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| 00:06:32 | [Saint] | Klarion: as soon as you involve a PC, you may as well cut Rockbox out of the picture entirely, its unnecessary. |
| 00:07:09 | [Saint] | ...however, we have been thinking for a few years solid that we need a plot visualization for the parametric EQ. |
| 00:07:14 | [Saint] | On device, though. |
| 00:07:42 | Klarion | but how would you do that on Clip+ for example? |
| 00:07:48 | gevaerts | [Saint]: you presumably only use the PC while tweaking the EQ |
| 00:08:08 | Klarion | with such small screen |
| 00:08:34 | [Saint] | We manage to display the EQ there, a plot wouldn;t be any different. |
| 00:08:44 | [Saint] | screens scroll. |
| 00:09:10 | Klarion | but wouldn't it be easier to have a big image on PC? much better view |
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| 00:09:48 | [Saint] | Possibly, but, when you involve a PC you may as well just use it to equalize your IEMS and not involve Rockbox at all... |
| 00:10:33 | Klarion | well, you see, not every mp3 player and PC will have equal freq. response. |
| 00:10:45 | alexbobp | 17:06:34 < [Saint]> Klarion: as soon as you involve a PC, you may as well cut Rockbox out of the picture entirely, its unnecessary. |
| 00:10:59 | alexbobp | rockbox already has a feature that precoputes stuff on the pc |
| 00:11:03 | alexbobp | text to speech for track names |
| 00:11:45 | alexbobp | and Klarion is right, you need to at least be using the audio jack on the actual player for testing an eq setting |
| 00:12:24 | [Saint] | I don't think he's *right*, but, there's a point to be made there. |
| 00:12:35 | alexbobp | well he's right on that specific point |
| 00:12:41 | [Saint] | I'm also not terribly certain that the voice case aligns with this too well, but, hey. |
| 00:12:43 | alexbobp | on the broader question, I think this could all be done without the pc at all |
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| 00:13:32 | [Saint] | But, anyway, yes. We've been musing about adding a real time plot to the EQ for a few years. |
| 00:13:39 | [Saint] | Mr. Someone hasn;t done it, though. |
| 00:14:04 | Klarion | it would be a lot easier to make just an image same for every player that you can only view on PC. In comparison to making different images for every player, cuz every player has different screen |
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| 00:14:46 | [Saint] | Patches welcome. |
| 00:15:51 | alexbobp | Klarion: rockbox already has themes, which involve making a bunch of images for every player :P |
| 00:16:51 | [Saint] | I think part of the "problem" here is that most people that care about this are already quite capable of equalizing their IEMs without such a feature. |
| 00:17:28 | alexbobp | hehe probably :P |
| 00:17:37 | alexbobp | that's why the feature never occured to me I guess |
| 00:17:39 | Klarion | It would just be faster and easier with graph. |
| 00:17:58 | alexbobp | well I think we can conclude that we all agree it would be a nice feature |
| 00:18:06 | alexbobp | but someone has to code it and [Saint] doesn't think it's a high priority :P |
| 00:18:23 | [Saint] | Someone might. |
| 00:18:46 | alexbobp | yeah! |
| 00:19:04 | [Saint] | To be honest, though, the reason for adding this wouldn;t revolve around power users. |
| 00:19:07 | alexbobp | [Saint] saying he doesn't consider it a huge priority is not the same as shooting it down as out of scope or a bad idea |
| 00:19:19 | [Saint] | It would be to get Joe Average to actually understand how to use a parametric EQ. |
| 00:20:03 | [Saint] | That's where I would see a realtime plot being particularly useful. |
| 00:20:12 | gevaerts | [Saint]: how many people do you know who master a parametric EQ without help? |
| 00:20:12 | alexbobp | I would have to agree that making this thing where it renders on the PC would be more work and have little benefit |
| 00:20:17 | alexbobp | I don't think it takes a lot of pixels |
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| 00:21:04 | [Saint] | Right. |
| 00:21:04 | Klarion | ummm, more work to make just one universal image than coding it for every player and every screen? |
| 00:21:12 | alexbobp | but it wouldn't be an *image* |
| 00:21:16 | alexbobp | it would be a rendered plot :P |
| 00:21:21 | [Saint] | ^ this |
| 00:21:24 | alexbobp | and one piece of code can just look up what pixel area it has access to, and render to that |
| 00:21:38 | [Saint] | ^ very this. |
| 00:21:47 | alexbobp | the conway's game of life app also does not have a different bitmap for each device >_> |
| 00:21:50 | * | alexbobp ducks |
| 00:22:05 | [Saint] | alexbobp: But, hey, that's life. ;) |
| 00:22:10 | * | [Saint] puts on his shades |
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| 01:10:22 | Klarion | does ReplayGain stop clipping automatically in most of the songs? |
| 01:11:24 | Klarion | or does Prevent Clipping need to be ON to stop any track from clipping? |
| 01:14:07 | Klarion | if I use MP3gain on a track that's clipping it will not clip anymore in most cases, is it same with ReplayGain? |
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| 01:41:07 | [Saint] | Klarion: Uuuuuugggghhhh...don't use mp3gain. |
| 01:41:16 | [Saint] | Its really really stupid. |
| 01:41:52 | [Saint] | Use replaygain, which is A: doesn't modify the files beyond metadata, and B: is reversible. |
| 01:42:20 | [Saint] | And, to answer your question, replaygain with a suitable precut should be entirely sufficient. |
| 01:43:36 | [Saint] | I feel like I shouldn;t need to say this, but, people often surprise me - remember replaygain is completely useless without having first scanned the tracks and adding track/album gain tags. |
| 01:44:14 | [Saint] | (you might laugh at that, but a lot of people have no idea of this and will swear that it works despite not actually having any replaygain metadata) |
| 01:44:30 | [Saint] | (it doesn't. ;)) |
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| 01:45:17 | Klarion | I think mp3gain is reversible and I'm not sure about quality loss in mp3gain. I didn't see anything to confirm that |
| 01:45:34 | [Saint] | As far as I see it there's only one valid use for mp3gain, and even then "valid" is debatable. |
| 01:46:04 | [Saint] | Its only for cases where there's no replaygain, and I would suggest in today's day and age to just stop using said product. |
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| 01:47:12 | Klarion | I was asking because, example: I use mp3gain -track gain- on a song that's clipping - as a result it doesn't clip anymore. So, I was asking is it the same with ReplayGain(or does it only lower the volume and you have to enable Prevent Clipping in RB) |
| 01:47:46 | [Saint] | Use a suitable precut and it shouldn;t be an issue. |
| 01:47:56 | Klarion | precut or preamp? |
| 01:48:10 | Klarion | I'm not using any precut |
| 01:48:33 | [Saint] | Errr, sorry, pre-amp, yes. |
| 01:48:51 | Klarion | I would but I don't have enough volume |
| 01:49:23 | [Saint] | -6dB is a general "go-to" default that will work for pretty much evryone in a wide range of situations. |
| 01:50:14 | [Saint] | It sounds like you're in desperate need of a personal amplifier. |
| 01:51:13 | Klarion | that's one solution |
| 01:51:22 | [Saint] | If line level (-6dB pre-amp, lets say), is too quiet, you're either deaf or should invest in new hardware. |
| 01:51:54 | Klarion | that's true, with eq off |
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| 01:53:03 | [Saint] | Any difference made in the EQ should be able to be compensated for. |
| 01:53:59 | Klarion | I lowered all frequencies for about 10db except for 10.5 khz to equalize it. I have this huge dip at that frequency |
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| 01:55:25 | Klarion | and another problem is that I hear a small hiss in my headphones when I'm at 7db to 0db volume level |
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| 01:55:37 | Klarion | it's loudest at 0db |
| 01:55:54 | Klarion | guess they're too sensitive or something |
| 01:57:21 | [Saint] | Pretty much all my problems in this department were thrown out the window with the purchase of a set of UE 18 Pro's. |
| 01:58:10 | [Saint] | I tried to make do with consumer grade hardware and adjusting for their downfalls in software, but it got very tedious. |
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| 01:59:04 | [Saint] | It was a ridiculously expensive purchase, but its well worth the cost. I would happily send anyone I know to UE to give them their money. |
| 01:59:12 | [Saint] | Well recommended. |
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| 02:01:10 | Klarion | I don't know, I think dual driver is enough, why would you need 6 drivers in each ear... |
| 02:04:11 | Klarion | I meant dual driver per ear |
| 02:06:12 | [Saint] | If you're in the US, UE has some generic reference drivers you can try out. |
| 02:06:32 | [Saint] | If you're not in the US, its a ~$1200 gamble. |
| 02:06:45 | [Saint] | But, its well worth it, IMO. |
| 02:07:04 | [Saint] | I find it hard to imagine life without mine now. |
| 02:08:05 | [Saint] | The difference between custom molded monitors of this quality and generic monitors is like night and day. |
| 02:12:26 | [Saint] | I'm by no means an "audiophile", by the way. |
| 02:12:53 | alexbobp | you have to insist that you can distinguish flac from wav first |
| 02:13:04 | Klarion | lol |
| 02:13:18 | [Saint] | I made a very bad investment in some Sennheiser IE8's, and then decided to "do it right" after a conversation with another user who went full-custom not long before. |
| 02:13:32 | Klarion | I don't believe in customs |
| 02:13:39 | alexbobp | customs? |
| 02:13:46 | Klarion | custom IEMs |
| 02:13:56 | alexbobp | IEMs? |
| 02:14:02 | [Saint] | In Ear Monitor |
| 02:14:05 | Klarion | I think any triple BA can be equally good |
| 02:14:14 | [Saint] | Hahahahaha....yeah, no. |
| 02:14:21 | [Saint] | Just, no. |
| 02:14:31 | alexbobp | is that what audiophiles have to call their earbuds? |
| 02:14:46 | Klarion | yup |
| 02:14:51 | alexbobp | I see |
| 02:14:53 | alexbobp | my earbuds cost $5 |
| 02:14:56 | * | alexbobp hides |
| 02:14:58 | alexbobp | I mean my IEMs |
| 02:15:03 | Klarion | not gonna talk to you anymore |
| 02:15:21 | Klarion | ;) |
| 02:15:27 | * | alexbobp cries in the corner |
| 02:15:53 | alexbobp | ok but seriously what does it mean to have custom IEMs? |
| 02:16:01 | alexbobp | custom per person? |
| 02:16:10 | Klarion | it means they mold them specially for your ear shape I think |
| 02:16:52 | alexbobp | oh haha |
| 02:16:55 | alexbobp | that sounds like it must cost a lot |
| 02:17:01 | alexbobp | I buy cheap earbuds because I break them >_> |
| 02:18:17 | [Saint] | Close on ~$1300 after audiologist appointments and a few rounds of shipping an odd sized, very fragile, box to the US a couple of times. |
| 02:18:38 | [Saint] | (NZD) |
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| 02:21:05 | Klarion | you go to audiologist for what? |
| 02:23:47 | [Saint] | Well, they can't just *guess* the shape of your inner ear... |
| 02:24:31 | alexbobp | oh jesus |
| 02:24:33 | Klarion | I thought you have to do some hearing testing as well... |
| 02:24:49 | alexbobp | I don't want inner ear buds |
| 02:24:53 | alexbobp | those are weird for me |
| 02:24:56 | Klarion | they're great |
| 02:24:57 | alexbobp | I like the ones that hang on the outer part |
| 02:25:03 | alexbobp | and don't muffle sounds around me |
| 02:25:10 | alexbobp | because I wear my earbuds all freaking day pretty much :P |
| 02:25:23 | alexbobp | at work I just pause my shit but my hair covers my ears so nobody has to know I have earbuds in when they talk to me :P |
| 02:25:56 | Klarion | but I can get an awesome seal with my generic IEM's, don't need customs for good seal or fit |
| 02:26:16 | Klarion | just a matter of finding a good ear-tips |
| 02:26:43 | alexbobp | [Saint]: any advice for good earbuds that won't remind me of yeerks? |
| 02:27:50 | Klarion | alexbobp: what is your DAP of choice? |
| 02:28:33 | alexbobp | the cheapie sandisk players. my favorite ever was the fuze with the clicky wheel. |
| 02:28:47 | alexbobp | though the sansa view will be even better if that port happens :P |
| 02:29:05 | alexbobp | mostly I just use the latest littler one, clip zip |
| 02:29:15 | Klarion | I love my fuze v2 |
| 02:29:25 | alexbobp | I really miss their hold switches but the older clips with hold switches don't have microsd card slots so that's no good |
| 02:29:33 | alexbobp | Klarion: nice :D yeah, you have my DAP of choice then |
| 02:29:41 | [Saint] | iPod Video 5.5G with the "thin" (30GB) backplate and a 256GB SSD. |
| 02:30:00 | [Saint] | (and a huge battery from a cordless phone) |
| 02:30:02 | alexbobp | jesus, haha |
| 02:30:10 | alexbobp | seems like overkill :D |
| 02:30:53 | alexbobp | one of my best things about the clip zip and the other tiny sandisk players.... you'll think I'm a horrible person to my machines... is that if they fall they just dangle from the audio cable and don't even fall off |
| 02:31:01 | alexbobp | s/best/favorite/ |
| 02:31:22 | Klarion | you two are complete opposite when it comes to audio...lol |
| 02:31:25 | [Saint] | I've got a couple of iPod Classic (6/7G) as well, one of which is SSD converted, but I like my Video. |
| 02:31:44 | Klarion | portable audio that is |
| 02:31:46 | alexbobp | I wouldn't exactly say so |
| 02:31:52 | [Saint] | I have an iPod Color with a smaller SSD, microUSB charging, and embedded BlueTooth as well. |
| 02:31:58 | [Saint] | But she's been retired. |
| 02:31:59 | alexbobp | I wouldn't mind better quality earbuds |
| 02:32:05 | alexbobp | I Just don't know what to buy that I won't break |
| 02:32:12 | * | scorche|sh thinks that we should move this over to -community |
| 02:32:19 | alexbobp | oh that's fair |
| 02:32:32 | alexbobp | only if we can move Klarion though :P |
| 02:32:42 | alexbobp | Klarion: want to join #rockbox-community for extended shooting of the poop? |
| 02:32:50 | Klarion | yeah |
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| 03:24:05 | JdGordon | [Saint]: your font pack zip on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxExtras seems to be broken... osx doesnt recognise it as a zip? |
| 03:35:29 | [Saint] | I'll re-up, it seems lots of things hate 7zip |
| 03:36:21 | [Saint] | JdGordon: you can pull the individual fonts from https://github.com/saint-lascivious/rockbox-cabbie_v2/tree/master/fonts/font-pack |
| 03:36:33 | [Saint] | (from memory the zip is a few hundred MB) |
| 03:36:45 | Klarion | how does RB's Bass function work? When you lower it to -10 for example, which frequencies get lowered exactly? |
| 03:37:31 | [Saint] | IIRC, where possible, this uses the devices DAC. |
| 03:38:04 | [Saint] | SO I'm unsure if there's an easy, global, answer to that question. |
| 03:38:23 | Klarion | hmmm, ok |
| 03:40:37 | Klarion | Bass is untill 250 Hz, right? |
| 03:41:44 | [Saint] | 30~500MHz...ish. |
| 03:42:49 | Klarion | so this chart is wrong? http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm |
| 03:45:28 | [Saint] | Not necessarily /wrong/, as this is rather subjective I suppose. |
| 03:46:06 | Klarion | it is, yeah |
| 03:46:10 | [Saint] | As far as I am aware, "bass" runs from slightly above the threshold of human hearing (16~20MHz) to ~500MHz |
| 03:46:33 | [Saint] | Lets see if anyone agrees with me... |
| 03:46:57 | [Saint] | ooooh. Wikipedia agrees with me, and we all know the word of wikipedia is gospel. ;) |
| 03:47:22 | [Saint] | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_frequency |
| 03:47:43 | [Saint] | "32 to 5122nd to 5thRhythm frequencies, where the lower and upper bass notes lie." |
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| 05:03:07 | [Saint] | I guess I should probably just give up on full width album art. |
| 05:03:39 | [Saint] | Sacrificing 480x480px to a static image presents quite some amount of problems. |
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| 06:55:43 | scorche` | forums will be down for a bit while i figure out how i am going to migrate it to the new plans my host is offering |
| 06:55:55 | scorche` | shouldnt be too long - waiting on a support ticket reply |
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| 07:00:39 | goom | rockbox for ipod gen 6 (classic) is currently being worked on, right? |
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| 07:41:01 | [Saint] | goom: Not particularly, no. |
| 07:41:12 | [Saint] | Much like Rockbox in general. |
| 07:41:19 | goom | ah ok |
| 07:41:41 | [Saint] | Its *very* functional, however. |
| 07:41:44 | goom | i've only got the 6. is the current version stable enough, or should i wait? |
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| 07:41:56 | goom | oh it is? what's missing? |
| 07:41:59 | [Saint] | Well, if you wait, you'll be waiting forever. |
| 07:42:33 | [Saint] | Its very unlikely it will receive support before this project eventually curls up and dies. |
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| 07:42:48 | [Saint] | (taking the current state of development into consideration) |
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| 07:42:51 | scorche` | hey now! |
| 07:43:12 | goom | lol |
| 07:43:44 | goom | was gen 6 harder to port than the previous versions? |
| 07:43:58 | [Saint] | Well, the developers of the bootloader don't seem to have much/any interest in making a slimmed down version that Rockbox would accept. Its a rather odd situation. |
| 07:44:23 | [Saint] | And, not particularly, to my knowledge. |
| 07:44:41 | [Saint] | The hard part was waiting for someone to come up with a usable exploit. |
| 07:45:04 | [Saint] | Regarding what's missing, very little. |
| 07:45:11 | [Saint] | IAP; dual-boot, and recording. |
| 07:45:24 | [Saint] | (iPod Accessory Protocol) |
| 07:46:44 | copper | goom: go for it |
| 07:46:50 | copper | it runs quite well now |
| 07:47:15 | goom | well then, what's preventing it from being considered 'stable'? |
| 07:47:22 | goom | :) |
| 07:47:33 | [Saint] | The fact that there's no bootloader. |
| 07:47:52 | [Saint] | It relies on a third party bootloader. |
| 07:47:57 | [Saint] | (emCORE) |
| 07:48:20 | [Saint] | So, /technically/, we don't offer any support for it. |
| 07:48:21 | copper | [Saint]: recording? |
| 07:48:30 | [Saint] | Because its impossible to install it. |
| 07:48:33 | copper | recording what and how? |
| 07:49:01 | goom | ah |
| 07:49:24 | [Saint] | Note: it is possible to install it, just not in any official capacity |
| 07:49:28 | goom | and the bootloader hasn't been finished? |
| 07:49:36 | [Saint] | copper: line in, FM |
| 07:49:39 | goom | or won't be? |
| 07:49:45 | [Saint] | goom: there isn;t one. |
| 07:49:56 | goom | alright |
| 07:50:05 | [Saint] | The freemyipod project handles emCORE, the bootloader. |
| 07:50:21 | [Saint] | The two projects aren't connected (but share a common developer) |
| 07:50:23 | goom | ah, i see |
| 07:50:28 | copper | the iPod Classic has a line-in on the dock connector? Never knew! |
| 07:50:32 | goom | well good to hear i'll still be able to use it |
| 07:50:40 | [Saint] | copper: all the iPods do |
| 07:51:00 | [Saint] | Oh, actually...possibly not the 1G? |
| 07:51:19 | copper | I don't even rememer seeing anything about recording in the OF |
| 07:51:20 | [Saint] | I'll change that "most of the iPods do, possibly all of them" ;) |
| 07:51:26 | copper | remember* |
| 07:51:32 | [Saint] | The OF doesn;t offer recording, that's why. |
| 07:51:49 | [Saint] | Doesn't mean we can't. |
| 07:51:49 | goom | well thanks anyways [Saint] :) |
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| 07:52:22 | [Saint] | goom: see - http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic |
| 07:52:37 | [Saint] | This will walk you through the install |
| 07:52:58 | [Saint] | Come poke me on #freemyipod if you have any issues. |
| 07:53:11 | [Saint] | *#freemyipod-support I mean |
| 07:53:35 | goom | alright |
| 07:53:52 | goom | and freemyipod is relatively risk-free? |
| 07:53:57 | goom | i've heard the name before |
| 07:55:42 | [Saint] | The developers are incredibly capable humans. |
| 07:55:48 | [Saint] | Installation is totally risk free. |
| 07:56:06 | [Saint] | No matter what happens with the install, restoring with iTunes will recover the device. |
| 07:56:11 | goom | alright |
| 07:56:20 | goom | though that will require me to actually open itunes :( |
| 07:56:31 | goom | heh |
| 07:56:39 | [Saint] | It *is* possible to brick these devices, but you need to be trying *very* hard. |
| 07:56:48 | [Saint] | The installation route presents no risk. |
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| 08:01:21 | goom | alright i won't do anything stupid :) |
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| 09:27:02 | [Saint] | copper: around? |
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| 09:34:04 | copper | [Saint]: pong |
| 09:36:32 | [Saint] | There's no way to do "magic foreground color w/ alpha channel" is there? |
| 09:39:57 | [Saint] | Ohhhhh...I might have figured out a way to do it. |
| 09:39:58 | copper | text? |
| 09:40:17 | [Saint] | A bitmap image. |
| 09:40:34 | copper | I use an ARGB bitmap on top of a background color |
| 09:42:13 | [Saint] | I want to colorize the slider and progress bar, and the header/status bar main color with the color picker. I understand you have some experience with this? |
| 09:42:21 | [Saint] | Well, not this exactly. But, yeah. |
| 09:42:35 | [Saint] | My understanding is you've had some success in this field. |
| 09:43:51 | copper | I'm not sure it's possible if you have a backdrop image |
| 09:44:19 | [Saint] | In general, or for the bar? |
| 09:44:28 | copper | but the idea is setting up a text viewport with just a single space character in it, and %Vb(-) %Vf(-) in it |
| 09:44:39 | copper | for the top bar |
| 09:44:43 | [Saint] | If I could use a magic foreground color, I wouldn;t necessarily need a backdrop at all. |
| 09:45:06 | copper | for the rest I set another viewport, same thing, just with a fixed color (white) |
| 09:45:37 | copper | and then you set up a viewport on top of the status bar viewport, also with %Vb(-) %Vf(-) |
| 09:45:48 | copper | for text |
| 09:45:54 | [Saint] | draw order abuse? |
| 09:45:59 | [Saint] | nice. |
| 09:46:08 | copper | well, I'm probably abusing _something_ :) |
| 09:46:26 | [Saint] | that's actually really bloody clever. |
| 09:46:37 | copper | I've tried a few things |
| 09:46:43 | copper | that method worked best, by far |
| 09:47:47 | copper | the "%Vb(-) %Vf(-)" bit is important to force default (user settable) colors while remaining independant of colors that you might want to set for, say, %Vi() |
| 09:47:57 | [Saint] | At the moment the backdrop just incorperates the top bar thing, and its "rockbox yellow", same as the bitmaps for the scrubber handle and progress bar. |
| 09:48:16 | [Saint] | But I thought it would be cool to be able to pick that color from the color picker. |
| 09:51:16 | copper | to be clear, the "bottom layer" viewport with the single space character is there to set a background color over an area that is larger than your text / icon viewports |
| 09:52:25 | copper | the text / icon layers on top of it also set a background color, but since it's the same as the botton layer, it looks as if they're all a single element |
| 09:52:29 | [Saint] | Why does it need a space? |
| 09:52:33 | [Saint] | That's...odd. |
| 09:52:44 | copper | because otherwise it doesn't draw the background color |
| 09:52:55 | [Saint] | Huh? Really? |
| 09:52:58 | copper | IIRC |
| 09:53:22 | [Saint] | I'll see if I can repro that at some stage and lodge it, unless you beat me to it. |
| 09:53:29 | [Saint] | That shouldn't be required. |
| 09:54:55 | [Saint] | I've met my old nemesis of not being able to align text on the vertical plane in a viewport |
| 09:55:30 | copper | it's strange, it doesn't seem like removing the space character is making a difference |
| 09:56:07 | copper | I could have sworn… |
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| 09:57:43 | copper | I even commented it in my code |
| 09:58:21 | user890104 | copper: when does your googley theme show date and time in the title? i've seen it once, but don't remember which menu i was in |
| 09:58:52 | copper | user890104: sbs, bottom bar, when nothing is playing |
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| 09:59:08 | copper | when playback is stopped (and FM radio stopped) |
| 09:59:12 | user890104 | ah, i see |
| 09:59:31 | copper | same for Basta, which is an evolution of Googley |
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| 10:00:34 | user890104 | i prefer the battery in percent, so i use googley |
| 10:00:55 | copper | user890104: you can use Basta and set the battery display to "numeric" |
| 10:01:03 | copper | in the theme settings |
| 10:01:33 | copper | Theme Settings → Status / Scrollbar → Battery Display |
| 10:02:02 | copper | gah, I need to put that in the theme description |
| 10:02:10 | copper | you're not the first one to complain about that |
| 10:02:22 | copper | well, not "complain" :) |
| 10:03:07 | user890104 | uhm, it doesn't have icons |
| 10:03:14 | copper | lol |
| 10:03:21 | user890104 | at least here |
| 10:03:28 | copper | yeah I know |
| 10:03:39 | user890104 | i miss them :) |
| 10:04:26 | [Saint] | I told ya' ;) |
| 10:04:34 | copper | wha' evah' |
| 10:06:25 | copper | I hate icons about as much as people hate iTunes |
| 10:06:44 | copper | in this context, anyway |
| 10:08:02 | user890104 | well, i'm used to having icons in front of the menu items |
| 10:08:19 | user890104 | so i can tell the difference between the title of the screen and the actual items |
| 10:08:37 | copper | the title of the screen is in the status bar, in my Basta theme |
| 10:08:44 | copper | as opposed to Googley |
| 10:08:47 | user890104 | ah, missed that |
| 10:10:30 | * | user890104 wishes for a theme with almost no graphics, but literally crowded with all kinds of debugging info, like cpu usage, buffer usage, format/bitrate, disk space, battery consumption, etc. |
| 10:10:58 | copper | ew |
| 10:12:28 | copper | like some hospital monitoring console? :D |
| 10:12:45 | copper | bip, bip, bip, bip… BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP |
| 10:12:54 | user890104 | lol |
| 10:13:15 | copper | code blue! code blue! |
| 10:14:27 | [Saint] | user890104: theme engine doesn't have access to the tasty bits of the OS. |
| 10:14:46 | [Saint] | It almost certainly could. But currently doesn't. |
| 10:14:47 | user890104 | having some sliders similar to those in system-debug-view buffering thread would be nice |
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