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#rockbox log for 2014-05-26

00:00:05saratogai have no idea how AB repeat works
00:00:13saratogadoes it crash if you seek in the file?
00:00:31MarcAndersenno, only on a b repeat
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00:48:03mudlordhi there, a question
00:48:09mudlorddoes rockbox support m4b files?
00:50:02mudlordcurrently got some audiobooks and im planning of listening to them on the train for a trip
00:50:05[Saint]Keeping in mind that its possible to create .m4* files with any number of fucked up combinations that we'll probably choke on.
00:51:48[Saint]Whatever whoever puts in that container is up to them.
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01:05:28vregrelaying a question
01:05:47vregsomeone in another channel wonders if rockbox can handle .m4b files/
01:06:32vreggoogle searching rockbox forum and anythingbutipod forum sort of indicates that as of 2012-ish it's not supported
01:10:38vregbut google also tells me if you drink enough toilet water you can talk to god
01:10:41vregso i came here
01:10:51[Saint]vreg: I believe that person beat you to the punch
01:11:01[Saint][10:48:06] <mudlord> hi there, a question
01:11:01[Saint][10:48:13] <mudlord> does rockbox support m4b files?
01:11:01[Saint][10:49:18] <[Saint]> Yes.
01:11:01DBUGEnqueued KICK [Saint]
01:11:01[Saint][10:49:42] <mudlord> Yay
01:11:01[Saint][10:50:06] <mudlord> currently got some audiobooks and im planning of listening to them on the train for a trip
01:11:02***Alert Mode level 1
01:11:02[Saint][10:50:09] <[Saint]> Keeping in mind that its possible to create .m4* files with any number of fucked up combinations that we'll probably choke on.
01:11:04[Saint][10:51:51] <[Saint]> Whatever whoever puts in that container is up to them.
01:11:20gevaerts[Saint]: you could just link to the relevant bits in the logs
01:11:30vregwhich channel was he in?
01:11:42[Saint]Yeah, that was a c/p fail on my behalf. Apologies.
01:11:49[Saint]vreg: this one.
01:11:58vreghey mudlord
01:12:25the-kyleGoogle is right. If you drink enough toilet water, you can talk to God. Of course you will likely be talking for a very long time lol.
01:13:09[Saint]vreg: the problem is that its a conatiner format.
01:13:27[Saint]It can contain any number of combinations that will assuredly break things.
01:13:48[Saint]There's no way of saying for sure "yes, it will work", but we support the container.
01:14:25vregthanks for the explanation [Saint]
01:14:37vregand for letting me know mudlord popped in here
01:14:44[Saint]Not a problem.
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01:22:54JdGordonerr, so whats the story with wps? i thought they were all fixed?
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01:24:48[Saint]Apparently not.
01:25:16[Saint]But I'm unsure if its a recent thing, or if they're ancient themes that got broken yonks ago.
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01:46:13[Saint]JdGordon: when drawing into the backdrop buffer, does the first viewport defined (the fullscreen viewport at the beginning of the theme) need the %VB tag also?
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01:47:07[Saint]So it would be %V(0,0,-,-,-) %VB
01:47:35[Saint]Ah - apparently I should read CustomWPS
01:48:24JdGordonI don't really remember, but I tihnk you prerty much have to add a full screen %VB viewport or you'll get uncoloured gaps
01:48:28JdGordonor garbage gaps
01:49:26[Saint]I wasn't going to, but I'm going to cram the album art in there so I can safely (hopefully) draw the progress bar on top of it without drawing issues caused by partial redraws.
01:50:07[Saint]That's the theory, at least. I'm hoping it works because I really want full width album art and it doesn't leave a lot of screen real estate.
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01:54:15[Saint]Oh - hmmmm, customWPS suggests that that workaround is only necessary if you have a backdrop.
01:54:22[Saint]But, its fairly badly worded.
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02:08:49[Saint]The progress bar doesn't seem to like betting swapped out conditionally.
02:09:20[Saint]Why did I have to go and choose to make it obvious when the user has grabbed the scrubber handle? Gah.
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02:15:15JdGordonthe bars try to be redraw more often than everyhing else
02:18:04[Saint]I have noticed that the bars in the failsafe are no longer even close to realtime.
02:18:16[Saint]It seems the refresh rate has dropped significantly at some point.
02:18:25CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:18:25*[Saint] can't think of the name.
02:18:53[Saint]What are they called? The things that probably shouldn't be there in the first place.
02:19:12[Saint]VU meter?
02:19:23[Saint]AH. Peak meter, that's it.
02:19:58[Saint]I may be misremembering, but I recall that they used to be quite responsive, and now they seem to be very sluggish.
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07:35:09copper[Saint]: in the sim or the actual device?
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07:40:36copper(they seem fine in my Classic sim)
07:47:34mudlordhmm, found a m4b that rockbox wont support
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07:55:01coppermudlord: try to remux it
07:55:16mudlordtrying to with ffmpeg
07:55:29mudlordi found a script
07:55:34mudlordbut it doesnt work with latest ffmpeg
07:55:37mudlordneeds tinkering
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08:24:04mudlordcopper straight remux using ffmpeg from m4b to mp4 worked
08:24:06mudlordwith chapters
08:24:33mudlordnow need to work out how to preserve tags
08:30:28mudlordmap_metadata:g -1:g
08:30:58copperffmpeg is so weird
08:33:54mudlordit is
08:34:16mudlordmight as well write a tool for this
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09:21:17mudlordare 128gb microsd's supported by sansa clip zips with rockbox?
09:21:53copperas FAT32
09:22:18mudlordi was looking at:
09:22:27[Saint]Still too expensive to warrant it IMO, though.
09:22:44copperthe gigabyte is under a buck
09:23:06[Saint]160GB iPod Classic, $80-100NZD
09:23:23[Saint]So, meh.
09:23:42coppersecond hand?
09:24:10[Saint]Sure. But that often makes little to no difference.
09:24:20coppercan't compare new to second hand
09:24:24[Saint]perhaps an extra $10 on a new battery.
09:24:50copperthat card sold used on ebay will go for half the price
09:24:57copper60 bucks
09:25:18copperand, apples and oranges
09:25:36mudlord40 bucks
09:25:59[Saint]I despise the build quality of these little trinket players.
09:26:02coppereh, never seen a samsung sd card before
09:26:10[Saint]Were they more well made, I'd be willing to invest in them.
09:26:40copperyeah it's interesting
09:26:48copperSamsung has a good reputation with their SSDs
09:26:58mudlord20 bucks
09:27:46copperyou're asking for trouble!
09:27:55mudlordstick with sandisk?
09:28:09[Saint]you know that last link isn't 128GB, yeah?
09:28:22coppermudlord: actually I'm now a firm Lexar believer
09:28:25mudlordyes. its 64gb
09:29:31[Saint]I'd be more inclined in your case to believe that the lexar card is doing something wrong that magically makes it work with the tarkan adapter.
09:29:46[Saint]rather than every other card on the face of the earth being wrong.
09:30:06copperit's not just that
09:30:56copperit's my sandisk card crapping out and my Lexar cards being consistently faster with random I/O
09:31:01[Saint]mudlord: check the reviews on the last link ;)
09:31:17[Saint]Really encouraging stuff.
09:32:41[Saint]Not at *all* what I would expect from a too-good-to-be-true $20 64GB card from a reputable manufacturer. ;)
09:33:09copperouch ;D
09:33:50[Saint]Impressively, the seller still maintains a 3 star rating.
09:34:05[Saint]Despite quite clearly forking crap.
09:34:26*copper is waiting for his Lexar delivery any minute now
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09:35:58[Saint]Heh. Those cards are actually misreporting 4GB cards. :)
09:36:13[Saint]<insert mock shocked face here>
09:37:23[Saint]Yeah - many commenters report that transfer stops dead at 4GB.
09:39:01coppermy Kingston "128 GB" card was actually 124 GB / 116 GiB
09:39:20[Saint]Not uncommon.
09:40:01copperfirst time I see that
09:40:23mudlordwhere did you get your microsd
09:40:39copperSDXC not micro
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09:40:55copperthough I did buy a 64 GB microsdxc from SanDisk
09:41:03copperwhich I managed to kill, and got a replacement for
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09:41:45copperthe card would claim that data was correctly being written to it, except it wouldn't actually write anything
09:42:08mudlordwtf, here it says 89 bucks
09:42:30copperamazon is consistently cheaper than everyone else
09:42:56copperwhich is why they make comparatively less money, while being huge
09:43:07coppera winning strategy, IMO
09:43:21mudlord43 bucks
09:43:22copperespecially with their excellent customer support
09:43:23mudlordvs 89
09:43:35mudlordtoday, locally i paid 36 bucks for battlefield 4
09:43:46mudlordonline its 89 bucks in ea's store
09:44:04copperI can't think of any other merchant that will ship a replacement overnight via courier, without even asking for the original item back
09:44:13copper(again, consistently, over the years)
09:46:56mudlord42 superbucks
09:47:01mudlordI can buy it tommorrow
09:47:24mudlordamazon were fast when shipping my sansa clip zip
09:49:27mudlordItems: AUD 40.53
09:49:27mudlordShipping & handling: AUD 61.92
09:49:27mudlordTotal before tax: AUD 102.45
09:50:25mudlordnow i can understand why its so expensive locally
09:50:55copperyou shipped it from the USA to Australia?
09:51:22mudlordwell thats if i buy it
09:51:27mudlordfrom amazon
09:51:33mudlorda 64gb card
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12:04:01copper128 GB Lexar in my Classic, seems to be working, copying files now
12:04:14copperat 10 MB/s, it's going to take a while…
12:09:19copperthis one is actually 128,059,441,152 bytes
12:10:17copper<[Saint]> Welcome to the world of high capacity battery, solid state storage iPods.
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12:20:56copperSo, should I call it an iMod Classic now, or is that too head-fi-ish?
12:22:01gevaertsit is!
12:23:06copperiMod Flash-Chic
12:23:32gevaertsNot getting better :)
12:23:39copperok ok :P
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15:11:54copper93 GiB transfered at 9 MB/s without a hitch, via Rockbox
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15:29:02copper25 GiB free
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15:29:23besuckhi need help with nwz-380 port
15:29:46copperit boots so much faster
15:29:52copperit's redunculous
15:31:26Zagorbesuck: it's best to just ask your question
15:32:40besuckhow to install bootloader without utlity
15:32:53besuckeveryting is on the root of player
15:33:00besuck.rockbox and .sb file
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15:35:15pamaurybesuck: be sure the file is named
15:35:24pamauryreboot to upgrade
15:35:35pamauryif it doesn't work, remove the file, reboot, put the file again, reboot
15:35:43pamaurysometimes the original firmware doesn't want to update
15:36:34besuck not nwz... _rb.firmware just firmware
15:38:29besucknow exclamtion point is spinning i guess it's ugrading thank you
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16:04:33copperI think I destroyed my ipod
16:04:50copperwhile closing it
16:06:14copperit doesn't see the "drive"
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16:06:20copperand now I can't reopen it
16:06:47copperthing won't open
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16:11:36MarcAndersenI was browsing the rasher simulators and found a sim for a "mini 2440", what is that and why is the sim so old (from 2010-06-06)?
16:14:27copper[Saint]: I hate you.
16:15:40gevaertsMarcAndersen: the mini2440 is a small arm board from a few years ago. Think raspberry pi like
16:16:43MarcAndersenwhy is the simulator not in sync with the others?
16:17:22gevaertsBecause nobody cares anymore I suspect
16:32:14copperI'm going to murder the next guy who suggest opening a shiny iPod
16:32:29copperand slowly
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16:35:02ZincAlloy1well.. how 'bout opening a shiny iPod? :D
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16:36:46Zagorand please open it viciously
16:43:11ZincAlloy1with a crowbar
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16:48:02copperfinally managed to open it while butchering it
16:48:06copperit works
16:48:16copperno idea why it didn't after I closed it up
16:48:57coppernow what
16:56:28ZincAlloy1don't close it. ever.
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16:57:04coppermanaged to close it up
16:57:16copperbut the iPod is severely butchers
16:57:50ZincAlloy1maybe you shouldn't have used a crowbar after all.
16:58:22copperprobably not
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17:05:44copperI'm officially never doing this again.
17:06:46copperThis thing was designed to NEVER be opened anyway.
17:07:09ZincAlloy1bad design then.
17:08:16copperApple Design: buy a shiny new toy every two years
17:08:52ZincAlloy1have my macbook pro for over 6 years now :D
17:09:11ZincAlloy1not hard to take apart at all.
17:11:04ZincAlloy1plenty of screws though.
17:11:44copperwell, the butchering doesn't show too much when I put my iPod in its protective case
17:11:59copperso, I'll consider myself lucking it's working at all.
17:12:10ZincAlloy1put a large sticker over it :)
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17:14:07copperdatabase initialization is super fast
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17:20:20copperApple needs to release a 256 GB Classic with flash memory already
17:20:37copperwhich I would never be able to afford, of course
17:21:05copperand which would probably make running Rockbox impossible
17:23:53copperI wish I knew where I fucked up the first time
17:27:44copperto think that those iFixIt crazies open up iPhones :-O
17:28:14copperwith fucking heat guns and shit
17:28:17ZincAlloy1useful site, though.
17:28:41coppergod, I need a drink
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19:02:34dimalitHello, I have a question about Sansa Clip. Is it's FM chip can be programmed/configured to receive frequencies in range 863-865 MHz? (I was thinking to use it as an additional receiver for wireless TV headphones device)
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19:15:23bertrikno, some FM chips can probably be configured to receive slightly out of the normal broadcast range, but 863 MHz is way off
19:16:14copperthat's a neat idea though
19:16:32copperbetter use a regular FM transmitter, I guess
19:16:57copperthey usually sell those things for car audio
19:17:14copperyou could certainly plug one of those into the headphone socket of a TV
19:23:26dimalitThanks for the information, copper. I thought about car fm transmitter of course, but i'm almost sure, those transmitters would work in much smaller distance (1 meter max), than a TV wireless phones do (10-30 meters). Or, I am wrong?
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19:24:40copperdimalit: check the product pages, they probably give some distance rating
19:25:02copperdamn it, I think I had one of those in a previous life
19:26:41coppercan't remember
19:28:35copperdimalit: maybe check eBay, they may have transmitters with illegally large power / reach
19:28:44copperlike WiFi stuff
19:29:11dimalitcooper: Wikipedia says: "Most devices on the market typically have a short range of up to 100 feet (30 metres) with any average radio (up to about 300 feet (100 metres)". So, your idea would work. Thanks again! )
19:29:15copperI mean, like they sell WiFi amplifiers with more power than what's legal in most countries
19:29:28copperyeah, definitely look into that
19:29:55copperdamn, it really bothers me that I can't remember
19:30:06copperI'm almost certain I used one of those things ages ago
19:30:47dimalityou mean car audio?
19:33:56copperno, something for my DAP I think, a Cowon S9 at the time
19:34:23coppermaybe I started looking into FM transmission after my awful experience with Bluetooth / SBC
19:35:10dimalitYeah, bluetooth is so bad!
19:35:16dimalitfor WiFi amplifier, i'll need to use a smartphone. But i just wanted to give a second life to the Sansa Clip, which is a great devise, but i stopped using it, when i bought a smartphone
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19:35:51copperdimalit: well, about bluetooth, I found the solution: apt-X
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19:36:50copperonly took me 4 years :-/
19:37:01copper(to finally own compatible hardware)
19:38:09copperdimalit: I vaguely remember that in France at least, the maximum allowed reach for FM transmission was maybe 50 or 100m
19:38:16coppermuch more than you'd need for a TV set
19:39:01copperI remember fantasizing about messing with my neighbors' FM reception of their favorite stations :D
19:41:13dimalithaha. ))
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19:43:26copper"Hello, neighbor. I am WATCHING YOU."
19:44:27copper"Stop picking your nose when you think no-one's looking. BECAUSE I AM."
19:44:38*copper giggles
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20:20:09b0hoonHas anything changed in the last two or three days with gerrit? I can't login.
20:26:51pamauryb0hoon: I put my work on the sansa view on gerrit
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20:27:08pamauryand no, I can login successfully
20:31:36b0hoonpamaury: i don't know then. Yes, i saw it, the same method i've used, but you have it cleaner and more descriptive. I like the reg-headers. Great work.
20:36:14b0hoonpamaury: heh, i see that you have unknown03() commented out. I could swear it didn't work without it.
20:36:43pamaurylast time I tried, it didn't have any effect, but I'll retry
20:37:06pamauryI have only focused on the bootloader at the moment and it's unused iirc
20:37:18b0hoonpamaury: well if it works without it then no need to retry
20:38:35b0hoonpamaury: i have to try this patches, but first i want to know what is going on with this openid thing.
20:40:07b0hoonscrew it, i'm finally going to create google account
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21:08:07b0hoonCan someone link my new identity with my old gerrit account?
21:08:35gevaertsb0hoon: I suspect you need Zagor or Torne for that
21:10:12gevaertsMaybe email them. Neither of them seems to be online now
21:12:20b0hoonOk, i'll wait a bit and then will try to contact them. thanks.
21:12:35gevaertsAh, Torne is back online, just not in #rockbox :)
21:12:46*gevaerts recommends prodding him in #rockbox-community
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