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03:09:01[Saint]Is it fair to say, do you think, that ffc000 is "The color of Rockbox"?
03:09:43[Saint]IS that the correct value? That's what I'm pulling off the logo.
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08:05:18wodzmeasure this I'd say
08:10:17copperbasically, that head-fier says that the lineout doesn't produce the full voltage when the volume on the iPod is set too low with the touch wheel
08:10:20coppersounds like a bug
08:11:05copperit should have zero effect on the lineout
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08:21:56wodzcopper: I say again, measure this. If this is the case it is either hw or sw bug (the letter more likely)
08:23:20copperI don't have an iPod Video and the guy in question is probably clueless about such things
08:23:51copperI mean he's the guy who says one should boost the 18kHz band alone by 6-10 dB for the sound to "open up"
08:24:10copper"to hear the Rockbox sound quality", he says
08:24:56wodzah, so ignore him by definition
08:25:10copperjust because he's clueless, doesn't mean there's a bug
08:25:18copperthere's not*
08:25:29copperanother one confirms: "+1, the 5g or 5.5g has no sound from line out if the headphone volume is too low or muted.
08:25:32copperClassic 7g's line out is completely independent of the click volume control."
08:27:05wodzas far as I understand this two describe two different behaviors
08:28:26wodzthat is line out *SHOULD* be volume independent
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08:40:56[Saint]copper: he's correct.
08:42:13[Saint]re: iPod 5/5.5G line out.
08:43:54copperhow come?
08:44:01[Saint]saratoga once explained it to me, but I don't recall enough details to feel comfortable about redescribing the behavior.
08:44:12[Saint]I can say it's not a bug.
08:45:06[Saint]Its non-obvious, but its not a bug I don't think. Here's hoping saratoga sees this and jumps in.
08:46:09[Saint]Torne would probably know too but I'd have to try poking him in *-community
08:50:22copperok, thanks
08:51:12coppernow they'll just play with the wiggle room to find out the right setting that makes Rockbox "really shine"
08:51:58[Saint]Sell them some magic pebbles to tune the room space.
08:52:07[Saint]Oh. And some microdots.
08:52:27[Saint]And sine $25,000 cables from Coconut Audio.
08:53:27copper[Saint]: got a 1080p theme for RaaAaaAaA?
08:53:55[Saint](If you haven't already heard of patrick82/Coconut Audio hoo boy, have fun)
08:54:05[Saint]And, no. I don't.
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09:17:27copperspeaking of measurements, I've got some RMAAing to do
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09:21:17bagiI'm working on a custom tag navi for my podcasts and I wanted to for some help
09:21:58bagiI'm working on a custom tag navi for my podcasts and I wanted to ask for some help
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09:24:57bagiI'm working on a custom tagnavi file and wanted some help with sorting my podcasts
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10:23:12[Saint]# Metadata
10:23:12DBUGEnqueued KICK [Saint]
10:23:30[Saint]%ac%?fv<%(vbr%) |>%fb kbit/s %fc
10:23:32[Saint]%ac%Sx(Next Track:)
10:23:47[Saint]Sorry. :-/
10:25:04copperyour work is now in the public domain
10:26:05[Saint]Oh noes!
10:29:34[Saint]ffc000, 000000 and cccccc contrast really well.
10:31:23[Saint]A couple of big solid strips of "the color Rockbox" as a header/footer for icons/UI tabs on a flat black background.
10:31:37[Saint]With large flat black media icons.
10:32:47[Saint]It looks vaguely like VLC, I guess. I still need to finish up the icons and re-do a few things for optimal code instad of just getting it functional.
10:33:23[Saint]Quite a bit more pieces of art to finish, which I largely suck at - but I'm getting there.
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12:30:45copper[Saint]: aren't current icon sets and fonts pretty much unusable with RaaA on a 1080p smartphone?
12:31:00copper(too small)
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13:34:19xza23Anyone please help me
13:34:45xza23I've saw that rockbox has an IRC channel so I joined
13:34:56xza23I have an issue
13:34:59copperask your question
13:35:05pamauryxza23: state your problem, if anyone knows he/she will answer
13:35:16xza23the brightness of my saansa clip+ is very low
13:36:01coppereh, I have the same problem
13:36:13xza23I tried to put the contrast to 50 and I've searched the whole internet(Google)
13:36:25copperxza23: for me, banging the clip against a hard surface like a table, fixes it
13:36:46copperI'm not responsibly for any damages your clip will incur by doing that :P
13:37:05xza23The original firmware of Sandisk
13:37:18xza23the device give a normal brightness
13:37:34xza23So I don't know what to do
13:38:33pamaurycopper: does the OF has correct brightness too ?
13:38:40pamauryif so that's a bug which should be fixed
13:39:04xza23what is OF?
13:39:16copperOriginal Firmware
13:39:30xza23yea pammaury
13:39:41xza23the of has normal brightness
13:39:57xza23Rockbox on the other hand no
13:41:39xza23And one more thing how to root the device like this firmware/export/config/sansaclipplus.h
13:41:57xza23how to get into this file
13:42:34pamauryI'm not sure what you mean, this file is part of our source tree
13:43:08xza23how to get into the sound and brightness file a configuration file
13:43:27pamaurystrangely, the Clip+ defines contrast in range 0-50, but hardware can go from 0-256, and in one variant the value is actually multiplied by 5/2
13:43:31smuratxQuestion of a noob, does rockbox add flac support to Sony NWZ-E370/E380 ?
13:44:03pamaurysmuratx: yes Rockbox can read those
13:44:33pamauryhowever battery life is not as good as in original firmware unfortunately, and installation has to be done manually for the moment
13:44:33xza23how to make rockbox go till 256?
13:44:54pamauryxza23: you would need to recompile Rockbox, however I advise caution
13:45:01xza23how to do that?
13:45:05pamauryit would be better to understand why the code is like this
13:45:41smuratxpamaury : thank you, the decision will then go to Sony instead of Sansa Clip Zip :)
13:45:46xza23I've searched all over rockbox directory and i couldn't find anything
13:45:51pamaurycommon says: * variant 0: has 132 pixel wide framebuffer, max brightness about 50
13:45:51pamaury * variant 1: has 128 pixel wide framebuffer, max brightness about 128
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13:46:25pamaurysmuratx: personally, I don't really like the NWZ-E370
13:46:29pamaurypoor screen, no hold button
13:46:59xza23so where is the config file?
13:47:01pamauryxza23:in firmware/export/config/sansaclipplus.h
13:47:16xza23exactly how do i get into there?
13:47:44pamauryyou need to download the source code if you want to recompile it
13:47:59xza23and where should i putthe file?
13:48:38pamaurynowhere, you need to recompile, as explained here, it's far from trivial
13:48:56pamauryyou can't just put one file on the device and expect it to work like this
13:48:59smuratxpamaury : if put aside all facts and compare on sound quality RB+Sansa is better than RB+Sony 384?
13:49:31xza23can it brick my device?
13:49:48xza23or i could restore to the original version?
13:50:10pamauryxza23: if you only change the main binary (and not the bootloader), no it should not, you can always roll back to a previous version of rockbox or boot the OF
13:50:24xza23okey tnx
13:51:18pamaurysmuratx: I can't tell for sure, some people did test the sound quality of the imx233 (the chip inside the sony) (on another player but I expected similar results), it was good but I think the clip+ is better, zip I don't know
13:51:33pamaurycopper: do you remember some forum threads on sound quality of the clip zip ?
13:54:26xza23CrossCompiler What to choose? gcc or binutils>
13:55:58pamauryxza23: for the cross compiler, I strongly advise the automatic script (
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13:56:09pamauryare you running linux ?
13:56:54pamauryhum, not good
13:57:31pamauryyou either need to run it in cygwin, or in some virtual machine
13:57:42xza23but wait gcc or bntulies?
13:57:55xza23i can't find download for
13:58:06pamauryactually it's probably simpler if I just build one for you, assuming you only want to change the contrast for testing
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13:58:52xza23i want it to be on max but if it's possible it to be from 0-256
13:59:31pamauryfirst, can you boot rockbox and go into the debug menu (System > Debug > HW info)
14:00:00xza23I barley see something
14:00:20pamauryis there a lcd variant displayed ? I don't recall actually
14:00:44smuratxthanks pamaury , as clip+ and zip have same chip sq should be also same
14:01:17xza23what's sq?
14:02:29xza23pamaury ok i'm there what to tell you?
14:02:40smuratxsound quality
14:03:36pamauryxza23: wait, I'm looking my clip+ to check, I've not used it in a long time
14:03:53xza23oh ok sorry
14:06:45pamauryxza23: ok sorry, got into System > Debug > Show I/O ports
14:07:03pamaurythere should be a line with "GPIOB: xy", give me xy
14:07:33xza23to tell if it's there?
14:07:37xza23in my device?
14:09:08xza23i don't know i can't find it in what page is it?
14:09:58pamauryOn your device, in the main menu, go into System, into Debug, then into View I/O port
14:10:05pamaury(all in Rockbox of course)
14:10:36xza23found it
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14:10:43xza23but i didn't see xy
14:10:52pamauryof course, you should see a value
14:11:35pamauryok thank you
14:12:08pamaurynow, same procedure: System > Debug > View HW Info
14:12:27pamauryit should display "AMSv2 variant x", give me x
14:12:30pamauryit should be 0 or 1
14:14:50pamauryweird, so with contrast at 50 you can't see anything ?
14:15:00pamauryhas it always been like this ?
14:15:24xza23i 'll send you a picture
14:17:51pamauryfunman: ping
14:18:51pamauryI'll be back in 15 min, I'll send you the build
14:19:02xza23ok tnx
14:19:15xza23ii'm download the webcam software
14:19:49pamaurycopper: wasn't this contrast problem raised before on the clip+ forum thread ?
14:20:18coppermine is a refurb
14:20:29copperand I got a full refund
14:20:35coppereven though it's working
14:21:12pixelmadoes the clip+ still have a brightness setting - if so maybe there is some confusion between contrast and brightness on this display (if the latter still exist)?
14:21:44pixelmait could possibly also help to see xza23's config.cfg file, I guess
14:23:52xza23I can show you the
14:24:15xza23but it won't help because it's already on the max
14:25:04xza23if it's possible to make it till 256 instead of 50 and making the brightness higher
14:25:42copper11:38:33 UTC <pamaury> copper: does the OF has correct brightness too ?
14:25:46copperactually no
14:25:58copperit's definitely a hardware problem for me (hence the banging on the table)
14:26:27copperalso, I don't follow Clip threads
14:28:39xza23in the original frimware it's very high
14:30:59xza23here is the pic
14:31:01pamauryxza23: ok I the build, let me try it on mine first
14:34:55pamauryon mine above 50 makes no difference
14:36:16pamauryI put 100 as a max value
14:42:50xza23same shit
14:43:07xza23from 50 till 100 no changes screen is very dim
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14:44:01xza23when it receives power(usb connection) the screen is brighter'
14:46:13xza23a bit brighter
14:49:25pamauryol so the problem is not contrast
14:49:36xza23I guess
14:51:30xza23i'll restore it to the of and wait for a new update
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15:46:53saratoga[Saint]: Buschel has a detailed explanation on the Flyspray task where he committed the code, but basically the line out and headphone out share one of two amplifiers each has, so to use the full volume range on headphone you must also lower the volume on line out
15:47:11saratogai think apple works around this by just disallowing lower volumes
15:47:31saratogaor maybe they detect that the line out is hooked up and max the amp gain
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16:17:46[Saint]copper: there you go, that. ^
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16:59:39[Saint][22:30:47] <copper> [Saint]: aren't current icon sets and fonts pretty much unusable with RaaA on a 1080p smartphone?
16:59:48[Saint]Do you want me to make you a set?
17:02:43coppernah, I was just wondering
17:03:11copperthe fixed pixel approach is getting awfully inadequate for current displays
17:03:34copperI hear they're going to put "2K displays" on smartphones soon?
17:03:47copperjust for the sake of advertising higher numbers
17:05:18copperyay 1080x1920 BMPs
17:05:25copper(and up)
17:06:11copper6 megabytes o_O
17:07:02[Saint]Just do, um, if memory serves, something like r/rockbox/icons$ ./ -t ./tango-svg/ my_cool_massive_iconset 128 && ./ -v -t ./tango-svg/ -o my_cool_massive_iconset 128
17:07:45[Saint]And you'll end up with my_cool_massive_iconset.128x128.bmp and my_cool_massive_iconset_viewers.128x128.bmp
17:08:12[Saint]The SVG files needed to generate the default iconstrip are in the source.
17:11:17[Saint]Wow - they come out looking really nice at 128px
17:11:27[Saint]64 doesn't look too bad either.
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21:18:55xza23So guess what the problem was not the rockbox but the device
21:19:26xza23and when do you think(if it's possible) rockbox will be on clip sport?
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21:27:45pamauryxza23: no one is working on the clip sport, the chip inside is too weird
21:28:55xza23so i'll disassemble the clip+ and I'll buy the sport it looks promising
21:29:21xza23do you know where I can get the sansa clip+ screen only?
21:30:10pamaurybut I'm not so sure it's a hardware problem, if it works in the OF
21:30:30pamaurymaybe Rockbox is missing some hardware setuo
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21:32:49_wodz_pamaury: maybe its time to port hwstub to amsv2
21:32:50xza23i'll use the device as a storage unit
21:33:22_wodz_xza23: you can use voice interface of rockbox
21:33:27pamaury_wodz_: yeah, but we have this annoying problem with the usb driver
21:33:32xza23how to do that
21:34:33_wodz_xza23: check the manual, I never used it personaly
21:34:59pamauryxza23: use RockboxUtility to produce the voice files
21:35:09xza23okay downloaded
21:35:17xza23how to activate them?
21:36:00pamaurythey should activate automatically with the default setting iirc
21:36:26xza23so when i press something it tells me what is it??
21:36:27_wodz_pamaury: maybe control ep only will work sufficiently well
21:36:47xza23look guys i have no idea how to activate them
21:37:02_wodz_xza23: look guy, read the f*** manual
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21:40:56xza23didn't help
21:41:23xza23the voice activates automatically?
21:42:27pamaury_wodz_: yeah you're right, might work with control only
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21:44:05xza23doesn't work
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22:20:39xza23pamaury that other today that helped along side with you his method as he told me to hit the device on the other side(the back) and it worked
22:20:58xza23the screen now workes haha
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23:26:48th_mHi, there are a couple of mp3s that don't work in rockbox. They work without a problem on my desktop PC. The files have never worked on rockbox (at least since I have the files). Just tried it again on 3.13 and the latest dev build. If there is a dev available I can share the link to the file.
23:28:01th_mI have also tried it on more than one device (e200 , clip v1,2 and clip+)
23:31:40th_mthe not working part is that the mp3s are not played at all and rockbox skips them until it finds an mp3 it does understand.
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