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| 10:24:07 | copper | soap: 14-Nimbus |
| 10:39:45 | copper | can someone please try PodTwo on an iPod Video? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=2135&target=ipod6g |
| 10:40:37 | copper | on this picture, it seems that the transparency doesn't work in any of the images https://outpost.fr/tmp/l3C.jpg/ |
| 10:40:51 | copper | the top left and top right icons, and the bottom progressbar |
| 10:42:32 | copper | they're fine in the sim |
| 10:42:40 | copper | maybe the guy just has an old Rockbox build |
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| 11:28:09 | copper | indeed the guy is running Rockbox 3.13 |
| 11:28:28 | copper | kugel: hi, could you take a look at FS #12973 if you have some time? |
| 11:28:30 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12973 %Vs(invert) partially fails with centered or right-aligned content (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 11:30:39 | kugel | copper: I think it's normal that %Vs only starts when the text starts |
| 11:31:10 | copper | gah |
| 11:31:20 | copper | this is why we need guidelines for the theme markup |
| 11:31:57 | copper | oh, you mean the other thing |
| 11:32:11 | kugel | CustomWPS is a bit ambigious but it refers to "text style" |
| 11:32:16 | copper | kugel: so I can't have an inverted viewport with centered or right aligned text? |
| 11:32:48 | kugel | what about Vf/Vb? |
| 11:33:04 | copper | I've tried everything |
| 11:35:15 | kugel | well, it can be fixed, should be trivial due to my put_line() work |
| 11:35:53 | copper | er, I mean I was trying to use the fg and bg colors from the cfg file |
| 11:36:18 | copper | in order to make a theme with which you could change the main color by using the Rockbox color picker |
| 11:37:18 | kugel | %St ? |
| 11:37:23 | copper | no |
| 11:37:33 | copper | just %dr() and %Vs(invert) |
| 11:38:08 | copper | anything that uses the foreground color |
| 11:38:51 | kugel | i mean can you use %St to pass the cfg values to %Vf? |
| 11:38:58 | kugel | i guess not |
| 11:39:00 | copper | no |
| 11:39:11 | copper | someone talked about that recently |
| 11:41:38 | kugel | ok |
| 11:42:17 | kugel | I could make your case work but that would most likely break lines where twoor three of %al,%ac and %ar are used |
| 11:42:45 | kugel | e.g. drawing the center part would draw over the left part |
| 11:44:03 | copper | eh, we don't want that |
| 11:44:41 | kugel | right |
| 11:44:42 | copper | it should be a function of the viewport, not the text |
| 11:44:57 | copper | though I guess it doesn't work like that |
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| 11:47:21 | copper | Rockbox 3.14 is sooo overdue |
| 11:47:41 | copper | probably all my themes break on 3.13 |
| 11:47:56 | copper | and some users don't say anything |
| 11:48:19 | copper | or don't realize when something is obviously broken |
| 11:54:44 | copper | kugel: it's inconsistent though: I have a viewport with %Vf() and %Vb() and centered text: the background color is applied to the entire line, not just the text |
| 11:55:03 | kugel | yes |
| 11:55:16 | copper | but then if I insert %Vs(invert) in there, then the background is applied only on the beginning of the text and to end of the viewport, to the right of the text |
| 11:55:21 | kugel | it's not inconsistent, they're simply not the same |
| 11:55:45 | copper | ? |
| 11:56:15 | kugel | re 3.14: I'll ask AlexP about it once I see him |
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| 12:01:53 | kugel | copper: can you try this: http://pastie.org/9089530 |
| 12:03:02 | copper | ok |
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| 12:10:12 | kugel | http://pastie.org/9089553 <- fixed maths |
| 12:11:06 | copper | it breaks %ar |
| 12:11:53 | kugel | the second paste too? |
| 12:12:02 | copper | no, gonna try the second one now |
| 12:15:28 | copper | er, I don't need to recompile everything, I guess |
| 12:16:11 | gevaerts | No need for make clean on that one |
| 12:17:49 | copper | kugel: everything works :D |
| 12:18:23 | copper | tried %al, %ac, %ar with and without %Vs(invert), and all three at once, with and without %Vs(invert) |
| 12:18:42 | kugel | and two of them? |
| 12:19:44 | copper | you mean like: %Vs(invert)%alLeft %Vs(invert)%acCenter? |
| 12:20:44 | copper | that works as if there was only one %Vs(invert) |
| 12:20:52 | kugel | %alLeft%arRight |
| 12:21:33 | kugel | only one %Vs (probably the last one) per line is effective |
| 12:21:37 | copper | works |
| 12:24:48 | kugel | cool |
| 12:25:09 | kugel | copper: how would you expect %Vs(invert) to work on its own line? |
| 12:25:27 | kugel | apply to the next line, or all remaining ones in the viewport? |
| 12:26:29 | kugel | and related, what makes you think it works on its own line at all? |
| 12:27:06 | copper | nah I was just confused with what markup is supposed to be on its own line, and what isn't |
| 12:27:26 | copper | having %Vs(invert) on the same line as the text it's meant to affect, makes perfect sense, don't change that |
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| 13:30:12 | copper | how do I change the foreground color of the menu only (%Vi)? |
| 13:30:45 | copper | if I set %Vi(...) and then %Vf(...), it changes the foreground color in the WPS |
| 13:30:53 | copper | er |
| 13:30:59 | copper | if I set %Vi(...) and then %Vf(...) in the SBS, it changes the foreground color in the WPS |
| 13:31:59 | kugel | copper: use %cs |
| 13:32:36 | kugel | %Vi isnt just the the menu viewport, it's for general content |
| 13:33:14 | copper | is there something other than %Vi for displaying the menu? |
| 13:33:37 | kugel | there is skinned lists but it doesnt work that well |
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| 13:40:50 | copper | can't make it work |
| 13:42:18 | copper | damn it |
| 13:43:30 | kugel | what's the problem? |
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| 13:45:20 | copper | brb |
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| 14:42:12 | copper | god, I finally did it |
| 14:42:38 | copper | http://caudec.net/rockbox/Basta-render.png/ |
| 14:42:50 | copper | the top bar's color can finally be changed with the Rockbox color picker |
| 14:43:12 | copper | super hackish, but with kugel's fix, it works |
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| 15:09:56 | copper | http://caudec.net/rockbox/latest/Basta.zip |
| 15:18:15 | copper | pixelma_: in order to make the color of the status bar user-settable, like we were talking about, I used %Vs(invert) for text, 1-bit images, and viewports containing a blank space for the background |
| 15:18:49 | nrg | nice job copper! |
| 15:18:56 | copper | and %Vb(-) and %Vf(-) to reset the colors previously set for the %Vi() menu |
| 15:19:31 | copper | I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing is the expected behavior or if it's not exploiting some bug |
| 15:20:00 | copper | nrg: I went nearly nuts on that thing :P |
| 15:20:23 | copper | but it seems I have finally reached my "theming wholy grail" |
| 15:20:55 | copper | I'll be able to delete the gazillion Googley themes |
| 15:21:00 | copper | and upload just one |
| 15:26:54 | [Saint] | I'd hold off on that. |
| 15:27:21 | [Saint] | I'm pretty sure the fix just broke deliberate behavior. |
| 15:28:02 | amayer | [Saint]: fun killer! |
| 15:28:30 | amayer | [Saint]: just kidding. what broke? |
| 15:28:32 | copper | doubtful |
| 15:28:51 | [Saint] | Why so? |
| 15:29:02 | [Saint] | Is it too hard to imagine it was edded for a reason? |
| 15:29:05 | amayer | copper: that would be AWESOME! if you could use color picker for your googley themes |
| 15:29:06 | [Saint] | *added |
| 15:29:08 | copper | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12973?getfile=25000 |
| 15:29:23 | copper | amayer: Basta is an evolution of the Googley themes |
| 15:29:33 | copper | [Saint]: see the screenshot ^ |
| 15:29:41 | copper | that is definitely not something anyone would want |
| 15:29:44 | amayer | but i dont like the graphic graphic battery |
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| 15:29:55 | [Saint] | Don't confuse you, with anyone. |
| 15:30:03 | copper | amayer: set the battery to "numerical" |
| 15:30:08 | [Saint] | Wait until JdGordon_ comments on this. |
| 15:30:20 | [Saint] | He had a reason to do it like this in the first place. |
| 15:30:28 | copper | uh? |
| 15:30:37 | [Saint] | Someone coming and wiping that out without consultation doesn't sit right with me. |
| 15:30:56 | [Saint] | Without so much asking if its intended bahavior or not. |
| 15:31:06 | [Saint] | To fit a single case, no less. |
| 15:31:22 | copper | dude, it's obviously a bug |
| 15:31:44 | copper | without %Vs(invert), the whole viewport line is drawn |
| 15:31:50 | [Saint] | It may be, but, don;t get too attached to the fix just yet. |
| 15:31:53 | copper | with it, before the fix, only part of it would be drawn |
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| 15:34:10 | [Saint] | Its all very well to say "its obviously a bug", and it may be. |
| 15:34:24 | [Saint] | But you don;t know there's no themes out there that use the "bugged" behavior. |
| 15:34:37 | copper | well that's always a problem |
| 15:34:39 | [Saint] | ...which would now be broken. |
| 15:34:44 | copper | it was a problem with kugel's other fixes |
| 15:35:00 | copper | and some of the themes that haven't been fixed since then, are now broken |
| 15:35:03 | [Saint] | Well, I'd like to see JdGordon_ at least comment on this. |
| 15:35:14 | [Saint] | Preferably before commit, but that moment is passed. |
| 15:35:20 | copper | but if you guys are going to stop kugel from fixing what needs to be fixed… |
| 15:35:58 | [Saint] | Ohhhh fuck off. That's not it and you know it. |
| 15:36:03 | [Saint] | DOn;t throw your toys dude. |
| 15:37:18 | copper | what if some themes use the "bugged behavior" |
| 15:37:19 | copper | then what |
| 15:37:33 | copper | I had to fix my own themes the last times |
| 15:38:27 | [Saint] | I'm sure there's a way to allow this to behave as originally intended, *and* consume the entire line. |
| 15:38:27 | copper | and now my own themes are broken on Rockbox 3.13 |
| 15:38:32 | [Saint] | It doesn;t need to be either or. |
| 15:38:42 | copper | do you even know the original intent? |
| 15:38:58 | [Saint] | It was only supposed to affect the text. |
| 15:39:06 | copper | except it didn't |
| 15:39:29 | copper | it affected text and all the space to the right of it, until the end of the viewport line |
| 15:40:27 | copper | and, again, the default behavior without %Vs(invert) is to paint the entire line, including around the text, with the background color |
| 15:40:44 | copper | why would %Vs(invert) only work on the text then |
| 15:40:49 | copper | woudln't make any sense |
| 15:41:08 | [Saint] | My understanding of the intended behavior was that it was only supposed to affect the text until it hit another tag, so you could do weird shit with several foreground/background colors on a single line. |
| 15:44:30 | [Saint] | IFF that was the intent, and anyone's using it, they're now rather unhappy. |
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| 15:46:04 | [Saint] | And, don;t get me wrong, I understand that would be a kick in the ass for you - but I'm sure there's a way this could work for everyone. |
| 15:46:56 | copper | I've done my share of working around bugs when there was no-one to fix them |
| 15:47:15 | copper | (while reporting them on flyspray) |
| 15:48:55 | [Saint] | I'll reserve complete judgement for the moment its actually confirmed or denied as a bug or intended behavior. |
| 15:51:13 | copper | amayer: I meant, you can set the "Battery Display" setting in the Theme Settings to "numerical" |
| 15:51:19 | copper | if that wasn't clear |
| 15:51:32 | [Saint] | Playing Devil's advocate is some tough work... :/ |
| 15:52:46 | copper | I don't know why you're so resistant all of the sudden |
| 15:53:32 | [Saint] | I don't know why you can't see that I would like it confirmed that this isn;t wiping out intended behavior. |
| 15:53:50 | [Saint] | Its easier for me as I don;t have a personal stake in this, I can see the other side. |
| 15:54:14 | [Saint] | Do I want you issue fixed? Yes. Do I want it to undo intended behavior? No. |
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| 15:54:39 | [Saint] | Its nothing personal. |
| 15:54:58 | copper | because 1) it's obviously broken, and 2) I really don't want to have to wait for others to check it out, because that could take a _long_ time |
| 15:55:13 | copper | also, I take exception to the "To fit a single case, no less." bit |
| 15:55:25 | [Saint] | Good. |
| 15:55:28 | [Saint] | You can do that. |
| 15:55:38 | copper | when kugel fixed it, I checked out the other cases that I was NOT using, to make sure it was working coherently |
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| 16:06:17 | copper | I can see how acting only on the text (and not the space around it on the same line, to each end of the viewport) would be desirable |
| 16:06:41 | copper | but then you would need to fix the default behavior and only draw the background color on the text |
| 16:06:49 | copper | and make the rest of the line transparent |
| 16:07:06 | copper | which will also likely break some themes |
| 16:08:36 | copper | whatever is decided, it needs to be coherent |
| 16:09:11 | [Saint] | I certainly agree there. |
| 16:09:18 | copper | ok, good |
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| 16:11:25 | copper | bbiab |
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| 16:33:07 | copper | [Saint]: actually if you really want to do it right, you'd need to separate the background color and transparency of the viewport, and the bg and fg colors and transparency of the text itself |
| 16:33:28 | copper | only then will you have something that's manageable in all situations |
| 16:34:08 | copper | something like %Vb() and %Tb() / %Tf() |
| 16:34:17 | copper | well not Tf, that's used already |
| 16:34:23 | copper | but you get the idea |
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| 16:35:42 | copper | but that too will break themes |
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| 16:36:14 | copper | that's the price for correcting past mistakes and oversights, and improving the thing |
| 16:36:18 | kugel | [Saint]: what are you on? anyway, you're wrong |
| 16:38:21 | [Saint] | You're 100% aware of the intended behavior then? |
| 16:38:54 | kugel | yes |
| 16:39:10 | kugel | you couldn't use multiple %Vs on a single line |
| 16:39:37 | kugel | the text is drawn once at the end of evaluating all tags |
| 16:39:50 | kugel | with a single possible style |
| 16:40:32 | copper | brb |
| 16:40:35 | kugel | and that you couldn't start the style at the beginning of the line rather than the beginning of the text was a limitation of the code in pre-put_line() days |
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| 17:42:08 | copper | erm |
| 17:42:16 | copper | turns out I don't even need %Vs(invert) |
| 17:44:15 | [Saint] | :) |
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| 17:45:34 | copper | still, a bug got fixed |
| 17:49:31 | copper | gah |
| 17:49:51 | copper | the solutions for the whole thing eluded me for quite a while |
| 17:51:06 | copper | themeing is so quirky |
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| 18:48:32 | copper | amayer: I fixed the colors, now you should be able to use Basta-Blue.cfg, set the battery display to "numeric", and have something that looks a lot like Googley-Blue |
| 18:48:50 | copper | http://caudec.net/rockbox/latest/Basta.zip |
| 18:48:55 | copper | http://caudec.net/rockbox/Basta.png/ |
| 18:49:06 | copper | aaaand, my work is done. |
| 18:49:54 | copper | you'll also note that all colors are RGB 565 compliant, as opposed to the Googley themes that used RGB 888 backdrops, which ended up dithered by Rockbox |
| 18:50:18 | copper | not that it should make a huge difference visually on the device itself, but it's, like, erm, cleaner :P |
| 18:51:02 | copper | it's also more functional than Googley |
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| 19:50:08 | amayer | copper: what does it do differently then googley? I see somethings are in different spots, and Icons are turned off. |
| 19:51:23 | copper | other than what you can see on the screenshots, the big difference is that it doesn't use backdrop or images for the status bar |
| 19:51:44 | copper | and the colors of the status bar can be changed in the Theme Settings → Colors menu |
| 19:51:50 | copper | with the Rockbox color picker |
| 19:52:13 | copper | while you were limited with Googley to the colors that I chose myself, you can now use whatever colors you like |
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| 19:53:25 | copper | it's something that I've wanted to do for a while, but couldn't figure out |
| 19:53:51 | amayer | I like the googley status bar a little better. the white bars and the HD indicator |
| 19:54:04 | copper | eh |
| 19:54:08 | amayer | but changes colors is a super cool feature |
| 19:54:30 | copper | the googley status bar was wasting useful real estate, IMO |
| 19:55:02 | copper | the other difference is that Basta is set for 14pt fonts only, contrary to Googley which can handle 14pt and 19pt |
| 19:55:34 | copper | with Googley I was trying to please people who need a larger font, but with this kind of layout, there's not enough space for a larger font |
| 19:55:37 | copper | (IMO) |
| 19:57:19 | copper | I have other themes available for people who need a larger font |
| 19:57:22 | amayer | copper: you do continue to amaze me with your themes tho :) |
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| 19:57:27 | copper | thanks :) |
| 19:58:17 | copper | there's a nearly pristine iPod 2G for sale on eBay at 20 bucks, ending in 20 minutes, if anyone wanna snipe it https://outpost.fr/kfR |
| 19:58:18 | amayer | after you stared makeing themes I stopped because I just ended up using yours anyway. and ive been super busy with paying side projects... I wish I could devote more time to rockbox. |
| 19:58:38 | kugel | copper: what happened? |
| 19:58:48 | copper | kugel: ? |
| 19:58:59 | kugel | you said you dont need Vs |
| 19:59:23 | copper | yeah I figured out that not only did I not needed, I shouldn't use it in this particular case |
| 19:59:28 | copper | need it* |
| 19:59:32 | kugel | why? |
| 19:59:55 | copper | because I thought I was stuck with the user settable white background color |
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| 20:00:08 | copper | so I used fg to set the color of the status bar |
| 20:00:33 | copper | then I figured out that I could have a big white viewport beneath everything else |
| 20:00:53 | copper | to "lock" the white background no matter what the user settable bg color is set to |
| 20:01:15 | kugel | the color is now used only for the top bar? |
| 20:01:21 | copper | yup |
| 20:01:26 | copper | everything else is forced |
| 20:02:12 | amayer | copper: what does statusbar_border do? and is it a transparent bitmap? |
| 20:02:20 | copper | yeah, 30% black |
| 20:02:38 | copper | to produce the same effect that was "hardcoded" into the backdrops in Googley |
| 20:02:51 | amayer | o.O I didnt know you could have a transparent bitmap |
| 20:03:00 | copper | yeah [Saint] told me about it a while ago |
| 20:03:08 | copper | 32 bit ARGB |
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| 20:04:40 | amayer | the battery is black but white in the theme? is it some kind of mask? |
| 20:05:38 | copper | 1 bit |
| 20:05:52 | copper | black takes the fg color, white takes the bg color |
| 20:06:26 | copper | amayer: btw, there's still the "Status Bar" theme setting trick for changing the last metadata line in the WPS |
| 20:06:50 | amayer | cool :) |
| 20:06:55 | copper | codec with Status Bar Off, next track with Status Bar Top, alternating line with Status Bar Bottom |
| 20:07:26 | copper | and the first two also alternate when pressing pause |
| 20:08:01 | amayer | I might modify this a little just to get the color changing functionality but for my personal tasted the extra info in the status bar and playing bar are a little overkill |
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| 20:19:54 | copper | about the icons, I figured that they never helped me visually to access items faster |
| 20:20:30 | copper | I actually dislike them now |
| 20:20:56 | amayer | I dont use them often but I have some bands that have a mix of folders and music in the same folder. and I make alot of bookmarks for podcasts... so i use them on occasion |
| 20:21:15 | kugel | copper: you can still provide them. there's a setting to disable icons |
| 20:21:21 | amayer | did you totally take them out of the theme? |
| 20:22:42 | copper | kugel: I'm actually using an "empty" icon file in order to add a slight margin to the left of the menu |
| 20:23:06 | copper | I need it so that the selection includes that margin |
| 20:23:46 | copper | without that trick, it wouldn't look as good |
| 20:24:00 | kugel | there is a margin automatically due to the scrollbar |
| 20:25:42 | copper | the scrollbar is set to the right in my themes |
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| 20:28:54 | kugel | oh |
| 20:29:09 | kugel | i dislike no icons |
| 20:29:18 | kugel | but that's my personal opinion of course |
| 20:33:44 | copper | design requires choices |
| 20:34:41 | copper | and last time I tried to accomodate everyone, I nearly went nuts :P |
| 20:35:28 | copper | the thing being, that everyone has their own pet peeve, but it's never the same one |
| 20:35:49 | copper | one guy wants a big font, another wants next track info, another wants icons, etc |
| 20:36:00 | [Saint] | Why not shift the menu with a ui viewport instead? |
| 20:36:14 | copper | [Saint]: I don't know what you mean? |
| 20:36:27 | [Saint] | Instead of transparent icons. |
| 20:36:45 | copper | can you translate that in theme markup? |
| 20:37:05 | [Saint] | Not on my phone at 6am ;) |
| 20:37:19 | copper | I use %Vi() for the menu |
| 20:37:48 | copper | shifting it will also shift the current selection in the menu |
| 20:39:32 | copper | I don't know how I can specify a margin within the UI viewport |
| 20:39:55 | kugel | yea, you can't |
| 20:40:50 | [Saint] | Ah, right. I see. Hmmm. |
| 20:41:14 | [Saint] | I had to solve this by using my own custom build, sadly. As I think losing icons is a huge usability issue. |
| 20:41:44 | [Saint] | I just used magic to append a single space to the start of every list item string. |
| 20:42:12 | [Saint] | But that had the huge disadvantage of only working for *that one theme*, on *that one build*. :) |
| 20:44:04 | copper | meh |
| 20:44:40 | copper | %?C<%Vd(art)|%Vd(noart)> doesn't work after switching to a different theme |
| 20:44:46 | copper | it works again after rebooting |
| 20:45:03 | [Saint] | If you don't have show extensions on, it becomes impossible to navigate. |
| 20:45:06 | [Saint] | re: icons. |
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| 20:45:15 | copper | uh? |
| 20:45:37 | copper | define "impossible to navigate" |
| 20:45:54 | [Saint] | If you use the file browser, then you're pretty much fucked for telling whats a folder and whats a file. |
| 20:45:56 | kugel | can't tell the difference between folders and files |
| 20:46:17 | copper | then show the extension, or fix your directory tree |
| 20:46:48 | copper | I don't really want to picture what kind of awful directory structure would be a problem with that |
| 20:46:55 | kugel | "you need to fix your files to use this theme"? |
| 20:47:03 | [Saint] | Nice attitude. |
| 20:48:03 | copper | my attitude is to make choices |
| 20:48:20 | kugel | perhaps you can have a theme variant with icons |
| 20:48:46 | copper | and I have zero problems navigating my collection |
| 20:48:59 | copper | I don't have random directories everywhere |
| 20:49:10 | copper | and showing file extensions is an easy fix |
| 20:49:27 | copper | don't you show file extensions on your PC? |
| 20:50:20 | [Saint] | Its OK to say "I don't care, this is for my sole use case". That's fine. |
| 20:50:36 | copper | I do care |
| 20:51:08 | copper | but I don't see how showing file extensions is such a horrible workaround |
| 20:51:35 | copper | though I guess you might not see it immediately with long filenames |
| 20:52:25 | amayer | im guessing there isnt a way to force "if icons are on use this icon set and if icons are off use this blank icon set"? |
| 20:52:33 | [Saint] | with a ~18pt font it doesn't even need to be that long. |
| 20:52:54 | [Saint] | amayer: nope. the clue is on the question. |
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| 20:53:01 | [Saint] | "if icons are off" |
| 20:53:06 | [Saint] | If icons are off, they're off. |
| 20:53:43 | amayer | i wasnt sure if it was like "statusbar: on" then have %wd in the theme |
| 20:54:18 | amayer | "icons: on" %weird rule that ignores all settings and puts icon on anyway |
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| 20:55:10 | [Saint] | the only setting it could ignore that is relevant is "icons: off" |
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| 20:55:38 | amayer | by setting an icon theme to: - |
| 20:55:47 | amayer | yeah... |
| 20:56:26 | [Saint] | That's saying "there's no icons file here", basically. |
| 20:56:33 | amayer | yup |
| 20:56:52 | [Saint] | But icons: on won't override that. |
| 20:57:19 | [Saint] | Well, icons are still techincally "on", just...there's nothing to display. |
| 20:57:40 | [Saint] | So nothing is actually being ignored. |
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| 20:58:27 | [Saint] | There just isn't a way to display icons, regardless of the loaded iconset, when icons: off is set. |
| 20:58:58 | copper | eh, there's an easy fix |
| 20:59:10 | copper | I'll just create my own icon set |
| 20:59:12 | [Saint] | supply two icons strips? |
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| 21:00:56 | [Saint] | the uploader might bitch about that though - I dunno. Not sure how it feels about "extra" bitmaps. |
| 21:01:11 | [Saint] | I'm sure you've tested its limits in this regard before. |
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| 21:02:00 | [Saint] | If it does cry about it, you could trick it - but I'm not sure I should say how until it becomes and issue, if it becomes an issue, and probably not in public. :) |
| 21:03:21 | amayer | do I need the newest build for the basta theme? |
| 21:03:32 | [Saint] | Almost certainly. |
| 21:03:46 | [Saint] | And you should be using it anyway, really. |
| 21:04:00 | [Saint] | 3.13 is ancient. |
| 21:04:28 | amayer | I run dev builds (see: ipod 6g) |
| 21:05:17 | [Saint] | Oh - right. I misparsed the question. I see what you were asking now. |
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| 21:15:17 | copper | 19:03:21 UTC <amayer> do I need the newest build for the basta theme? |
| 21:15:19 | copper | I'm not sure |
| 21:15:28 | copper | I'm not using %Vs(invert) anymore |
| 21:15:47 | amayer | i updated JIC] |
| 21:15:51 | copper | [Saint]: I'll just make an icon set that I can live with |
| 21:16:09 | copper | to address the issue of menu item type (not just files and directories) |
| 21:16:49 | copper | thanks for pointing it out |
| 21:29:54 | copper | is there a list of type indexes? |
| 21:29:59 | copper | for the icons file |
| 21:30:04 | copper | what is 0, what is 1, etc |
| 21:30:42 | [Saint] | No, its used fairly inconsistently throughout some places too iirc. |
| 21:31:29 | [Saint] | The options are basically refer to source, or look and see what cabbie is doing. |
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| 21:37:31 | copper | ugh |
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| 21:38:50 | [Saint] | There was at one point I assume the intention of "this is the foo icon, and this is the bar icon, and this is the baz icon", but as more and more things got added over time people just started picking the one that looked right in a particular setting it seems. |
| 21:39:26 | [Saint] | Its /mostly/ consistent. |
| 21:40:00 | [Saint] | viewer icons are downright messed up, though. |
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| 22:01:15 | ulmutul | What does "HAVE_SDL" exactly mean? Simulator something? |
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| 22:26:57 | kugel | AlexP: ping |
| 22:29:47 | kugel | ulmutul: it means we link to SDL |
| 22:29:59 | kugel | like in the simulator or for some forms of RaaA |
| 22:31:07 | ulmutul | Yes, I found out is has to do with the simulator... what is SDL? |
| 22:32:31 | ulmutul | ... or what does the acronym stand for? |
| 22:33:22 | kugel | http://www.libsdl.org/ |
| 22:36:26 | ulmutul | Ah ok. I was curious because of button-sdl vs. button-target. |
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