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#rockbox log for 2014-01-26

00:00:31[Saint]it should, yes.
00:00:40gevaertsI wouldn't expect a failed first database init to come back to haunt you after a reboot though
00:00:54[Saint]no, that is odd.
00:01:08gevaertsIt also doesn't explain why the OF is being equally difficult
00:02:22[Saint]No. It doesn't. I just wanted to point out that the Rb Database init wasn't ever going to complete.
00:02:33[Saint]I have no idea of the underlying issue.
00:06:30gevaertsDoes the clip+ have a reset settings onboot button?
00:06:56gevaertsAlso, is it scanning for the database, or for dircache?
00:08:53gevaertsok, no reset settings button
00:09:25dizzylizzyI was aware of the not having any media files problem, but only after I started having this problem, and I can't put any media files on to test it. I could insert my microSD card, but now that the player will not power on whatsoever that won't help much
00:11:09gevaertsThe question is, is it powered off, or is it powered on with the screen off?
00:11:57gevaertsIf the former, I'd say there's something fundamentally broken. If the latter, if holding power for a minute or so doesn't help, waiting for the battery to run down should
00:12:01[Saint]sensitive iems or an amp will tell.
00:12:16[Saint](if its on)
00:13:18toehser1What does it do when you go through the sequence -power button for over one minute -hold center button while plugging into USB
00:13:33toehser1holding power button for over a minute should _ensure_ it is off
00:13:58toehser1plugging into USB then should do _something_, best bet is with center held
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00:15:43gevaertstoehser1: I'm not sure how that's different from booting and then plugging in
00:16:33toehser1OF has a special thing about what happens when it plugs in with center button, and I think RB respects it, at least, it does different things for me.
00:17:33gevaertsas far as rockbox is concerned, holding a button while detecting USB just makes it not do USB
00:17:45toehser1booting then plugging I get the usb screen icon and both drives (internal and sd)
00:18:03toehser1plugging while center from off, I get a black screen and only the internal drive, not the sd drive
00:18:11gevaertsWell, "not do USB" is a bit inaccurate, but close enough in this case :)
00:18:41toehser1but the dmesg says rockbox so I don't think I'm getting OF version of it.
00:18:59toehser1But definitely DIFFERENT than booting and plugging. and definitely NOT "not do USB".
00:19:41gevaertsSounds like bootloader behaviour then
00:19:44*gevaerts looks at code
00:20:07gevaertsAh, yes
00:20:28gevaertsI said I'm not too familiar with the clips I think :)
00:20:40gevaertsSo yes, that's definitely worth a try
00:22:21gevaertsThat's *before* the bootloader tries to access the filesystem, so any filesystem corruption shouldn't be an issue here and be fixable from the host
00:24:24toehser1I was able to get into the Sansa USB, also - I held *BOTH* the "left" and "center" while plugging from off - and made it into Sansa USB without the refreshing-media crap.
00:27:05toehser1Looks like that is the same as just holding "left" while plugging USB from "off".
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00:42:26saratogais there some reason theres no bootloader USB mode on the AMSv2 series?
00:42:35saratogaseems like an obvious way to avoid problems like that
00:42:46saratogai thought we had it workign at one point
00:43:56toehser1Isn't what I just described with "hold the center button while plugging into USB with power off" a "bootloader USB mode"?
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00:45:58saratogaah it is
00:46:04saratogalooking at the bootloader source now
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09:17:53PurlingNayukiI notice that not all SVN branches got converted to git😔
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12:38:54bluebrother^hmm. So my forum signature has some messed up characters in it, but when I try to change it I run into the size limit of 255 characters with the [url]s in it. Any chance to work around this?
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14:04:26kugelPurlingNayuki: ping
14:06:15PurlingNayukikugel: pong
14:06:33kugelPurlingNayuki: you mentioned USB problems. can you try the latest build again?
14:06:51kugeli fixed a possible memory corruption
14:07:43PurlingNayukisure will try, but not now
14:08:11PurlingNayukiTomorrow later?
14:09:07PurlingNayukiAnd USB works sometimes actually −− at least for today morning when I tried to copy some musics
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16:08:23kugelPurlingNayuki: thanks again for your lcd sizes list
16:08:34kugelPurlingNayuki: I integrated that and updated the list separator branch
16:13:38PurlingNayukikugel: Uh.. Where's the list?
16:14:05kugel g#729
16:14:08fs-bluebotGerrit review #729 at : by Thomas Martitz (changes/29/729/1)
16:15:18PurlingNayukiSorry I didn't notice the new commit..
16:15:41PurlingNayukiWhat do you think about G#727?
16:15:42fs-bluebotGerrit review #727 at : by Purling Nayuki (changes/27/727/1)
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16:25:40kugellooks goo
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16:29:26bluebrother^wtf ... why doesn't the bot terminate when I'm trying to shut it down?
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16:33:32kugelbluebrother^: did you see FS #12947 ?
16:34:30bluebrother^it's not really much of a problem though
16:34:49bluebrother^and somewhat non-trivial with the current approach
16:35:17bluebrother^since "installing" the manual can be done separately, and in that case there's (currently) no way to figure the "correct" one
16:36:08bluebrother^plus, given that the manual isn't updated that often (and release manuals thus aren't too accurate anyway) I'm seeing this as a minor problem :)
16:36:59kugelthere is a "won't fix" close reason for that situation
16:37:34kugelalthough I think it would be nice if it could be fixed, perhaps by looking at what version is selected in the other tab
16:38:26kugelor by creating a similar drop down menu in the manual tab
16:39:31bluebrother^there are ways to address this so it's not something that qualifies for "won't fix" imo
16:39:52bluebrother^could be "later" though :)
16:40:10bluebrother^anyways, I'm going to look into this. No idea when / how long it will take though
16:40:26kugelright but if you aren't going to work on this because it's too minor is pretty much a "won't fix" (you still acknowledge it's a bug, otherwise it would be "Not a bug")
16:41:33kugelperhaps the release / current / rc selection could be promoted so it applies for all tabs
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16:42:26bluebrother^that's one option
16:42:38bluebrother^another one would be to merge the manual tab with the Installation one
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16:43:10bluebrother^which kinda would make sense.
16:43:33bluebrother^and maybe make the Manual tab display the HTML manual directly. Though that would need some work for proxy handling
16:43:44bluebrother^unless Qt supports this now. It didn't some years back
16:44:16kugelgood idea
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16:45:09fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
16:45:18bluebrother^oh, nice
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16:58:24fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
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16:59:58fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
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17:07:17ildarionHi there !
17:08:33ildarionI was able to update my Sansa Fuze + on Bootloader V2 (OF dosen't trigger before) but now, when I plug it on Windows, the device seem to be not detected
17:08:45ildarionIt's normal or .... ?
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17:32:57gevaertsbluebrother^: I've now increased the signature limit to 300. Shout if that's still not enough
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18:41:38ildarionHey, i Just upadate my Sansa Fuze + with the bootloader V2 and now, windows don't detect the device, it's normal ?
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18:49:15ildarionWhen my sansa is OFF, I plug, and he stay with a black screen. If I do the same with volum down, same
18:49:29ildarionI have no idea what to do
18:51:33ildarionWith rockbox ON and plug : USB Keypad Mode, the device is detected by windows by "unknow"
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18:57:58ildarionIf i unplug when sansa was ON, seem to be block (need to force shutdown)
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18:59:31ildarionformat using the OF can resolve this ?
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19:11:08ildarionweird.... Work on my other PC on XP, but on my win 7 no... But my other device, work on Win7, only sansa
19:16:53ildarionYeah ! I succed !
19:17:12ildarionI tunr on my sansa and during the loading screen, plug it
19:24:20ildarionjust get this error when i plugged :
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19:31:24funmanildarion: yeah, USB is buggy on some Sansas
19:33:03kugelgit HEAD seems to panic on boot on the hwcodec/Player
19:33:27kugelthe indicated erroneous instruction is a simple pc-relative bt
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19:36:59ildarionit's a good idea if i format ?
19:37:12ildarionor it will be worse ?
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19:42:21ildarionafter formating, issue sitll here
19:42:35ildarionSo this is a bootloader issue ?
19:44:51ildarionI guess I will wait paumary
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19:57:58pamauryildarion: ping
19:59:08pamauryfunman: afaik USB is not particularly buggy on the Fuze+, contrary to the AMS based ones
20:03:39ildarionhey pamaury, i just posted a post on the forum
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20:06:35pamauryI saw, it is strange because the V2 bootloader is supposed to be quite stable wrt to USB. If I understand correctly nothing happen when you plug your device ?
20:07:15ildarionbefore i format yes, or the device what no reconized
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20:07:46pamauryso you formatted and is it better ?
20:07:48ildarionI was able to connect him on win XP and copy my rockbox backup
20:08:03ildarionnow, it' the same
20:08:15pamauryI doubt formatting would have any impact because the bootloader is not loaded from the file system
20:08:18ildarionI can only connect on OF MSC
20:08:33ildarionthe device still unknow
20:08:52pamaurydevice is unknown under RB bootloader but not under OF ?
20:09:34ildarionNo now, because i was format, i just have the OF (rockbox file was formated)
20:11:09pamauryoh you mean you reinstalled the OF without RB bootloader ?
20:11:22ildarionIf i plug when my sansa is OFFi get really nothing
20:11:49ildarionthe screen stay black and i need to reset with holding power
20:11:53funmanpamaury: does it use the same controller?
20:12:12funmanthen it's normal that it doesn't share the same sets of bugs ;)
20:12:28pamauryit doesn't sound like a USB bug, if the screen stays black
20:13:01funmanI was refering to the data abort
20:13:26funmanoh I didn't see that ildarion has a Fuze + ... sorry about this
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20:14:14ildarionI'm not sur i was reinstall OF without RB
20:14:23ildarionI was install RB
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20:14:32ildarionand after format under the OF
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20:15:03ildarionSo now, I have the bootloader v2 (i guess) but not the rockbox file (formated)
20:15:31ildarionI maybe shouldn't format
20:15:53ildarionI was format using the option in OF
20:15:55pamauryok so rockbox bootloader is still there
20:16:11ildarionthe issue is : can't plug into windows
20:16:25ildarionso can't install using rockbox utility
20:16:32pamauryeven in OF ?
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20:16:43ildarionin OF, just nothing happend
20:16:50ildarionscree stay black
20:16:50[Saint]Worth trying a less picky OS?
20:17:11pamauryhum, something very wrong must have happened, maybe bad storage
20:17:45ildarionbefore the update it was cool under the old bootloader :D
20:18:13ildarionbut the alarm wasn't working^^
20:18:22[Saint]It may be simply very poor timing for a HW failure.
20:18:46pamauryindeed, it is probably best to recover
20:18:50[Saint]I'm not sure how Rockbox could cause this directly.
20:19:00bluebrother^who has access to the theme site?
20:19:42bluebrother^it is missing the ipod6g
20:19:42pamauryildarion: I'll be back in 30 min and explain you how to recover
20:21:05ildarionpamaury: ok, i'am not hurried. if i't long process maybe other day if you want
20:25:20gevaertsbluebrother^: it's not *missing* the ipod6g as such. It's just that we haven't really agreed that it should be there, given its "unusable" status
20:26:23gevaertsI think we should add it, but do we have a consensus?
20:26:47gevaertsstupid question, I know. this is *rockbox* :)
20:26:49bluebrother^I agree we should add it.
20:26:59bluebrother^so we two have a consensus I'd say :)
20:27:26gevaertsIf we do it quickly enough, we can probably avoid people objecting in time :)
20:28:36bluebrother^plus, we don't loose much anyway.
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20:29:08bluebrother^we have the Ondas there as well and they are unusable according to the front page
20:29:32bluebrother^so not having the ipod6g there because of its status doesn't make much sense in my book :)
20:30:49bluebrother^user890104: ^^
20:31:05bluebrother^gevaerts: btw, Rockbox Utility uses the ipodvideo image
20:31:09gevaertsOf course now someone has to put a picture in the right place
20:31:44[Saint]chrisjj becomes relevant
20:31:53gevaertsI'm re-running checkwps on all themes. With any luck, that will give the thing some actual themes
20:32:08[Saint]and filter out some thatfailed since.
20:32:13bluebrother^it currently shows 17 themes
20:32:26user890104gevaerts: it is referred as "ipodclassic" not "ipod6g" in rbutil IIRC
20:32:34bluebrother^user890104: wrong
20:32:45[Saint]it _should_ be ipod6g
20:32:52bluebrother^that definitely states "ipod6g"
20:33:33*user890104 checks again
20:33:51bluebrother^it _was_ ipodclassic some time in the past
20:34:03bluebrother^but when cleaning up all the device names that was changed as well. IIRC.
20:34:09bluebrother^at least these days it's ipod6g
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20:34:42bluebrother^ah, here:
20:34:48bluebrother^fs-bluebot: .describe e3cddc2e
20:34:49fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
20:34:59bluebrother^oh, nice. Yet another thing that broke :(
20:35:10bluebrother^well, that's the commit that changed it from ipodclassic to ipod6g
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20:35:32gevaertsuser890104: you have a classic, I presume. Can you provide a nice svg we can use to generate all needed images? ;)
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20:39:13user890104bluebrother^: yes, the target name is indeed fixed
20:39:33copperwhy are my theme not listed on the iPod Classic theme page?
20:40:10user890104gevaerts: how do i create the svg? i have a classic, but no design skills :)
20:40:11coppermines and lots others
20:40:14gevaertscopper: for now, I'm going with "because you're too impatient"
20:40:23copperok ok :P
20:40:31gevaertsIt's not *instant*
20:40:51[Saint]maybe some ISP "helpful" caching, too.
20:43:27gevaertsAll I can say is that the checkwps run is still going
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20:45:23copperCC license
20:45:29copperit's perfect
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20:46:01bluebrother^fs-bluebot: .describe e3cddc2e
20:46:02fs-bluebotbluebrother: I just crashed
20:46:06bluebrother^hmm. Still?
20:47:08*gevaerts grumbles
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20:47:59gevaerts"You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor" is fair enough, but then I expect the author to specify this!
20:51:06bluebrother^comparing the wikipedia image with our images it looks somewhat out of place
20:51:19bluebrother^kinda too shiny :)
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20:51:52gevaertsI'm sure inkscape has an "add scratches" feature :)
20:52:18bluebrother^well, swapping grey and white areas on the ipodvideo svn should do most of the work
20:53:18gevaertsActually, yes, that may be a better option. That way, it will also keep our button names and things like that
20:55:15bluebrother^that's the ipodvideo image with colors for scrollwheel and case swapped
20:55:50bluebrother^hmm, whait
20:55:53bluebrother^something went wrong
20:56:53bluebrother^ah no, my bad. Was looking at the wrong file
20:58:28*gevaerts has something similar
20:58:45gevaertsExcept I also swapped the select button colour :)
20:59:54bluebrother^I just did that as well
21:00:03bluebrother^after noticing the button names to be almost unreadable ;-)
21:00:30bluebrother^it might be a good idea to make those even a bit darker
21:03:14gevaertsI'm not entirely sure about the while line near the edge
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21:05:46bluebrother^updated once more
21:05:52bluebrother^white line is now grey
21:06:14gevaertsI'm *also* not entirely sure why this checkwps run is so slow
21:07:09gevaertsThat looks quite good I think
21:07:24bluebrother^and select fixed
21:08:02bluebrother^looks quite ok imo and without that rounded effect (which I guess wouldn't look too good when scaled down)
21:09:40[Saint]inscape can do texturing, yes.
21:09:56[Saint]And I'm fairly sure I have a convincing "burnished" texture somewhere.
21:10:09[Saint]*inkscape, too.
21:10:53bluebrother^well, scale it to something like 47x80 for Rockbox Utility ...
21:11:10bluebrother^nothing texture anymore. At least not visible :)
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21:11:39bluebrother^and given that we don't have any 3d like effects on the other pictures I'd prefer to not add that for the ipod6g
21:14:51gevaertsscorche: ping
21:15:30pamauryildarion: still here ?
21:20:13gevaertsscorche: never mind, I can't figure out what I actually want to ask :)
21:20:13scorchegevaerts: pong
21:20:18gevaertsah :)
21:21:06gevaertsscorche: right. Any chance you could run a chown themes:www-data on themes.db-wal and themes.db-shm in the themesite's private directory?
21:21:51gevaertsRight now I can't access the database, so I can't check what the thing is doing
21:24:34scorchegevaerts: am i good to head to brunch? =)
21:24:40gevaertsGo ahead!
21:25:52ildarionpamaury i'm bussy this night, it's possible an other day ?
21:26:29pamauryildarion: sure, maybe tomorrow ?
21:26:55ildarionwhen you are less bussy :D
21:27:28ildarionit's not hurrie for me
21:28:30coppergevaerts: the list of iPod Classic themes hasn't moved in the last 50 minutes
21:28:35gevaertsI know
21:28:49pamauryildarion: tomorrow I should be available all evening
21:29:11ildarionok ok, i will try to remember
21:29:25ildarionthanx for your assistance
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21:44:22wodzpamaury: Do you have images of yp-cp3 internals?
21:45:55pamaurywodz: no, good to remind me ^^ Let me find my tools to open it
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21:47:24wodzpamaury: I noted my findings on the wiki
21:47:55pamauryI saw that, great :)
21:48:39wodzI am now digging in gpio code which is huge mess. I am still not sure how buttons are handled actually
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21:50:10[0xAF]i'm trying to compile RB for iPod Classic (target #29), but there are missing includes, like "lang.h" and "rockboxlogo.h"
21:50:18[0xAF]any ideas ?
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21:51:31gevaerts[0xAF]: are you building in a clean directory?
21:51:34bluebrother^those are generated
21:51:42bluebrother^run make clean, then try again
21:51:59gevaertsCheck what's there after that make clean
21:52:26[0xAF]yup, in ./rockbox/build/
21:52:56[0xAF]only these files: autoconf.h Makefile
21:53:17gevaertsok, those are allowed
21:53:22gevaerts(and expected)
21:53:39[0xAF]and my wrapper script called "arm" to add PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the toolchain
21:54:23gevaertsHow are you using that?
21:54:50gevaertsI mean, are you sourcing it, or just running it and expecting the environment to be changed after it exits?
21:55:05wodzbuild just fine here
21:55:31[0xAF]i'm hacking canon cameras and have few toolchains laying around, so i'm using arm-elf-eabi toolchain
21:55:35[0xAF]the "arm" script contents:
21:55:40[0xAF]export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-elf-
21:55:40[0xAF]export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/af/arm/arm-elf-toolchain/lib
21:55:40DBUGEnqueued KICK [0xAF]
21:55:40[0xAF]export PATH=$PATH:/home/af/arm/arm-elf-toolchain/bin
21:55:59[0xAF]calling it like this: "./arm make"
21:56:00gevaertsAnd you run ./arm make, presumably?
21:56:07gevaertsOK, that should work I'd expect
21:56:18[0xAF]works for canon dslr hacks
21:56:32[0xAF]and i see no reason for it to make troubles...
21:56:35gevaertsHmm, wait
21:56:54gevaertsI don't know about that CROSS_COMPILE one
21:57:16[0xAF]copyed from canon hacks ... im using it there in the Makefile (to prefix the toolchain)
21:57:23[0xAF]it's not needed for RB actually
21:57:36gevaertsWell, configure uses CROSS_COMPILE for some stuff
21:57:58[0xAF]couldn't hurt IMO, since most other scripts use CROSS_COMPILE to prefix the toolchain
21:58:00[0xAF]i can remove it
21:58:38[0xAF]quite strange ... it seems it was breaking the compilation
21:58:41[0xAF]stupid me ...
21:58:50[0xAF]i should check where it's used in RB
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21:59:22[0xAF]thanks for the hint :)
21:59:28gevaertsNo problem :)
21:59:40gevaertscopper: all themes should be there now
22:01:48[0xAF]unfortunately i should recompile the arm-eabi toolchain ... this one would not link the RB binary
22:02:28gevaertsWell, we do provide scripts to build one :)
22:02:39[0xAF]yeah... just looking at them ;)
22:02:52[0xAF]or it will be faster to get the VirtualMachine i guess...
22:03:19wodzbuilding single crosscompiler is pretty fast
22:03:41[0xAF]will give it a try
22:14:19pamaurywodz: I didn't manage to open the YP-C3 so far
22:14:54wodzpamaury: thats unfortunate
22:15:07pamauryI wonder if it's not glued
22:16:15pamauryI'll keep trying, stay tuned
22:17:06wodzpamaury: I see only two gpios probed for state so maybe buttons are handled by adc
22:19:14pamauryoh wow, never heard of the YP M1
22:19:26lebelliumyou should
22:19:36pamauryis it good ?
22:19:43lebelliumit's the only player along with the Zune HD to have a Tegra chip
22:19:54wodzlebellium: Where did it come from? rk2706B is supposed to run at 200MHz max
22:20:14lebelliumpamaury: read my review, as usual :P
22:21:05wodzheh not speaking that the core is arm7-ejs not arm7-ejc :P The same error as in rockchip datasheet
22:21:10lebelliumwodz: from my contact at Samsung
22:22:26coppergevaerts: great, thanks!
22:24:39wodzif this is really rk2706b I'd love to see actual cpuid signature and maybe rom dump
22:25:19lebelliumthat may be wrong, you know, there are often mistakes in Samsung internal documentation :P
22:25:57wodzthe type in core name is granted :-)
22:26:45lebelliumbut the audio DAC should be correct
22:26:46wodzanyway SDK never sets pll higher then 200MHz so this doesn't matter really
22:27:26wodzlebellium: judging from disasm it is either wm8750 or wm898x so this seems to match
22:32:19wodzI am still amazed by the volume of the dead code in rk firmware
22:37:57user890104gevaerts bluebrother^: looks like all of the ipod6g themes are listed now (125 in total), i am trying to install all of them on my classic using rbutil, just to test if everything is fine
22:38:25user890104uhm, it failed on the theme with id 995
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22:46:03CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:46:03*[Saint] suddenly clicks that if checkwps let them through in the first place that it is unlikely to catch any other cases without a bit more poking
22:46:19[Saint]...I have no idea why I thought that would "Just Work".
22:46:42[Saint]It needs a bit of a helping hand wrt allowable syntax apparently.
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22:48:33[0xAF]the ipod looses it's usb connection... and i can hear the hard disk ticking once ... sounds like it's off and then turned on, but at this time the usb connection resets ... and the ipod hangs at it's main menu (removing the usb screen)... needs restarting
22:51:16[Saint]Windows host?
22:53:22[Saint]Very odd.
22:53:30[Saint]Can you try the fallback image please?
22:53:37[0xAF]it started tonight ... i had no problems in the previous few days (since i have the ipod)
22:53:44[Saint]emCORE main menu - Tools - Run rockbox fallback
22:53:46[0xAF]fallback seems to work correctly
22:53:54[Saint]Very odd.
22:54:16[Saint]I mean, that is expected, but you seem to be the one guy with a linux host that sees issue here.
22:54:37[Saint]Generally speaking, linux has been very permissive of the CLassic's USB issues.
22:54:51[Saint]I haven't ever managed to catch it reliably.
22:55:09[Saint]I don't think anyone actually has been able to when trying to debug this.
22:55:12[0xAF]if i leave the ipod this way (frozen), it turns the backlight off after the timeout ... then the keys will turn it back on, but i cant move over the menus ... so it's not totally dead
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22:55:20[Saint]...Windows machines, however, well...yeah.
22:55:36[Saint]We managed to do *something* to piss them off royally over the past two years or so.
22:55:46[0xAF]my latop has only usb3 ports ...if that matters
22:55:51[Saint]No idea what. But, they really seem to hate the Classic USB in git head.
22:56:02[Saint]Yeah, that probably does matter.
22:56:14[Saint]Even though it technically shouldn;t matter at all, it definitely seems to.
22:56:30[Saint]emCORE installation falls over hard with USB3 for some reason.
22:56:38[Saint]NFI why.
22:56:49[0xAF]yeah, i had problems with samsung android devices ... their download mode is not quite working with usb3 ports
22:56:57*[Saint] nods
22:57:01[Saint]I have that issue as well.
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22:57:46[0xAF]i've installed emCORE, but the DFU (the 64mb partition) i had to wait about 10 mins to be able to mount it ...
22:57:49[Saint]As far as I understand it, it should be absolutely 100% backwards compatible (weird early version USB3 ports/cables aside).
22:58:00[Saint]That issue is know.
22:58:21[0xAF]the strange thing is that i had no problems in the past few days ... never
22:58:55[Saint]There's been nothing obvious committed in the past few days that I would expect to cause this.
22:59:00[0xAF]now it's damn crashing after few seconds
22:59:08pamaurywodz: I'm almost done with opening it, it's a real pain
22:59:21[Saint]It might be worth checking the disk itself.
22:59:41[Saint]These things are absolutely notorious for their terrible disk firmware, and shitting their own disks.
23:00:11[Saint]smashing the heads against the platter is a fun thing they like to do to amuse themselves.
23:00:41[0xAF][Saint]: i was thinking to replace the RB with my compilation ... the previous one was from 22.Jan (when i installed it for the first time)... the issue started with the 22th build ... it crashed when i was copying the RB binary... then i had to go to the failback image to put my newly compiled RB
23:00:53[0xAF]but it's failing with mine build too
23:01:25[Saint]I think it might be worth checking the filesystem and disk condition.
23:01:31[0xAF]did that
23:01:36[0xAF]there were fixes
23:01:51[0xAF]havent checked the disk condition
23:01:56[Saint]But with the FS repaired, its still being a dick?
23:02:16[0xAF]could it be a HDD problem ?
23:02:41[0xAF]just bought the ipod (second hand) few days ago ... so it's quite possible to be with broken disk...
23:02:58[Saint]It very well could be, yes. But there's a problem in determining this reliably/easily.
23:03:20[Saint]Since we wipe out the Original Firmware completely, wer can't check in diagnostic mode trivially.
23:03:25[Saint]*we can't
23:03:50[0xAF]can't i just 'dd' it to /dev/null and see if it reads ?
23:03:53[Saint]...but, I have noticed that their diagnostic mode isn't guaranteed to give useful information to begin with, so, mah. I guess.
23:04:18wodzpamaury: Is it glued?
23:04:34[Saint]You could, I believe, yes.
23:04:40[Saint]It'll take a damn while, though.
23:05:18pamauryit's bizarre, it is glued but the design is mostly mechanical
23:05:41[0xAF]i wonder why the FB image is working
23:05:41pamauryI have it opened but there is still some plastic over the PCB, I need to find out how to remove it
23:05:49[Saint]I honestly can't think of a single other case where a Classic user has seen reproducible USB issues with a linux host.
23:05:57[Saint]There's always a first, I suppose.
23:06:11[Saint]If you had a Windows host, I wouldn;t be surprised in the slightest.
23:06:29[Saint]...but this is slightly interesting.
23:06:39[Saint]I just wish I could offer up some usable information.
23:06:40[0xAF][Saint]: then, the way to reproduce could be a broken disk ;)
23:06:51[Saint]Hahahaha. :)
23:07:05[Saint]I have had one of these crash and burn on me myself.
23:07:39[Saint]One day, fine, next day it booted and didn;t want to do anything except slam the heads into the platter, hard, in a rhythmic fashion.
23:08:02[0xAF]i can hear similar sound ... but rarely ...
23:08:11[0xAF]i though it's just the spinning of the disk (when it's off)
23:08:35[Saint]Right. We don;t seem to handle spindown correctly with CE_ATA.
23:08:49[Saint]It just kinda...abruptly kills power.
23:08:59[0xAF]yeah ... sounds just like that
23:09:01[Saint]Rather than nicely spinning down and halting.
23:09:39[0xAF]btw, if this keeps reproducing and it's not a broken disk... perhaps i could be of help somehow... providing some information ?
23:09:57[Saint]That was a familiar sound to me.
23:10:12[Saint]Especially if you have fastboot enabled.
23:10:33[Saint]emCORE doesn't get nearly enough time to spin down the disk at boot beofre it hands off to Rockbox.
23:10:43[0xAF]one more thing i just mentioned .... when this was breaking... i was working only in the .rockbox folder ... once my disk is checked, i will try to dig into the music ...
23:10:53[Saint]So the drive just powers down, and then ROckbox takes over. And in between that it makes a godawful noise.
23:11:38[Saint]Just one of the dozen or so reasons its still classed as "unusable". :)
23:12:11[0xAF]btw, just thinking noisly ... could it be something related to the directory caches or similar ? or the RB using it's files while im digging there (shouldn't be a problem though)
23:12:31[0xAF]because in the past few days i had no problems with it, but i was working with my "music" folder only
23:12:43[Saint]Rockbox won;t be accessing the disk at all when connected via USB.
23:13:04[Saint]s/connected/connected and mounted/
23:13:27[0xAF]it changes the screen to USB mode once i connect it... even if it's not mounted
23:14:14[Saint]Right. The Nano2G does this too, the magic to detect a charger vs. a host is fairly complicated I believe.
23:14:18[0xAF]btw... is there a way to make the ipod detect the charger correctly ... it switches to usb mode once i put a charger .... it's not cool for using it in car...
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23:14:31[Saint]It thinks any power source is an opportunity to enumerate it seems.
23:14:52[Saint]Just hold any button while plugging USB to subvert this behavior.
23:14:55pamaurydamned, samsung really didn't want anyone to open this device
23:15:04[Saint]That says "I don;t want you to mount now"
23:15:16[0xAF][Saint]: cool trick, thanks
23:15:34lebelliumpamaury: removing the screw is not enough?
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23:15:58[Saint]Some DAP manufacturers *really* like glue.
23:16:01[Saint]Like, a lot.
23:16:03wodzpamaury: maybe they were ashamed of using rockchip SoC :P
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23:16:23lebelliumfor Samsung it really depends on the device. The YP-Q2 is full of glue, the YP-R0 no
23:16:42[0xAF][Saint]: it would be better if there is confirmation screen from RB, when the usb is plugged ... (at least for the devices where the charger/usb cannot be decided)
23:16:58[Saint]Isn't the battery glued to the LCD in one or both of those, lebellium
23:17:04pamaurywodz: it's a WM8988L
23:17:08pamaurylebellium: not quite
23:17:28[Saint][0xAF]: how do you mean?
23:17:32lebelliumthe Samsung YP-CP3 was designed for the Russian and Chinese market. I harassed the Samsung France Product Manager to get in France too but since it was designed for "developing countries", Samsung thought shitty hardware would be enough for them :)
23:18:18[0xAF][Saint]: when i plug the ipod to charger or computer, RB can ask if i want to mount it, or just charge it (or give 5 seconds timeout to press a key for mount mode)... this way the default will be charging mode
23:18:22wodzlebellium: Still I don't get why Samsung is not using its own SoCs
23:18:36pamauryI still haven't got access to the back of the PCB
23:19:14wodzat least in reference design the back of the PCB is not that interesting
23:19:25[Saint][0xAF]: while I don't necessarily disagree, I think for most users that would be an annoyance.
23:19:31pamauryin this case there is the flash and the SoC
23:19:40[Saint]FOr most users, when they plug via USB, they will want the device to mount.
23:19:41pamauryon the front on the dac
23:20:14lebelliumwodz: some Samsung players use a Samsung SoC such as YP-U3 but most of them don't indeed :)
23:20:16pamauryand some other small chip labelled 0219 CK60 925
23:20:18[0xAF][Saint]: this can be done for devices which do not make difference between charger/computer i guess ... and IMO in most of the cases you will want to charge it, instead of mount it
23:20:41[0xAF][Saint]: besides, it could be an optional :)
23:20:58[Saint][0xAF]: this is why we already have a system in place for selectively disabling enumeration.
23:20:58pamauryI have *not* idea how to remove to plastic cover, it seems impossible
23:21:13[Saint]For your case, you could trivially reverse the logic used.
23:21:33[Saint]You could just make it so you held the button to mount, instead of holding it to not mount.
23:21:38lebelliumpamaury: seek and buy the Service Manual, there is always a dissasembly guide inside :P
23:21:43[Saint]very trivial change.
23:21:53[0xAF][Saint]: good point ;)
23:22:05[0xAF][Saint]: should look into the code ... any pointers where to look for it ?
23:22:26[Saint]probably somewhere in usb.c
23:22:37[0xAF][Saint]: thanks
23:22:56[0xAF][Saint]: btw so far the disk is ok ...
23:23:11[Saint]copper: no issues your end?
23:23:12[0xAF]can i provide any debug information to help you with the usb issue ?
23:23:57[Saint]dmesg after pluging might be mildly interesting.
23:24:16[Saint]When Rockbox does crash, what exactly happens?
23:24:47wodzpamaury: yeah, you need access to SoC or nand to force rkdfu rom mode. And this mode is the simplest and safest to experiment with the hardware :/
23:24:52[Saint]Is there a panic message, or a segfault, or does it just hang?
23:25:46[0xAF][Saint]: looks like bad hdd after all ...
23:25:48[0xAF][84490.007416] FAT-fs (sdd): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
23:25:51[0xAF][84568.173615] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, device number 27
23:25:54[0xAF][84568.230024] sd 27:0:0:0: [sdd] Unhandled error code
23:25:56[0xAF][84568.230029] sd 27:0:0:0: [sdd]
23:25:59[0xAF][84568.230031] Result: hostbyte=0x01 driverbyte=0x00
23:26:01[0xAF][84568.230033] sd 27:0:0:0: [sdd] CDB:
23:26:04[0xAF][84568.230034] cdb[0]=0x2a: 2a 00 00 06 90 fc 00 00 01 00
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23:26:06[0xAF][84568.230040] end_request: I/O error, dev sdd, sector 3442656
23:26:09[0xAF][84568.230043] Buffer I/O error on device sdd, logical block 430332
23:26:11[0xAF][84568.230044] lost page write due to I/O error on sdd
23:26:14[0xAF][84568.230163] FAT-fs (sdd): unable to read inode block for updating (i_pos 2639288)
23:26:15[Saint]someone's gunna get kicked...
23:26:17[0xAF]but it's because the usb is disconnected i guess
23:26:34[0xAF]sorry (will use pastebin in future)
23:26:42[Saint]You are so lucky chanserv didn't kick you for flooding. :)
23:27:01[Saint]Also, hmmm.
23:27:03[0xAF]just got the right amount of lines ;)
23:27:50pamauryhum, I think I see how to unmount it, it's incredibly weird
23:27:57pamaurynot sure it can be done easily
23:28:04[Saint]If there is no data on the device that you care about, I would say just to use emCORE to format the data partition.
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23:29:04[0xAF][Saint]: what good is that for ? I mean emCORE formated it few days ago ... and so far it was unmounted correctly ... so there should be no problems with the FS (until today)
23:30:00[0xAF]actually, what's the internal structure of the HDD ? more than one partition ?
23:31:38[0xAF]so no partitions ?
23:31:51[0xAF]just like how i see it in linux ?
23:32:05[Saint]No. But it will accept partitioning.
23:32:31[Saint]The default setup is just a superfloppy afaik, though.
23:32:43[0xAF]is there a point to have partitions there ?
23:33:04pamaurydammmmmmmn, this thing is insane
23:33:18[Saint]Depends on your use case.
23:33:34pamauryactually the proper way is probably to unsolder the LCD but I won't do that
23:34:34wodzwhat purpose this plastic part services (other then protect you from reaching the PCB)?
23:35:01pamauryafaik, none
23:35:08wodzcut it then
23:35:42pamaurywell actually it holds everything in place
23:35:57pamauryit's stupid design but the way it is designed it looked needed
23:36:16pamauryand it's hard to cut without removing it but you're right it could be cut at the right spots
23:36:29pamaurystill it's hard plastic
23:36:35pamaurynot easy to cut with the PCB below
23:36:51wodzmaybe melt it with solder tip
23:38:15[Saint][0xAF]: for the usb charging logic, /rockbox/firmware/usb.c line 132, btw.
23:39:17[0xAF][Saint]: yeah, already found it, thanks ;)
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23:42:55[0xAF][Saint]: one more change which could be the problem ... i've rebooted my laptop today... and the new kernel booted (was 3.12.6, now it is 3.12.7) ... though it's very unlikely, there could be some change in the usb stack
23:45:15[0xAF]nothing interesting in 3.12.7 changelog
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23:49:56kugelyay, I ebay'd an ypr1
23:50:57[Saint]buying or selling?
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23:51:03[Saint]I assume the former.
23:53:07kugelwhy should I sell daps :)
23:53:13[0xAF][Saint]: is there a way to save some usb debug info on the hdd ? (i presume you already tried that)
23:54:18[Saint]I'm mostly unsure of the USB subsystem.
23:54:58[Saint]I _think_ we have some form of log-to-disk feature...maybe?
23:56:35[Saint]That was pulled in a while ago.
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23:57:27[0xAF]looks interesting ... will try ...
23:58:03[Saint]rebuild with #define ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGDISKF in /rockbox/firmware/export/config/ipod6g.h

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