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#rockbox log for 2014-05-13

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00:50:43XyemScratch that earlier comment, I've gotten it to connect in recovery mode
00:50:54XyemIt's volume up, not down :D
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00:59:49XyemIn case anyone scans the IRC logs for this: Booting it into recovery, leaving it there for ~10 minutes and the replugging causes the Fuze to boot into "USB charge" mode and it seems to be charging okay now
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08:42:52kugelgrml, with wodz disappearance the devcon seems unlikely by now
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09:00:48wodzkugel: If you want to ask something, just ask. BTW. I was online most of yesterday
09:01:04kugeloh hey!
09:01:20kugelwodz: see -dev ml. we need a hotel
09:01:26wodzI created wiki with hotel recommendations, I read logs, read mail
09:02:07wodzkugel: Look if this fits
09:02:35wodzit is in the nearest proximity of the hosting site. Most of our guest choose this one
09:02:47kugeli didnt get a mail
09:02:53wodzit is on wiki
09:02:58kugeland I read logs, and didnt see anything of you
09:03:55*kugel watched DevCon2014
09:04:19wodzAnyway I am happy to help as much as I can. I am pretty busy though so please ping me in particular case
09:05:30wodzkugel: I just followed of the wiki scheme from the past years where DevConXXXX was general page and DevConEuroXXXX more detailed about european event
09:09:01kugelwodz: looks good
09:09:41wodzkugel: If this is too expensive I can look for hostel or something. I just picked up the one our guests tend to choos
09:10:04kugel50€ per night seems okay
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11:06:18pamaury_wodz: I'm looking for a flight for DevCon, it is easy to com from the airport right ?
11:06:57wodzfrom Warsaw 'Chopin' Airport (WAW) it is
11:06:58pamaury_also when can I arrive on friday ?
11:07:06pamaury_are these several airports ?
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11:07:38wodzpamaury_: two WAW more common but Rayanair operates from Modlin
11:08:37wodzpamaury: officially the room should be available from 17 but if you come earlier I can host you without problems in other where I work normally
11:09:26pamauryhow far is it from Modlin ?
11:10:07wodz45 minutes by coach or train
11:11:00wodzI think the train stops near the hosting location as well but I would need to check this
11:11:04pamauryok, it's not that obvious because ryanair operates from Beauvais and not Paris and it's expensive to go there, so Ryanair might only be a bit cheaper and lot more pain ^^
11:12:03wodzModlin is rather inconvenient airport. It has poor infrastructure and planes are often redirected to 'Chopin' anyway.
11:14:27pamauryryanair is 135€ both ways with trip to airport in France, without coach
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11:14:48pamaurykawaivpc1: hello, ask your question and someone might answer
11:15:02kawaivpc1I'm the guy who is suffering from ipod 5.5 gen select button
11:15:28kawaivpc1can you help me out?
11:16:22pamaurywodz: do you know if someone might stay until monday ? because leaving on sunday might not be so easy for me
11:16:23wodzpamaury: Modlin coach pricelist
11:16:51kawaivpc1my select button on Ipod 5.5 gen doesn't work on rockbox firmware
11:17:14kawaivpc1is there anyway I can switch select function to other button?
11:17:22kawaivpc1or do you know any solution to this problem?
11:17:25wodzpamaury: dunno. I can take care of you on monday if you like (aka city tour or something)
11:17:36kawaivpc1my select button isn't dead. it works well on normal apple firmware
11:18:04kawaivpc1to me, it seems like 'select' function isn't working with this button
11:18:17pamaurybecause of limited number of flights, the best I can find is Ryanair: arrive at 19:15 at Modlin on friday and leave on Monday at 8:25 from Modlin
11:18:33wodzkawaivpc1: I looked at code and I don't see anything obvious. Are you able to run debug build If I prepare you one?
11:18:55kawaivpc1I'd love to
11:19:28kawaivpc1so far, I've tried all builds
11:19:37kawaivpc1but no luck
11:19:40wodzpamaury: beware of morning flights from Modlin. This is foggy area. I tried to travel from Modlin twice and both times was redirected to Chopin.
11:20:24kawaivpc1This is Ipod 5.5 gen video. There's no other hardware issue.
11:20:54kawaivpc1the select button works well on apple firmware and iPod linux
11:21:22pamaurywodz: you mean when you arrived at the airport, you were told to go to the other ?
11:21:22wodzkawaivpc1: That is strange as AFAIK the code for button handling comes from ipod linux
11:21:48wodzpamaury: basically yes. They provided bus free of charge BUT it is time costly procedure
11:21:58kawaivpc1yeah... this is weird
11:22:34kawaivpc1can you try to send me a build that has select function on wheel?
11:22:39kawaivpc1maybe on the right click?
11:22:58kawaivpc1that will definitely solve this problem
11:23:14wodzkawaivpc1: Does the scrollwheel work otherwise in rb? I mean scrolling and menu?
11:23:24kawaivpc1yup it works very well
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11:23:42kawaivpc1everything works except select function
11:23:56pamaury_wodz: because as long as they inform before, going to either airport is fine
11:24:00kawaivpc1hold button, scroll, etc
11:24:23kawaivpc1the firmware behaves normal too
11:24:27wodzpamaury: the point is they inform you when you are in Modlin waiting for the flight :-)
11:25:32kawaivpc1any ideas?
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11:25:56wodzkawaivpc1: give me some time please. I have other work to do as well
11:26:07kawaivpc1I will wait
11:26:14kawaivpc1take your time buddy
11:28:17pamaurywodz: ok, I'm going to search a bit more and buy the ticket this afternoon
11:30:11wodzkawaivpc1: according to the sim, left/right should allow you to navigate. Are you able to reach System->Debug screen?
11:30:44kawaivpc1the only thing I can do is scrolling
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11:30:56kawaivpc1I can't move to anywhere
11:31:22kawaivpc1left and right don't work
11:35:02copper[Saint]: received my ZIF to CF to SDXC adapter for the iPod
11:35:36[Saint]Oh cool.
11:35:46[Saint]You should replace the battery while you're at it.
11:36:10[Saint]It might mean waiting a while longer to get it up and running, but it'll be totally worth it.
11:36:22[Saint](for the sake of only having to open it the once)
11:36:35wodz[Saint]: have you ever heard of kawaivpc1's problem before?
11:37:15[Saint]wodz: kawaivpc1: let me catch up on the logs - one minute please.
11:37:41kawaivpc1this is my problem
11:38:15kawaivpc1I'm using the latest build on 5.5 gen
11:38:44[Saint]I have absolutely no idea how this could happen.
11:38:54[Saint]It doesn't make any sense _at all_. :-/
11:39:00kawaivpc1yeah exactly
11:39:14kawaivpc1the button works perfectly well on normal Apple firmware
11:39:21kawaivpc1but not on rockbox
11:39:29[Saint]The keys aren't handled in any particularly special way.
11:39:42[Saint]If it works in the OF, it _absolutely_ should work in Rockbox.
11:39:48copperkawaivpc1: what theme are you using?
11:39:58kawaivpc1the original rockbox theme
11:40:09kawaivpc1I'm not even able to update theme due to this problem
11:40:30kawaivpc1I can't access to the theme section
11:40:59[Saint]I could possibly roll you a custom build that used long press on >>| as select
11:41:12[Saint]it would break some other things, but make it largely usable for you.
11:41:15kawaivpc1that would be super nice
11:41:31kawaivpc1I'd really appreciate that!
11:41:32[Saint]I can't do it right now though, I'll reply on the forums with a link to the binary on the custom builds page.
11:41:38gevaertskawaivpc1: I've heard of this happening on the ipod mini, usually when people install a CF card that's thinner than the original drive, in which case a bit of cardboard helps. So I wonder if maybe there's a slightly bad contact somewhere?
11:41:47[Saint]Sometime in the next ~24h
11:42:02copper[Saint]: 580mAh - 3,7V?
11:42:08kawaivpc1awesome! thanks in advance! I will wait
11:42:17kawaivpc1I don't know what CF card is...
11:42:30kawaivpc1I haven't installed it
11:42:31[Saint]gevaerts: I have heard of that as well, but I have never seen it only take out one OS.
11:43:00kawaivpc1The only thing I have changed on my iPod is battery
11:43:01gevaerts[Saint]: there have been reports of it working fine in the OF in such cases
11:43:04kawaivpc1and it works well
11:43:19wodz[Saint]: If scrolling is the only thing which works long >>| will not help. It should be possible to at least navigate with |<< and >>| in defalut build
11:43:39*[Saint] nods
11:43:43kawaivpc1yeah.. but we can try at least
11:43:53kawaivpc1the weird thing is
11:43:57gevaertskawaivpc1: what the CF thing in the mini causes is insufficient support at the back of the buttons. If you opened the ipod, you *could* have something similar
11:44:02kawaivpc1I can still reboot my iPod with select button
11:44:14gevaertsI'm not at all sure that this is the case though
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11:44:20[Saint]wait, what?
11:44:30kawaivpc1select and menu button work for rebooting
11:44:31[Saint]You can reboot with select?
11:44:49kawaivpc1I mean the home button and the top
11:44:55kawaivpc1they work for rebooting
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11:45:19gevaertskawaivpc1: if it were my ipod, I'd double-check if everything was assembled correctly after the battery change
11:45:25kawaivpc1it means it could be a problem of key command set
11:45:38kawaivpc1gaverats: yeah I'll check it out
11:45:46kawaivpc1but the thing is everything works well on other OS
11:45:59kawaivpc1such as Apple firmware, ipod linux, etc
11:46:02gevaertsAnd as I said, that's been seen on at least the ipod mini :)
11:46:05kawaivpc1I don't think this is a hardware problem
11:46:26kawaivpc1I don't know really but I will try to re-install parts again
11:46:51[Saint]copper: I think I saw an 800mAh one floating around somewhere.
11:47:03[Saint](you'll have a little bit extra room in the case now)
11:47:26[Saint]There's definitely 600mAh ones IIRC.
11:48:00copperhmmm, I'm not going to fuck around with this
11:49:07wodzhell, I can't figure out from the source how it is supposed to work :-)
11:49:07[Saint]If you screw something up I might have some spares to ship you.
11:49:35coppereh, thanks
11:49:38[Saint]wodz: I'm having that very same problem just now myself.
11:50:22kawaivpc1the lock button works well too
11:50:37kawaivpc1thanks in advance guys
11:50:38[Saint]I must admit that it pleases me that I'm not the only one having difficulty with it.
11:50:46copper[Saint]: new battery on eBay: €6. Apple iPod battery replacement program: €60 :D
11:50:48kawaivpc1I'm leavning now
11:51:03[Saint]I'll reply on the forum thread. o/
11:51:08kawaivpc1please reply me on the forum
11:51:10kawaivpc1yup thanks!
11:51:16kawaivpc1have a good day
11:51:19kawaivpc1take care
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11:57:00wodz[Saint]: heh, ipod_4g_button_int() != ipod_4g_button_init() :P target/arm/pp/system-pp502x.c calls ipod_4g_button_int() in interrupt handler
12:00:25[Saint]...where are we there?
12:00:36[Saint]Oh. I see, find is my friend.
12:01:05wodzI know next to nothing about the hardware of question :-/
12:02:46wodzI'd try increasing udelay() in ipod_4g_button_int(). The comment says ipl uses 250 there
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12:03:38wodzI can imagine some weird conditions where it matters
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12:04:32[Saint]The thing is, I can test it, but, I can't test it - if you know what I mean.
12:04:48[Saint]I would have to find a way of reliably breaking my target first in the same way.
12:05:01[Saint]Mine work fine.
12:05:08[Saint]So, yeah. :-/
12:05:16wodz[Saint]: All except one works fine :-)
12:05:27[Saint]And apparently everyone else's, or, 99% of everyone else's, does to.
12:05:43[Saint]Except for people who may or may not have done hardware mods.
12:06:16[Saint]I'll try that, though.
12:06:46[Saint]I'll roll a couple of builds, one with increaded udelay, and one with a hacked up list keymap so its at least somewhat usable.
12:07:56wodz[Saint]: As I said if >>| is not detected (obviously he should be able to navigate with >>| using default build) tweaking keymap is pointless
12:08:24[Saint]You can navigate with it, but you can't select with it.
12:08:32[Saint]So there's no context menu, etc.
12:08:49[Saint]He's stated every other key works.
12:09:38wodzno he stated he can only scroll
12:11:51[Saint]I'm not sure where you got that from.
12:13:01wodz[11:30] <kawaivpc1> the only thing I can do is scrolling
12:13:38[Saint]I'll have to clarify that with him before I bother building anything then.
12:13:57[Saint]bacuse he clarly contradicsts that with saying "everythign works except select"
12:14:08wodzI asked him to go to System->Debug using >>|
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12:14:27wodzand he replied he can't
12:14:50wodzso yeah, it boils down to only scroll and hold
12:15:06[Saint]Ah. So Its a lot more than I thought.
12:15:22[Saint]I really can't do much for him if tweaking udelay doesn't work.
12:15:54[Saint]No amount of keymap tweaking is going to make an even halfway functional build if there's no |<< or >>|
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12:51:13copper[Saint]: how does the ZIF drive never slip out when running with the iPod or whatever?
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13:22:43[Saint]copper: mine don't - can't speak for yours.
13:22:54[Saint]SOme adapters are made from chewing gum, string, and hope.
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13:49:23copperit's called zero insertion force for a reason…
13:54:09copperah, there's a lever mechanism?
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14:04:52copperactually the grip is quite firm
14:06:06copperthe adapter looks very neat
14:06:16coppervery professional
14:06:38coppernow I just have to wait for the rest to be delivered
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14:08:21pamaurywodz: flight booked
14:08:34pamauryI arrived on friday at 19:15 and I leave on monday
14:09:20wodzpamaury: Modlin or 'Chopin' airport
14:11:05wodzhope you will have more luck than I had
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14:11:14pamauryyeah, let's hope so
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14:15:14kugelpamaury: like to share a room?
14:15:24pamaurykugel: yeah
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14:15:35kugelI'm gonna leave on sunday, though
14:16:21pamauryno problem, I'll for the extra night, except if maybe someone stay until monday but that's not so likely
14:16:42kugelwodz: is the centrail trainstation nearby?
14:17:13kugelcentral train station*
14:18:01wodzkugel: yes, 2 tram stops or 15-20 min walk
14:18:19kugelfine. I think I'll go by train then
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16:54:40copperpamaury: sorry to nag you about this again, but would you mind confirming that you shipped the package? I'd rather ask now while you're still in France.
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17:06:36copperpamaury_: it'd be nice to know if the package is on its way, if it got lost, or if you forgot. Since you never confirm anything, it leaves me wondering and nagging you about it.
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17:09:25copperis he even getting this?
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17:47:39pamaury_copper: sorry, instable connection
17:47:52pamaury_I didn't send the package yet, I forgot it at home (twice !)
17:48:11pamaury_but tomorrow morning I'll be home so I can't forget it this time
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17:50:11copperpamaury_: please let me know, so I don't have to ask
17:50:40copperand just to remind you, Mini Max is the fastest and cheapest method of shipping with La Poste
17:51:00coppershould cost you €2.50
17:51:53pamaury_yeah I plan to use Mini MAx
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17:52:17copperjust have to make sure the padded envelope is flat enough
17:53:34pamaury_you send me a SD->microsd adapter with it right ?
17:53:53copperFuze+, USB cable, microsdxc card, SDXC adapter
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23:37:42preglowwhat's the state of rockbox on android these days?
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