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#rockbox log for 2014-01-22

00:01:16kugelpreglow: no
00:01:46kugelthe trick was to request more chunks before speex overruns
00:02:31kugelit appears to be a property of speex to attempt to play the buffer even if it's obviously incomplete, so more chunks have to be requested before that happens
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00:03:46kugelI added 6 lines to request the chunks when the buffer nears it's end, i.e. before decoding the last frame (I calculated the largest possible speex frame for this)
00:05:13preglowa speex frame _always_ consists of 20 ms :>
00:05:24preglowlooks good
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01:15:55[Saint]Hi, just ask your question.
01:16:09[Saint](alternatively, read the topic when you come in)
01:16:24Spingebillwhen is the port for fuze+ gonna be declared stable ?
01:16:37[Saint]No one can tell you that.
01:16:44[Saint]Sometime between now and never.
01:18:35[Saint]There's absolutely no need to wait until its "stable", though.
01:18:53[Saint]Those classifications are largely useless.
01:19:07Spingebillit sometimes acts up when i play songs
01:19:17Spingebillitunes, mp3
01:19:46[Saint]That doesn't give me any usable information at all I'm sorry.
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01:27:12BobJonkmanSpingebill: I'm using the Fuze+ software now
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10:59:37wodzAny idea why gcc insist on pushing r3 on the stack in function prologue in thumb mode?
11:05:59wodzOk, figured out. Stack needs to be 8byte alligned so pushing single register is not possible without braking convention. So r3 is used as 'padding' register
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12:04:10chrisjjAnyone here know why,47099.0.html is locked?
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13:05:33funmanchrisjj: because it's been answered
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13:25:44chrisjjfunman: It is not normal for a topic to get locked when answered.
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13:26:43kugelchrisjj: right but it's also not normal to post bug reports in the forum
13:26:47kugelplease stop sthis
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13:29:49chrisjjkugel:I asked whether others had the same issue. Are you saying such questions are unacceptable in the forum?
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13:41:54kugelchrisjj: no, but then you open bug reports with just a link to the forum thread. this is not acceptable
13:42:25kugelalso don't expect bugs to be fixed if you talk about them in the forums only
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13:50:13kugelwodz: i replied to your mail
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14:05:27chrisjjkugel: OK, so since such questions are acceptable (to you) in the forum, I don't see the good reason for the topic to be locked.
14:06:05chrisjjI don't expect bugs to be fixed if I talk about them in the forum only. Actually I don't expect bugs to be fixed at all.
14:07:08chrisjjI merely hope. And if forum info from other users suggest an issue is a bug, I'll report it in FlySpray.
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14:30:27kugelchrisjj: in this case another dev recognized its a bug, and has a bug report for it. from this point it is no longer valuable to talk about it in the forum and the focus should move to the tracker to get this fixed
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15:49:34kugelhm, the workaround to put stuff on the same line as %V* seems not uncommon
15:51:45copperwhere did you see it?
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15:58:32kugel3_eyed_jack theme for sansa clipzip
16:00:43copperI knew I couldn't be the only one
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16:08:41kugelcopper: can you try a fix for FS #12892?
16:08:42fs-bluebot backdrop doesn't load when selecting a new theme that was just copied via USB (bugs, unconfirmed)
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16:13:12copperkugel: hold on, first I'll try to reproduce it, to make sure after that, that the fix really works properly
16:13:24copperugh, what an ugly sentence
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16:18:17kugel_copper: <- seems to work for me
16:18:34kugel_fixes FS #12942 too
16:18:35fs-bluebot Sometimes "backdrop: -" in theme cfg file doesn't clear backdrop. (bugs, unconfirmed)
16:18:52copperI can't reproduce it on the Fuze+
16:25:15copperI can reproduce it in the iPod Video sim when loading xplorr, and then loading another theme
16:25:21copperI'm gonna try your patch now
16:31:03kugel_this happens only with the patch, not without?
16:31:35copperwithout the patch, it's a slightly different effect
16:32:28copperI'm going to take another screenshot, without the patch
16:33:05kugel_copper: try this
16:36:35copperwithout the patch:
16:37:50copperkugel_: you can easily reproduce it yourself with the iPod Video sim, the xplorr theme and another theme
16:37:58coppernot that I mind testing for you
16:38:19kugel_i tested it on the fuzev2
16:38:53copperI'm rebuilding with you latest patch
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16:40:01copperlooks like we have a winner
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17:13:54amayerif something shows up under the code changes on the homepage. does that mean the build is done? or are the code changes put there before the build starts?
17:24:03chrisjj_amayer: AFAICT no. "Code changes" is inaccurate. What it actually lists are source changes. And though the code is supposed to be rebuilt after every source change, it isn't. E.g. currently the Sansa Fuze build on is about a day behind.
17:25:31amayeroh... now I see the hashes listed.
17:26:53amayerthe hashes are in the code changes section and they are also listed on the build page. chrisjj: thanks
17:27:24pixelmakugel_: there is red for monochrome screen targets
17:29:30pixelmachrisjj_: why do you say that the Fuze build is a day behind? It's not for me
17:31:10chrisjj_Because of the date on the build e.g. in rockbox-info.txt. What date do you see?
17:35:17pixelmamaybe the Clips (except the Zip) are a "day behind" but that's just because the build didn't succeed after the last code change and so it has the date of the time it last built correctly (which was yesterday after the second to last check in)
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17:49:12chrisjj_"140122". Strange. The date here is 140121.
17:50:59kugel_140122 for me too
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17:53:43wodzkugel_: you should be awarded a 'bug killer medal'
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18:09:06chrisjj_Something/one refreshed the build at 16:35 - nine minutes after I wrote "a day behind".
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18:13:56kugel_wodz: ping
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18:21:55kugelwodz: what is rk27generic for a target? is it a group of players?
18:22:47wodzkugel: It is for reference design. Most of cheap rk27xx generics use plain reference design
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18:25:46wodzkugel: I'd love to call it Ramos RM970 which I believe is plain reference design BUT I don't have the device to actually check so I decided to name the target like it is now
18:27:18kugelwodz: but they aren't all exactly the same are they?
18:27:59kugelhm, this looks like a touchscreen player?
18:29:26wodzkugel: I bought 2 noname generics (mine and the one I sent to pamaury) and both work with single build. On the forum there was report of generic build working on some other kirsch or something player. On youtube you can find videos with some RITMIX brand device running generic build
18:30:22wodzkugel: If you refer to this 'upset' guy - his player seems to be touchscreen
18:31:23kugelI meant the Ramos RM970
18:31:33wodzRM970 is not touchscreen
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18:33:18kugelare they all 3" and have the same buttons?
18:35:07wodzI think there are two different types of lcd controllers used though
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21:28:48scorcheright then...since it seems that my server has crashed, I am just going to use this time to apply an upgrade (migrate to another host) while it is down...
21:29:30gevaertsAs long as you don't beat it while it's down... ;)
21:29:44scorchegenerally, you folk are the ones that beat it
21:30:03scorcheso, this migration comes with double the RAM (3GB now)
21:30:57scorchethough, when the time comes for the yearly renewal (May), I very likely will be downgrading the system, as it is getting too expensive for all the stuff going on in my life right now...
21:31:19scorchewe shouldnt need all that power/ram/storage/bandwidth anyway
21:31:53kugelscorche: perhaps the fund can pay for it (partly)?
21:31:54gevaertsWe should be able to fix the ban list handling before then
21:33:55scorchekugel: well, i have paid for it myself out of pocket for 7 years - i dont see the sense in asking for money now when activity (and likely fundage) is at what is likely the lowest it has been
21:34:25kugelbut your situation isnt the same either right
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21:34:39kugelwell you decide, I was just suggesting
21:34:40scorchealso, i dont think we need all what I am paying for, so i would still think it is fine to downgrade
21:37:39scorcheis there even still really a "fund"
21:37:47scorchei guess the swedes arent in here
21:38:06kugeli talked to zagor very recently, the fund is still in existence
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21:49:11bertrikI read about a tool called iwyu (include what you use) today, curious if it helps rockbox
21:58:29[Saint]chrisjj_: in the nicest possible way, please try to avoid answering questions based on what you _think_ happens, if you don;t know.
21:58:40[Saint]SOmeone might confuse you for knowing what you're talking about.
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22:11:42AlexP_the source changes but the code doesn't... right...
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23:05:30chrisjj_AlexP: Correct. "These builds are provided fresh after every source code change. If builds are not currently showing, wait 5-10 minutes and then refresh the page." is not happening.
23:06:11AlexP_the code is the source
23:06:15AlexP_It is the source code
23:06:41AlexP_The builds may not being updated (I haven't looked and it seems unlikely), but that isn't the same thing
23:06:49chrisjj_Semantics aside, the building not working as declared.
23:07:36AlexP_yes it is
23:07:57chrisjj_E.g.;a=commit;h=6cb1176 Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:58:58 was not showing on Sansa Fuze 20 mins later.
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23:08:19chrisjj_Sans Fuze latest build was a day earlier.
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23:08:56AlexP_Well I can't say anything about that as I didn't look
23:09:09AlexP_But unless a build failed for a particular target, they show up
23:09:15AlexP_As they all are now for instance
23:09:48chrisjj_AlexP: "nless a build failed for a particular target" Well then it failed.
23:10:22chrisjj_"all are now for instance" You've checked them all?
23:10:50AlexP_I've looked that they all built except the player in the build table, and on the current build page they are showing the current revision, yes
23:11:14AlexP_er, all except recorder
23:12:13chrisjj_See what I mean?
23:12:17*AlexP_ waits patiently for chrisjj_ to find something else pointless to be pedantic about
23:12:22AlexP_No, haven't the faintest
23:12:44chrisjj_Thanks for the clarification.
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23:16:17[Saint]Is it _that_ hard to check the build table?
23:16:20[Saint]Like, really?
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23:17:20AlexP_[Saint]: It's less likely to irritate everyone, so yes
23:17:40[Saint]That does seem to be the case.
23:19:20[Saint]I'm having a hard time seeing why the discussion continued. You very clearly informed him of the reasons why a build may not be current in the build table.
23:19:43AlexP_[Saint]: Probably semantics, which are a cardinal sin except for when chrisjj_ makes a mistake
23:20:41*AlexP_ will stop now. irritation is making me rude
23:21:03[Saint]I find it difficult myself.
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23:40:13[Saint]chrisjj_: Now you're just being plain annoying.
23:40:23[Saint]You were told exactly why it works the way it does.
23:40:34[Saint]...and then you go on the forums and cry about it?
23:40:51[Saint]Nice one.
23:42:06[Saint]The builds *are* provided fresh, after every source change (or grouping thereof). However, as you were told, failed builds are *not* uploaded.
23:42:33[Saint]I expect this to be the absolute last on the matter.
23:43:09gevaertsIf a build fails for a target, it means the source code that was *meant* to be for that target now isn't (otherwise it *would* build), which means the source code for that target didn't change
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