#rockbox 2014-05-26

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#rockbox log for 2014-05-26

00:00:05	saratoga	i have no idea how AB repeat works
00:00:13	saratoga	does it crash if you seek in the file?
00:00:31	MarcAndersen	no, only on a b repeat
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00:48:03	mudlord	hi there, a question
00:48:09	mudlord	does rockbox support m4b files?
00:49:15	[Saint]	Yes.
00:49:38	mudlord	Yay
00:50:02	mudlord	currently got some audiobooks and im planning of listening to them on the train for a trip
00:50:05	[Saint]	Keeping in mind that its possible to create .m4* files with any number of fucked up combinations that we'll probably choke on.
00:51:48	[Saint]	Whatever whoever puts in that container is up to them.
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01:05:07	vreg	o/
01:05:28	vreg	relaying a question
01:05:47	vreg	someone in another channel wonders if rockbox can handle .m4b files/
01:05:49	vreg	?
01:06:32	vreg	google searching rockbox forum and anythingbutipod forum sort of indicates that as of 2012-ish it's not supported
01:10:38	vreg	but google also tells me if you drink enough toilet water you can talk to god
01:10:41	vreg	so i came here
01:10:51	[Saint]	vreg: I believe that person beat you to the punch
01:11:01	[Saint]	[10:48:06] <mudlord> hi there, a question
01:11:01	[Saint]	[10:48:13] <mudlord> does rockbox support m4b files?
01:11:01	[Saint]	[10:49:18] <[Saint]> Yes.
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01:11:01	[Saint]	[10:49:42] <mudlord> Yay
01:11:01	[Saint]	[10:50:06] <mudlord> currently got some audiobooks and im planning of listening to them on the train for a trip
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01:11:02	[Saint]	[10:50:09] <[Saint]> Keeping in mind that its possible to create .m4* files with any number of fucked up combinations that we'll probably choke on.
01:11:04	[Saint]	[10:51:51] <[Saint]> Whatever whoever puts in that container is up to them.
01:11:09	vreg	ah
01:11:10	vreg	yup
01:11:12	vreg	mudlord
01:11:20	gevaerts	[Saint]: you could just link to the relevant bits in the logs
01:11:30	vreg	which channel was he in?
01:11:42	[Saint]	Yeah, that was a c/p fail on my behalf. Apologies.
01:11:49	[Saint]	vreg: this one.
01:11:53	vreg	oh
01:11:58	vreg	hey mudlord
01:12:02	vreg	lol
01:12:25	the-kyle	Google is right. If you drink enough toilet water, you can talk to God. Of course you will likely be talking for a very long time lol.
01:13:09	[Saint]	vreg: the problem is that its a conatiner format.
01:13:27	[Saint]	It can contain any number of combinations that will assuredly break things.
01:13:48	[Saint]	There's no way of saying for sure "yes, it will work", but we support the container.
01:14:02	vreg	ah
01:14:25	vreg	thanks for the explanation [Saint]
01:14:37	vreg	and for letting me know mudlord popped in here
01:14:38	vreg	:)
01:14:44	[Saint]	Not a problem.
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01:22:54	JdGordon	err, so whats the story with wps? i thought they were all fixed?
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01:24:48	[Saint]	Apparently not.
01:25:16	[Saint]	But I'm unsure if its a recent thing, or if they're ancient themes that got broken yonks ago.
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01:46:13	[Saint]	JdGordon: when drawing into the backdrop buffer, does the first viewport defined (the fullscreen viewport at the beginning of the theme) need the %VB tag also?
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01:47:07	[Saint]	So it would be %V(0,0,-,-,-) %VB
01:47:35	[Saint]	Ah - apparently I should read CustomWPS
01:48:24	JdGordon	I don't really remember, but I tihnk you prerty much have to add a full screen %VB viewport or you'll get uncoloured gaps
01:48:28	JdGordon	or garbage gaps
01:49:26	[Saint]	I wasn't going to, but I'm going to cram the album art in there so I can safely (hopefully) draw the progress bar on top of it without drawing issues caused by partial redraws.
01:50:07	[Saint]	That's the theory, at least. I'm hoping it works because I really want full width album art and it doesn't leave a lot of screen real estate.
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01:54:15	[Saint]	Oh - hmmmm, customWPS suggests that that workaround is only necessary if you have a backdrop.
01:54:22	[Saint]	But, its fairly badly worded.
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02:08:25	[Saint]	Hmmm.
02:08:49	[Saint]	The progress bar doesn't seem to like betting swapped out conditionally.
02:09:20	[Saint]	Why did I have to go and choose to make it obvious when the user has grabbed the scrubber handle? Gah.
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02:15:15	JdGordon	the bars try to be redraw more often than everyhing else
02:18:04	[Saint]	I have noticed that the bars in the failsafe are no longer even close to realtime.
02:18:16	[Saint]	It seems the refresh rate has dropped significantly at some point.
02:18:25	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:18:25	*	[Saint] can't think of the name.
02:18:31	[Saint]	....errr...shit.
02:18:53	[Saint]	What are they called? The things that probably shouldn't be there in the first place.
02:19:12	[Saint]	VU meter?
02:19:23	[Saint]	AH. Peak meter, that's it.
02:19:58	[Saint]	I may be misremembering, but I recall that they used to be quite responsive, and now they seem to be very sluggish.
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07:35:09	copper	[Saint]: in the sim or the actual device?
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07:40:36	copper	(they seem fine in my Classic sim)
07:47:34	mudlord	hmm, found a m4b that rockbox wont support
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07:55:01	copper	mudlord: try to remux it
07:55:16	mudlord	trying to with ffmpeg
07:55:29	mudlord	i found a m4b.py script
07:55:34	mudlord	but it doesnt work with latest ffmpeg
07:55:37	mudlord	needs tinkering
07:58:42	mudlord	trying https://github.com/valekhz/m4b-converter
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08:05:14	mudlord	fixed
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08:24:04	mudlord	copper straight remux using ffmpeg from m4b to mp4 worked
08:24:06	mudlord	with chapters
08:24:07	mudlord	lol
08:24:21	copper	:)
08:24:33	mudlord	now need to work out how to preserve tags
08:30:12	mudlord	done
08:30:28	mudlord	map_metadata:g -1:g
08:30:29	mudlord	nice
08:30:30	mudlord	ty
08:30:50	copper	god
08:30:58	copper	ffmpeg is so weird
08:33:49	mudlord	yeh
08:33:54	mudlord	it is
08:34:16	mudlord	might as well write a tool for this
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09:21:17	mudlord	are 128gb microsd's supported by sansa clip zips with rockbox?
09:21:48	copper	yes
09:21:50	[Saint]	Yes.
09:21:53	copper	as FAT32
09:21:56	mudlord	:D
09:22:18	mudlord	i was looking at: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-MicroSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B00IIJ6W4S/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401088832&sr=1-1&keywords=128gb+micro+sd+card
09:22:27	[Saint]	Still too expensive to warrant it IMO, though.
09:22:36	copper	?
09:22:44	copper	the gigabyte is under a buck
09:23:06	[Saint]	160GB iPod Classic, $80-100NZD
09:23:23	[Saint]	So, meh.
09:23:29	copper	what?
09:23:42	copper	second hand?
09:24:10	[Saint]	Sure. But that often makes little to no difference.
09:24:20	copper	can't compare new to second hand
09:24:24	[Saint]	perhaps an extra $10 on a new battery.
09:24:50	copper	that card sold used on ebay will go for half the price
09:24:57	copper	60 bucks
09:25:18	copper	and, apples and oranges
09:25:32	mudlord	http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-Adapter-MB-MP64DA-AM/dp/B00IVPU7AO/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401089047&sr=1-9&keywords=128gb+micro+sd+card
09:25:36	mudlord	40 bucks
09:25:59	[Saint]	I despise the build quality of these little trinket players.
09:26:02	copper	eh, never seen a samsung sd card before
09:26:10	[Saint]	Were they more well made, I'd be willing to invest in them.
09:26:40	copper	yeah it's interesting
09:26:48	copper	Samsung has a good reputation with their SSDs
09:26:53	mudlord	http://www.amazon.com/ADATA-Micro-SDHC-Class-Adaptor/dp/B00FRQVJTS/ref=sr_1_17?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401089170&sr=1-17&keywords=128gb+micro+sd+card
09:26:58	mudlord	20 bucks
09:27:46	copper	you're asking for trouble!
09:27:55	mudlord	stick with sandisk?
09:28:09	[Saint]	you know that last link isn't 128GB, yeah?
09:28:22	copper	mudlord: actually I'm now a firm Lexar believer
09:28:25	mudlord	yes. its 64gb
09:29:31	[Saint]	I'd be more inclined in your case to believe that the lexar card is doing something wrong that magically makes it work with the tarkan adapter.
09:29:46	[Saint]	rather than every other card on the face of the earth being wrong.
09:30:06	copper	it's not just that
09:30:56	copper	it's my sandisk card crapping out and my Lexar cards being consistently faster with random I/O
09:31:01	[Saint]	mudlord: check the reviews on the last link ;)
09:31:17	[Saint]	Really encouraging stuff.
09:32:41	[Saint]	Not at all what I would expect from a too-good-to-be-true $20 64GB card from a reputable manufacturer. ;)
09:33:09	copper	ouch ;D
09:33:50	[Saint]	Impressively, the seller still maintains a 3 star rating.
09:34:05	[Saint]	Despite quite clearly forking crap.
09:34:26	*	copper is waiting for his Lexar delivery any minute now
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09:35:58	[Saint]	Heh. Those cards are actually misreporting 4GB cards. :)
09:36:13	[Saint]	<insert mock shocked face here>
09:36:41	copper	really?
09:37:23	[Saint]	Yeah - many commenters report that transfer stops dead at 4GB.
09:37:27	copper	lol
09:39:01	copper	my Kingston "128 GB" card was actually 124 GB / 116 GiB
09:39:20	[Saint]	Not uncommon.
09:39:21	copper	unformated
09:39:31	copper	unformatted*
09:40:01	copper	first time I see that
09:40:23	mudlord	where did you get your microsd
09:40:24	mudlord	?
09:40:39	copper	SDXC not micro
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09:40:48	mudlord	:<
09:40:55	copper	though I did buy a 64 GB microsdxc from SanDisk
09:41:03	copper	which I managed to kill, and got a replacement for
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09:41:45	copper	the card would claim that data was correctly being written to it, except it wouldn't actually write anything
09:42:08	mudlord	wtf, here it says 89 bucks
09:42:09	mudlord	http://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/sandisk-64gb-ultra-microsdxc-memory-card-br198572?cm_mmc=google-_-pla-_-Sandisk-_-BR198572&cm_mmca3=conversion&cm_mmca9=columbus&CAWELAID=620015440000149181&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=620015440000023926&cadevice=c&gclid=CjgKEAjwzIucBRDzjIz9qMOB3TASJABBIwL1wNZ0jQeUguXNS0QpXOJR-bhYV1ilK06vjsJF0Ww90_D_BwE
09:42:30	copper	amazon is consistently cheaper than everyone else
09:42:56	copper	which is why they make comparatively less money, while being huge
09:43:07	copper	a winning strategy, IMO
09:43:21	mudlord	43 bucks
09:43:22	copper	especially with their excellent customer support
09:43:23	mudlord	vs 89
09:43:35	mudlord	today, locally i paid 36 bucks for battlefield 4
09:43:46	mudlord	online its 89 bucks in ea's store
09:44:04	copper	I can't think of any other merchant that will ship a replacement overnight via courier, without even asking for the original item back
09:44:13	copper	(again, consistently, over the years)
09:46:56	mudlord	42 superbucks
09:46:57	mudlord	:3
09:47:01	mudlord	I can buy it tommorrow
09:47:03	mudlord	:3
09:47:24	mudlord	amazon were fast when shipping my sansa clip zip
09:49:27	mudlord	Items: AUD 40.53
09:49:27	mudlord	Shipping & handling: AUD 61.92
09:49:27	mudlord	Total before tax: AUD 102.45
09:49:29	mudlord	wot
09:50:25	mudlord	now i can understand why its so expensive locally
09:50:42	copper	what
09:50:55	copper	you shipped it from the USA to Australia?
09:51:22	mudlord	well thats if i buy it
09:51:27	mudlord	from amazon
09:51:32	copper	ah
09:51:33	mudlord	a 64gb card
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12:04:01	copper	128 GB Lexar in my Classic, seems to be working, copying files now
12:04:14	copper	at 10 MB/s, it's going to take a while…
12:09:19	copper	this one is actually 128,059,441,152 bytes
12:10:17	copper	<[Saint]> Welcome to the world of high capacity battery, solid state storage iPods.
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12:10:27	copper	:D
12:20:56	copper	So, should I call it an iMod Classic now, or is that too head-fi-ish?
12:22:01	gevaerts	it is!
12:23:06	copper	iMod Flash-Chic
12:23:32	gevaerts	Not getting better :)
12:23:39	copper	ok ok :P
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15:11:54	copper	93 GiB transfered at 9 MB/s without a hitch, via Rockbox
15:11:57	copper	wonderful
15:12:06	ZincAlloy	:)
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15:29:02	copper	25 GiB free
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15:29:23	besuck	hi need help with nwz-380 port
15:29:41	copper	gaah
15:29:46	copper	it boots so much faster
15:29:52	copper	it's redunculous
15:31:26	Zagor	besuck: it's best to just ask your question
15:32:40	besuck	how to install bootloader without utlity
15:32:53	besuck	everyting is on the root of player
15:33:00	besuck	.rockbox and .sb file
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15:35:15	pamaury	besuck: be sure the file is named firmware.sb
15:35:24	pamaury	reboot to upgrade
15:35:35	pamaury	if it doesn't work, remove the file, reboot, put the file again, reboot
15:35:43	pamaury	sometimes the original firmware doesn't want to update
15:36:34	besuck	not nwz... _rb.firmware just firmware
15:38:29	besuck	now exclamtion point is spinning i guess it's ugrading thank you
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16:04:33	copper	I think I destroyed my ipod
16:04:50	copper	while closing it
16:06:14	copper	it doesn't see the "drive"
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16:06:20	copper	and now I can't reopen it
16:06:23	ZincAlloy1	d'oh
16:06:47	copper	thing won't open
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16:11:36	MarcAndersen	I was browsing the rasher simulators and found a sim for a "mini 2440", what is that and why is the sim so old (from 2010-06-06)?
16:14:27	copper	[Saint]: I hate you.
16:15:40	gevaerts	MarcAndersen: the mini2440 is a small arm board from a few years ago. Think raspberry pi like
16:16:43	MarcAndersen	why is the simulator not in sync with the others?
16:17:22	gevaerts	Because nobody cares anymore I suspect
16:18:25	MarcAndersen	ok
16:32:14	copper	I'm going to murder the next guy who suggest opening a shiny iPod
16:32:25	copper	viciously
16:32:29	copper	and slowly
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16:35:02	ZincAlloy1	well.. how 'bout opening a shiny iPod? :D
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16:36:46	Zagor	and please open it viciously
16:43:11	ZincAlloy1	with a crowbar
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16:48:02	copper	finally managed to open it while butchering it
16:48:06	copper	it works
16:48:16	copper	no idea why it didn't after I closed it up
16:48:57	copper	now what
16:56:28	ZincAlloy1	don't close it. ever.
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16:57:04	copper	managed to close it up
16:57:08	copper	works
16:57:11	ZincAlloy1	ha!
16:57:16	copper	but the iPod is severely butchers
16:57:19	copper	butchered
16:57:33	ZincAlloy1	:(
16:57:50	ZincAlloy1	maybe you shouldn't have used a crowbar after all.
16:58:22	copper	probably not
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17:05:44	copper	I'm officially never doing this again.
17:06:46	copper	This thing was designed to NEVER be opened anyway.
17:07:09	ZincAlloy1	bad design then.
17:08:16	copper	Apple Design: buy a shiny new toy every two years
17:08:52	ZincAlloy1	have my macbook pro for over 6 years now :D
17:09:11	ZincAlloy1	not hard to take apart at all.
17:11:04	ZincAlloy1	plenty of screws though.
17:11:44	copper	well, the butchering doesn't show too much when I put my iPod in its protective case
17:11:59	copper	so, I'll consider myself lucking it's working at all.
17:12:03	copper	lucky
17:12:10	ZincAlloy1	put a large sticker over it :)
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17:14:07	copper	database initialization is super fast
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17:20:20	copper	Apple needs to release a 256 GB Classic with flash memory already
17:20:37	copper	which I would never be able to afford, of course
17:21:05	copper	and which would probably make running Rockbox impossible
17:23:53	copper	I wish I knew where I fucked up the first time
17:27:44	copper	to think that those iFixIt crazies open up iPhones :-O
17:27:59	ZincAlloy1	^^
17:28:14	copper	with fucking heat guns and shit
17:28:17	ZincAlloy1	useful site, though.
17:28:41	copper	god, I need a drink
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19:02:34	dimalit	Hello, I have a question about Sansa Clip. Is it's FM chip can be programmed/configured to receive frequencies in range 863-865 MHz? (I was thinking to use it as an additional receiver for wireless TV headphones device)
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19:15:23	bertrik	no, some FM chips can probably be configured to receive slightly out of the normal broadcast range, but 863 MHz is way off
19:16:14	copper	that's a neat idea though
19:16:32	copper	better use a regular FM transmitter, I guess
19:16:57	copper	they usually sell those things for car audio
19:17:14	copper	you could certainly plug one of those into the headphone socket of a TV
19:23:26	dimalit	Thanks for the information, copper. I thought about car fm transmitter of course, but i'm almost sure, those transmitters would work in much smaller distance (1 meter max), than a TV wireless phones do (10-30 meters). Or, I am wrong?
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19:24:40	copper	dimalit: check the product pages, they probably give some distance rating
19:24:49	copper	hmm
19:25:02	copper	damn it, I think I had one of those in a previous life
19:26:41	copper	can't remember
19:28:35	copper	dimalit: maybe check eBay, they may have transmitters with illegally large power / reach
19:28:44	copper	like WiFi stuff
19:29:11	dimalit	cooper: Wikipedia says: "Most devices on the market typically have a short range of up to 100 feet (30 metres) with any average radio (up to about 300 feet (100 metres)". So, your idea would work. Thanks again! )
19:29:15	copper	I mean, like they sell WiFi amplifiers with more power than what's legal in most countries
19:29:28	copper	yeah, definitely look into that
19:29:55	copper	damn, it really bothers me that I can't remember
19:30:06	copper	I'm almost certain I used one of those things ages ago
19:30:47	dimalit	you mean car audio?
19:33:56	copper	no, something for my DAP I think, a Cowon S9 at the time
19:34:23	copper	maybe I started looking into FM transmission after my awful experience with Bluetooth / SBC
19:35:10	dimalit	Yeah, bluetooth is so bad!
19:35:16	dimalit	for WiFi amplifier, i'll need to use a smartphone. But i just wanted to give a second life to the Sansa Clip, which is a great devise, but i stopped using it, when i bought a smartphone
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19:35:51	copper	dimalit: well, about bluetooth, I found the solution: apt-X
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19:36:50	copper	only took me 4 years :-/
19:37:01	copper	(to finally own compatible hardware)
19:38:09	copper	dimalit: I vaguely remember that in France at least, the maximum allowed reach for FM transmission was maybe 50 or 100m
19:38:16	copper	much more than you'd need for a TV set
19:39:01	copper	I remember fantasizing about messing with my neighbors' FM reception of their favorite stations :D
19:41:13	dimalit	haha. ))
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19:43:26	copper	"Hello, neighbor. I am WATCHING YOU."
19:44:27	copper	"Stop picking your nose when you think no-one's looking. BECAUSE I AM."
19:44:38	*	copper giggles
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20:20:09	b0hoon	Has anything changed in the last two or three days with gerrit? I can't login.
20:26:51	pamaury	b0hoon: I put my work on the sansa view on gerrit
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20:27:08	pamaury	and no, I can login successfully
20:31:36	b0hoon	pamaury: i don't know then. Yes, i saw it, the same method i've used, but you have it cleaner and more descriptive. I like the reg-headers. Great work.
20:36:14	b0hoon	pamaury: heh, i see that you have unknown03() commented out. I could swear it didn't work without it.
20:36:43	pamaury	last time I tried, it didn't have any effect, but I'll retry
20:37:06	pamaury	I have only focused on the bootloader at the moment and it's unused iirc
20:37:18	b0hoon	pamaury: well if it works without it then no need to retry
20:38:35	b0hoon	pamaury: i have to try this patches, but first i want to know what is going on with this openid thing.
20:40:07	b0hoon	screw it, i'm finally going to create google account
20:40:15	b0hoon	:p
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21:08:07	b0hoon	Can someone link my new identity with my old gerrit account?
21:08:35	gevaerts	b0hoon: I suspect you need Zagor or Torne for that
21:10:12	gevaerts	Maybe email them. Neither of them seems to be online now
21:12:20	b0hoon	Ok, i'll wait a bit and then will try to contact them. thanks.
21:12:35	gevaerts	Ah, Torne is back online, just not in #rockbox :)
21:12:46	*	gevaerts recommends prodding him in #rockbox-community
21:12:59	b0hoon	oouuu...
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