#rockbox 2014-08-06

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#rockbox log for 2014-08-06

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02:50:52	jhMikeS	!$#^& lost the new files somewhere in there
02:57:30	[Saint]	bluebrother: is there any chance of getting the build reporting working again?
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03:02:12	[Saint]	copper: your daily ipod6g build has fallen over, or, perhaps the link thereof.
03:02:17	jhMikeS	the build table was getting too green anyway
03:02:33	[Saint]	copper: Is there an updated link I can point a Mac user to?
03:03:13	[Saint]	(you have everything like...right there, so if its just adjusting a link, I'd like to point the user there instead of having to put up my own build)
03:04:14	franklin	Is the number on the autobuild table the number of errors?
03:04:56	jhMikeS	you mean in the cell?
03:05:10	franklin	Yeah
03:05:37	jhMikeS	red is errors, yellow, warnings, "x (y)" in red is some of each
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03:06:23	franklin	Ah
03:06:26	[Saint]	(...and yes, we know about the Archos ;))
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03:06:43	[Saint]	That old girl has been oversized for an age now.
03:07:01	franklin	So what's wrong with rev. 533d396?
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03:07:13	[Saint]	take a look.
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03:07:27	[Saint]	the cells provide a build summary.
03:08:00	franklin	Oh, some of the links are broken
03:08:11	franklin	NVM
03:08:16	franklin	:)
03:08:17	jhMikeS	franklin: I forgot to readd files and failed to notice they weren't there. I see not everything is up and up uet
03:08:23	[Saint]	No, its just only a certain amount of build results are cached.
03:08:47	[Saint]	It should probably cache as many results as the view presents, but, it doesn't.
03:09:02	jhMikeS	shit I forgot about the checkwps c99 thing haha, was an easy fix
03:10:12	franklin	What you should do before you commit to origin is create a new, clean branch with your commit and test. :)
03:10:31	[Saint]	Yeah, no.
03:10:36	franklin	Why?
03:10:43	franklin	Why not?
03:11:03	[Saint]	Because the developer should do that before committing, in their own local tree.
03:11:12	[Saint]	Don't need a bunch of branches shat over master.
03:11:18	franklin	Even better :)
03:12:17	jhMikeS	yeah, like I'm gonna test build everything locally...not. it's too much now, let the build server catch it
03:12:50	franklin	Well, have it your way :)
03:12:57	[Saint]	Well, wether you do or not is up to you. But, you should, and we both know it. :)
03:13:09	jhMikeS	already did
03:13:25	jhMikeS	the files weren't "A" but they were in the tree so it made just fine
03:13:47	franklin	Now theres a big red line on a green background. Great for Christmastime, but it's not :)
03:16:11	franklin	Oh yeah, what's with the linker error for iPod Classic? The latest two commits don't seem to be the culprit.
03:16:50	jhMikeS	it is
03:17:00	franklin	why?
03:17:32	jhMikeS	librockbox.a no longer references the function which causes it not to be available for other external libs
03:17:57	franklin	so how to fix?
03:18:51	jhMikeS	There was a change in system.h that also assists in fixing it
03:20:32	franklin	I hate asking for timeframes, but an ETA?
03:20:49	[Saint]	When it fucking gets there.
03:20:53	franklin	:)
03:20:57	franklin	I knew it
03:21:12	jhMikeS	30-45 minutes :)
03:21:34	franklin	Well, I'll go play some Xon now
03:22:07	franklin	And work on my /amazing/ (NOTE: SARCASM) 2048 plugin :)
03:22:14	jhMikeS	And it will also produce warning for viewport apis not being prototyped in checkwps
03:22:34	jhMikeS	for some reason they're needed but excluded from the header for __PCTOOL__
03:22:57	[Saint]	ah, you caught that too.
03:23:02	[Saint]	you just tweaked my memory.
03:24:09	[Saint]	I went looking yesterday to see why themes no longer implode if the backdrop doesn't match the framebuffer and got sucked into a weird shit rabbit hole.
03:24:34	[Saint]	...then I fell asleep and ruined a perfectly good keyboard.
03:26:27	franklin	lol
03:26:34	JdGordon_	[Saint]: nu?
03:27:15	[Saint]	Is the 13th letter of the Greek alphabet, correct.
03:27:30	JdGordon_	1080*1920 or no bug fixes! :)
03:27:54	franklin	???
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03:40:43	franklin	OK thank you jhMikeS! :)
03:44:04	jhMikeS	still other stuff whining about errno
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04:05:56	*	jhMikeS hates it when he does "commit -a −−amend" instead of just "commit -a" and messes everything up'
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04:07:31	[Saint]	git reset −−hard && facedesk
04:07:49	jhMikeS	&& facepalm
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04:14:06	jhMikeS	erm, ok ...wtf
04:14:41	jhMikeS	somehow if I include errno.h, I end up without errno defined
04:17:10	*	jhMikeS will just keep jabbing in the dark
04:19:14	jhMikeS	probably because that's NOT the ARM one, grr
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04:36:05	franklin	Hey jhMikeS could you code-review/test 2048 please? :)
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04:40:15	jhMikeS	sure, now that I've got this straightened out
04:40:25	franklin	Thank you!
04:40:26	franklin	:)
04:48:26	jhMikeS	being able to use the build server farm off-site would be nice sometimes
04:48:40	franklin	What do you mean?
04:49:37	jhMikeS	I could work out the mess privately then push it, maybe even be able to build stuff were I don't have the SDKs handy
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04:57:23	franklin	jhMikeS: it doesn't take that long to build
04:57:34	franklin	That's what make is designed for
04:58:42	jhMikeS	hrm? takes awhile on this PoS to build the whole table
04:59:13	franklin	The whole table?
04:59:23	franklin	Just do it on one!
04:59:48	jhMikeS	do what on one? are you talking about general pushes or just the game? I other crap to deal with first.
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05:00:01	[Saint]	jhMikeS: iiuc, that was always the intention.
05:00:15	[Saint]	pushing to gerrit automagically trying a build, etc.
05:00:33	franklin	No for that mrsw patch
05:00:46	[Saint]	Mr. Someone "just" needs to set up the hooks to do it.
05:00:50	jhMikeS	[Saint]: well then, what happen?
05:00:56	[Saint]	^
05:01:18	jhMikeS	How about we start passing around a "Mr. Someone" card? :)
05:01:32	jhMikeS	or drawing straws
05:02:30	[Saint]	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=roshambo
05:02:38	jhMikeS	I guess I missed the discussion about that sort of feature
05:02:57	[Saint]	It was an absolute age ago.
05:03:12	*	jhMikeS must be ageless
05:03:15	[Saint]	Perhaps even prior to having a live gerrit instance.
05:03:29	franklin	I am lost. What?
05:03:39	jhMikeS	I have had extended gaps in my attendance at times
05:03:59	jhMikeS	and been known to just not pay attention to things as well
05:04:10	franklin	So do you need help understanding the code of 2048?
05:04:18	jhMikeS	it could be a good thing to have
05:04:26	jhMikeS	building now
05:04:26	franklin	What?!?!
05:04:31	franklin	OK thank you
05:04:40	franklin	I somewhat follow this now :)
05:04:41	*	jhMikeS was addressing [Saint]
05:04:49	franklin	Oh... :)
05:04:53	jhMikeS	:)
05:05:09	franklin	Confusing
05:05:21	jhMikeS	PoS churning away
05:05:28	franklin	So are you building 2048? :)
05:05:45	jhMikeS	it hasn't reached that point
05:06:06	franklin	"it" = "make"?
05:07:04	franklin	OK it's getting late. CU later (tomorrow?)
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09:23:53	[Saint]	stab
09:23:56	[Saint]	stab stab
09:25:59	jhMikeS	bats bats
09:26:18	[Saint]	that's bertrik's domain.
09:27:18	jhMikeS	do I stab bats? I do.
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09:31:11	jhMikeS	253 builds. I remember when it was like 25 builds
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10:13:29	dongs	lol
10:13:33	dongs	the fuze battery isn't by BAK :(
10:13:36	dongs	probably a shitty clone
10:13:40	dongs	doesnt match the pic in auction either
10:13:58	dongs	got dick'd
10:14:37	[Saint]	Well, you are a dong.
10:15:25	[Saint]	Or the plural thereof.
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10:25:53	dongs	does that mean i am allowed to be ripped off?
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10:26:18	dongs	http://www.ebay.com/itm/400517465730
10:26:30	gevaerts	dongs: we do have a topic here
10:27:19	dongs	gevaerts: wut? its on topic. im talking about battery for sansa fuze.
10:27:33	gevaerts	That's clearly not on topic here
10:27:36	dongs	about as relevant to rockbox as it gets
10:27:42	dongs	since it runs on fuze and shit.
10:28:21	gevaerts	People have dropped fuzes on pavements. Does that make road building on topic?
10:28:27	dongs	yes
10:29:58	gevaerts	Right. That means you're an idiot. Consider this your last warning. Next time you're off-topic, I'll just mute you
10:30:36	dongs	your nickname reminds me of "gayadverts". infact thats how i read it for a few times until i noticed it wasnt that. I'll just leave by myself, and you can police your own dead channel with no chats.
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10:34:08	Mode	"#rockbox +cs " by gevaerts (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
10:34:23	Mode	"#rockbox +b !@bcas.tv" by gevaerts (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
10:34:28	Mode	"#rockbox -o gevaerts" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
10:41:31	[Saint]	Why +s?
10:41:45	[Saint]	Or, +c for that matter.
10:41:53	[Saint]	Doesn't that kill the not text?
10:41:58	[Saint]	*bot
10:42:50	jhMikeS	he just wants everyone to see his privilege fruit salad
10:43:40	[Saint]	I suspect it wasn't deliberate.
10:50:01	gevaerts	Oh
10:50:04	pixelma	guess it should have been a "chanserv" alias or so
10:50:09	gevaerts	That +cs was a mistake
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11:43:16	copper	[Saint]: http://caudec.net/rockbox/
11:43:24	copper	top of the page
11:43:47	[Saint]	aha - I'll repair the forum link if you like.
11:43:52	copper	just link to that URL, because the build URL is subject to change
11:45:16	copper	I could make a permalink, but I don't know how "permanent" this is going to be
11:45:28	[Saint]	fair enough.
11:45:56	copper	to be clear, that's no longer a daily build
11:46:26	copper	that's just a list of builds for my targets, that are "known to work" (by me)
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13:52:17	gevaerts	Zagor: can you have a look at the manuals on the server? The html ones seem to be gone
13:52:26	Zagor	ok
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14:51:54	pixelma	bluebrother was investigating and said that building html manuals was currently broken but couldn't or didn't have the time to figure out why. He said it's probably something in the used tools that changed during an update of these
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19:46:41	lleeloo	Why when i use configure I take next text in makefile: Automatically selected arch: arm (ver __ARM_ARCH_PROFILE __ARM_ARCH __ARM_ARCH_ISA_THUMB 7 __ARM_ARCH_EXT_IDIV__)
19:46:47	lleeloo	how to fix it
19:46:53	lleeloo	?
19:47:06	lleeloo	Building for cortex-m4f
19:47:10	lleeloo	?
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19:52:31	franklin	lleeloo: what?
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19:56:50	lleeloo	I porting Rockbox to arm cortex-m4 arch. when i use tools/configure i take makefile and autoconf.h where ARCH_VERSION=__ARM_ARCH_PROFILE __ARM_ARCH __ARM_ARCH_ISA_THUMB 7 __ARM_ARCH_EXT_IDIV__
19:57:18	lleeloo	then i edit files by my hand to fix it to ARCH_VERSION=7
19:57:58	lleeloo	gcc ver. 4.8.3
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20:01:10	lleeloo	?
20:01:10	lleeloo	some ideas,
20:08:47	pamaury	lleeloo: it's not very clear
20:08:59	franklin	please clarify.
20:09:00	lleeloo	sorry?
20:09:13	gevaerts	lleeloo: feel free to ignore franklin here :)
20:09:31	pamaury	lleeloo: you mean that the generated autoconf.h is not correct ?
20:09:37	franklin	gevaerts: >:
20:09:59	lleeloo	yes/ autoconf.h and makefile not correct
20:10:25	lleeloo	they define ARCH_VERSION=__ARM_ARCH_PROFILE __ARM_ARCH __ARM_ARCH_ISA_THUMB 7 __ARM_ARCH_EXT_IDIV__
20:10:54	pamaury	lleeloo: could you post your patches to configure, so that I can try myself ?
20:11:09	lleeloo	every time after configure i edit this files to fix it to ARCH_VERSION=7
20:11:30	lleeloo	configure work fine for other targets
20:11:47	gevaerts	franklin: in discussions about new ports, especially early ones where the people doing the port don't know who is who in the rockbox community, questions and remarks by other people who don't have experience in the area tend to be confusing rather than helpful
20:12:36	pamaury	lleeloo: can you provide the diff/patch for configure ? it would be easier for me to help you if I can see your modifications
20:12:48	franklin	Just that there were so many typos, I wanted there to be better info for those who do know ")
20:12:49	franklin	:)
20:13:13	lleeloo	i use gcc 4.8.3 with armv7e-m support. Ok i try to make diff
20:13:18	franklin	not typos, just hard to read
20:16:20	gevaerts	franklin: I know what you mean, but even then, if you're not very familiar with the topic, it can be hard to figure out if things are not clear because you don't know the area or because things are genuinely not stated clearly
20:16:27	*	gevaerts knows this from experience :)
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20:17:11	franklin	gevaerts: do you understand "<lleeloo> Why when i use configure I take next text in makefile: Automatically selected arch: arm (ver __ARM_ARCH_PROFILE __ARM_ARCH __ARM_ARCH_ISA_THUMB 7 __ARM_ARCH_EXT_IDIV__)"?
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20:19:13	gevaerts	franklin: I can see what it's about, yes, and people (like pamaury) who have done new ports can ask the right questions to clarify things quickly
20:19:43	pamaury	franklin: I kind of understand what he means, that's why I asked for the diff
20:20:15	franklin	ok sorry :(
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20:22:08	franklin	well he left
20:22:12	franklin	sorry
20:22:42	gevaerts	franklin: no worries, it's just that I've seen too many discussions between people who ask rather technical questions about the code and other people who try to help but don't even see that this isn't a user issue, resulting in everyone getting confused
20:22:56	franklin	ah
20:23:09	franklin	thanks everyone for making Rockbox :)
20:23:20	gevaerts	I know this wasn't that bad, but I still wanted to avoid pointless misunderstandings
20:23:30	gevaerts	And I suspect he's just on a bad connection :)
20:23:55	franklin	Oh yeah
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20:24:18	franklin	I don't usually read all the quit messages
20:25:29	pamaury	it won't be easy, he doesn't speak english very well
20:26:33	franklin	yeah :)
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20:28:47	lleeloo_	English is not my native language. So I'm sorry for my mistakes! This is my diff http://pastebin.com/UpLTqXTn
20:29:56	pamaury	lleeloo_: how did you produce the diff ? there are many unrelated changes
20:31:30	lleeloo_	You will laugh: diff ../tools/configure ../tools/configure_git > conf.diff
20:31:58	pamaury	hum, then how did you obtain configure_git ?
20:32:32	franklin	probably the "vanilla" version
20:32:42	franklin	and the configure is the working version?
20:33:01	lleeloo_	from git open as raw text, then cope to new file and make diff as I described before =(
20:33:34	lleeloo_	Yes I use configure as always
20:34:27	franklin	lleeloo_, just to make sure, is configure_git modified from the git version?
20:35:05	lleeloo_	configure_git is original file from git
20:35:19	franklin	OK
20:35:21	lleeloo_	tools/configure modifyed
20:36:02	wodz	lleeloo_: could you run diff -u instead of plain diff? This makes things easier to follow
20:36:23	lleeloo_	ok i try
20:36:43	franklin	There is a better way: git diff tools/configure, where tools/configure has been modified
20:38:00	pamaury	lleeloo_: why can't you run "git diff" directly ? do you have two copies of the rockbox source code (one git, one modified) ?
20:38:43	franklin	The purpose of git is to eliminate having to do that (having vanilla and modified versions)
20:39:15	lleeloo_	i have only local copy of rockbox. i never uses git ever =( I now thats bad, i now i try to chnage=)
20:39:38	wodz	I'd argue this is not the purpose of git (main at least)
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20:41:01	franklin	well, it's one of the purposes of git :)
20:41:04	franklin	or any VCS
20:42:29	wodz	No. The true purpose of VCS is allow tracking of changes history. Easy diffing is side effect really
20:43:01	franklin	wodz: history of a file vs it's recorded (commited) version?
20:44:44	wodz	franklin: history as a way to bisect, blame, tag, etc.
20:45:00	franklin	OK never mind wodz
20:45:25	franklin	but being able to diff your changes vs the last commited version is in most VCS's
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20:46:22	franklin	lleeloo__, what country are you in, your internet seems rather bad
20:46:55	lleeloo__	well, I'm from Belarus
20:47:27	franklin	Minsk the capital?
20:48:11	pamaury	lleeloo__: ok, I'm going to try to have a look at the diff, but for the next time, try to learn how to use git properly, because this diff makes it much harder
20:48:44	lleeloo__	my be this diff better http://pastebin.com/LiwT0JPK
20:49:09	lleeloo__	i promise i will
20:49:30	franklin	it's very useful, knowing how to use Git :)
20:49:30	lleeloo__	Yes Minsk is our capital
20:50:06	pamaury	hum, still many unrelated changes
20:50:22	wodz	and diff is actually reversed
20:51:33	pamaury	lleeloo__: maybe we should first have a look at this git thing, just to be clear: you downloaded a copy of the source using "git clone ..." and then made modifications ?
20:52:25	wodz	yeah, something is fishy with this patch
20:53:46	lleeloo__	no. some time ago i got a zip of git source just for fun, and then i made modification in unzziped files
20:54:48	franklin	lleeloo__: the best thing to do is to clone the git repo. it give you access to every single revision and the ability to diff/push
20:55:05	franklin	and update easily
20:55:18	pamaury	lleeloo__: I see, that's the problem, you are working on an old copy of the code
20:55:39	pamaury	lleeloo__: did you make many modifications ? Do you remember which version of the code you got ?
20:56:07	franklin	it'll be very hard to tell, so you might just want to scrap it and get a fresh copy
20:56:15	lleeloo__	i can look at my devboard screen when rockbox loading
20:56:23	franklin	oh yeah
20:56:31	franklin	and from system->rockbox info
20:56:49	lleeloo__	system->rockbox info too
20:57:01	lleeloo__	where i should look
20:57:03	lleeloo__	?
20:57:12	franklin	look under System -> Rockbox Info
20:57:20	lleeloo__	ok
20:58:22	franklin	So what is it?
20:59:05	franklin	gevaerts: will the next release be 3.14 or 4.0?
20:59:14	lleeloo__	one minгеу
20:59:18	lleeloo__	щту ьштгеу
20:59:25	lleeloo__	=one minute
20:59:36	franklin	щту ьштгеу?
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21:00:16	franklin	oh
21:05:02	franklin	hello lleeloo__?
21:05:54	franklin	I just realized that Git tracks file permissions, too :)
21:07:22	franklin	which calls for patch set 41 for 2048 :)
21:07:59	franklin	(some of the bitmaps were created on Winblows errr... Windowsso the execute bit was set)
21:14:13	lleeloo__	unknown-140806
21:14:32	lleeloo__	is it bad?
21:14:58	franklin	That's the latest version, I beieve
21:15:23	franklin	14-08-06=today?
21:16:07	lleeloo__	yes i flashed board today too
21:16:10	wodz	nop, its compile time
21:16:25	franklin	so it's newest version?
21:16:33	wodz	unknown should be short hash in reacent version
21:16:36	lleeloo__	i don't kow
21:16:37	franklin	git version
21:16:47	lleeloo__	know
21:16:50	franklin	oh
21:16:58	franklin	compile time
21:17:13	lleeloo__	i will look at devboard
21:17:29	franklin	lleeloo__: I think the best thing to do is to clone the Git repo to avoid problems like this in the future
21:18:03	lleeloo__	ok, i think it's better way
21:18:07	franklin	Assuming you didn't do THAT much work with the old version, that is
21:19:29	wodz	If this work is supposed to land in HEAD there is no othe way despite of amount of work in old version
21:20:00	lleeloo__	i clone repo to new folder
21:21:42	lleeloo__	clonnig now. it take some time with my connection=(
21:44:57	lleeloo__	may be it help. this is screen photo http://www.picshare.ru/view/4972934/
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22:26:12	lleeloo__	sorry for delay. This is diff of my configure http://pastebin.com/XG79kPPF
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22:26:49	lleeloo__	may be my problem in arm-none-eabi- ?
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23:01:01	pamaury	lleeloo__: what the name of your toolchain ?
23:04:50	pamaury	indeed there is a problem with this script, the output is wrong on my computer too
23:08:28	lleeloo__	i don't remember name of toolchain (i download it long time ago). but if it's important I can search for it
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23:09:46	pamaury	lleeloo__: I understand the problem
23:10:26	pamaury	configure script finds the version by grepping __ARM_ARCH_, because usually you would get something like __ARM_ARCH_4T__
23:10:38	pamaury	but for ARMv7, you actually get __ARM_ARCH_7EM__ and __ARM_ARCH_EXT_IDIV__
23:11:37	lleeloo__	that's true. and this is what i saw in my autoconf.h and makefile=)
23:12:23	pamaury	so I advise the following: change this line:
23:12:23	pamaury	arch_version="$(echo $cpp_defines \| tr ' ' '\012' \| grep __ARM_ARCH \| sed -e 's,.$[0-9]$.,\1,')"
23:12:23	pamaury	into
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23:12:23	pamaury	arch_version="$(echo $cpp_defines \| tr ' ' '\012' \| grep '__ARM_ARCH_[[:digit:]]' \| sed -e 's,.$[0-9]$.,\1,')"
23:13:21	lleeloo__	ok. i try to do so
23:15:22	lleeloo__	it work excelent. thank you!
23:19:32	jhMikeS	one's thing's for sure, 6g is going down. I'm not supporting aligning things in the file code. it needs to do that itself.
23:21:57	jhMikeS	just gonna panic when it gets unaligned buffers :)
23:23:01	pamaury	the low level code should always be able to handle unaligned buffers, otherwise it makes it very clumsy to use
23:25:16	jhMikeS	it doesn't there, it panics if not cache aligned
23:25:46	jhMikeS	right now file.c is babying things with STORAGE_NEEDS_ALIGN but I took that out of there
23:26:29	jhMikeS	rk27xx is using memcpy afaics
23:26:49	pamaury	imx233 does clever stuff it's not aligned
23:27:35	jhMikeS	nothing else needs it. imx31 handles the case by copying only unaligned ends.
23:30:02	jhMikeS	storage_ata-ipod6g.c looks like the only problem one
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23:34:29	franklin	I'm currently running a script that will indent all the code in the Linux style and remove trailing whitespace/tabs (just the .c files, not the makefiles). is this desirable?
23:35:08	franklin	(what indentation style do you prefer?)
23:36:06	jhMikeS	mine
23:37:15	franklin	So, 4 spaces?
23:37:25	franklin	And removing trailing WS, etc
23:37:30	franklin	and untabifying
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23:38:19	jhMikeS	that's the practice here
23:38:52	franklin	But some code doesn't follow it :)
23:39:08	franklin	So I'm going to run my script on the 3000 or so .c files and the headers, too
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23:39:18	franklin	Would it get accepted?
23:39:22	[Saint]	Some developers like to blatantly ignore style guidelines.
23:39:27	[Saint]	You know who you are...
23:39:33	franklin	I don't anymore :)
23:39:35	[Saint]	ANd then bypass gerrit.
23:39:49	[Saint]	I pick my battles.
23:39:56	franklin	so yes, do run the script?
23:40:04	[Saint]	I'm not going to fight anyone over comments and indentation.
23:40:16	[Saint]	But, I'd really wish the usual suspects would knock it off. :)
23:41:05	franklin	like...
23:41:27	[Saint]	If I was going to name and shame I wouldn't have been so careful to not do so.
23:41:32	franklin	ok...
23:42:01	[Saint]	Anyway - its up to you. You would need to keep in mind that running such a script over our sources is only half the battle.
23:42:21	[Saint]	You would then have a couple of thousand lines of code to review by hand.
23:42:33	[Saint]	...I'm sure as shit not doing code review on such a change.
23:43:14	franklin	lol
23:43:31	[Saint]	Its also a cost vs. benefit thing. If you want to do it, go for it, but at the end of the day there's very little to no functional benefit.
23:43:50	gevaerts	There is a definite downside to this sort of change as well
23:43:54	[Saint]	other things to do would be fixing up non-UK English in the sources.
23:45:21	jhMikeS	[Saint]: haha
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23:45:31	*	gevaerts would definitely object to that
23:46:45	franklin	that would be easy with a list of the words to change :)
23:46:52	franklin	but I would object too
23:46:54	franklin	:)
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23:47:19	gevaerts	franklin: on what grounds though?
23:47:21	franklin	I have one more bug to work out: how do I make find follow two patterns?
23:47:29	franklin	I like non-UK english :)
23:47:31	franklin	:p saint
23:47:36	gevaerts	Wrong reason :)
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23:47:49	gevaerts	Rockbox uses UK English officially
23:47:59	franklin	But I hate it :)
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23:48:12	franklin	But grey_gray_bitmap can be annoying at times :)
23:48:17	*	jhMikeS fixed up the ipod6g thing the cheesy way but it's no worse than what's going on now
23:48:30	gevaerts	I'm not at all convinced that whitespace fixes are a good idea anyway
23:48:57	[Saint]	there's a LOT of places where whitespace gobblers can get too eager and screw shit up the eye wouldn;t notice.
23:49:08	gevaerts	That can be avoided
23:49:19	[Saint]	It can, yes.
23:49:23	gevaerts	So that's still not the reason I'm not fond of this :)
23:49:40	[Saint]	Well, do share, we're on eggshells here waiting.
23:50:10	gevaerts	These changes make it harder to trace what happened to code over time, which is annoying if you're tracking down bugs
23:51:20	jhMikeS	maybe every new year's or release, clean it once?
23:51:54	franklin	Yeah
23:51:59	*	[Saint] doesn't think that whitespace/comment/indentation changes make it appreciably more difficult to track changes
23:52:15	[Saint]	perhaps slightly annoying.
23:52:29	franklin	I have a problem, it includes files under build/
23:52:36	franklin	how to make find ignore them?
23:52:49	gevaerts	Also, there's things like patches suddenly no longer applying
23:53:18	[Saint]	just whitespace/comment changes should still apply with a degree of fuzz.
23:53:26	[Saint]	_should_.
23:53:49	[Saint]	One should always be wary of patches applying, though, in an actively developed project.
23:53:57	[Saint]	I'm not sure that's a real concern to be honest.
23:54:20	gevaerts	These are all relatively minor issues, sure
23:54:29	gevaerts	But then so is the issue you're fixing
23:54:30	franklin	[Saint]: how to checkout a "clean" branch (no build* dirs)?
23:54:32	jhMikeS	gee if you can't apply a patch from 2002, we're just not doin' er jerbs
23:54:39	franklin	lol
23:55:50	franklin	So I'm not wasting time cleaning build/
23:55:50	[Saint]	franklin: ...what do you mean? Build dirs aren't included in the source. Just checkout.
23:56:12	franklin	currently, my script will indent the .c files under build/, too, which wastes time
23:56:15	jhMikeS	you can ignore it under .gitignore
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23:56:27	franklin	No, but they're still in the directory
23:56:36	[Saint]	build dirs are already ignored, no?
23:57:00	franklin	[Saint]: in Git they are, but they are still in the directory when I create a new branch
23:57:19	jhMikeS	yeah, why would they go anywhere?
23:57:20	gevaerts	franklin: if you want to remove everything that's not in git, "git clean -d -x -f". Be careful with that though :)
23:57:30	[Saint]	Why would they not be there?
23:57:35	[Saint]	Its untracked changes.
23:57:37	franklin	But I want to keep my build/ dir for later when I'm done
23:57:54	[Saint]	I think this is a problem between expactation and reality conflicting.
23:58:14	jhMikeS	then put it outside the checkout?
23:58:40	[Saint]	to be honest - who the fuck builds in-tree these days anyway? Ick.
23:58:56	[Saint]	We have a nice build system perfectly capable of not doing so.
23:58:56	franklin	never mind, I just ran git clean -d -x -f and lost all my build dirs :)

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