36:44 | PurlingNayuki | I'm confused with void* defaultval actually. |
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| 15:47:23 | * | gevaerts gives PurlingNayuki more coffee |
| 15:47:36 | gevaerts | There, that should fix it :) |
| 15:47:59 | * | PurlingNayuki really appreciates it |
| 15:48:04 | PurlingNayuki | :) |
| 15:50:00 | gevaerts | PurlingNayuki: the way I understand it, you can have a pointer to a default value in CUSTOM_SETTING() (fourth argument). You set that to NULL, so you're not using it, but you could have static int somewhere with the default value, in which case the defaultval pointer in volume_limit_is_changed() and volume_limit_set_default() would make sense |
| 15:51:53 | PurlingNayuki | I was not using it because it accepts compile-time constant only :( |
| 15:52:35 | PurlingNayuki | Though I can use sound_max() anytime to get the default value so it seems not to be useful. |
| 15:54:06 | gevaerts | In this case, indeed |
| 15:54:13 | gevaerts | But you had some remnants in the code |
| 15:54:28 | PurlingNayuki | So... remove it. |
| 15:54:36 | gevaerts | I did :) |
| 15:54:51 | PurlingNayuki | I did the bug and you remove the bug :O |
| 15:55:01 | gevaerts | It happens to everyone! |
| 15:55:10 | gevaerts | I'm claiming it's JdGordon's fault, anyway |
| 15:55:23 | PurlingNayuki | Oops... it wasn't. |
| 15:56:13 | PurlingNayuki | I got a brief test on my iPod Nano 2G, Sansa Fuze and Gigabeat S but it did survive. It's a little strange. |
| 15:56:24 | PurlingNayuki | Or it was due to my good luck? :) |
| 15:56:57 | gevaerts | Null-dereferences can be a bit variable on various hardware |
| 15:57:44 | PurlingNayuki | So the bug varies from targets to targets. |
| 15:58:20 | gevaerts | Could be, yes |
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| 17:01:56 | toehser1 | I got 1 panic on the real player but I can't reproduce it now. |
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| 17:13:13 | MarcAndersen | Hi. I am using the Danish language of Rockbox but some of the voice clips says something completely wrong, and that does not happen in the English voice file. Can I correct this? |
| 17:13:55 | gevaerts | MarcAndersen: that usually means that the language file is out of date |
| 17:14:40 | MarcAndersen | Can I do something here without a build environment? |
| 17:15:20 | gevaerts | Sorry, I mean the voice file |
| 17:15:51 | MarcAndersen | I just rebuilt the voice though |
| 17:16:20 | MarcAndersen | from the latest dev build for sansa clip zip. It is correct in 3.13. |
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| 17:36:47 | toehser1 | When playing on battery I'm seeing 55% full charge, when plugged into charger it shows only 22% full charge... huh? |
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| 18:02:39 | copper | pamaury: the guy with the LCD bug has a st7783 type display |
| 18:02:59 | copper | weird uh? |
| 18:03:30 | pamaury | you mean the bug in plugins ? |
| 18:05:08 | copper | the buffer overflow bug that kugel fixed |
| 18:05:12 | copper | the video I made |
| 18:05:39 | copper | http://youtu.be/9F66xPfTzo8 |
| 18:06:55 | pamaury | ah ok, I thought you were talking about another bug |
| 18:07:14 | copper | weird that we both saw it but not you |
| 18:07:16 | pamaury | but now we know the bug was not in the lcd driver |
| 18:07:33 | pamaury | I guess it depend on the displayed strings |
| 18:07:59 | pamaury | with memory corruption, things can be pretty random |
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| 18:18:10 | lebellium | kuge: see logs :) |
| 18:18:18 | lebellium | kugel * |
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| 18:26:38 | kugel | lebellium: I already saw. Good news |
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| 18:29:00 | lebellium | kugel: could you try the latest build on your R0 to see if you can reproduce the crash? |
| 18:29:51 | kugel | lebellium: which crash? |
| 18:30:14 | kugel | the one at the volume limiter setting was fixed, no? |
| 18:30:22 | lebellium | hum |
| 18:30:45 | lebellium | let me check |
| 18:31:25 | lebellium | I thought it was a different issue |
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| 18:34:58 | lebellium | oh indeed |
| 18:35:09 | lebellium | it's fixed |
| 18:37:23 | lebellium | I mean, the volume limiter setting fix also fixed the crash when switching theme |
| 18:37:34 | lebellium | I don't understand why but it works :) |
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| 18:44:42 | kugel | cool |
| 18:51:01 | lebellium | kugel JdGordon However I have an issue in FMS (only): http://imageshack.com/a/img42/9673/ap0r.png the status bar doesn't display properly |
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| 18:55:33 | kugel | lebellium: please report a bug and attach your sbs/theme |
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| 19:35:26 | felipeluna | hey, guys |
| 19:35:42 | felipeluna | so I'm just gonna ask this, anyone who knows, please answer |
| 19:36:30 | felipeluna | the nsf reader (based on libgme) loops on a nes "song" twice |
| 19:36:39 | felipeluna | I wanna change this to be N times |
| 19:37:01 | felipeluna | There's a lot of code to understand and I thought I would ask here first |
| 19:37:26 | felipeluna | if it is already a parameter, it'd be great to know how can I change it |
| 19:50:20 | kugel | lebellium: so no issues left apart from the USB screen weirdness? |
| 19:51:43 | lebellium | apparently not |
| 19:52:07 | lebellium | but I wouldn't dare to say the USB connection is fixed after about 10-15 try |
| 19:52:19 | lebellium | I'd like to try more |
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| 20:41:12 | fml | It's known that I'm a TeX maniac :-) In the last commit to wps_tags.tex there is an unneeded space before ".\newline", if I'm not mistaken. |
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| 21:41:08 | rixon | yo! can someone add me to WikiUsersGroup? username PaulKenyon |
| 21:43:46 | rixon | it's so I can add a model to the SigmaTel page |
| 21:44:27 | AlexP | rixon: Done |
| 21:44:48 | rixon | Thanks AlexP |
| 21:44:54 | AlexP | you're welcome |
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| 21:49:33 | wodz | pamaury: Why do I need separate buffer per out EP actually? I think I need only one. |
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| 22:03:53 | pamaury | wodz: because several transfer can happen simultanously ? |
| 22:06:03 | wodz | Can they really? I mean on the wire the communication IS serial so how is it possible to have a few simultanously? |
| 22:06:19 | wodz | pamaury:^ |
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| 22:08:16 | b0hoon | Zagor, Bagder: (logs): Could you update the main site, please? |
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| 22:22:14 | pamaury | wodz: you can have several transfers per frame |
| 22:22:49 | pamaury | and anyway, the host can send data for EP0 (say) then EP1 on the next frame and in between you didn't have time to copy the data |
| 22:23:13 | pamaury | with one buffer that would oblige you to really allow only one receive transfer at the time |
| 22:23:38 | pamaury | which is pretty much impossible if you don't know in which order they will arrive ?! |
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| 22:28:01 | pamaury | b0hoon: why did you abandon your arm renaming patch ? |
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| 22:31:44 | b0hoon | pamaury: I don't feel strong enough to face with it :) |
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| 22:34:04 | b0hoon | However wiki should be updated, it's misleading for a new ports. |
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| 22:37:26 | b0hoon | It will be better if i'll stick to a simpler tasks :P, right now i'm trying to fix the backlight for the hdd1630. |
| 22:39:22 | kugel | b0hoon: nice to see you back anyway! |
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| 22:40:16 | kugel | b0hoon: I didnt want to put you off, but this target tree pattern split ($manuf vs $soc) has been debated a lot of times, and if it was as simple as renaming it would have been done long ago |
| 22:40:28 | b0hoon | kugel: heh thanks, but time will show how much time i'll have to spend here |
| 22:41:05 | b0hoon | kugel: yeah i know... |
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| 22:42:53 | kugel | basically nothing has been done because we don't know how to handle PP best (it's a very manifold platform), the older coldfire etc should be relatively simple |
| 22:43:16 | kugel | and it's not a high priority task too |
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| 22:47:07 | b0hoon | yes, i was thinking the same thing, it's not that important, so for now i'll pass. |
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