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| 00:04:38 | saratoga | kugel: 13.10 64 bit |
| 00:04:56 | kugel_ | saratoga: ok. did it instsall the gcc packages? |
| 00:05:33 | saratoga | it seems like its going to |
| 00:07:39 | saratoga | kugel: http://pastebin.com/TDifdizx |
| 00:07:46 | saratoga | the 64 bit version builds fine |
| 00:08:54 | kugel_ | is this latest git? |
| 00:09:06 | kugel_ | I recently compiled 32bit warble on a 64bit host fine |
| 00:11:18 | saratoga | kugel: yes this is current git, maybe i needed to change something else in the makefile? |
| 00:11:30 | kugel_ | nope |
| 00:11:49 | kugel_ | i just tried again, no such errors |
| 00:12:50 | saratoga | oh i still don't have a lib32 or /usr/lib/i386-linx-gnu folder |
| 00:13:02 | kugel_ | saratoga: which warble do you use? |
| 00:13:19 | kugel_ | I do sdlapp warble, which doenst define HAVE_RECORDING |
| 00:13:23 | saratoga | i tried Fuze |
| 00:14:08 | kugel_ | use sdlapp warble, that definitely works |
| 00:14:13 | saratoga | i'll try that |
| 00:15:17 | kugel_ | saratoga: the sdl package is called libsdl1.2debian, btw. so you need sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian:i386 |
| 00:15:48 | kugel_ | the package contents show the i386-linux-gnu folder so you should have it by then (http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/i386/libsdl1.2debian/filelist) |
| 00:19:40 | saratoga | kugel: now it errors out on "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSDL" |
| 00:20:02 | kugel_ | right, run the above and try again |
| 00:20:27 | saratoga | you mean libsd1? |
| 00:20:30 | saratoga | i just installed that |
| 00:20:52 | kugel_ | libsdl1.2debian:i386 |
| 00:21:08 | saratoga | libsdl1.2debian:i386 is already the newest version. |
| 00:21:30 | kugel_ | what does "file /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0" say? |
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| 00:23:16 | saratoga | "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0: symbolic link to `libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4'" |
| 00:24:42 | kugel_ | fine |
| 00:25:06 | kugel_ | oh, does the Makefile now have -L/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ in the LDOPTS line? |
| 00:25:23 | kugel_ | before all other options? |
| 00:25:39 | saratoga | not before, i just put it in place of the 64 bit one |
| 00:25:41 | saratoga | i can move it though |
| 00:26:48 | saratoga | doesn't seem to change anything |
| 00:26:57 | kugel_ | paste the Makefile please |
| 00:28:00 | saratoga | http://pastebin.com/NcwiCx5b |
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| 00:31:35 | kugel_ | hm, try putting -m32 before the -L/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ in the LDOPTS line |
| 00:31:55 | kugel_ | (I think it shouldnt have any effect but that's what I have and it works) |
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| 00:33:51 | saratoga | no difference |
| 00:34:11 | kugel_ | libSDL is clearly in that folder, i don't know whats wrong |
| 00:34:23 | kugel_ | perhaps try deleting the warbl32 dir and doing it again? |
| 00:34:25 | saratoga | why do i need libsdl to build a command line app? |
| 00:34:45 | kugel_ | warble uses sdl for sound output iirc |
| 00:35:40 | saratoga | the default makefile seems strange |
| 00:35:53 | saratoga | the arguments are duplicated to LDOPTS |
| 00:35:59 | saratoga | so it does -lm twice |
| 00:36:44 | kugel_ | that's not a problem, interestingly the Makefile you pasted doesnt have this |
| 00:37:00 | saratoga | yeah i deleted it to make sure it wasn't overriding the changes i made |
| 00:37:09 | kugel_ | ah, ok |
| 00:37:59 | kugel_ | I think it's because we add -lm, and sdl-config (run by configure) −−libs adds it another time |
| 00:38:45 | saratoga | yeah still doing it |
| 00:40:10 | saratoga | wait i don't have a /usr/lib/i386-linx-gnu folder |
| 00:42:00 | saratoga | oh shit |
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| 00:42:50 | saratoga | "<kugel_> if /usr/lib32 doesnt exist, try if /usr/lib/i386-linx-gnu does" <- I should really have proof read that :( |
| 00:42:54 | saratoga | instead of just copy and paste |
| 00:43:24 | kugel_ | ah |
| 00:43:32 | kugel_ | ffs, I also didnt see it in your paste |
| 00:43:50 | kugel_ | sorry :\ |
| 00:44:21 | saratoga | god damn it, no difference |
| 00:44:56 | kugel_ | paste the output of "make V=1" please |
| 00:45:32 | saratoga | do you want a make clean first? |
| 00:45:45 | saratoga | http://pastebin.com/tu0Qe4kZ |
| 00:46:49 | kugel_ | grml |
| 00:47:07 | kugel_ | that makes no sense |
| 00:48:39 | kugel_ | saratoga: can you run sudo ldconfig and make again? |
| 00:50:38 | kugel_ | if not, try adding "-l/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0" to the Makefile's LDOPTS line (behind -m32), that should link the library directly |
| 00:51:02 | kugel_ | if the last one doesnt work I can really make no sense of it |
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| 00:53:10 | saratoga | "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -l/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0" |
| 00:53:20 | saratoga | "ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0" |
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| 00:53:30 | saratoga | "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0" |
| 00:53:34 | saratoga | ughhhh |
| 00:55:30 | kugel_ | saratoga: and if you use "-l/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2" instead of "-l/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0"? |
| 00:57:36 | saratoga | "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -l/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2" |
| 00:57:46 | saratoga | although that file does not exist either |
| 00:58:00 | kugel_ | and just /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0 (without -l in front, but with .so.0) |
| 00:58:03 | kugel_ | ? |
| 00:59:08 | saratoga | same |
| 00:59:13 | saratoga | V=1 |
| 00:59:41 | saratoga_ | http://pastebin.com/X41TAiji |
| 00:59:54 | kugel_ | oh remove -lSDL occurences |
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| 01:00:15 | kugel_ | sorry, I should have said this earler |
| 01:00:25 | saratoga_ | yes |
| 01:00:28 | saratoga_ | i think its working |
| 01:00:29 | saratoga_ | YES |
| 01:00:54 | saratoga_ | thank you! |
| 01:01:02 | kugel_ | phew...I really don't know why -L/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu didn't work |
| 01:01:48 | kugel_ | but anyway, just keep that Makefile. you can now make changes and recompile like normal (and recompile the 64bit one in the same way to check results) |
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| 01:02:35 | saratoga_ | i just dumped some of the coefficients in the filterbank (the end of the decoding process) and they look generally similar, let me dig into this |
| 01:03:29 | [Saint] | It would probably be nice if configure could handle this without the need for makefile fuckery. |
| 01:03:55 | [Saint] | Building warble is...non-obvious, at best. |
| 01:05:59 | gevaerts | Is it? |
| 01:07:54 | saratoga_ | well you have to select "sdl app" which is odd |
| 01:08:09 | saratoga_ | probably warble should be its own build number rather than an option that only works with sdl app |
| 01:09:14 | gevaerts | Maybe |
| 01:09:34 | gevaerts | But that one thing doesn't warrant [Saint]'s claim I'd say |
| 01:09:52 | kugel_ | saratoga: didnt you mentor that gsoc project? |
| 01:10:05 | saratoga_ | yeah |
| 01:10:09 | saratoga_ | my bad |
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| 01:11:21 | gevaerts | Well, to be fair, the outcome of that project had a hackish standalone makefile. I seem to remember integrating it into our regular build system, so I share at least part of the blame for doing it this way |
| 01:11:44 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:11:44 | * | [Saint] casts blame |
| 01:11:54 | gevaerts | It wasn't clear to me then that it wouldn't be realistic to build it for all targets, or that this wouldn't make sense |
| 01:11:58 | [Saint] | Blame, blame I say! |
| 01:12:09 | * | gevaerts still wants [Saint] to elaborate his claim! |
| 01:12:21 | kugel_ | nobody is to blame, once you know it it's no problem. warble is not an enduser tool anyway |
| 01:12:38 | * | gevaerts nods |
| 01:12:48 | [Saint] | I find it odd that it isn't its own target and that it can be built a multitude of different ways. |
| 01:12:51 | saratoga_ | ok, on the 216th DCT call, (so i guess the 108th frame for stereo) in kugel's test file, a single coefficient is changed from "147322773" to "154347628" then on following frames everything is different |
| 01:13:00 | [Saint] | It really should be its own target. |
| 01:13:17 | [Saint] | And handle 32/64bit gracefully. |
| 01:13:26 | gevaerts | OK, you do that last bit |
| 01:13:30 | gevaerts | Have fun |
| 01:13:39 | saratoga_ | the first part is easier, but the 64 bit part is tough |
| 01:13:49 | [Saint] | To do it right it depends on the first bit. |
| 01:13:54 | gevaerts | Is it? |
| 01:14:01 | gevaerts | *does |
| 01:14:07 | [Saint] | I think so. |
| 01:14:19 | * | kugel_ doesnt see a connection between the two |
| 01:14:21 | [Saint] | To do it "right". |
| 01:15:04 | [Saint] | No immediate connection but it would be a lot nicer to add it as a build option in its own target. |
| 01:15:06 | gevaerts | I'm not at all sure that this is even supposed to be supported properly by multiarch |
| 01:15:11 | kugel_ | saratoga_: interesting. what could be the reason? some overflow? |
| 01:15:18 | saratoga_ | i'm not sure yet |
| 01:15:53 | gevaerts | As far as I can figure out, to do i386 bit builds on an amd64 bit system, you need the i386 -dev packages |
| 01:16:08 | kugel_ | remember that I tried upstream libmad and it worked fine as well so it's gotta be one of our changes |
| 01:16:14 | gevaerts | Those of course conflict with the amd64 ones, so you keep installing and uninstalling the stuff all the time |
| 01:16:24 | * | gevaerts waits for [Saint] to fix this |
| 01:16:45 | kugel_ | gevaerts: uhm no, that's not a problem |
| 01:16:56 | [Saint] | What conflict? |
| 01:17:10 | kugel_ | -dev is usually arch-independant, and if not they're multi-arched |
| 01:17:29 | gevaerts | kugel_: we don't iuse the output of sdl-config −−libs? |
| 01:17:33 | kugel_ | the -dev packages we need are not problematic |
| 01:17:57 | kugel_ | yes we do |
| 01:18:25 | gevaerts | So you need the right sdl-config |
| 01:18:42 | kugel_ | the output is the same (just some -lXXX) |
| 01:18:51 | gevaerts | $ sdl-config −−libs |
| 01:18:51 | gevaerts | -L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu -lSDL |
| 01:19:00 | kugel_ | oh right |
| 01:19:05 | kugel_ | hm |
| 01:19:23 | kugel_ | do you have sdl-config-32? it's on my system |
| 01:20:06 | gevaerts | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=sdl-config-32&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any tells me that that doesn't exist in debian |
| 01:22:37 | saratoga_ | is there a good visual diff tool for linux i can use to look at these debug logs? |
| 01:23:44 | [Saint] | Many exist, but I'm not confident about any good ones. I'm in the market too. |
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| 01:26:06 | saratoga_ | well the inputs to the IMDCT are also changed, so the bug is somewhere before any part of the codec i've worked on |
| 01:26:18 | saratoga_ | i guess probably somewhere in stereo coding, huffman decoding, etc |
| 01:26:23 | saratoga_ | probably layer3.c |
| 01:26:44 | saratoga_ | on the upside this means its most likely preglow's fault not mine |
| 01:28:38 | saratoga_ | oh this is wild |
| 01:28:58 | saratoga_ | the second input to the first IMDCT of each frame is changed, nothing more |
| 01:37:41 | saratoga_ | as far as I can tell, it repeats about every 64k samples |
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| 01:49:54 | [Saint] | Few things are more satisfying that finding out something problematic wasn't your fault. |
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| 02:06:33 | saratoga_ | kugel: as far as I can tell, things go wrong somewhere in III_huffdecode |
| 02:24:14 | saratoga_ | yeah its III_huffdecode |
| 02:24:37 | saratoga_ | the second (or sometimes third) decoded value is set to 0 when it should not be for reasons I do not underestand |
| 02:42:42 | [Saint] | Sometimes I find it a little scary that there's parts of the codebase that people who I consider to be highly intelligent and enlightened are intimidated or confused by. |
| 02:57:32 | saratoga_ | well it may take someone smarter than me because i don't really understand how huffman coding works all that well and i can't see anything in there that would not be 64 bit clean |
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| 03:09:30 | [Saint] | That's the problem. |
| 03:09:44 | [Saint] | In this area, I'm not sure who that person would be. |
| 03:09:50 | [Saint] | Or if they even exist. |
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| 03:36:40 | * | [Saint] is playing with pretty notifications |
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| 03:41:15 | LeonWillen | It is possible the sansa clip+ play m4a downloaded by smtube? Because I tried the rockbox and it did not work. |
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| 03:43:28 | LeonWillen | It is possible the sansa clip+ play files with extension .m4a downloaded by smtube? Because I tried the rockbox and it did not work. |
| 03:44:30 | [Saint] | Please don't repeat yourself. |
| 03:45:18 | LeonWillen | ok |
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| 03:51:09 | [Saint] | Without actually inspecting one of the files I can't really say anything. Should it be possible in theory? Yes. Certainly. But there's a fair bit of room to do some fairly weird shit in container formats. |
| 03:52:41 | [Saint] | Transcoding would get you up and running, and could be trivially added as a secondary step to smtube, but avoids the issue entirely. |
| 03:53:22 | [Saint] | I'm not in a position to investigate the file(s) in question presently. |
| 03:57:02 | LeonWillen | http://www.sendspace.com/file/9pcvfn Here a file dowloaded in smtube in .m4a |
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| 04:05:14 | saratoga_ | try repacking the mp4 file with mp4box or something similar |
| 04:05:20 | saratoga_ | probably the container is screwed up |
| 04:06:20 | saratoga_ | kugel: i think this fixes the 64 bit bug: http://pastebin.com/GfwyEEdk |
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| 04:29:49 | [Saint] | LeonWillen: can you try that again please? |
| 04:30:01 | [Saint] | I have no idea what you're trying to say. |
| 04:32:58 | LeonWillen | you need m4a file for test? |
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| 09:37:17 | kugel | saratoga_: have you tried the change? it doesn't look promising to me |
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| 09:39:15 | saratoga | kugel: it fixes the problem for me but yes I'm a little unclear on why |
| 09:39:49 | saratoga | I thought I made a mistake but on 64 bit the output matched foobar |
| 09:40:05 | saratoga | let me know if I'm mistaken |
| 09:40:42 | wodz | saratoga: I commited your version of 'Frequency' setting description. |
| 09:41:46 | wodz | kugel: on touch devices we have kinetic scrolling - how this is implemented? I mean could it be reused somehow for touchstrip devices? |
| 09:42:49 | kugel | there's extensive comments apps/gui/list.c |
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| 09:43:01 | wodz | ok, will look |
| 09:43:20 | kugel | apps/gui/bitmap/list.c* |
| 09:44:20 | kugel | saratoga: this use of unsigned long looks safe to me |
| 09:44:40 | kugel | I'll try anyways |
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| 11:50:39 | Pitrola | Hi guys. I am about to install Rockbox in my Clip+ for the the first time. Firs time installing Rockbox in general. I already upgraded to the latest original firmware (.18). How do I know which original firmwares are supported by by Rockbox in order to patch them for Rockbox installation? In the Rockbox website, I see only .16 original firmwares to download. |
| 11:52:25 | gevaerts | Pitrola: they should all be supported, but if there is a problem, Rockbox Utility will tell you |
| 11:53:02 | Pitrola | Thank You. |
| 11:55:47 | Pitrola | And if it tells me, in which state the device would be? |
| 11:56:20 | gevaerts | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 11:57:33 | Pitrola | If it fails in the installation becasue of a original firmware rejection, will the device still work fine? |
| 11:58:01 | gevaerts | That would be well before anything is done to the device, so yes |
| 11:58:27 | Pitrola | Great. Thanks again. |
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| 12:05:49 | [Saint] | The worst that would happen is Rockbox Utility or the firmware patcher says "I don't know this file, try again". |
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| 12:39:43 | Pincus | Hey guys |
| 12:41:34 | Pincus | I've been running Rockbox on my Sansa Clip+ for almost two years, which was going great. Then because I dropped in several times it stopped working because one of the battery wires snapped. So the fix was simple enough - solder the wires back on. |
| 12:42:21 | [Saint] | But? |
| 12:44:35 | Pincus | I successfully did that, despite the inappropriately large soldering iron I used. But when I put it back together, I realised I forgot to put the little padding thing which sticks to one of the integrated circuits. So I opened it back up and put it on, but in the process one of the wires came off the battery again, so I had to resolder them, again. |
| 12:45:26 | [Saint] | Let's get to why you're here now. |
| 12:46:04 | Pincus | Anyway, I think I bricked my Sansa Clip+. The screen never powers on. However, when I connect it to my computer (Windows 7), Windows pops up a box recognising a drive, which needs to be formatted, and it currently 4.03mb "RAW". |
| 12:46:39 | [Saint] | Yep. Sounds like you killed the internal storage. |
| 12:46:56 | Pincus | When I hold down the power button for 10 seconds while it's plugged in, Windows can no longer "see" is. (excuse my lack of jargon :)) |
| 12:47:36 | [Saint] | The only thing you can do is hope the unbrick instructions on our wiki help. |
| 12:47:44 | [Saint] | But its quite doubtful. |
| 12:48:17 | [Saint] | The 4MB volume is usually a symptom of "being well and truly fucked". |
| 12:48:25 | [Saint] | (Pardon my French) |
| 12:48:34 | Pincus | I'll see what I can find. I came across instructions for the Sansa Clip V2. I'll try to find Clip+. |
| 12:49:00 | [Saint] | One sec. |
| 12:49:08 | [Saint] | I'll get off my mobile. |
| 12:49:08 | Pincus | haha yeah true. |
| 12:49:15 | Pincus | Thanks! |
| 12:50:27 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick |
| 12:50:32 | [Saint] | There we go. |
| 12:50:56 | [Saint] | I will add that this is by no means an exact science. |
| 12:51:05 | [Saint] | We have no idea why this works. |
| 12:51:37 | Pincus | Cheers! |
| 12:51:38 | Pincus | haha |
| 12:51:44 | [Saint] | At this stage, its worth trying - as you can't break it any more than it is now. |
| 12:51:52 | [Saint] | But its /probably/ dead, I'm sorry. |
| 12:52:23 | Pincus | I'm very curious, what or where is that 4mb partition? |
| 12:52:49 | Pincus | Oh yeah, also, I inserted both a 32gb and 64gb microsd card, and neither showed up in Windows. |
| 12:53:39 | [Saint] | What it is, we don't know. Where it is, is probably a section of storage on the SoC. |
| 12:54:01 | [Saint] | I don't know too much about the internals of these devices. |
| 12:54:26 | [Saint] | I know this partition doesn't exist on the internal storage as it still appears at times when the storage is completely dead. |
| 12:55:22 | Pincus | Another thing, do you think the excess head experienced by the ICs caused this thanks to my poor soldering skills? Or, I think I might have even bridged two pins of one of the ICs, maybe even bridge it to negative. (*may have*) haha |
| 12:56:08 | [Saint] | Heat may be an issue, but I would put my money on an accidental short or static discharge. |
| 12:56:52 | [Saint] | I should also add that if you do manage to recover this device it is likely that you may not be able to boot the original firmware, but that is a minor loss if you manage to recover it. |
| 12:57:14 | [Saint] | A full recovery would involve someone else with this device making a dump of their player. |
| 12:58:01 | [Saint] | That's probably because some magic the OF relies on gets trashed, but Rockbox doesn't seem to care about it, so, yay. |
| 12:58:49 | Pincus | Cool, thanks for the info! |
| 12:58:53 | [Saint] | In some cases writing a patched firmware is enough to fully recover the device, in other cases it will only allow Rockbox to boot. |
| 12:59:33 | Pincus | Interesting |
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| 13:00:34 | Pincus | I read on the forum that you shouldn't short the battery. Something to do with the little circuit board attached to the battery. What happens? |
| 13:01:14 | [Saint] | I'm not so sure about that. The battery should have internal protection against this. |
| 13:01:26 | [Saint] | I would almost be willing to put money on it. |
| 13:01:43 | Pincus | Also, I used a multimetre to check which wire was positive/negative. That's fine though, 'cause you're not shorting it there, right? |
| 13:02:01 | Pincus | Cool. |
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| 13:03:57 | Pincus | So I suppose the developers of Rockbox have contacted Sansa for information. How did they respond? |
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| 13:05:17 | [Saint] | The only contact I'm aware of was informing them of a bug in their playback which they half fixed after Rockbox did. |
| 13:07:25 | [Saint] | All the information known about these devices comes from leaked datasheets, datasheets for similar hardware, and reverse engineering/disassembly. |
| 13:07:37 | [Saint] | ZManufacturers haven't given us squat AFAIK. |
| 13:07:41 | [Saint] | -Z |
| 13:08:25 | Pincus | That's a shame. |
| 13:08:41 | Pincus | Why aren't they more open? What do they have to lose? |
| 13:08:55 | [Saint] | Well, you don't make money by giving away your trade secrets now do you? ;) |
| 13:09:36 | [Saint] | Once you do that you're no longer special, anyone can do the same. |
| 13:09:37 | Pincus | haha, fair enough. |
| 13:11:55 | Pincus | I haven't given up on my Clip+ just yet, but assuming I can't bring this baby back to life, what's a good replacement? I'm thinking Sansa Clip Zip. I read some negative things about the newest one, "Sport", and it doesn't run Rockbox. |
| 13:12:45 | [Saint] | And likely never will. |
| 13:13:11 | [Saint] | Regarding player recommendations, it really depends what you're own preferences are. |
| 13:13:22 | [Saint] | I for instance rather hate these Happy Meal toys. |
| 13:13:23 | Pincus | Why is that? It has a different processor or something? |
| 13:13:33 | Pincus | haha |
| 13:13:49 | [Saint] | From what we know if it now it has a very limited amount of memory. |
| 13:14:22 | [Saint] | Unless there's more memory hiding somewhere, a port would be very difficult bordering impossible. |
| 13:15:06 | [Saint] | There's not enough memory to load a fullscreen color bitmap even. |
| 13:15:07 | Pincus | Oh yeah, that's right. I read that. But somebody said it must have more, because with that limitted amount of memory (something like 88kb, iirc), it couldn't even decode and play Ogg Vorbis files. |
| 13:15:23 | [Saint] | (assumedly the LCD has its own cache, else I have no idea what voodoo its doing) |
| 13:15:39 | Pincus | haha |
| 13:15:40 | Pincus | Yeah |
| 13:19:23 | Pincus | What is the consequence of bridging the negative and earth, with a voltage applied to it? Nothing? |
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| 13:53:59 | Pincus | The two bits I am supposed to bridge are tiny! |
| 13:54:33 | Pincus | I really need an appropriate soldering iron though haha |
| 13:55:00 | [Saint] | Use a paperclip, or tweezers. |
| 13:55:18 | [Saint] | Or fuse wire. |
| 13:55:24 | Pincus | Hmm |
| 13:55:59 | Pincus | This is gonna be tricky |
| 13:56:25 | [Saint] | I find tweezers with a fine tip useful for this type of thing personally. |
| 13:56:43 | [Saint] | But a paperclip is also a handy tool. |
| 13:56:49 | Pincus | Yeah |
| 13:56:59 | Pincus | I've got tweezers too |
| 13:57:01 | [Saint] | Not just for MacGuyver. |
| 13:57:18 | Pincus | haha |
| 13:57:21 | Pincus | And a little flat screwdriver |
| 13:57:44 | Pincus | Holding it to bridge it is doable. But actually soldering it? Man, that's another. |
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| 13:57:58 | [Saint] | No...shit no. |
| 13:58:05 | [Saint] | Don't solder it in place. |
| 13:58:11 | [Saint] | No no no. |
| 13:58:26 | Pincus | Perhaps I could get a bit of solder onto the tip of a paperclip, then quickly place it down in the middle of the two pads. |
| 13:58:31 | Pincus | oh |
| 13:58:33 | Pincus | haha |
| 13:58:42 | Pincus | Excuse my ignorance :P |
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| 13:59:02 | [Saint] | Just hold it there. Its tricky, but doable. |
| 13:59:36 | Pincus | BTW, I must say, it's impressive that people have worked this shit out, even if it's not all fully understood. |
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| 14:01:39 | [Saint] | I'm not actually sure how this was discovered. |
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| 14:08:33 | Pincus | Should I bother to boot into Linux at this point? It still only shows up as 4.03MB |
| 14:08:52 | Pincus | Maybe I haven't bridged them, it's a bit tricky. |
| 14:09:18 | Pincus | But it looks like it's FUBAR. |
| 14:10:55 | Pincus | I'll give it another go. This time i've got surgical sissors, nice and pointy ^_^ |
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| 14:15:00 | Pincus | K |
| 14:15:26 | Pincus | I definitely had that bridged, then plugged it in. It's still reporting as 4MB. Dang! |
| 14:18:48 | [Saint] | Worth a shot. But, yeah. As I initially suspected it sounds like the internal storage died. |
| 14:19:59 | [Saint] | Else it should present a ~900Mb-ish volume, from memory. |
| 14:21:25 | [Saint] | Static discharge or accidental bridging is a likely culprit. |
| 14:22:03 | [Saint] | Heat shouldn't be an issue unless you used a very hot iron, for a very long time. |
| 14:24:39 | Pincus | "If it reports 4MB, your flash is broken." I'm curious, where is this flash located? Is it within the AMS AS3525 or is it a standalone thing? |
| 14:24:58 | ParkerR | Clips are nice because if they break you arent out of a ton of money and can replace |
| 14:25:17 | Pincus | Hmm, yeah probably accidental bridging. |
| 14:25:29 | Pincus | Yeah exactly. |
| 14:26:29 | Pincus | I'll buy a Sansa Clip Zip now. I want something small and cheap. Using my phone for music gives me the shits, because you can't easily FF and change tracks. |
| 14:26:58 | ParkerR | :D |
| 14:27:07 | ParkerR | Loving the zip |
| 14:28:21 | ParkerR | http://i.imgur.com/TYBqc7u.jpg |
| 14:28:46 | ParkerR | Not my current theme but my usual setup |
| 14:30:23 | Pincus | I'll also have to buy a better soldering iron. I was bound to run into trouble with the one I was using - a big and heavy fucker. |
| 14:30:58 | Pincus | Cool, it looks good ParkerR. |
| 14:31:24 | Pincus | I look forward to having a decent screen instead of the blue/yellow one on the Clip+ |
| 14:34:20 | ParkerR | Pincus: bonus its OLED |
| 14:35:00 | Pincus | Why are there so many dead Sansa Clips on eBay? One seller has like 10 of them. :S |
| 14:35:11 | ParkerR | O.o |
| 14:35:41 | Pincus | What's OLED, and what else can they be? Again, excuse my ignorance :) |
| 14:36:11 | ParkerR | Pincus: last I checked Best Buy had the 4GB Zip for $30 and Radioshack had it for $40 |
| 14:36:28 | Pincus | The dude must have worse soldering skills than me ;) |
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| 14:36:44 | Pincus | Hmm |
| 14:37:10 | Pincus | I'm in Sydney, Australia :) I'll continue looking around though. |
| 14:37:45 | ParkerR | Pincus: OLED instead of LCD. On OLED each pixel produces its own light. There isnt a backlight. This means if a pixel is black its off |
| 14:38:10 | Pincus | Ah, I see. |
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| 14:41:48 | gevaerts | That doesn't make the zip different from the + though |
| 14:41:57 | gevaerts | That's OLED too |
| 14:42:21 | * | gevaerts thoinks the clip+ has a better screen than the clip zip |
| 14:43:26 | Pincus | k |
| 14:43:34 | Pincus | Better in what way? |
| 14:43:36 | ParkerR | gevaerts: but the zip is color... :P |
| 14:43:43 | ParkerR | 96x96 |
| 14:43:59 | Pincus | Yeah I noticed that, instead of 128 wide |
| 14:44:10 | wodz | clip+ is also color - 3 color |
| 14:44:20 | gevaerts | For such a small screen, I prefer clear monochrome to less than perfect colour |
| 14:44:23 | Pincus | Which is admittedly a bit of a difference. |
| 14:44:39 | ParkerR | gevaerts: looks fine here |
| 14:45:04 | Pincus | The clip snapped off on my Clip+ like < 2 months after I got it, and for no particular reason. Hopefully it doesn't happen again. |
| 14:45:24 | gevaerts | Of course if you want colour, the zip is the one to pick |
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| 14:52:10 | Pincus | What's the deal with international shipping costs? Stuff from HK/China always seems to be really cheap or free, but stuff from the UK/US seems, in comparison, unreasonably high, like $15+ |
| 14:53:29 | Pincus | $31.55 to ship a Sansa Clip Zip from the US to Australia. Come on now, that's more than the product itself! |
| 14:53:45 | Pincus | Used, Clip Zip, though... |
| 14:54:40 | Pincus | But from Israel it's just $2 for shipping. Though it seems like the actual cost of shipping was absorbed by the price of the Clip Zip. |
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| 14:58:18 | [Saint] | Shipping can be a real pain in the dick for Australasia. |
| 14:58:49 | [Saint] | Like nowhere stocks SanDisk players. |
| 14:59:19 | [Saint] | Its virtually impossibly to buy them new locally in AU/NZ. |
| 14:59:30 | [Saint] | *impossible |
| 14:59:53 | Pincus | Yeah it blows. There's one online shop here, but it's going for $85! |
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| 15:00:45 | [Saint] | Its all iPods and piece-of-shit Phillips players I wouldn't use if I was paid to here. |
| 15:00:45 | Pincus | Should I save $5 by buying a refurbished one? It still comes in the packaging with cables etc. |
| 15:01:18 | [Saint] | I'd buy new. |
| 15:01:33 | [Saint] | No reason not to if its only five bucks |
| 15:01:38 | Pincus | Yeah |
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| 15:03:20 | [Saint] | Hmmm. Yep. Apple, Phillips and Sony absolutely dominate the (tiny) DAP market here as I thought. |
| 15:03:37 | [Saint] | Predominantly the former of the three. |
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| 15:04:35 | nick_p | Pincus: "Stuff from HK/China always seems to be really cheap or free"; They just stick it one of the many shipping containers leaving their country, in the US/UK nothing is manufactured, so someone is paid to collect and deliver it by hand ;) |
| 15:05:12 | Pincus | haha yeah |
| 15:05:43 | Pincus | Saint, "here" = Australia? You're Australian too? |
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| 15:12:53 | [Saint] | New Zealand |
| 15:13:05 | [Saint] | Christchurch, specifically. |
| 15:14:58 | * | [Saint] shakes a fist in a westerly direction. |
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| 15:20:42 | Pincus | ahah :D |
| 15:22:03 | Pincus | Thanks so much for your help, it was much appreciated! Goodnight. |
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| 17:21:45 | cereal_killer | is there a button combination or so to go to the WPS from the menus on the D2? Or do I have to navigate to the main menu and press "now playing"? |
| 17:23:32 | [Saint] | From memory I don't believe so. |
| 17:23:58 | [Saint] | Only with nasty grid mode enabled iirc. |
| 17:25:14 | [Saint] | You could very trivially add this functionality if you wanted to with a custom .sbs |
| 17:27:30 | cereal_killer | thanks for the response [Saint]. I would love to have a "go to wps" function. So you mean I need to create a custom .sbs where I press a button, that takes me to the wps from everywhere in the menus? |
| 17:28:46 | [Saint] | Only if there indeed isn't a way to do this already. Which I'm not /entirely/ confident about. |
| 17:31:44 | [Saint] | The simplest .SBS to do this would just shrink the ui viewport and add a single touch element in the entirety of the recovered space (it would look more aesthetically pleasing if taken from the bottom as opposed to the top) that jumped straight to the now playing screen. |
| 17:32:01 | [Saint] | No need for any visual elements necessarily. |
| 17:32:26 | cereal_killer | Oh I have not searched properly, but there is already a button combo that returns to the wps. It is holding PLUS first, then MENU. |
| 17:32:53 | [Saint] | Ew. |
| 17:33:23 | [Saint] | Maybe adding a touch region may be a better option after all. :) |
| 17:33:53 | [Saint] | Its rather a shame so few themes exist for the D2. |
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| 17:34:09 | [Saint] | Its a relatively obscure device. |
| 17:34:45 | [Saint] | But from a themeing perspective it has a lot of potential. |
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| 17:34:58 | cereal_killer | Thanks for your input. I think I am satisfied with the button combo, though such a touch region would be quite nice to have. |
| 17:35:41 | cereal_killer | yes, not many themes with a obsolute point mode for the wps exist. |
| 17:36:23 | [Saint] | It would quite literally only be 3 or 4 lines of code to add a basic sbs with an invisible touch region. |
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| 17:37:59 | [Saint] | Specify custom UI viewport, specify user viewport in remaining space, add touchscreen area to fill new viewport. |
| 17:38:37 | [Saint] | The second viewport isn't strictly necessary, but cleaner IMO. |
| 17:38:37 | cereal_killer | I tried looking into the tags for a custom wps using absolute point mode, but I gave up. I tried to make the wps of cabbiev3 (my favourite theme btw.) absolute point, but I could not get my head around that. |
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| 17:40:49 | [Saint] | The problem is a lit of themes are very poorly written and adapting them ends up being a full rewrite instead. |
| 17:41:40 | [Saint] | There's definitely some rather exotic examples of skin code usage floating around out there. |
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| 17:44:03 | cereal_killer | that is true... I remeber trieng to modify a theme when I had to look up every tag because there was no documentation in the code, like #album art |
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| 18:19:35 | Saratoga | Kugel: did that change work for you? |
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| 19:57:57 | ParkerR | Umm Is there a confirmed max capacity for the SD card on the Clip Zip using Rockbox? |
| 19:58:05 | ParkerR | Like you have access to all the space and it just works |
| 19:58:52 | gevaerts | Depends on the card |
| 19:59:01 | gevaerts | You won't get 4GB on a 2GB card |
| 19:59:26 | ParkerR | Hmm? |
| 19:59:32 | ParkerR | I mean like 64, 128 etc |
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| 20:00:31 | * | gevaerts is confused |
| 20:00:31 | dfkt | 64gb ums1 sdxc cards work when formatted to fat32 |
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| 20:00:43 | dfkt | are there already 128gb microsd cards available? |
| 20:00:50 | copper | yes, from SanDisk |
| 20:00:57 | gevaerts | Oh, you mean, is there a limit on how big rockbox will support? |
| 20:01:00 | copper | you should know, it's been posted on ABI |
| 20:01:07 | gevaerts | If so, no |
| 20:01:10 | ParkerR | gevaerts, aye |
| 20:01:15 | dfkt | haven't visited ABI in two years |
| 20:01:24 | copper | haha, ok |
| 20:01:28 | gevaerts | IIRC there have been reports of people using 128gb cards with rockbox |
| 20:03:05 | dfkt | sweet, the 128gb cards are still uhs1 |
| 20:03:12 | dfkt | so they should work |
| 20:04:16 | copper | I no longer trust microsdxc cards |
| 20:04:30 | ParkerR | Why? |
| 20:04:32 | copper | or microsdhc |
| 20:04:51 | copper | had a 32 GB microsdhc card from Transcend, got file corruption all the time |
| 20:05:13 | copper | had a 64 GB microsdxc card from SanDisk, I managed to fuck it up in software, it would no longer write anything |
| 20:05:15 | dfkt | that's an exeption, not the norm |
| 20:05:33 | copper | got a replacement for it from SanDisk, ran into a bug with my Fuze+ half the time |
| 20:05:52 | copper | pamaury has my Fuze+ and my card and we can't figure out the problem |
| 20:06:15 | lebellium | you should feel better without Fuze+ :P |
| 20:06:21 | copper | I do |
| 20:06:33 | copper | I use my iPod, which is teh awesome. |
| 20:06:53 | ParkerR | Hopefully an iPod that supports Rockbox... |
| 20:06:57 | ParkerR | ;) |
| 20:07:13 | copper | Rockboxed iPod Classic, duh |
| 20:07:19 | ParkerR | :D |
| 20:08:35 | copper | I've always been suspicious about those tiny cards anyway |
| 20:08:41 | copper | their size is ungodly |
| 20:08:47 | ParkerR | Haha I might have just gotten some guy in 4chan to get a Zip. He was happy to hear he could have his 40GB collection on something cheap and small. |
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| 20:09:37 | copper | I still can't figure out how those tiny things have as much storage as 2.5" SSDs |
| 20:09:47 | copper | it's insane |
| 20:10:01 | ParkerR | Magnets |
| 20:10:04 | ParkerR | :P |
| 20:10:09 | copper | wha? |
| 20:10:10 | dfkt | magnets, how do they work? |
| 20:10:14 | dfkt | (google it) |
| 20:10:15 | ParkerR | copper, ^ |
| 20:10:19 | ParkerR | That's the joke |
| 20:10:35 | copper | sorry I can't use Google anymore, they think I'm a bot |
| 20:10:41 | copper | so I'm just gonna Bing it |
| 20:10:50 | ParkerR | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fucking-magnets-how-do-they-work |
| 20:10:53 | ParkerR | copper, and wat |
| 20:10:57 | ParkerR | You got banned from Google? |
| 20:11:01 | ParkerR | O.o |
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| 20:16:37 | copper | yeah they dislike my IP address (which they think comes from effing Morocco) and probably the fact that I use google with a dynamic bookmark linking to the direct search results |
| 20:18:29 | copper | now I can't use Google without getting a captcha every single time |
| 20:19:08 | ParkerR | Maybe disable the direct link thingy and solve a few captchas? |
| 20:19:13 | ParkerR | Or use startpage heh |
| 20:19:31 | copper | no, the damage is done |
| 20:19:34 | ParkerR | Still gets results from google but takes out the crap |
| 20:19:48 | copper | I still get a captcha when going to google.com and typing a query in their search field |
| 20:20:09 | ParkerR | https://startpage.com/ |
| 20:20:15 | copper | I've filed a request to "unban" my IP |
| 20:20:18 | copper | no answer yet |
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| 20:41:22 | ParkerR | Woo so this went from hey what nusic player do you use to a full blown rockbox thread haha http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/41373263 |
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| 23:03:03 | saratoga | kugel: I double checked and the patch I sent you produced a file that matched foobar2000 to about 14-15 bits, so although i don't see why that change matters, I think it does work unless I have made a huge mistake |
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