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| 01:49:32 | TheSeven | how does rockbox handle nonpresent batteries? |
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| 01:54:52 | [Saint] | TheSeven: some devices don't care at all |
| 01:55:25 | TheSeven | well on the classic it causes a low battery shutdown, which is kinda pointless if no battery is present in the first place |
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| 02:26:29 | * | TheSeven throws another patch in here: g#899 |
| 02:26:32 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #899 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/899 : iPod Classic: Prevent low battery shutdown if no battery is present by Michael Sparmann |
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| 06:53:19 | HaiKaiDo | I have a 5th gen ipod video and I replaced the hard drive with a 120gb msata card and everythings running fine and normal on the regular ipod side but when I install rockbox it just says PANIC ata: -11 |
| 06:53:30 | HaiKaiDo | could these things be related? |
| 06:54:01 | HaiKaiDo | googled the ata: -11 error and i dont see anything about it anywhere |
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| 06:55:52 | [Saint] | run the iPod through a firmware restore and rinse and repeat. |
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| 06:59:58 | HaiKaiDo | ill give it a try [Saint] |
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| 07:21:58 | [Saint] | That's the absolutely canonical way of ensuring the HDD is set up exactly as the iPod would like it to be. |
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| 08:18:32 | shdwprince | There is additional arguments to configure or make for iPod classic? 've tried and got error on jpeg_idct_arm.S |
| 08:18:52 | [Saint] | No. |
| 08:20:45 | [Saint] | git head builds fine here. |
| 08:20:58 | [Saint] | If there's a compilation error, its your doing, I'm afraid. |
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| 08:37:29 | headwhacker | Hi, I managed to boot rockbox on DX90. I got a problem with volume. |
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| 08:39:20 | headwhacker | playing a file after a fresh boot, there is no sound until the backlight turns off. Volume up/down buttons seems responding but it's not affecting the sound stuck at a very loud volume. |
| 08:39:43 | [Saint] | headwhacker: the iBasso stuff isn't merged with our sources, and doesn't stand much of a chance of being merged, unless anyone else picks it up. |
| 08:40:03 | [Saint] | It bastardizes the Android port, instead of being its own distinct port. |
| 08:40:08 | [Saint] | So - no inclusion. |
| 08:40:37 | [Saint] | You'd probably have to talk to the original iBasso port guy...who seems to have vanished off the face of the earth. |
| 08:40:48 | [Saint] | Sorry. :-/ |
| 08:41:13 | headwhacker | no worries, that's probably the best thing to do |
| 08:42:02 | [Saint] | I can't even tell you what the best way to get hold of him/her would be I'm afraid. |
| 08:48:35 | [Saint] | Hmmm, in hindsight, it is somewhat fitting that the iBasso Rockbox port bastardized the Android port since iBasso bastardized Android for their iBasso firmware to begin with... |
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| 08:52:37 | [Saint] | Its essentially another hosted linux application, but, kludged into Android with most of the relevant Android bits stripped out. |
| 08:53:02 | [Saint] | I would *love* to know what drugs who was on when they decided that was a good idea. |
| 08:55:11 | HaiKaiDo | Well I restored the ipod and wiped it clean. Installed rockbox and it gave me the same ata -11 error |
| 08:55:27 | HaiKaiDo | No clue why roxbox doesnt want to co operate |
| 08:55:56 | [Saint] | But the OF works flawlessly? |
| 08:58:07 | HaiKaiDo | yep |
| 08:58:14 | HaiKaiDo | syncing and everything works great |
| 08:58:49 | HaiKaiDo | Im willing to bet it has to do with the fact that Im using that Ziff to Sata adapter and the msata card |
| 08:59:00 | HaiKaiDo | bummer |
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| 08:59:10 | [Saint] | Ahhhhhhhhhhh...why didn't I click. Derp. |
| 08:59:14 | [Saint] | The Tarkan one? |
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| 09:01:56 | HaiKaiDo | you mean which adapter? |
| 09:02:05 | [Saint] | I do. |
| 09:02:12 | HaiKaiDo | lemme double check heh |
| 09:02:25 | HaiKaiDo | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009BA5JU6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
| 09:02:29 | HaiKaiDo | thats the one i bought |
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| 09:07:06 | HaiKaiDo | is there something inherently wrong with using an adapter and rockbox? |
| 09:07:24 | [Saint] | There shouldn't be, no. In theory. |
| 09:07:43 | [Saint] | And, again in theory, if the OF is willing to accept it, Rockbox should too. |
| 09:07:48 | [Saint] | In practice, however... |
| 09:12:08 | HaiKaiDo | hmm so more googling tells me that rockbox does not support modding your ipod |
| 09:12:15 | HaiKaiDo | http://beyondwind.duckdns.org/?page_id=5 |
| 09:12:36 | [Saint] | That's some plain BS right there. |
| 09:12:50 | HaiKaiDo | well someone released a patched version on that page |
| 09:12:50 | [Saint] | If the OF is willing to accept it, Rockbox should too. |
| 09:13:07 | HaiKaiDo | and for alot of people it was the only way to get it to work |
| 09:13:25 | HaiKaiDo | "Official Rockbox firmware does not support this MOD so download the patched rockbox firmware" |
| 09:13:46 | * | [Saint] remembers to harass that guy about GPL violation |
| 09:13:52 | HaiKaiDo | xD |
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| 09:14:36 | HaiKaiDo | http://beyondwind.duckdns.org/downloads/ipod5g_msata_mod.patch |
| 09:14:42 | HaiKaiDo | thats the patch he made |
| 09:15:11 | [Saint] | Aha. I guess I'm blind then. |
| 09:15:45 | HaiKaiDo | problem is, i have no idea what to do with any of it XD |
| 09:15:54 | HaiKaiDo | and its probably an outdated version of rockbox -_- |
| 09:19:05 | * | [Saint] wonders if this relates to sector size fuckery. |
| 09:20:14 | HaiKaiDo | its possible |
| 09:20:46 | HaiKaiDo | is there anywhere to request features or support for things such as this? |
| 09:21:08 | [Saint] | What model of Video did this start off life as? |
| 09:21:23 | HaiKaiDo | 80gb V5 |
| 09:21:29 | [Saint] | Actually, I don't think that has mattered since ages. Nevermind. |
| 09:24:52 | HaiKaiDo | hmm interesting |
| 09:25:13 | HaiKaiDo | that same guy from the earlier website actually subbmitted his patch on the forums |
| 09:25:13 | HaiKaiDo | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,42523.45.html |
| 09:25:19 | HaiKaiDo | guess it wasnt accepted? |
| 09:25:47 | HaiKaiDo | lol you responded to him! XD |
| 09:26:07 | [Saint] | Probably because the forums are a terrible place to dump patches when we have an issue tracker and gerrit instance for this. |
| 09:26:34 | HaiKaiDo | well since im sure that guy has disapeared into the the nothingness, is there anything you can do with it? :D |
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| 09:27:18 | [Saint] | Not without doing a cleanroom reimplementation because I can't credit the submission to any real name as we require. |
| 09:27:29 | [Saint] | (one of the reasons I asked for that to happen in the thread) |
| 09:27:37 | HaiKaiDo | well crap |
| 09:27:48 | HaiKaiDo | looks like no rockbox for me |
| 09:28:01 | [Saint] | I'm also not qualified to judge the edits made there. |
| 09:28:09 | [Saint] | Some content there seems superflous to me. |
| 09:28:32 | HaiKaiDo | im sure it would be a much better place to start than no where |
| 09:30:09 | [Saint] | I'm not sure if we'd ever get a situation that works out of the box everywhere. |
| 09:30:12 | HaiKaiDo | of course the guy has 0 ways to contact him on his site -_- |
| 09:30:19 | [Saint] | I mean, look at the last guy in that thread, for instance. |
| 09:30:32 | [Saint] | "Hey, I did absolutely nothing different, and it worked for me" |
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| 09:32:01 | HaiKaiDo | I dont see that after BeyondWinds post |
| 09:32:24 | [Saint] | "Scratch that, I was able to install by restoring the ipod after the error to original ipod firmware. Then I downloaded the rockbox ulitity, ran just the bootloader install, and used your .rockbox zip instead of trying to "overwrite" the existing installed rockbox. Worked like a charm!" |
| 09:32:29 | [Saint] | I was paraphrasing. |
| 09:32:39 | HaiKaiDo | yeah, he said it was an OF problem |
| 09:33:05 | HaiKaiDo | unless im reading wrong |
| 09:33:16 | [Saint] | Actually, I parsed it incorrectly. |
| 09:33:46 | [Saint] | Bah. |
| 09:33:48 | HaiKaiDo | it just seems like because its an unofficial patch, the install method is wonky |
| 09:34:14 | [Saint] | I wonder what's going on. I have a Crucial something-or-other in one of my Videos. |
| 09:34:26 | [Saint] | (which couldn't work more fine if it tried) |
| 09:35:08 | HaiKaiDo | and im using a crucial M500 120gb msata card |
| 09:35:30 | HaiKaiDo | soooo somethings gotta be with how rockbox is dealing with msata |
| 09:36:18 | [Saint] | I _think_ its a crucial... |
| 09:36:27 | [Saint] | Difference is there's no adapter plate. |
| 09:36:48 | HaiKaiDo | how are you going from ziff to msata? |
| 09:36:50 | [Saint] | Someone abandoned a 40 pin ZIF SSD at my hackerspace. |
| 09:37:01 | HaiKaiDo | O_O |
| 09:37:07 | [Saint] | IKR? ;) |
| 09:37:13 | HaiKaiDo | how randomly lucky ffs lol |
| 09:37:36 | HaiKaiDo | I might just try what the last post suggest's as far as install method |
| 09:39:49 | HaiKaiDo | I even I even tried the latest dev build |
| 09:39:53 | HaiKaiDo | and that didnt work either |
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| 09:50:55 | TheSeven | HaiKaiDo: you most likely need this fix: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/897 |
| 09:54:35 | [Saint] | TheSeven: for a Video? |
| 09:54:54 | TheSeven | ah, I was thinking classic... |
| 09:56:03 | [Saint] | I'm wondering if setting up with 2048byte sectors will magically make things work here |
| 09:57:15 | TheSeven | why 2048? |
| 09:57:50 | [Saint] | Or 512, or...something not 1096 |
| 09:57:56 | [Saint] | *4096 |
| 09:58:07 | TheSeven | doesn't the video use 512? |
| 09:58:28 | [Saint] | 512 for the 30GB and 2048 for the 80, IIRC. |
| 09:58:33 | TheSeven | the classic is doing 4096, which should actually make life easier for ssds |
| 09:59:05 | * | TheSeven reminds people that he needs reviews and testing for g#897, g#898 and g#899 |
| 09:59:10 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #897 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/897 : iPod Classic: Fix several ATA driver bugs. by Michael Sparmann |
| 09:59:10 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #898 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/898 : iPod Classic: Properly detect external power and charging state. by Michael Sparmann |
| 09:59:11 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #899 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/899 : iPod Classic: Prevent low battery shutdown if no battery is present by Michael Sparmann |
| 09:59:20 | [Saint] | Well done fs-bluebot! |
| 09:59:28 | [Saint] | Good buy, have a treat. |
| 09:59:31 | [Saint] | *boy |
| 09:59:40 | HaiKaiDo | just got back and caught up on the conversation |
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| 10:00:30 | * | [Saint] is very interested in iPod Classic: Properly detect external power and charging state. |
| 10:01:19 | [Saint] | No more thinking my Apple wall warts trying to connect |
| 10:01:25 | TheSeven | I still didn't find a current sensor yet, seems like it has none :/ |
| 10:01:50 | TheSeven | and that neither... that's USB-related |
| 10:02:10 | TheSeven | what I fixed is that it actually knows when it charges, and when firewire power is present |
| 10:02:16 | [Saint] | I'm wanting to play with the dualboot, but, IIUC, this isn;t working on the CEATA fat-fat-fatsons, is it? |
| 10:02:40 | TheSeven | I see no reason why ceata would need special treatment for that |
| 10:02:50 | [Saint] | Ah. I must've misparsed. |
| 10:03:08 | TheSeven | it used to be the other way round before we fixed HDD byte order back in 2011 ;) |
| 10:03:42 | TheSeven | dualboot should just work with emcore head |
| 10:03:50 | [Saint] | How does the dualboot installer work? I assume it needs to be installed from a restored iPod in order to actually function? |
| 10:04:07 | TheSeven | not integrated in the boot menu or installer yet, but you can obtain an apple firmware image somehow and just "runfirmware" it through emcore.py, it should work |
| 10:04:16 | [Saint] | Ahhhh. |
| 10:04:47 | TheSeven | otherwise it would require a restore, yes |
| 10:05:06 | TheSeven | but I'll probably hold that back until we have a rockbox bootloader, which is around the corner ;) |
| 10:05:31 | [Saint] | I'm missing all this skype-related dev goodies, dammit. :) |
| 10:06:02 | [Saint] | I look through the logs and see "Oh, this works now, and...this, and we did this..." |
| 10:06:23 | [Saint] | then scan through the places I may have missed hoping to find the discussion...that I won't find. |
| 10:06:34 | HaiKaiDo | Is there anywhere that I should submit this bug to? |
| 10:06:56 | TheSeven | there isn't much discussion anyway, I once again did most things myself, occasionally ranting about broken stuff in #freemyipod |
| 10:07:19 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 |
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| 10:13:18 | HaiKaiDo | looks like im sticking to the regular old ipod firmware lol |
| 10:13:53 | HaiKaiDo | Thanks for the help guys. Later |
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| 10:29:42 | TheSeven | regarding ipod classic bootloader installation, we have two options: |
| 10:30:06 | TheSeven | 1. build a DFU payload that directly flashes a rockbox bootloader |
| 10:30:26 | TheSeven | 2. build a DFU payload that somehow does a "tethered boot" of rockbox, then flash the bootloader from a plugin |
| 10:30:53 | TheSeven | 3. a hybrid solution, doing 1. for initial installs and 2. for updates (but that's code duplication...) |
| 10:31:38 | TheSeven | also where would that code belong in our tree? |
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| 11:42:56 | copper | eh, WavPack lossy (encoded with -h -x1) isn't that much more battery consuming than lossyFLAC: 10h 30min vs. 11h 43min on my old Clip+ with no DSP and no headphones attached |
| 11:43:46 | [Saint] | Dammit, pick a real lossy/lossless format and stick with it! |
| 11:43:48 | [Saint] | ;P |
| 11:43:55 | copper | WavPack lossy: http://outpost.fr/tmp/arI.txt |
| 11:44:10 | copper | lossyFLAC: http://outpost.fr/tmp/lQC.txt |
| 11:44:16 | copper | [Saint]: NEIN |
| 11:44:59 | copper | [Saint]: WavPack Hybrid = encode only once / only one collection to deal with |
| 11:45:34 | [Saint] | Who woke up one day and thought "Y'know what, all those bits fuck me off...its time to get lossy up in this lossless bitch"? |
| 11:45:47 | [Saint] | Because, well...fuck them. |
| 11:45:54 | copper | what |
| 11:46:04 | copper | David Bryant is a great guy! |
| 11:46:12 | copper | let's not fuck him |
| 11:49:28 | [Saint] | "I know. I know what we'll do. The world NEEDS another lossy codec to fall by the wayside and eventually disappear into obscurity. Yes. This. This is my purpose." |
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| 11:50:13 | derf | Sounds reasonable to me. |
| 11:51:40 | * | [Saint] notes that Opus is immune to that rant, because...well, because. |
| 11:52:42 | copper | lol |
| 11:52:50 | copper | you know, that's funny |
| 11:53:07 | copper | because Opus lowers bitrate at a time where bitrate can finally go UP |
| 11:53:44 | [Saint] | [debatable] |
| 11:54:36 | copper | I could have used Opus at a time when I couldn't use WavPack Lossy or lossyFLAC |
| 11:54:57 | copper | now I can use the latter, and I have no use for the former |
| 11:55:42 | [Saint] | Well...there's a difference. Opus has a chance of being widely implemented and having a future. |
| 11:58:07 | copper | as a voice / streaming codec, maybe |
| 11:58:42 | copper | probably not as a replacement for MP3 / AAC for the masses |
| 11:58:51 | [Saint] | We'll see. |
| 11:59:09 | copper | HA and Rockbox people don't count :P |
| 11:59:18 | [Saint] | Its the only real competition there is. |
| 11:59:31 | copper | competition for what? |
| 11:59:31 | [Saint] | Its sure as shit not going to be lossy wav that takes the crown. :p |
| 11:59:48 | copper | I thought the competition was long over |
| 11:59:57 | copper | AAC for iTunes, MP3 for everything else |
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| 12:00:05 | [Saint] | Only because there's been no real competitors. |
| 12:00:13 | [Saint] | Not because the competition was over. |
| 12:00:20 | copper | what about Ogg Vorbis? |
| 12:00:24 | [Saint] | ~ |
| 12:01:10 | [Saint] | That missed the boat by not really offering...well, shit all, really. |
| 12:01:31 | copper | better quality at lower bitrates, gaplessness |
| 12:01:35 | copper | multi channel |
| 12:02:41 | copper | note how MP3 is still there, even though AAC is the de-facto successor |
| 12:02:55 | copper | actually no-one uses AAC except Apple |
| 12:03:05 | copper | everyone else is still using MP3 |
| 12:03:48 | copper | vOv |
| 12:04:18 | copper | I'm not entirely sure that technical merits count for much on the marketplace |
| 12:07:26 | copper | [Saint]: what's the status on Opus playback on a Clip+ btw? |
| 12:07:50 | copper | I see there have been speed improvements in HEAD |
| 12:08:15 | copper | decoding speed* |
| 12:15:10 | copper | I'm just gonna run the same battbench with Opus VBR ~128 |
| 12:15:27 | copper | I know people who are interested in that anyway |
| 12:27:16 | TheSeven | I think AAC failed hard because of the way it's licensed |
| 12:28:13 | TheSeven | IIRC, while MP3 licensing focused on encoders and streaming providers, you have to pay a per-unit-sold royalty for AAC decoders |
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| 12:29:36 | [Saint] | I feel opus has a chance because its on par with, close to, or better than the competition *and* brings adaptive bitrates to the table. |
| 12:29:40 | [Saint] | Its kinda win win. |
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| 12:36:39 | pamaury | [Saint]: ping |
| 12:37:55 | [Saint] | Mmmmmmmyes? |
| 12:38:27 | [Saint] | alternatively, |
| 12:38:30 | [Saint] | pamaury: pong |
| 12:38:55 | pamaury | what are the requirements to build rockbox for android ? |
| 12:39:00 | pamaury | I have the NDK and SDK |
| 12:39:27 | [Saint] | sec |
| 12:40:07 | [Saint] | SDK platform 19, and SDK build tools 19.1 |
| 12:40:40 | pamaury | I have the ADT bundle, does that include both ? |
| 12:41:16 | [Saint] | If you just grabbed it, it'll probably include a newer sdk build-tools version. |
| 12:41:30 | [Saint] | you'd need to run "android" and grab it explicitely. |
| 12:42:09 | pamaury | I need this exact version ? |
| 12:42:17 | [Saint] | Yes. 19.1 |
| 12:42:37 | pamaury | how do I do that ? |
| 12:42:37 | [Saint] | (no idea why, I just know that's how it is) |
| 12:43:07 | [Saint] | If you run "android", it'll bring up the Android SDk Manager. |
| 12:43:23 | pamaury | hum, doesn't do anything, maybe I miss something in the path |
| 12:44:05 | [Saint] | Ah, yeah, if its not in $PATH already you'll have to do /path/to/android |
| 12:44:18 | [Saint] | I seem to recall adding to $PATH being my doing. Sorry. |
| 12:44:56 | pamaury | found it, let me try |
| 12:45:26 | [Saint] | Once the Android SDK Manager is running, build-tools 19.1 should be the third listing in the "tools" submenu. |
| 12:45:48 | pamaury | indeed, I found it |
| 12:46:06 | [Saint] | If you want to save space, you can uninstall everything *but* API 19 and build-tools 19.1 |
| 12:46:17 | [Saint] | Its all needless cruft for RaaA. |
| 12:47:06 | pamaury | now I get an error about arm-linux-androideabi-cpp: cc1 exec |
| 12:47:29 | pamaury | do I need to put the arm-linux-* stuff in the PATH ? I thought the SDK path would be enough |
| 12:47:49 | [Saint] | Have you exported the env vars? |
| 12:48:12 | pamaury | export ANDROID_NDK_PATH="~/project/android/android-ndk-r10" export ANDROID_SDK_PATH="~/project/android/adt/sdk" |
| 12:48:24 | [Saint] | ANDROID_NDK_PATH and ANDROID_SDK_PATH |
| 12:48:32 | [Saint] | Hmmm. |
| 12:48:57 | pamaury | surprinsingly configure finds the arm-linux-androideabi-* version |
| 12:49:11 | pamaury | maybe I need to add it to the PATH |
| 12:49:27 | [Saint] | That error you're getting is the usual "env vars not exported" error IIRC. |
| 12:50:09 | pamaury | no, it doesn't tell me the env var are not exported |
| 12:50:19 | [Saint] | The only two path relevant items in my entire config are: |
| 12:50:21 | [Saint] | export ANDROID_NDK_PATH=/media/saint/Development/Android/android-ndk-linux-x86_64 |
| 12:50:21 | [Saint] | export ANDROID_SDK_PATH=/media/saint/Development/Android/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64/sdk |
| 12:50:22 | pamaury | the error comes from the arm-linux-androideabi-gcc itself |
| 12:50:44 | pamaury | so you have nothing related to android in your PATH ? |
| 12:50:55 | [Saint] | No. |
| 12:51:03 | pamaury | weird |
| 12:51:08 | [Saint] | Do you have the multiarch shit installed? |
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| 12:51:45 | pamaury | yes |
| 12:51:51 | [Saint] | Double hmmm. |
| 12:52:26 | pamaury | http://pastebin.com/Dx7LmZHQ |
| 12:53:26 | [Saint] | What's the NDK version? Recent? |
| 12:53:53 | pamaury | android-ndk-r10 |
| 12:54:40 | pamaury | but I doubt it's a problem with the ndk since the arm gcc belongs to the build tools |
| 12:56:00 | [Saint] | Grasping at straws here, did you maybe grab the NDK for 64bit targets? |
| 12:56:13 | [Saint] | (which, AFAIK, don;t actually exist yet in the real world) |
| 12:56:55 | pamaury | don't think so: android-ndk32-r10-linux_x86_64 |
| 12:57:09 | [Saint] | Nope. You did not. |
| 12:57:13 | [Saint] | What the... |
| 12:57:58 | pamaury | let me try by explicitely adding the directoty to the PATH |
| 12:58:07 | [Saint] | I literally do nothing but: install SDK+NDK, grab the right API and build-tools, export env vars. |
| 12:58:21 | pamaury | haha, seems to work |
| 12:58:29 | [Saint] | I...what? |
| 12:58:32 | [Saint] | Weird. |
| 12:58:36 | pamaury | yeah |
| 12:58:48 | pamaury | let's see what make does ^^ |
| 12:58:59 | pamaury | damned, something is really wrong |
| 12:59:18 | pamaury | /home/pamaury/project/android/android-ndk-r10/toolchains/arm-linux-androideabi-4.6/prebuilt/linux-x86_64/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-linux-androideabi/4.6/include-fixed/limits.h:169:61: error: no include path in which to search for limits.h |
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| 13:00:58 | [Saint] | FWIW: If you're investigating this due to the framebuffer hint given in the logs a while back, I don't think that's a real avenue to pursue. |
| 13:01:15 | [Saint] | RaaA should be absolutely fine with running a binary lesser than the device resolution. |
| 13:01:23 | [Saint] | it'll just position it at 0,0 |
| 13:02:19 | [Saint] | Also, I lied slightly, here's everything in my config that pertains to Android and Rockbox: |
| 13:02:20 | [Saint] | http://pastebin.com/VyKn0GM9 |
| 13:02:36 | [Saint] | But, as you can see, half of it doesn't pertain to Rockbox, just Anroid. |
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| 13:03:09 | [Saint] | (making my life easier by adding adb and sdk manager to the path, but, that's not necessary at all) |
| 13:05:07 | pamaury | it seems to work |
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| 13:05:59 | [Saint] | So, just to run through, as I feel I may have been potentially misleading. You have: Android SDK Tools, Android SDK Platform-tools, Android SDK Build-tools (19.1), and SDK Platform 19? |
| 13:06:32 | [Saint] | But, despite that, it still complains unless you added the toolchain to the path explicitly? |
| 13:06:45 | pamaury | apparently |
| 13:06:55 | [Saint] | Huh. |
| 13:07:16 | pamaury | but something is strange: I ran make, got an error about missing header, ran make again and now it works |
| 13:07:40 | pamaury | I need to leave, I'll be back with news about this ;) |
| 13:08:00 | [Saint] | Either myself, or a machine pretending to be me and logging, will be here. Thanks. |
| 13:10:47 | [Saint] | Another possible issue to run into later down the track is a missing JDK/JRE |
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| 14:29:58 | ploco | [Saint]: no, a lower resolution build RaaAoA won't work on higher resolution device. I will point them out in codes |
| 14:30:51 | ploco | btm = Bitmap.createBitmap(width, height, Bitmap.Config.RGB_565); in surfaceChanged in JAVA. which if target is 720x1280, will create a bmp buffer in this resolusion. |
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| 14:31:47 | ploco | btm.copyPixelsFromBuffer(framebuffer); which will try to copy from internal framebuffer to this bmp. If the internal frame buffer is different than the one surface created. doom |
| 14:31:59 | ploco | will be black screen |
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| 14:36:57 | [Saint] | Hmmm...that /used/ to work. |
| 14:37:08 | [Saint] | Perhaps by accident. |
| 14:38:00 | ploco | This change was introduced back in March I think |
| 14:38:07 | [Saint] | Aha. |
| 14:39:22 | [Saint] | Well...that sucks. |
| 14:40:02 | [Saint] | I assume there's a reason for it, but, ...suck. |
| 14:40:39 | ploco | glad you understand my frustration |
| 14:41:07 | [Saint] | I guess this is why you made the scaling patch? |
| 14:41:14 | [Saint] | Or, part of the reason. |
| 14:41:34 | ploco | yes, part of it |
| 14:41:54 | [Saint] | Without the knowledge of this regression, I couldn't really understand it. |
| 14:42:05 | [Saint] | It becomes clearer now. |
| 14:45:41 | ploco | I hope there is a solution that can replace the skin engine with the Android API, but this means rewrite the whole skin engine and output in JAVA. |
| 14:46:40 | [Saint] | If we go native... There's no point bringing the theme engine with us. |
| 14:46:57 | [Saint] | Too much work for a niche market gain. |
| 14:47:26 | * | TheSeven complains about SCSI being a complicated mess! |
| 14:47:53 | ploco | agree. I tried so I know. it's a endless journey |
| 14:50:00 | [Saint] | One option would be to leave it accessible so that the user can ovveride the default (native) theme if they wanted to open that can of worms and accept the issues they'll create for themselves. |
| 14:50:35 | [Saint] | The glaring issue is that in pre-4.2 builds, you'll lose the status and nav bars. |
| 14:51:01 | [Saint] | It only works on 4.2+ by accident. |
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| 14:51:47 | [Saint] | (Transparency and auto-immersion for full screen apps solved this issue for us) |
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| 14:53:47 | ploco | The chinese community build can actually maintain status bar for pre-4.2. but everything get shifted few pixels down. |
| 14:54:22 | [Saint] | Yeah, that wasn't accepted as an actual solution here. |
| 14:54:32 | [Saint] | Its a kludge at best. |
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| 14:57:08 | [Saint] | And if its the same patch I'm thinking of, failure prone. |
| 14:57:30 | [Saint] | (The status bar isn't a known, fixed height) |
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| 14:58:18 | ploco | I can detect the height of status bar at run time. |
| 14:58:49 | [Saint] | Ah. Seems like you went a step further than we did all those years ago. |
| 14:59:04 | [Saint] | I'm not sure that was figured out on our end. |
| 14:59:33 | [Saint] | On a side note, it is DISTURBING how many similar things have been worked on here. |
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| 15:00:08 | [Saint] | (without active cooperation between both parties) |
| 15:00:13 | ploco | I'm not sure about the other end as well. because they don't take all my pulling request as well. LOL |
| 15:00:32 | [Saint] | Ah. :) |
| 15:01:18 | [Saint] | I had assumed you were an integral part of the CN RaaA port. |
| 15:01:27 | [Saint] | That makes more sense to me now. |
| 15:01:57 | ploco | nono, I'm more like a freelancer who work with them in one stage |
| 15:02:29 | [Saint] | (Google Translate fucking murders Rockbox.cn so most of the non-code content is irrelevant to me. |
| 15:02:47 | [Saint] | I've tried touching base there but I couldn't even register. |
| 15:03:24 | [Saint] | Learning Chinese is a bit further than I'm willing to go for this. ;) |
| 15:04:06 | ploco | PurlingNayuki is the team leader, so why not just email then? |
| 15:04:59 | [Saint] | I wasn't aware of that. |
| 15:05:18 | [Saint] | That makes the lack of collaboration even harder to understand. |
| 15:05:27 | ploco | oops, did I said something I shouldn't? XD |
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| 15:11:49 | [Saint] | Possibly. I don't know. The only content that Rockbox.cn offers me that I can make use of is code snippets and a link to a gift repo (but even that is tedious to find for a non-native Chinese speaker) |
| 15:12:37 | [Saint] | I haven't actually bothered trying to track any individual committees down. |
| 15:12:47 | [Saint] | Just poking around recent commits. |
| 15:13:07 | [Saint] | *committers |
| 15:13:37 | [Saint] | *git repo (damn mobile auto complete) |
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| 15:15:54 | ploco | most recent commits are some crazy dsps I made using group delay and mid/side processing. |
| 15:26:53 | [Saint] | Ohhhh. Piss off google keyboard. |
| 15:27:12 | [Saint] | That's a stupid place for the mic key. |
| 15:27:29 | [Saint] | Whoops. Channel. Heh. |
| 15:34:02 | pamaury | [Saint]: with my build, rockbox now works on my phone |
| 15:34:09 | pamaury | but I don't have any icon in the theme |
| 15:34:56 | pamaury | in fact I do but there are super super small |
| 15:34:57 | pamaury | and without color |
| 15:36:31 | pamaury | definitely super ugly |
| 15:37:33 | [Saint] | No theme for this resolution. |
| 15:37:39 | [Saint] | So, fallback. |
| 15:37:57 | pamaury | yeah, that's pretty horrible |
| 15:38:04 | [Saint] | Which is built with small res daps in mind. :) |
| 15:38:46 | [Saint] | Tweak the config manually if you have to. |
| 15:41:16 | ploco | pamaury: http://pan.baidu.com/s/1hqqXC2K |
| 15:41:21 | [Saint] | One of the wide and varied reasons why we: |
| 15:41:36 | [Saint] | A - don't promote RaaA at all |
| 15:41:47 | [Saint] | B - need a full native UI |
| 15:42:05 | pamaury | ploco: what's that ? |
| 15:42:08 | ploco | that's a theme for 480x854 from rockbox chinese community |
| 15:42:15 | pamaury | [Saint]: yeah I now, I just never tested by myself ^^ |
| 15:43:01 | [Saint] | But I sure don't have the time to do it, even if I did have the capability. |
| 15:43:11 | [Saint] | I know I can build the UI. |
| 15:43:30 | [Saint] | But I have NO idea how to make Rockbox use it. |
| 15:44:24 | pamaury | I sure am a poor UI designer, maybe I could make rockbox use it but I would need to learn a lot, I think kugel made a self contained player based on qt so that's a great first step |
| 15:44:37 | [Saint] | Joining those dots is well above my pay grade. I run cables for a living, not wrangle bits. ;) |
| 15:44:57 | pamaury | ploco: ok thanks, I'll try that |
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| 15:46:26 | pamaury | [Saint]: ploco: do you know where is the .rockbox dir on android ? |
| 15:46:37 | * | pamaury knows everything about native targets but nothing about raaa |
| 15:47:18 | [Saint] | /storage/sdcard0/rockbox or so. |
| 15:48:44 | pamaury | Thanks |
| 15:48:55 | [Saint] | Paths to emulated storage vary wildly. |
| 15:49:24 | [Saint] | (or actual external storage) |
| 15:50:01 | pamaury | haha, this theme is much better |
| 15:50:13 | pamaury | I don't like the image at the top though, I need to remove it |
| 15:50:24 | [Saint] | Not a very high bar. :) |
| 15:50:45 | [Saint] | 8pt fonts and monotone 6px icons. |
| 15:50:59 | [Saint] | Not terribly hard to beat. :p |
| 15:51:37 | pamaury | I know *nothing* about theming |
| 15:52:28 | pamaury | [Saint]: if you want to make a theme for 480x854, you are welcome ;) |
| 15:53:18 | ploco | [Saint]: http://pan.baidu.com/s/1eQH0rcu#dir/path=%2F0713 try to beat this. my theme with personal builds |
| 15:53:48 | [Saint] | I've got a project going that would allow for trivial porting of a simple base theme to arbitrary resolutions |
| 15:53:57 | ploco | wps size is 75KB.LOL |
| 15:54:09 | [Saint] | But it sees very belittle of my time these days. |
| 15:54:22 | [Saint] | *very little |
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| 15:56:32 | [Saint] | I picked it back up the other day, but in hit a wall and got bored, then got busy. |
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| 15:58:32 | [Saint] | The idea is to not use a backdrop at all, and use negative offsets for positioning elements where ever possible. |
| 15:58:51 | [Saint] | (resolution independent) |
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| 16:00:18 | [Saint] | I'm also trying to keep it well commented and simple. |
| 16:01:53 | [Saint] | My Rockbox time, where I've actually felt like doing anything, is around nil these days. |
| 16:03:30 | [Saint] | I have a basic version working with dummy images. |
| 16:05:59 | HeadWhacker | hi what does /system/bin/muteopen exactly do? Is it really required by Rockbox. In system-android.c if I remove the system call on system_init I don't hear any sound coming out of rockbox |
| 16:12:56 | pamaury | [Saint]: could you help me modify the ConciseV2 theme do remove the image ? |
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| 17:57:11 | TheSeven | urgh |
| 17:57:23 | TheSeven | implementing SMART support is going to be rather invasive... |
| 17:59:10 | TheSeven | looks like I'll have to rewrite half of our SCSI code |
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| 19:40:15 | TheSeven | can someone please explain SCSI to me!? |
| 19:53:27 | TheSeven | argh. |
| 19:53:37 | TheSeven | the SAT-2 standard contradicts the SPC-4 standard |
| 19:53:51 | TheSeven | that was fixed in SAT-3 in a semi-compatible way |
| 19:54:07 | TheSeven | however smartmontools doesn't support that and forces us to violate SPC-4. |
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| 20:06:22 | bertrik | TheSeven: I think nobody knows a consistent set of SCSI specs :) |
| 20:07:59 | bertrik | and if it exists, it probably won't work with windows |
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| 20:31:16 | TheSeven | could it be that our SCSI error handling is completely broken? |
| 20:31:30 | TheSeven | IIUC our current code will lock up the connection if the host ever sends a request that we don't support |
| 20:33:47 | TheSeven | that code has a style of doing everything as directly as possible, cutting away several useful abstraction layers |
| 20:34:07 | TheSeven | it doesn't even really keep track of where it current is within a SCSI transaction |
| 20:34:22 | TheSeven | if something goes wrong, it sometimes just sends a CSW, even though the host expects to receive data |
| 20:34:44 | TheSeven | then, when the host attempts to receive the CSW, we just don't respond at all, not even sending a STALL |
| 20:35:15 | TheSeven | fixing that mess would be rather invasive... |
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| 23:52:12 | TheSeven | yay! http://paste.pm/raw/ia3 |
| 23:58:46 | TheSeven | I'm afraid that porting this to rockbox won't be easy though :/ |
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