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00:02:16 | kugel | [Saint]: most code hasnt been adapted yet |
00:02:24 | [Saint] | awwww. |
00:02:34 | [Saint] | Humpf. |
00:04:29 | [0xAF] | just finished dumping the disk ... seems ok |
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00:08:21 | [0xAF] | hmm binary did not change it's size after enabling this debug |
00:12:21 | [0xAF] | one thing i notice... RB shuts down the HDD quite often (small timeout, it's set to 5secs)... so there is a delay when browsing folders or opening files .... because it needs to power-up the HDD (i can hear it) |
00:12:37 | [0xAF] | the fallback image is not doing it this way ... probably the timeout for the HDD is larger |
00:12:53 | [0xAF] | another stupid thing is that it does not crash now ... |
00:12:59 | [Saint] | It shouldn't be. |
00:13:16 | [Saint] | Also, it shouldn;t need to spin up for directory browsing at all. |
00:13:26 | [Saint] | dircache should be enabled by default |
00:13:40 | [Saint] | So the directory structure shoudl all be cached in RAM. |
00:14:02 | [0xAF] | i saw few dirs that took ~1 sec to enter ... |
00:14:13 | [0xAF] | but I could be wrong |
00:14:26 | [Saint] | Is there a ridiculous amount of files in them? |
00:14:39 | [Saint] | (subdirectories don't matter) |
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00:15:30 | [0xAF] | dircache is not working ... i browse folders with 10-15 files/subfolders ... and i can hear the disk spin-up |
00:15:35 | [0xAF] | takes 1 sec to enter the dir |
00:15:43 | [Saint] | It might need to spin up if the amount of files in a single directory (not including its subdirectories) is greater than the limit specified. |
00:16:05 | [0xAF] | havent touched the limits |
00:16:06 | [Saint] | But I think the default is rather high. |
00:16:27 | [Saint] | So unless you literally have thousands of files in a single directory, I doubt this would be the issue. |
00:16:33 | [0xAF] | spin-up the disk for a folder with 1 file and 3 subfolders |
00:16:53 | [Saint] | Hmmmm. |
00:17:23 | [0xAF] | hold on to disconnect and check the settings ... or reaply them ?!? |
00:17:41 | [Saint] | I haven't used a HDD based target in ages (well, I use targets that are intended to be HDD based, but they are all SSD or CF converted). |
00:17:58 | [0xAF] | strange it didnt crashed now ... |
00:18:07 | [Saint] | So I'm not 100% sure I'm remembering how dircache should behave correctly. |
00:18:16 | [0xAF] | interesting ... can i put SSD or CF in the iPod ? |
00:18:41 | [0xAF] | isn't dircache for RB itself, not for external mounting ? |
00:19:09 | [0xAF] | hmm after disconnecting the device, i cant move in the menu again |
00:19:16 | [Saint] | Ohhhhh - derp. YEs. Sorry. I thought you were referring to browsing on the device, using Rockbox. |
00:19:40 | [0xAF] | now i can, sorry... should have been the touch-dial (or whatever it's called) |
00:21:02 | [Saint] | The iPods have a bug where sometimes you can't move around in the menus or use the select key until after scrolling on the wheel. |
00:21:17 | [0xAF] | i think the DEBUG flag that i set is not working ... the binary was the same size and i see no debug file around ... |
00:21:46 | [0xAF] | [Saint]: yeah... i think i noticed that bug few times |
00:22:08 | [Saint] | It is possible that merely enabling log-to-disk is only a small piece of the puzzle. |
00:22:14 | [Saint] | It is entirely foreign to me. |
00:22:28 | [0xAF] | ok, i will try to reprodice the problem first |
00:22:34 | [0xAF] | dunno why it's working now ... |
00:22:43 | [Saint] | It may be that logging needs to be enabled in the various subsystems as well. |
00:23:28 | [0xAF] | i will try to get the default behaviour of the usb mouting back ... since i've inverted the detection of the button |
00:27:03 | [0xAF] | hmm no problems again |
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00:31:24 | [0xAF] | [Saint]: thanks for the support and the hints, i'm gonna get some sleep now. |
00:31:31 | [Saint] | o/ |
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06:38:32 | PurlingNayuki | kugel:USB in 5430275 is acutally wrose then before. |
06:39:23 | PurlingNayuki | Sometimes it shows only empty drive letter, and for more time Windows 8 doesn't regonize the device correctly. |
06:41:09 | PurlingNayuki | Several commits before it can work sometimes, and more likely to work properly if plugged 10 secs after booting. |
06:42:05 | PurlingNayuki | Anyway the latest commit gets Android target builds. |
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06:43:41 | PurlingNayuki | And works properly. |
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09:38:15 | wodz | pamaury: how yp-cp3 dismantle ended? |
09:38:37 | pamaury | wodz: I stopped, maybe I'll try again tonight |
09:39:05 | kugel | aha |
09:39:17 | kugel | on hwcodec the voice files might be so large that they don't fit the RAM |
09:39:36 | * | kugel found why his Player behaves differently from the sim |
09:40:32 | wodz | pamaury: you need only access to a few data lines of nand (or the same signals on soc side) |
09:40:46 | kugel | good thing is that my talk rework makes this easy to deal with |
09:41:21 | pamaury | wodz: I know but currently I cannot access anything |
09:42:11 | wodz | pamaury: hmm, I didn't check if the firmware supports magic scsi commands. That would be a lot easier |
09:42:25 | pamaury | indeed |
09:42:29 | pamaury | I'll check |
09:42:48 | pamaury | it would be nice to know what is inside this device though |
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09:43:56 | wodz | Well there is only one thing on i2c I don't have a clue about. Codec and lcd controller are known |
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10:20:38 | b0hoon | bluebrother, gevaerts: Hi, maybe something like this would be helpful -> http://filebin.ca/1AG4UzF6dBlc/Ipod6g.svg |
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10:22:06 | gevaerts | Looks decent! |
10:22:48 | * | gevaerts reminds people that svgs live in manual/rockbox_interface/images :) |
10:23:51 | wodz | gevaerts: I know I was supposed to remind you but did you test iriver h100? |
10:23:58 | b0hoon | gevaerts: It's a remake of the ipod video, you can use it if you like it. |
10:24:06 | gevaerts | wodz: oops, sorry... |
10:24:19 | * | gevaerts will try to remember tonight |
10:26:02 | b0hoon | or i will add it to the trunk, but later... |
10:27:01 | b0hoon | now i must go back to thw work |
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10:54:34 | pixelma | kugel: hwcodec has had some mechanism to deal with voice files in chunks for a long time, IIRC |
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11:02:48 | kugel | pixelma: what are you refering to? |
11:05:44 | pixelma | "on hwcodec the voice files might be so large that they don't fit the RAM [..] good thing is that my talk rework makes this easy to deal with" |
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11:27:17 | kugel | pixelma: and how is that related? |
11:28:18 | kugel | on hwcodec the file is still loaded as a whole (except on ondio). there is no mechanism for when the voice doesnt fit |
11:33:24 | pixelma | well, I knew Ondios can deal with too large voice files already and thought the others could do too |
11:33:50 | pixelma | too large to fit in RAM |
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16:38:12 | gevaerts | Zagor: can you pull the webserver? |
16:38:44 | gevaerts | Hmmm, or is that automatic these days? |
16:39:11 | Zagor | pulling is automatic, deploying is not |
16:39:25 | gevaerts | Right |
16:39:26 | Zagor | i.e. "make" |
16:39:31 | Zagor | I just did that now |
16:39:47 | gevaerts | I needed a playerpics update, so that's automatic enough :) |
16:40:01 | Zagor | ah |
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20:13:28 | bluebrother | gevaerts: now the forums tell me that [url] is not allowed in my signature. Is this intentional? |
20:13:46 | gevaerts | I don't know |
20:14:46 | gevaerts | Now if only smf settings were easy to find :) |
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20:15:47 | gevaerts | OK, urls are indeed not enabled |
20:16:16 | gevaerts | bluebrother: I could enable urls now, wait for you to change your signature, and change it back, I think |
20:16:18 | cstcyr | So it does not seem possible to install Rb on a iPod on OS X 10.9? From what I've read on the web I need to do it on a PC? |
20:16:40 | gevaerts | bluebrother: actually, no. I don't want to risk spam links in that time... |
20:16:42 | bluebrother | cstcyr: Rockbox Utility also runs on OS X |
20:17:00 | bluebrother | gevaerts: ok, then I guess I'll just leave my signature as-is right now. |
20:17:14 | cstcyr | More specifically installing the bootloader is impossible. I've used the Rockbox utility and ipodpatcher and both fail because they do not have permission |
20:17:17 | gevaerts | bluebrother: I could try changing it for you |
20:17:36 | pamaury | ildarion: here |
20:17:42 | bluebrother | cstcyr: do you have Itunes running? |
20:17:55 | ildarion | pamaury: ok |
20:18:08 | bluebrother | you need to shut it down completely (the icon must not "glow"), and you might need to first enable disk access to the ipod in itunes |
20:19:47 | pamaury | ildarion: download this https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxcl9hwa4kkiu7s/sbtool.exe |
20:20:33 | cstcyr | damn I can't seem to apply disk use without syncing |
20:20:48 | ildarion | ok |
20:20:49 | pamaury | ildarion: and you need a copy of the OF, uncompressed (should be called firmware.sb) |
20:21:20 | cstcyr | bluebrother: oh well I guess I'll erase and sync |
20:22:02 | ildarion | ok |
20:22:40 | pamaury | ildarion: ah wait, wrong link sorry ^^ |
20:23:19 | pamaury | https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ls80q3zcxgiwam/sb_loader.exe |
20:25:09 | pamaury | once you have both, plug your device in recovery mode (hold volume up when plugging from power off state, and keep holding volume up for a few seconds) |
20:25:42 | bluebrother | cstcyr: I've installed Rockbox using OS X on an Ipod a couple of times, but I'm still using 10.6. Haven't found the time to install 10.9 yet |
20:26:08 | bluebrother | so there might be a problem on 10.9 I'm not aware yet. Maybe some gatekeeper thing |
20:27:06 | cstcyr | So I'm an RB newb, does RB have access to all the music I synced with iTunes? |
20:27:08 | ildarion | ok |
20:28:12 | pamaury | ildarion: then open a command prompt (run cmd.exe iirc) and run "sb_loader -f firmware.sb" in which you replace "firmware.sb" by the full path to the OF and "sb_loader" by the full path to the tool you downloaded |
20:29:17 | bluebrother | cstcyr: Itunes puts your files into a special folder (iPod_Control) and scrambles filenames. Rockbox can access this, but browsing them with the file browser is a bit problematic :) |
20:29:38 | bluebrother | you can either use the database (which assumes your files to be tagged correctly) or rename / resync them |
20:30:03 | bluebrother | though the latter is something you need to do manually (or use some tool that can perform this for you, of course) |
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20:32:47 | cstcyr | bluebrother: ok I've enabled disk use, iTunes is closed, neither Rb utility or ipodpatcher can install the bootloader. |
20:33:04 | cstcyr | Rb utility can install everything but the boot loader |
20:33:49 | cstcyr | and I'm running ipodpatcher as root |
20:33:50 | bluebrother | can you post its system trace (Help / Troubleshooting / System Trace) somewhere? Like pastebin.com? |
20:34:05 | bluebrother | after a failed attempt of course :) |
20:34:27 | bluebrother | sounds like I have to install 10.9 sometime soon :o |
20:35:04 | cstcyr | http://pastebin.com/LwFT0xvP |
20:36:47 | cstcyr | This is more clearly after a failed attempt of the bootloader |
20:36:47 | cstcyr | http://pastebin.com/DeZAPCYG |
20:37:14 | ildarion | pamaury: before "sb_loader -f firmware.sb" i need to put a command ? |
20:37:29 | bluebrother | thanks. |
20:37:32 | pamaury | ildarion: did you open a command prompt ? |
20:37:48 | bluebrother | ok, nothing the log reveals. Too bad. |
20:38:02 | ildarion | cmd.exe yes |
20:38:07 | bluebrother | I guess I have to install 10.9 and debug it. |
20:38:08 | cstcyr | I can always do it when I get home on the PC |
20:38:14 | cstcyr | Thanks for your help man |
20:38:21 | bluebrother | btw, have you tried installing without running it as root? |
20:38:32 | bluebrother | at least on 10.6 this isn't necessary. |
20:38:42 | cstcyr | I've run Rb as both user and root |
20:38:45 | bluebrother | ok |
20:38:50 | cstcyr | I've only run ipodpatcher as root |
20:39:03 | bluebrother | so I guess Apple changed something to block applications from this kind of accesses. |
20:39:24 | bluebrother | which is a bit annoying. Though also kinda understandable. |
20:39:59 | cstcyr | yeah changing the bootloader of a USB connected device is pretty hardcore stuff for software to be doing on your system |
20:40:12 | pamaury | ildarion: the simplest way is to first use the "cd" command to move to the directory where you downloaded sb_loader, put firmware.sb in the same directory and then run the command I wrote without any modification |
20:40:18 | bluebrother | so as of now I can only tell you to either try to find a machine with 10.6 or use a Windows box. |
20:40:45 | pamaury | For example, "cd Downloads" and then "sb_loader -f firmware.sb" but of course you might have to "cd" to a different directory |
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20:43:55 | rasec301985 | hi guys. I need a little help. i got windows 8, and when i reboot my ipod classic 6g and copy the ubi file in the 64mb disc (ipod) it doesn't show the menu to install rock box. please help! |
20:45:53 | ildarion | pamaury: so, if i write this in cmd: D:\sb_loader.exe -f D:\firmware.sb isn't good ? |
20:46:46 | pamaury | only if you put sb_loader.exe are the root of the D: driver and similarly for firmware.sb |
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20:46:50 | pamaury | *at the root |
20:48:14 | rasec301985 | pamaury, can you help me with my problem? |
20:48:53 | pamaury | rasec301985: sorry, I know nothing about the ipods, other people in this channel might like [Saint] ? |
20:50:01 | rasec301985 | can anybody help me please? :( |
20:50:24 | copper | did you "safely eject" the 64 MB storage device? |
20:51:22 | pamaury | ildarion: did you manage to run the command ? |
20:51:23 | copper | rasec301985: ^ |
20:51:33 | ildarion | pamaury: yes |
20:52:22 | pamaury | ildarion: what did it do ? if it worked correctly, you fuze+ should be in OF USB mode |
20:52:27 | rasec301985 | hi copper, can you help me? yes i did... but nothing appears |
20:52:45 | ildarion | sansa should install update right ? |
20:53:24 | ildarion | seem to don't trigger |
20:53:28 | pamaury | if it didn't display an upgrade screen, no it didn't install anything yet. |
20:53:37 | pamaury | so you confirm you have the OF running now ? |
20:53:47 | ildarion | I will try the run again |
20:54:03 | copper | rasec301985: what's showing on your iPod's display right now? |
20:55:22 | rasec301985 | copper: it shows me "please copy a UBI file to the mass storage device and safely eject it when you're done. if you booted this accidentally, just press and hold menu+select to reboot |
20:55:48 | rasec301985 | copper: and i already copy the ubi file... |
20:57:23 | pamaury | ildarion: your goal is to have the OF running when USB is plugged, you probably won't manage to trigger an update just this way, we need to do more stuff afterwards |
20:57:47 | copper | rasec301985: well, did you disconnect the USB cable? |
20:58:03 | rasec301985 | copper: yes |
20:58:14 | ildarion | the trigger issue is random ? |
20:58:29 | rasec301985 | copper: and still the screen shows me that message |
20:58:50 | copper | rasec301985: then press and hold menu+select to reboot, and try again, I guess |
20:59:18 | copper | also, that's a FreeMyIpod problem, not a Rockbox problem |
20:59:31 | copper | emCORE* |
20:59:53 | copper | http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Contact |
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21:00:09 | pamaury | ildarion: updated is triggered when *not* booting over USB |
21:00:12 | rasec301985 | copper: ok. let me try again. please don't leave |
21:00:41 | pamaury | ildarion: but since your OF since to not be working (that's what you told me yesterday), we need to proceed differently |
21:01:05 | ildarion | the OF work, i can start on him |
21:01:29 | pamaury | hum, so what is the problem then ? |
21:02:21 | ildarion | when the device is plugged, it is "unknow" by windows |
21:02:46 | ildarion | when i'm lucky |
21:02:55 | ildarion | or just nothing happend |
21:03:11 | ildarion | so i can't install/update |
21:03:19 | ildarion | with rockbox utility |
21:04:25 | [Saint] | Somebody rang? |
21:06:53 | pamaury | ildarion: what does something happen after you run the sb_loader command ? |
21:06:58 | pamaury | does it print something ? |
21:06:58 | rasec301985 | copper: still the same... |
21:07:37 | rasec301985 | hi [Saint] can you help me with my problem? |
21:07:43 | [Saint] | rasec301985: Don;t use Windows 8. |
21:07:53 | [Saint] | Thjere's a reason why the instructions don;t mention it at all. |
21:08:06 | [Saint] | In fact, you'd be best to avoid Windows completely. |
21:08:17 | rasec301985 | [Saint]: ok, why? is uncompatible? |
21:08:34 | [Saint] | We don't know why. |
21:08:52 | [Saint] | In theory, it should be perfectly fine, but theory and reality often don;t meet in the middle. |
21:09:13 | rasec301985 | [Saint] jejeje right |
21:09:24 | [Saint] | I very strongly advise the use of a linux based system. |
21:09:28 | ildarion | wait pamaury, under an other PC on win XP, the device is detected and work like it should (the screen of sansa display if like normal) So i will try to update with rockboxutility on XP |
21:09:39 | [Saint] | Preferably something debian-esque. |
21:09:59 | copper | I didn't know about Windows 8 problems with emCORE |
21:10:17 | rasec301985 | [Saint] ok. thanks for the help. and thank you too copper |
21:10:40 | [Saint] | Windows installation is a massive bunch of failure just waiting to happen. |
21:10:54 | [Saint] | Windows 8 just seems to add a little bit more insanity to the mix. |
21:11:21 | [Saint] | Also, it manages to piss off USB3, too. |
21:11:32 | [Saint] | ...which in theory shouldn;t happen either. |
21:12:17 | [Saint] | So, yeah: 1 - Don't use Windows 8, preferably don't use Windows at all. 2 - Don't use USB3 |
21:16:56 | ildarion | pamaury: the actual build of the fuze + is stable ? |
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21:17:34 | [Saint] | officially, no. |
21:17:39 | [Saint] | in practice, yes. |
21:18:24 | [Saint] | "Unstable ports |
21:18:24 | [Saint] | Rockbox runs on these players, but is incomplete, less usable or has problems that limit it to advanced users: |
21:18:33 | [Saint] | - SanDisk: Sansa Fuze+" |
21:19:46 | pamaury | in practice it is quite stable, at least for most people it seems |
21:19:52 | [Saint] | It is certainly far enough along that it is perfectly usable as an everyday DAP. But we couldn't promise that you wouldn't see any issues. |
21:19:56 | pamaury | most crash sources are the theme engine unfortunately |
21:20:10 | * | [Saint] nods |
21:20:34 | [Saint] | FWIW, we couldn;t promise you wouldn;t see any issues even if the port classification /was/ "stable". |
21:20:37 | ildarion | i still don't understand my issue, now my rockbox install is fresh and same issue |
21:20:53 | ildarion | if i plugg my sansa on my w7, device unknow |
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21:21:01 | ildarion | my other device work |
21:21:47 | * | [Saint] is tempted to blame this on the host |
21:22:05 | [Saint] | This really points to an issue with your host system. |
21:22:19 | ildarion | if i plug my sansa OFF on windows 7 = screen stay black and i will ne to reset him while holding power button |
21:22:42 | ildarion | but before the update of the bootloader, no issue |
21:24:00 | toehser | Did you try viewing it from the disk-management screen, rather than the file-explorer mounted volumes view? |
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21:27:02 | ildarion | i don't see him in disk-management screen |
21:27:33 | ildarion | If I plug sansa under rockbox ON with volume down, i get this error : http://titanpad.com/3D0XHuPWhn |
21:28:10 | copper | ildarion: I didn't follow your case, but just in case: if you have installed version 2 of the bootloader, have you tried turning the Fuze+ off, and then plugging it via USB, without first turning it on? |
21:28:12 | pamaury | ildarion: try to uninstall the device under your host (use the device manager) |
21:28:59 | toehser | I mean, in Windo$e |
21:29:45 | [Saint] | Please don;t use unnecessarily confusing (and plain silly) naming schemes. |
21:30:07 | [Saint] | Remember that people may be using machine translation, and/or not have English is their native language. |
21:30:10 | pamaury | ildarion: plugging USB with Rockbox and volume down won't do anything particular, if you want to boot OF you need to plug with volume down from power off state |
21:31:08 | pamaury | however the crash is not normal |
21:32:38 | toehser | When the sansa is off, and you hold the button, and plug it into Windows, it isn't popping up a folder, but Windows also has settings screens where you can view raw disks and devices, that is where I would look, in Windows, both where it enumerates the USB devices found, and where it shows the detected block devices. |
21:33:41 | ildarion | just test on windows Xp and works like intended |
21:34:11 | [Saint] | That furthers my "your host is the problem" theory. |
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21:34:43 | pamaury | ildarion: you should try to uninstall the device under your windows 7 host, in the device manager |
21:34:47 | toehser | So it is really just a "Figure out how Windows 7 / 8 work, maybe change a setting, maybe write a nice letter to Microsoft (Micro$oft)". |
21:35:10 | pamaury | plug the device, go into device manager, find it, right click, uninstall |
21:35:32 | pamaury | if you forget everything it knows about this device and probe it again |
21:35:44 | ildarion | did nothing pamaury |
21:36:44 | ildarion | this issue is: When i plug on windows 7, the screen of sansa stay black, and after, i need to holding power button for reset him. This doesn't happend on windows XP |
21:37:10 | pamaury | ildarion: have you tried this: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc725782.aspx |
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21:45:12 | TehCactus | Does anyone have any clearer instructions on how to install Rockbox on the Zen Mozaic? |
21:49:16 | [Saint] | I don;t think that is anywhere enar ready for end userts. |
21:49:25 | [Saint] | ...hence the lack of documentation. |
21:49:34 | [Saint] | *near |
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21:50:14 | [Saint] | If you do want to install it, you're going to need to build it yourself, also. |
21:50:22 | [Saint] | Meh. |
21:50:26 | [Saint] | Easy fix. |
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21:53:22 | ildarion | pamaury, didn't fix anything..... I don't understand why i get thei issue with bootloader v2 and not before with v1 |
21:58:15 | pamaury | ildarion: I stil don't understand how it's possible that you can't boot into neither OF and RB on the windows 7 host, it's seem plain impossible to me |
21:59:48 | [Saint] | By my understanding of the device, I think it actually is "impossible", yeah. |
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22:00:11 | * | [Saint] scratches his head and gives a puzzled and slightly bemused expression |
22:01:01 | pamaury | yeah because the part which selects between OF and USB runs *before* the host connection is made |
22:01:09 | ildarion | seem to don't work on my linux laptop too |
22:01:19 | ildarion | but is different |
22:01:35 | ildarion | the screen of sansa don't stay black |
22:01:41 | pamaury | ah, what happen ? |
22:01:50 | toehser | What does "dmesg" say during that time? |
22:02:03 | [Saint] | At this point I'm willing to bet that the device, the host, or possibly even both, are electrically defective in some way. |
22:02:33 | [Saint] | The behavior doesn't align with expectation at all. |
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22:04:11 | pamaury | yeah, there is something fishy |
22:05:29 | ildarion | pamaury: the device seem to net be detected too. The screen of sansa just dispaly: boot version V2 / Boot arg / boot addr / power up source 20 / usb connecting / bootloader usb mode |
22:12:06 | ildarion | my dmesg http://pastebin.com/b70rtpbd |
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22:23:05 | toehser | I think it cut off the part we care about - we only want the dmesg stuff generated when it detects the device... |
22:24:09 | toehser | The dmesg you posted ends when it is initializing your printer. |
22:26:04 | ildarion | What is the problem with it ? |
22:26:46 | toehser | Does the dmesg you see on your screen end with the same lines that the pastebin post ends with? Or did it get truncated? |
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22:28:03 | toehser | Ah - device not accepting address 3, error -71 |
22:28:04 | gevaerts | Did you plug in before booting the PC? |
22:28:14 | toehser | I've seen that stuff before, trying to remember. |
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22:29:08 | toehser | Are you using a USB hub? Or just the Sansa into the computer? |
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22:31:09 | ildarion | I was plug the device after booting the PC, but now you say i'm not 100% sur. No i don't use an USB Hub |
22:32:26 | toehser | You may have a hardware issue. When I google the errors you're seeing, I see things like : If Linux suddenly happen to fail to recognize a USB drive, check dmesg for errors. Once you see a bunch of errors likeusb 1-5: device descriptor read/64, error -32 usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 21 usb 1-5: device not accepting address 21, error -32 most probably it’s a result of hardware failure rather than a driver or kerne |
22:32:29 | ildarion | Plug after or before same issue |
22:33:14 | ildarion | OK |
22:33:20 | gevaerts | -71 is a timeout I believe |
22:33:23 | gevaerts | Not sure though |
22:33:40 | ildarion | But if this is an HW issie Why it's work fine on windows XP ? :p |
22:35:26 | ildarion | the entire problem is that: Work on windows XP, don't work on win7 and linux |
22:35:26 | toehser | Looks like it is disconnecting/reconnecting over and over... if it is software, it is down in the USB driver stuff. |
22:36:08 | ildarion | and before I update withe bootloader V2, is work fine on win 7 |
22:36:20 | ildarion | So, for me it's software |
22:36:22 | toehser | The simple answer is to put a logic probe on the cable, connect in XP, connect in Linux, and compare... Not much help I know. |
22:36:31 | gevaerts | Bah, no! |
22:36:39 | gevaerts | A USB analyser :) |
22:37:16 | toehser | Same difference - the logic probe has a USB analyzer in software, after you capture it... |
22:37:17 | ildarion | but if it was a full rockbox issue, other users should have this no ? |
22:37:31 | gevaerts | Not necessarily |
22:37:40 | gevaerts | Some of these issues can be quite subtle |
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22:38:44 | ildarion | on the forums, i see post of other users there are issue with usb charging |
22:39:28 | ildarion | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,26284.msg226131.html#msg226131 |
22:40:20 | ildarion | but him issue seem to be softer |
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22:41:52 | ildarion | Ok, so too much sansa for today, i will use my win XP for now and let the time resolve the issue by himself |
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22:47:10 | * | [Saint] purchased a Snowball |
22:47:24 | [Saint] | It should make for an interesting RaaA target. |
22:47:37 | [Saint] | "SKY form-factor (85 x 85 mm), ST-Ericsson Nova A9500 @ 1GHz, 1GB DDR-SDRAM, 4GB e-MMC, 1x Micro-SD, 1x Ethernet 10/100, 1x USB OTG HS, 1x Serial Port over USB Device FS, 1x HDMI Full HD, 1x Video Composite, 1x Audio In/Out, 1x WiFi, 1x BlueTooth, 1x GPS, 1x 3 axis accelerometer / magnetometer / Gyrometer, 1x pressure sensor, 1x Li-Ion battery charger, 1x JTAG, 1x MiPi34." |
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22:48:24 | bluebrother^ | a snowball? Throw it at someone! |
22:48:38 | [Saint] | bluebrother^: http://www.calao-store.com/epages/61428605.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61428605/Products/905-00024-B11 |
22:48:55 | [Saint] | Its actually really nice for €35 |
22:49:34 | [Saint] | I plan to mate it with a large-ish LiPo and a 7" touchscreen. |
22:49:56 | [Saint] | Chuck it all in a box and call it Lyre :p |
22:50:31 | [Saint] | It can run Android, Tizen, Sailfish OS, Ubuntu... |
22:50:41 | [Saint] | I can't wait to get my wee paws on it. |
22:51:34 | bluebrother^ | ah, resurrecting Lyre :) |
22:52:48 | * | [Saint] now goes looking for a very large LiPo |
22:53:42 | [Saint] | Well, hopefully/preferably, large capacity - small form factor. |
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23:08:25 | pamaury | ildarion: to me the fact you can't boot into the OF by holding volume down is a sign that something wrong is going and not about USB, probably hardware |
23:08:55 | ildarion | I can boot on OF |
23:09:09 | ildarion | everything work (for now) |
23:09:27 | ildarion | but not the USB on windows 7 and linux |
23:09:52 | pamaury | I mean, can you boot to the OF in USB mode on win7 or Linux by holding volume down ? |
23:10:34 | ildarion | you mean i boot on the OF, holding volum down and plug ? |
23:11:17 | pamaury | yeah or power off, hold volume down and plug USB and keep holding; that's the standard procedure to enter OF USB mode |
23:11:44 | pamaury | if this doesn't work, it means the issue probably has nothing to do with USB |
23:12:45 | ildarion | yes |
23:13:15 | ildarion | but if the work on win XP, what does mean ? |
23:14:08 | pamaury | what do you mean "yes", yes it works even under win7 and Linux ? |
23:15:10 | ildarion | no, nothing happend, afeter i unplugg, rockbox start |
23:16:44 | pamaury | maybe a power problem. If the screen stays black it means the device doesn't go very far in the boot process |
23:16:53 | pamaury | is the battery low ? |
23:17:32 | ildarion | a litle |
23:18:30 | pamaury | I have no explaination, it's bizarre |
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23:21:32 | ildarion_ | I think it's maybe the boot process in USB mode, but wierd that work on win XP only |
23:21:42 | ildarion_ | why win xp ? |
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23:22:37 | ildarion_ | I will continue to use sansa, and do the update |
23:22:50 | ildarion_ | maybe someday it will be solved by himself |
23:23:06 | pamaury | yeah try to reinstall the bootloader |
23:23:22 | pamaury | I have little hope though but it's worth a try I guess |
23:23:32 | ildarion_ | try also on the USB of my car |
23:23:39 | ildarion_ | I will* |
23:24:19 | ildarion_ | Yeah but i was already reinstall the bootloader |
23:24:34 | ildarion_ | few houres ago |
23:25:20 | ildarion_ | my issue if few days OLD when i was reinstall ALL and succes to trigger the OF on bootloader V2 |
23:26:11 | ildarion_ | I will try to completly unstall rockbox, back on a old sansa OF |
23:26:35 | ildarion_ | test if the bug still here |
23:26:37 | pamaury | also try with a different USB cable if you have once |
23:27:03 | ildarion_ | i don't have another |
23:27:22 | ildarion_ | but is not the cable if it's work on win XP ? |
23:27:54 | ildarion_ | it will be the cable if they don't work on anything |
23:28:55 | pamaury | depends, could be electrical and my understanding is that you have different computers |
23:28:56 | ildarion_ | first, try to diagnostic if this is software and if this is rockbox |
23:29:08 | ildarion_ | ok |
23:29:31 | ildarion_ | tomorow i will try on the audio car |
23:29:52 | pamaury | as I said, it can't really be rockbox because if you boot to OF and it doesn't work, rockbox is not involved |
23:30:38 | ildarion_ | when i say rockbox, i meen bootloader v2 |
23:31:12 | ildarion_ | it's possible to get and older version of the bootloader ? |
23:34:04 | ildarion_ | nevermind, i will consider test an older bootloader later. |
23:34:28 | pamaury | yeah but the older bootloader is very bad so I would not recommend it except if you have a convincing explaination |
23:34:59 | ildarion_ | thax for your help, i will return with feedsback |
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23:44:59 | toehser | My bet is that there is some USB problem that XP is (improperly) forgiving. An XP bug, that should be fixed, to make it fail there, too. FORTUNATELY, they've End-of-Life-ed XP, so they won't fix it... |
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