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#rockbox log for 2014-06-11

00:00:19gevaertsYes then :)
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00:00:57TheSevencould also have been an attempt to redo it after bus resets, with quirky drivers that clear their internal endpoint drivers AFTER calling usb_core_bus_reset
00:01:50gevaertsI don't remember if usb_core_init() is called before or after we know we're going to be doing charging or msc
00:01:56TheSevenwhat we're currently doing, while probably harmless, might not be fully spec compliant
00:02:08TheSevenwe're basically enabling EP >0 before we have an address or configuration
00:02:23gevaertsDoes the spec actually care about that?
00:02:37TheSevennot sure if it's a SHALL or SHOULD ;)
00:02:39gevaertsBut yes, I have this very vague memory about bus resets being involved here
00:02:54TheSevena spec-compliant host SHALL probably not rely on it though ;)
00:03:14gevaertsI can promise you that the bit about the host doing things where this makes a difference is a MUST NOT :)
00:03:38TheSevenI'm currently running into problems which look like there's an unexpected STALL condition on EP1, right on the first bulk request
00:03:52TheSevenwhich I partially blame on the confusing semantics of usb_drv_request_endpoint ;)
00:06:32gevaertsWhat's the confusion?
00:06:43gevaertsSure, there is a slight lack of documentation... :)
00:06:57TheSevenwell, I wrote the driver assuming that this actually enables the hardware EP
00:07:04TheSevenand it somehow doesn't work, although I don't see why
00:07:22TheSevencould be that the hardware is doing some funny things when setting an address
00:08:28gevaertsI know it doesn't set anything up on ARC
00:08:29*TheSeven takes a look how the old driver handles this
00:08:48gevaertsI think :)
00:09:07gevaertsAh, yes
00:09:16TheSevenon usb-s3c6400x it seems to activate the endpoint
00:09:41gevaertsThe ARC driver (which is the only one I know!) actually sets up the hardware endpoints from set_address()
00:11:09TheSeven...which is called AFTER finishing sending the ACK for that request
00:11:18gevaertsThe reason usb_drv_request_endpoint() is in the hardware driver and not in usb_core is really only that different hardware has different rules about which endpoints can do what
00:11:50gevaertsIs that a problem? We haven't had a SET_CONFIGURATION yet
00:12:12TheSevenit's just something to remember when looking at the code ;)
00:12:37TheSevenwell, is there another way for the driver to know how to actually configure the EPs besides tracking the usb_drv_request_endpoint calls?
00:13:31gevaertsThat could be redone to have the core remember it all, but refactoring USB is no fun
00:13:42gevaertsYou'll *never* get testers for all hardware
00:13:59TheSevenhm, on the old one, cancel_all_transfers actually takes down the endpoints. i.e. if that would be called after set_address, it would probably kill it
00:14:35gevaertsThat's called for USB_REQ_SET_CONFIGURATION
00:14:53gevaertsAnd SET_ADDRESS
00:15:06TheSeven DEPCTL(ep, dir) = (DEPCTL(ep, dir) & ~DEPCTL_usbactep);
00:15:13TheSevenfor ever endpoint besides 0
00:15:47TheSevenusbactep is set in usb_drv_request_endpoint
00:16:04TheSevenand in reset_endpoints
00:16:55TheSevenwhich in turn is done in usb_drv_init and usb_reset, and in the bus reset handler
00:17:19TheSevenI see neither of those happening after set_configuration
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00:18:45gevaertsIt's in request_handler_device()
00:19:36TheSevenwhat exactly is there?
00:20:17TheSevenI'm wondering what recovers the damage done by that in the old driver
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00:25:14audiomodderhello, anyone in here?
00:25:48-->"yo" received from Schizoid (~schizoid@unaffiliated/surtri)
00:25:59TheSevenyes, 103 people, some of which might actually be awake :)
00:26:04TheSevenif you have a question, just ask it
00:27:07audiomoddergreat. Im a first-timer here (IRC n00b as well) but long term hardware hacker. I have some Sansa Clip+s that are bricked that I am trying to fix
00:27:18audiomodderusing the instructions from here:
00:27:27TheSevenhow are they behaving?
00:28:55audiomodderblank screens, flash seems corrupt / wont format
00:29:10TheSevendo they connect as a usb storage device?
00:29:14TheSevenif so, what capacity?
00:29:26audiomodder4GB but they wont format
00:31:22audiomodderi tried using a partitioning program
00:31:44audiomodderand got one to partition a 100MB primary FAT16
00:32:05TheSevenwas it actually able to write that to the player?
00:32:06audiomodder(this is a different one that actually has a working display)
00:32:19audiomodderafter many attempts, yes
00:32:32TheSevenafter shorting those pins?
00:32:39audiomodderthe player turned on after that, and then kept saying it needed 90MB for the database
00:32:49audiomodderso i gave up, shorted those pins for NAND
00:33:02audiomodderand it saw the full 4GB after that, doing a long format for FAT32 now...
00:33:05TheSevenif it came up AT ALL, this is the wrong way to go
00:33:18audiomodderah OK
00:33:21TheSevenand with that format you have probably actually bricked it
00:33:21audiomoddergood to know
00:33:34audiomodderreally? even thought its the 4GB?
00:33:58TheSeventhis is why the wiki page says to confirm things here *before* trying out anything
00:34:05audiomoddercause I figured I wasnt actually in NAND, since it didnt say "979.75MB"
00:34:12audiomodderyeah, i know....
00:34:14TheSevenanyway, I'm having trouble following your steps
00:34:23audiomodderyeah let me start over.
00:34:33audiomodderI have 3 bricked players
00:34:36TheSevenyou seem to be talking about multiple players, please number them and describe the state of each one, so we don't confuse things
00:34:44audiomodderyeah, sorry about that
00:35:12*TheSeven pings bertrik, funman, and whoever else has experiences with AMS bricks
00:35:25audiomodderThese are all Clip+ btw
00:35:43audiomodderplayer 1 had the working LCD but said "FAT corrupted please plug into a computer and format"
00:36:08TheSevenok, that one definitely doesn't need any shorting of pins then
00:36:44audiomodderIm using Win 7 and I tried formatting it many times, and using "EaseUS Partition Master"
00:37:13audiomodderIt seems to me like the SSD memory is dead, no?
00:38:22TheSevenor you're doing something that the player doesn't support
00:38:52TheSevenI'm not very experienced with these sandisk devices, so I can't properly guide you through this
00:38:52audiomodderI have used clip+ for quite a while, bought these players as a broken lot as a hope of fixing them
00:39:02TheSevenwhat's up with the second one?
00:39:08audiomodderthats ok, i appreciate you talking with me
00:39:30audiomodderthe second one plugs in, sees something but 1) no display whatsoever and 2) wont format either
00:40:09TheSevenso it shows as a drive as well, which capacity?
00:41:34audiomodderit shows 2 drive, one is 4.03MB and one is 3.69GB
00:42:30audiomodder(I had to use the partition program to find that info, Win 7 doesnt like the drives)
00:43:40TheSevenif you have a microsd card in those players, remove it, just to rule that out
00:43:49TheSeventhis could otherwise get a bit confusing ;)
00:44:20TheSevenrun diskmgmt.msc
00:44:23audiomodderno microsd in them
00:44:28TheSeventhat will tell you where those drives are coming from
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00:46:33audiomodderah my mistake it just shows 4MB for Player 2
00:46:41audiomodder4MB RAW
00:47:53TheSevenas far as I can tell this one is dead. you could try shorting the pins there, but that looks like a dead internal SD
00:48:23bertrikmy clip+ has acted funky once, I thought I fixed it by dd'ing the original firmware to it, but other people have not been able to reproduce that
00:48:41TheSevenbertrik: in which state? full capacity or 4MB?
00:48:55TheSevenI have a 4MB dead one here, JTAGging it showed a completely unresponsive internal SD
00:49:01bertrikit's very rare for people to successfully recover a bricked AMS player
00:49:12TheSeveni.e. a JTAG-booted rockbox was able to work from microSD, but couldn't access the internal one
00:49:22bertrikTheSeven: I don't remember
00:49:22TheSevenI think you did the builds for me for these tests back then ;)
00:49:53audiomodderso i have a Q for u all then
00:50:00audiomoddersince these SDs appear pretty dead
00:50:14audiomoddercan you hardware swap the internal SD from another player?
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00:50:29audiomodderIm very good at soldering and can do it, but dont know if the software supports that
00:50:31TheSeventhe first one seems recoverable by software means, the second one probably not.
00:50:53TheSevenif they're otherwise identical devices, it swapping the flash chip might work
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00:51:17TheSevenit's quite possible that it's actually some data structure on that flash that's corrupted, causing the SD controller do not boot up anymore
00:51:25audiomodderthere are slight hardware revisions
00:51:35audiomodderand the chip part #s never are exactly the same
00:51:37TheSevenso even cloning an image of the flash chip might possibly work
00:51:52TheSeven(assuming the chips have exactly the same capacity and layout)
00:52:08audiomodderyeah they do seem to
00:52:12audiomoddersorry 2 convos here now
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00:52:20audiomodderIll stick with the first Q
00:52:37audiomodderif the SD controller doesnt boot, thats when you go to NAND, right>
00:52:39TheSevenlook up the datasheets for those particular chips, if the bank, block, page and spare sizes are identical
00:52:53audiomodderwhat is the proper way to use the NAND? (in windows)
00:53:03TheSevenyou never access the raw nand
00:53:11TheSeventhere's an SD card controller in between
00:53:29TheSevenby connecting these unbricking pins you just make the player unhide its firmware partition
00:53:39audiomodderahhh i see
00:54:13TheSevenso as long as the firmware boots, or the SD controller doesn't respond at all (4MB/32MB mode), there's little point in doing so
00:54:16bertrikIIRC, it has 2 copies of the firmware image in the first 30 or 32 MB
00:54:27audiomodderso by doing my format I deleted my own firmware and bricked it?
00:54:44TheSevenif you did that after unhiding the firmware, quite possibly
00:54:52TheSevenin that case i'd expect it to always boot into this mode now
00:55:03TheSevenso it might be recoverable if you have an image
00:55:18TheSevenwhich player is the one that you formatted this way?
00:55:18audiomodderi do have an image
00:55:31audiomodderand yes it boots into this mode now, with 3.69GB memory
00:55:37audiomodderthis is Player 1
00:55:50audiomodderhow to I flash the image in this mode?
00:56:21bertrikoh, so there is a 4 MB, 32 MB and now a ~4 GB bricked mode?
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00:56:56audiomodderPlayer 1 is a 4GB bricked on (I reformatted in recovery mode before talked to you)
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00:57:27audiomodderPlayer 2 is a 4MB mode, havent shorted pins yet
00:58:36audiomodderI also have a player 3 in 32MB mode (I tried swapping the internal SD chip, apparently unsuccessfully)
00:58:40bertrikaudiomodder: it's all very vague. The people who managed to unbrick it, if any, didn't really document it
00:59:00audiomodderthat sucks
00:59:07audiomodderI saw this:
00:59:09bertrikI'd try dd'ing a clppa.bin image to the 4GB one
00:59:18audiomodderuser "Darko" said they would document it
00:59:36bertrikthe 4 MB mode may just expose the (D)RAM and not access the flash at all
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01:00:11audiomodderunfortunately the 4GB wont format
01:00:33audiomodderI can get it to format sometimes by creating partitions on it, and making a small partition that seems to work
01:00:46audiomodderbut the full 4GB wont complete a format :/
01:01:48bertrikI think trying to format is no use at this stage
01:02:23audiomodderyeah, so how do I put clppa.bin on it then>
01:02:44TheSevenaudiomodder: if player 1 still shows something on the display after rebooting, you haven't actually managed to corrupt the firmware
01:02:56bertrikwith dd, it's like writing raw sectors to it
01:03:19bertrikcareful, dd to the wrong device can screw up your HDD contents
01:03:30audiomodderlol Im such a n00b, I thought you meant :download"
01:03:47audiomodderTheSeven: there is no display now :'( I should have come here first
01:03:57audiomodder<<< face palm for not following inst.
01:04:17TheSevenin that case, you'll probably have to write the raw firmware image to it
01:04:25audiomodderHOWEVER, Player 1 did format!!
01:04:35TheSevenif that works, it should be back to where it was before
01:04:37audiomodderto FAT16 successfully
01:04:52audiomodderhow do I write raw firmware image to it?
01:04:57audiomodderwhat is "dd"?
01:05:18TheSeventhat's nonsense. it won't expect any partitioning/formatting in this mode. you only need to format the data partition of the flash, and that needs to be FAT32
01:05:24TheSevendd is a linux "disk dump" tool
01:05:34TheSevenyou can probably use something like rawwrite for windows instead
01:05:54audiomodderSo the clip+ does not work with FAT16?
01:06:07audiomodderOK Ill try FAT32
01:06:08TheSevenrockbox doesn't work with fat16 as far as I know
01:06:12TheSevennot sure about the original firmware
01:06:29TheSevenbut if it has no display at all, formatting won't help at this point (only after recovering the corrupted firmware)
01:06:47TheSevenbertrik: does clppa.bin just need to be written to the first sectors of the internal SD?
01:07:22bertrikyes I think so, but that's just an educated guess
01:07:28bertrikbed time for me
01:07:53audiomodderthanks for your help bertrik
01:07:57TheSevenwell, you guess is at least more educated than mine :)
01:08:08audiomodderI just downloaded RawWrite for WIndows.
01:08:16audiomodderon startup is says "no floppy found:
01:08:47audiomodderand it wont let me select the Sansa drive
01:08:50TheSevenhm, yes, seems like that one can only do floppys
01:08:51bertrikjust be careful you don't accidentally write to your harddisk
01:08:56TheSeventhey did also make a dd tool though
01:08:57audiomodderdo you know another program for windows that does this?
01:09:25TheSeven (from the same developer), but it's a command line tool
01:09:35audiomodderah found it
01:09:41TheSeven might be easier to use
01:09:47audiomoddernice just clicked on that link
01:10:11audiomodderok ill try that one
01:11:48audiomodderOK I installed it and have it read to write
01:11:57audiomodderdo I select MD5 Hash?
01:13:19TheSevenjust select clppa.bin and the correct drive, then click write
01:14:05TheSeventhen safely eject the USB drive if possible, then power down the player
01:14:13TheSeven(10 second press on the power button)
01:14:36TheSevenif everything worked, it should boot back up normally (and possibly complain about formatting problems) after powering it back on
01:16:22audiomodderyeah it says FAT is corrupted again now
01:16:33TheSevenwow, we should probably document that this does indeed work ;)
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01:17:13audiomodderyeah that would be good
01:17:30audiomodderso what do I do now?
01:18:06audiomodderdiskmgmnt shows 3.69GB RAW again
01:18:24audiomodderdisplay works and shows as connected
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01:30:35audiomodderTheSeven you are my only hope heh
01:31:50TheSevenaudiomodder: try formatting that as fat32
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01:32:15TheSevenor, if that doesn't work for some reason, delete the partition in diskmgmt.msc, recreate it, and format it again
01:33:47audiomodderwow, it worked this time
01:33:58audiomodderI guess recovery mode was the right way to go
01:34:30audiomodderI put clppa.bin on it but when I uplug from PC it still says "FAT corrupted" :/
01:35:59audiomodderany ideas how to get it to write the firmware now? the internal SD appears good now
01:36:07*TheSeven is confused
01:36:26TheSevenwhat exactly did you do now?
01:37:07audiomodderformatted FAT 32
01:37:14audiomoddersafely disconnect
01:37:21audiomodderand it reboots and says FAT corrupted
01:37:38audiomodderoh I put clppa.bin in the root before disconnect
01:37:59TheSevenok, so not using win32diskimager or anything? good.
01:38:07TheSevenhm, not sure why it doesn't like the FAT
01:38:17TheSeventry completely deleting and recreating the partition
01:38:32audiomodderstill fat32?
01:38:48TheSevenif that also doesn't help, check with sandisk support if there's anything special you need to do to format these (maybe they have a tool for that on their site?)
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01:40:06audiomoddermaybe it needs a long format?
01:40:17TheSevena quick format should be sufficient
01:40:49audiomodderoh holy crap batman!
01:40:53audiomodderit worked now!!
01:41:00TheSevenwho'd have thought ;)
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01:41:03audiomodder<<<is a true believer
01:41:16audiomodderoh man youre my hero
01:41:30TheSevenwell, this last step is probably everything that was needed to be done in the first place
01:41:55audiomodderso basically recover mode > reformat > diskwrite firmware > format FAT32 > install firmare
01:41:59audiomodderno it wasnt at all
01:42:11audiomodderformats didnt work before I did the long format in recovery mode
01:42:23audiomodderwindows *hated* that internal SD
01:42:32TheSeventhe "delete and recreate partition, format fat32" was probably everything that was necessary
01:42:36TheSevenhow exactly did the formats fail?
01:43:01audiomodderit just kept saying "windows unable to complete the format"
01:43:20audiomodderIm pretty sure I tried deleting the partition too
01:43:22audiomoddermaybe not
01:43:36audiomodder*shrug* Im glad I learned how the recovery mode works though!
01:43:38TheSevenweird, but I'm happy that it works again :)
01:43:57audiomodderhopefully I can get another one working with the new things Ive learned today too :)
01:44:09audiomodderI have 3 dead ones still lol
01:44:27audiomodderIm gonna swap the internal SD chip back onto Player 3 and do recovery
01:44:32audiomodderer, what we just did
01:44:50audiomodderthe other 2 say 32MB and 4MB, so they are totally dead, no>?
01:44:51TheSeventhat's only going to work if it appears with its full capacity
01:45:02TheSevenquite likely, yes
01:45:08audiomodderah thats a shame
01:45:10TheSevenwe don't know what exactly is dead though
01:45:10audiomodderparts bin
01:45:15TheSeveneither the flash chip, or the data on it
01:45:44audiomodderis there a way I can write this up
01:45:44TheSeventhere are some internal data structures for the wear leveling and bad block management, if those get screwed up, it could be possible for it to fail that way
01:45:57audiomodderor someone else to do that? I think this info could help ppl
01:46:23audiomodderyeah I tried recover mode on player 2, still 4MB :/
01:46:30audiomodderbut Im so happy this one is working
01:46:41audiomodderthat means spendign the $$$ on broken players was worth it after all! :)
01:47:03TheSevenso if you have a flash chip from a player that works (or at least ends up in the full capacity recovery mode), and one from a 4/32MB one with identical internal geometry, cloning an image from one to the other might possibly help
01:47:13TheSevenbut you need a raw nand programmer to do that
01:47:26TheSevenand you'll probably have to quite some research on these things
01:47:37audiomodderthat sounds complex
01:47:46audiomodderi dont even know what a raw nand programmer is
01:48:03TheSeventhen you can probably consider those devices dead
01:48:40TheSeven(for the record, I once had a sandisk microsd card which showed similar behavior: 32MB capacity after being flaky for a while)
01:49:09TheSeven(sandisk said that's clearly an RMA case, not fixable by the end user, so I got a replacement card)
01:49:21audiomodderoh interesting
01:49:23audiomodderthats good to know
01:49:27audiomodderi can still use the parts
01:49:32audiomodderheadphone port, battery and all that
01:49:43audiomodderplus the buttons break with water damage and all that
01:49:51TheSeven(they also said that this was a rather common issue with that generation of cards, and wouldn't happen again with the replacement card)
01:49:56audiomodderive fixed these before swapping that kinda stuff
01:50:10audiomodderi learned the hard way to not buy SD cards on ebay
01:50:13audiomodderthey all did crap like that
01:50:22TheSevenso this kinda reminds me of Samsung's eMMC "SuperBrick" bug
01:50:42TheSevenso it might after all be a firmware bug of SanDisk SD cards
01:51:11TheSevenwhich in turn means it's quite likely that the SD controller in these devices could have similar bugs
01:51:46audiomodderi love these things tho
01:51:51audiomodderwhen I show them to people
01:51:54audiomoddertheir eyes go wide
01:52:13audiomodderthey dont understand how it can have a built in radio and voice recorder in addition to the player
01:52:20audiomodderso many people stuck on the apple stuff
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01:56:55adnapCan Rockbox for Android play from a URL? If not, does anyone know a good app that does this?
01:57:25alexbobpI use MX Player for handling video files and streams. (warning, free version is ad supported)
01:57:27scorche|shrockbox does not - any other app would be off-topic for this channel...
01:57:47alexbobpscorche|sh: wait so are you saying if someone knows a useful thing to recommend it's not ok to say it?
01:58:02alexbobpadnap: and a free app just for streams is servestream
01:58:12scorche|shalexbobp: this channel is for the discussion of rockbox - not for other items
01:58:30scorche|shalexbobp: feel free to join another channel to talk about other subjects or even send a PM...
01:58:36audiomodderwell hopefully this info gets written up somewhere
01:58:52alexbobpit was just a short answer to one question and the question did involve rockbox. it's over now, don't worry
01:58:57audiomodderfor the recovery mode sansa stuff i mean
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02:21:31audiomodderTheSeven, are you there?
02:22:03audiomodderJust wanted to let you know that the recovery mode format really seems to be what saved it
02:22:22audiomodderI swaped the internal SD back into player 3 and it wont format or delete the partition (its 8GB)
02:22:44audiomodderso I think the recovery mode format is key to saving some of these bricked players (if you do a write-up)
02:27:29JdGordonsoap: re your forum thread about random foder advance
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02:38:05audiomodderOK I posted the info from earlier today here:,29097.0.html
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02:54:15soapJdGordon, yea, what's up
02:54:45JdGordonoh, was just saying you should have asked in here, could have had it done over the weekend :)
02:55:31soapWhat you mention in the thread sounds fine. This would be a plugin modification?
02:56:14soapand taking the weight from the parent folder is one of those important little things which makes it so much easier to manage in a large collection I didn't think of.
02:57:35JdGordonmy plan is to fix it all so the code handles the current style and the new style so you'd only need to regen if you want to add the weights
02:57:48JdGordonshould be pretty simple
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04:40:16[Saint]JdGordon: regarding the multi-AA patch, tested and working fine, however...I think we can get away with this change without breaking any existing themes, or creating any new tags.
04:41:02[Saint]The way I see it happening is that %Cl "Just Works", if the theme only contains a single declaration - nothing changes. But the author should also have the option of using %Cl with an ident.
04:41:20[Saint](this makes the code a lot more sonsistent with the way image and viewport preloads work)
04:43:34[Saint]%Cl(ident, x,y,w,h,x-align,y-align) + %Cd(ident)
04:43:54JdGordon2 reasons I don't want to do that
04:44:25JdGordon1) Using the new tag alows me to change when the image is drawn (i.e imeeditably instead of at the end of the viewport, allows you to better control overlapping images)
04:44:41JdGordon2) adding the extra optinoal ident is seriously messy in the parsing code
04:44:42[Saint]*inconsistent control ;)
04:45:22JdGordonI've always hated how the images are batch drawn at the end of each viewport
04:45:24[Saint]Ideally, I would like this to work the same as any other preloaded item.
04:45:45[Saint]And, to be perfectly honest, I think adding a new tag for this is confusing and overkill.
04:45:52[Saint]but, meh.
04:46:45JdGordonthe issue is (like I keep saying but havnt looked into coding yet) next track images, and alternate images... *front*, *back*, etc
04:46:48[Saint]If it was done this way the theme code could be a _lot_ cleaner.
04:47:03JdGordon2 tags is cleaner than 1?
04:47:07[Saint]AA could be preloaded just the same as images or condiditional viewports.
04:47:14[Saint]And wouldn;t be ties to a particular viewport.
04:47:44[Saint]And, 2 tags isn't necessary, but it is *consistent*.
04:47:54JdGordonit doesnt make a difference, each dimension is only loaded once
04:48:27JdGordonthe new tag doesnt care about the viewport also
04:48:50[Saint]Oh - joy <rolleyes> ;)
04:49:12[Saint]So, it could be contained in a viewport, but, not give a fuck about it...? Yay consuistency! :)
04:49:40JdGordonit is drawn in the viewport as usual, and rendered with the viewport
04:50:02JdGordon%Cl/%Cd is really not required
04:50:21JdGordonit may end up being required once I fix %C for this though
04:50:31JdGordonerr, idents might be required
04:50:59JdGordonI would have thought you prefer knowing for sure in what order images are drawn?
04:51:11JdGordonin relatio to the rest of the viewport, all text and images in it?
04:52:18JdGordonim going for lunch, back in 20
04:52:30[Saint]Perhaps I misparsed your statement, I would find it very confusing if the AA call came after a viewport declaration, but was still able to draw in the fullscreen viewport.
04:52:57[Saint]ANd, ultimately, I'm easy - but I do think that having it use idents would be a lot nicer for a few ways.
04:54:35[Saint]Knowing when the image will be drawn isn't ultimately that important IMO as you can already send things to the backdrop buffer anyway.
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05:10:38JdGordon[Saint]: no, x,y are viewport relative (just as they are now)
05:11:18[Saint]Theh I guess I have NFI what "<JdGordon> the new tag doesnt care about the viewport also" meant.
05:12:06JdGordonThat was in reply to you saying "<[Saint]> And wouldn;t be ties to a particular viewport." ... they arent
05:12:54JdGordonmaybe its a misunderstanding somewhere
05:13:37JdGordonif you have %Xd(anything, anything, 100, 100, anything, anything) 45 times in your wps it will still only load the image on the buffer once
05:13:43JdGordonso it doesnt matter about idents
05:14:49[Saint] I guess my bef simply boils down to consistency then.
05:14:51JdGordonalso, imo your ideal situation is broken (with images also). the image size should be linked with the preload but he image position should be on the display tag, %xd(ident) really is wierd
05:16:12JdGordonthis works with images because they are almost always only displayed in one place
05:17:00[Saint]I don't think the display tag has any business in governing the position, personally.
05:17:09[Saint]That's (historically) for the preload call.
05:17:22JdGordonindeed.. an accident of history imo
05:18:07JdGordonthat last commit about reusing image buffers owuldnt be neseccary if this wasnt the case
05:18:18[Saint]Well, changing that is a massive, skin breaking change, and doing AA any other way adds yet another confusing aspect where elements need to be handled completely differently to their entirely similar counterpart tags.
05:18:33[Saint]%Cd shouldn't, in theory, be any different to %xd
05:18:47JdGordonwhich is why I've gone a new tag
05:18:55JdGordonbut this isnt final yet so dont worry :)
05:19:08[Saint]that's just putting lipstick on a pig, though. ;)
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10:07:18TheSevenwhat should we do about this?,29097.msg228611.html#msg228611
10:07:30TheSevenI think these instructions are potentially dangerous and mostly pointless
10:08:07TheSevenit's mostly a "how I managed to fuck it up even more, and then recover it" story
10:09:37wodzimo we should delete this as potentially harmful
10:09:52wodzthis will rise criticism though
10:10:30TheSevenI think that it needs some more disclaimers and warnings at the very least, and should probably be moved to the wiki
10:10:43TheSeveni.e. extend the AMS unbrick page
10:11:20TheSeventhe important information is: "yes, writing clppa.bin to sector 0 of a non-booting player showing the full capacity does work, at least sometimes"
10:11:46TheSevenand I'm a bit puzzled why he had trouble formatting the player before doing that recovery mode mess
10:14:04TheSeventhis "zero out the whole device in recovery mode" is something that could go into the back of our minds as a very last resort measure for otherwise non-recoverable devices
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10:14:08edhelashi everyone :)
10:14:15TheSevenbut I wouldn't like to have that on the wiki
10:14:57Neiif all of you die it might be nice if it were written down somewhere
10:15:48wodzthe truth is that without proper understanding how *exactly* amsv2 boots this is pure trial and fail aproach
10:15:49edhelasI'll put a compactflash card in my iPod Mini soon, any known issues with rockbox ?
10:16:47TheSevenactually I think that everything relevant is contained already in,29115
10:16:53wodzedhelas: not that I know of. General advice is to use good cards from established brands rather then nonames
10:16:56TheSevenso that other post should probably just go away
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10:18:22edhelaswodz, I'll buy this with a Kingston SDHC card
10:18:49edhelasI've seen that it support IDE stuffs
10:20:00TheSevenwhile they typically should (and it might be fixable in software if they don't), these things are by no means guaranteed to work with ipods and rockbox
10:20:07wodzeee, wait you are talking about cf<->sd converter. That is not the same as CF itself.
10:20:11TheSevenwe've had some cases, especially on ipod classics though, where they didn't
10:20:26edhelaswodz, yeah I know
10:20:58edhelas someone already tried this brand here
10:20:59wodzedhelas: we had reports of failing diferent something<->sd converters in the past
10:21:56wodzedhelas: so basically no guarantee while I can say based on my personal experience that regular CF just works
10:22:21edhelasok :) I'll try and give you a feedback
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10:35:28edhelaswodz, some guys have successfully used this brand adapter in their iPod :)
10:41:38wodzedhelas: I am not saying it doesn't work. I just say that while regular CFs have been tested by many, various adapters not
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10:43:35edhelasok :)
10:43:50TheSevenedhelas: with those tarkan adapters in particular we have some trouble on ipod classics
10:43:56TheSevenonly with SD cards from some brands though
10:44:29TheSeventhe good news is that tarkan himself appeared in #freemyipod-support and tried to help debug these issues
10:44:49TheSeven(I hope he'll come back one day with bus traces of what's happening)
10:44:54wodzTheSeven: really? Thats unusual
10:45:19TheSevenyeah he said he has equipment to actually capture what's going on on the ata pins to see who's at fault here
10:46:15copperLexar cards work for some reason, SanDisk cards don't
10:46:20TheSevenI think one of his customers pulled him into our channel ;)
10:46:51edhelasit's nice
10:47:06copperedhelas: also, battery life with my adapter from Tarkan was abysmal, but I couldn't be arsed to debug it either
10:47:30TheSevenI think there are several people with tarkan adapters without battery issues though
10:47:33copperTheSeven: my adapter is on its way to your mailbox
10:47:37edhelason your ipod mini ?
10:47:51TheSevenso I guess that there was something wrong with this particular adapter or even adapter-card combination
10:47:54copperI posted it yesterday
10:47:55TheSevencopper: thanks :)
10:48:12TheSevenedhelas: that was on a classic
10:48:29edhelasok :)
10:49:00copperTheSeven: btw, amazon refunded me before my Lexar card even left the post office
10:49:02TheSevenit's quite likely that the pre-classic ipods are a bit less picky
10:49:25copperthe full 110 euros
10:49:29wodzcopper: As I said earlier - the power to hdd is hw cut when not in use so it would need to consume HUGE amount when active to see the difference
10:49:52copperwell it will be in the hands of TheSeven
10:50:17gevaertswodz: is it really cut?
10:50:38*gevaerts is surprised by that
10:50:56TheSevengevaerts: how does ARC handle enabling of ep>0? I'm having trouble finding a suitable spot in my new driver
10:51:04wodzgevaerts: ask TheSeven but judging from code we mess with PMU for that
10:51:05copperTheSeven: keep the adapter whether you "fix" it or not, I'm done with my iPod
10:52:02wodzgevaerts: anyway what is so surprising? On older hardware (irivers, mpios) the power line for hdd goes through mos just for that
10:52:03copperthough it'd be nice for future customers of Tarkan's if you guys could figure it out
10:52:07TheSevenyes, there's a boost-buck converter in the PMU that provides 3.3V for the HDD, which we're shutting off (apple as well) while the disk isn't "spinning"
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10:53:30TheSevengevaerts: the only place that I could set is in usb_drv_recv
10:53:40TheSeventhat's a bit nasty though
10:54:01TheSevenor in usb_drv_cancel_all_transfers, which is even more counter-intuitive
10:54:48wodzTheSeven: usb_drv_request_endpoint() ?
10:55:02gevaertsTheSeven: it keeps an array of endpoint allocations (called "endpoints") which is filled by usb_drv_request_endpoint(). This array is then used by init_queue_heads() and init_endpoints() to set up the hardware. Those are called by usb_drv_set_address()
10:55:08TheSevenwodz: that happens *before* usb_cancel_all_transfers, which will take them down again
10:55:52TheSevengevaerts: that implies that your cancel_all_transfers implementation doesn't actually disable the endpoints
10:56:03TheSevenwell, maybe I should just leave all of them activated all the time
10:56:15gevaertsDoes it have to?
10:56:25gevaertsIt needs to stop transfers in progress
10:56:47wodzTheSeven: cancel_all_transfers should kill the ongoing transfers not deactivate endpoints imo
10:57:39TheSevenwell, as long as we don't have to deal with multiple configurations, we can probably get away without ever disabling endpoints
10:58:25*gevaerts isn't sure if anyone actually ever implemented support for multiple configurations in a host stack
10:58:41TheSevenlinux definitely supports that
10:59:11gevaertsHow does it decide which one to pick?
11:00:34TheSevenit picks the first available, unless something higher level instructs it to pick another one
11:00:47*gevaerts nods
11:00:54TheSevenfrom e.g. libusb you can just do a set_configuration(index) to switch to a different one on the fly
11:01:13gevaertsThe thing is that "something higher level" has to know about the specific device
11:01:27gevaertsWhich won't be true for MSC I strongly suspect!
11:01:56TheSevenI'm just saying that the host stack can do it ;)
11:02:25gevaertsYes, I'll admit I was wrong :)
11:15:21*TheSeven crosses fingers :)
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11:18:17TheSevenhm, something keeps stalling EP1 IN for some reason
11:23:09TheSevenrace condition :/
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11:43:05TheSevenhm... we're getting close :)
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11:54:25TheSevenok, the current situation is this:
11:54:36TheSevenmass storage alone seems to work on linux at the first glance
11:54:50TheSevenhaven't tested it extensively yet
11:54:58TheSevenhid however fails
11:55:30TheSeventhe ipod stops responding to anything on EP0 after sending the first GET DESCRIPTOR RPIPE response
11:55:56TheSevenon EP1 it sends an ACK for the first CBW, but never returns a CSW
11:56:16TheSeventhe kernel itself seems to be still alive at this point, it dies a few seconds later when the host issues a bus reset
11:58:02TheSevenif I disconnect it before that bus reset, we run into what looks like a lockup of the USB thread
11:58:21TheSevenwhich is a bit odd as disconnecting should cause a bus reset IRQ as well
11:58:30TheSevenso whatever locks up the kernel must be happening a bit later
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12:53:59JdGordondoes anyone use the random folder advance thing?
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15:01:59TheSevenpamaury, gevaerts: seems like this USB core can only send up to 127 bytes at once on EP0
15:02:10TheSeventhe HID REPORT descriptor is 133 bytes
15:02:17TheSeventhat causes a lockup during enumeration
15:02:25pamaurythat's super weird
15:02:33TheSevenI'll probably have to split that thing in the driver code
15:02:53TheSeventhe transfer size field is just 7 bits on EP0
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15:04:33pamauryTheSeven: does the core automatically splits into packets or you have to do that ? because it the latter, you already have to cut in pieces
15:04:49TheSevenit seems like the core does that for all but ep0
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15:05:22pamauryI alwayw knew that it was rotten to the core ;)
15:06:35wodzhaha, what a creativity of hw designers :P
15:07:04wodzthe contest of least expected quirk or what?
15:07:47gevaerts"Who ever needs more than 127 byte descriptors?"
15:08:16wodzgevaerts: I'd expect 640 bytes to meet everybody needs :P
15:08:28pamaury"software can always compensate for hardware quirks he said"
15:08:38gevaertswodz: now that *would* be a reasonable size! :)
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15:09:27wodzhow random is sram state on power up?
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15:41:07TheSevenactually I guess this field is 7 bits in order to be able to express "64 bytes", not "127 bytes"
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16:24:49TheSevenok, looks like I fixed hid to not mess with storage at least
16:25:05TheSevenhid itself still doesn't seem to actually do anything though
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17:40:31baudamsshorted the pads and it is now exposing a 30.6MiB disk which I suppose is the bootloader flash
17:40:53baudamsthe device refused to boot after 3 days left disconnected and a full day left charging
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22:36:49bluebrotherTortelloni: if you have a question just ask. If someone can help you they will answer as soon as they are active
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22:48:41TortelloniOk, i got a sansa clip plus. with default firrmware it isn't possible to prevent charging the battery if the sansa is conncted to the pc. is there a hidden option in rockbox with which it's possible? if not, will it integrated anyday? -given that there is an interface for it...
22:56:14Tortelloniit just suck the the battery is charging everytime i put some files on my sansa. and it's not possible to prohibit charging the battery by a usb-cable-mod. the only way is to do that by the firmware. therefore it would be nice if there is a possibility to do that with rockbox
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