#rockbox 2014-08-07

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#rockbox log for 2014-08-07

00:00:09		Join wowaname [0] (~wow@gateway/tor-sasl/wowaname)
00:00:21	[Saint]	modern distros have idiot protection there.
00:00:23	*	gevaerts won't
00:00:28	gevaerts	mkfs is faster
00:00:41	wowaname	i had a strange thought, but now i'm curious: is the rockbox skin engine turing complete
00:00:49	gevaerts	It's not
00:00:54	[Saint]	Most definitely not.
00:00:55	wowaname	ok lol
00:01:17	wowaname	thanks for the heads up before i tried the turing test
00:01:36	wowaname	css can kinda do it
00:01:39	wowaname	but with human intervention
00:01:41	[Saint]	On a semi related note - if the skin engine ever gains sentience, I highly suspect it will be in favor of euthanasia.
00:01:44	wowaname	so it isnt actually turing complete
00:01:48	wowaname	haha
00:01:51	jhMikeS	franklin: righto! so go ahead :)
00:02:14	franklin	But I rewrote it in 30 seconds
00:02:20	jhMikeS	[Saint]: euthanasia for itself or for us?
00:02:38	franklin	2400 files...
00:02:49	[Saint]	%s%ac%Sx(Kill me...please...just kill meeeeeeeee....)
00:02:54	gevaerts	We're not entirely sure if the people who designed the skin language would pass the turing test
00:03:02	franklin	lol
00:03:07	[Saint]	Or those that use it.
00:03:15	wowaname	lol
00:03:15		Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@94-74-228-155.client.rionet.cz)
00:03:21	franklin	OK, it has 2400 files to indent, i'll be back :)
00:03:24		Quit franklin (Quit: Leaving)
00:03:30	jhMikeS	why is the skin language that way? just to save space?
00:04:00	[Saint]	"that way"?
00:04:04		Part ZincAlloy
00:04:17	[Saint]	wowaname: http://imgur.com/a/x4Ogi#0 - see, obviously the work of a madman.
00:04:24	[Saint]	(ie. me)
00:04:32		Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
00:04:46	*	wowaname appends /noscript to the url
00:04:59	jhMikeS	[Saint]: you know, "that way", so it looks like alphabet soup
00:05:01	wowaname	oh nice
00:05:12	wowaname	[Saint] what device is that for
00:05:31	wowaname	nice theme
00:05:32	[Saint]	480x8**ish touchscreen
00:05:42	wowaname	oh
00:05:52	[Saint]	(width is still hardcoded in several places...grumble grumble)
00:05:54	wowaname	my ipod classic's theme is just text
00:05:56	wowaname	with a backdrop
00:06:07	[Saint]	Mine is the fallback sans peak meters.
00:06:15	wowaname	i made t and i like it (also unifont's awesome for all the unicode track names i have)
00:06:23	[Saint]	My main menu has three items, Files, Resume Playback, and Settings, lol.
00:06:47	gevaerts	[Saint]: that's four items
00:06:53		Quit zoktar (Quit: -)
00:06:58	wowaname	lol isnt an item
00:07:02	[Saint]	ANd quite literally everything I don't use is disabled.
00:07:13	wowaname	wait, you can customise the main menu?
00:07:19	wowaname	or did you just remove them from code
00:07:34	[Saint]	yes, yes you can.
00:07:57	[Saint]	sec.
00:08:09	wowaname	kk
00:08:51	[Saint]	fucks sake...Chrome won't load any of the PDF manuals.
00:09:01	jhMikeS	only reason you can do most of this stuff is I think [Saint] goaded JdGordon into implementing it or something
00:09:41	*	[Saint] will freely admit to his wants being a large governing body in skin syntax implementation
00:09:49	[Saint]	#friendsinhighplaces
00:10:47		Join zoktar [0] (~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar)
00:12:40	wowaname	will there ever be support for utf16?
00:13:22	[Saint]	wowaname: see manual section:
00:13:33	[Saint]	13.1.1. Customising The Main Menu
00:14:17	jhMikeS	utf16 what?
00:14:43	[Saint]	root menu order: bookmarks,files,database,wps,settings,recording,radio,playlists,plugins,system menu,shortcuts,shutdown
00:14:43	wowaname	ok thanks [Saint]
00:14:46	jhMikeS	There is actually
00:15:00	[Saint]	wowaname: if you can't be bothered with that, see the string above.
00:15:24	[Saint]	You can remove all of those items if you wish, but "settings" wilol always be added automatically.
00:15:32	wowaname	ah
00:15:35	[Saint]	(so that you can easily revert shanges)
00:15:41	wowaname	i have the pdf
00:15:57	[Saint]	search for 13.1.1
00:16:03	[Saint]	it'll dig it up.
00:16:06	wowaname	kk
00:16:14	wowaname	jhMikeS https://onichomp.bandcamp.com/album/−−3
00:16:28	wowaname	the album name and track 4 show up as blank on my ipod
00:16:35	[Saint]	the "shutdown" setting will only work for targets that already support soft shutdown.
00:16:45	[Saint]	But I have a patch that makes that...every target.
00:16:52	wowaname	lol
00:16:59	[Saint]	It doesn't look likes its going to be accepted, though. Which is kinda ass.
00:17:44	wowaname	what goes on during the shutdown sequence anyway
00:18:51	gevaerts	wowaname: utf16 is supported for metadata. If it doesn't show correctly, there's something else going on
00:20:01	gevaerts	It should be, anyway
00:20:11	[Saint]	wowaname: if you're comfortable with git and patch - http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/156/
00:20:26	[Saint]	g#156
00:20:29	fs-bluebot	3Gerrit review #156 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/156 : 3root menu: add the shutdown option to all builds by Hayden Pearce
00:20:46		Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com)
00:20:50	wowaname	kk [Saint]
00:21:13	franklin	ok, the script's running
00:21:24	wowaname	i'm comfortable but i dont think i'll see a use in it for now
00:21:31	wowaname	oh gevaerts that's weird
00:21:38	franklin	though I don't want to publish it, because it depends on emacs and several extensions of it
00:22:15	[Saint]	...why would you do that?
00:22:16	wowaname	maybe someone didnt include those characters when porting unifont to rockbox
00:22:26	franklin	do what?
00:22:34	[Saint]	This is quite literally a rather small one-liner shell script.
00:22:42	[Saint]	Yet you involve emacs?
00:22:53	franklin	for indentation, yes
00:23:20	franklin	most of the work is given to emacs (indentation, cleanup) and the script is just a driver
00:24:31	jhMikeS	wowaname: may be the font doesn't have the chars in it
00:24:43	[Saint]	he's using unifont
00:24:47	franklin	[Saint], could you code-review 2048?
00:25:16	jhMikeS	[Saint]: doesn't that meant it covers all code points?
00:25:22	wowaname	jhMikeS unifont ttf does
00:25:44	jhMikeS	things are UTF-8 internally
00:25:46	wowaname	yes it does cover most/all code points but the rockbox font seems not
00:26:17	franklin	BTW, is the "official" name Rockbox or RockBox or ROCKBox?
00:26:33	wowaname	yes
00:26:35	gevaerts	It definitely doesn't cover current unicode, and AFAIK it only does the lower 16 bit anyway
00:26:37	wowaname	lol idk
00:26:39	[Saint]	My antialiased version is more up to date and has slightly better glyph coverage, wowaname
00:26:42	franklin	or rockBOX or RockBOX?
00:26:48	wowaname	>antialiased
00:26:50	wowaname	>unifont
00:26:55	wowaname	[Saint] what have you done
00:27:00	[Saint]	Heh. :)
00:27:22	wowaname	it's a bitmap font for a reason
00:27:24	[Saint]	wowaname: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30204410/Rockbox%20as%20an%20Application/Font%20Pack/font-pack.zip
00:27:28	wowaname	i like bitmap/pixel fonts
00:27:43	wowaname	is that the same font pack as the one i already have
00:27:58	[Saint]	that's the antialiased fontpack I provide via the extras section on Rockbox.org
00:28:09	[Saint]	not Rb's official font pack.
00:28:09	wowaname	oh
00:28:13	wowaname	i'll um
00:28:14	wowaname	pass
00:28:29	wowaname	i think i'll port times new roman
00:28:32	wowaname	and comic sans ms
00:28:35	wowaname	to piss people off
00:28:37	wowaname	;3
00:28:37	franklin	so [Saint] is it ROCKbox RockBox or Rockbox>?
00:28:45	wowaname	Rockbox>
00:28:47	wowaname	duh
00:29:12	[Saint]	wowaname: licensing is gonna fuck you over there
00:29:12	franklin	Some places on Wikipedia (infallible, right?) say RockBox
00:29:29	wowaname	[Saint] it's for personal use
00:29:33	[Saint]	wowaname: if you're wanting to distribute, that is.
00:29:36	[Saint]	AH.
00:29:45	[Saint]	Well, then it won't be pissing people off will it? ;)
00:29:46	wowaname	and if i do distribute, i'll host it myself
00:29:55	wowaname	[Saint] my screencaps on twitter will ;3
00:32:23	franklin	wowaname: and lose your internet
00:32:52	wowaname	franklin whois me
00:32:59	wowaname	see my hostcloak?
00:33:01		Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;))
00:33:05	wowaname	i know how to host a hidden service
00:33:08	wowaname	and i host quite a few
00:33:14	wowaname	copyright can suck my ass
00:33:23	wowaname	<3
00:35:18	[Saint]	wants privacy; uses network designed by and for government monitoring agencies.
00:35:21	*	gevaerts reminds people of the topic
00:35:24	[Saint]	...checks out.
00:36:40	wowaname	[Saint] nice fallacy
00:36:54	[Saint]	do some research dude.
00:36:56	wowaname	you're cute, i'll give you that
00:37:26	wowaname	you do some research; tor has been audited by many independent people/orgs
00:37:42	[Saint]	that doesn't make what I said untrue.
00:37:54	[Saint]	its a fact.
00:38:00	wowaname	it is
00:38:02	*	gevaerts reminds people of the topic
00:38:19	wowaname	gevaerts thanks a lot, i can use /topic
00:38:47	wowaname	you're quite annoying, maybe you should go in #freenode and yell at pepole to go to #defocus. you'd be perfect for that
00:38:53	Mode	"#rockbox +o gevaerts" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:38:58	wowaname	oh woo
00:39:02	wowaname	i'm gonna get kickbanned
00:39:05	wowaname	or muted
00:39:09	wowaname	i'm shaking
00:39:09	Mode	"#rockbox +q wowaname!@" by gevaerts (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
00:39:38	gevaerts	I'll revert that in ten minutes or so. Please use that time to think
00:39:43		Part wowaname
00:39:49		Join opal [0] (~wow@gateway/tor-sasl/wowaname)
00:39:57	opal	i'll use that time to reflect on your shitty nickban
00:40:15		Nick opal is now known as Guest26779 (~wow@gateway/tor-sasl/wowaname)
00:40:26	[Saint]	Fuck. Sorry for derailing that conversation. I'm not a fan of being called out on things that are obviously true.
00:40:42	[Saint]	Thanks for giving us a reason to kline you for ban-hopping.
00:40:49	Guest26779	lol
00:40:53	Mode	"#rockbox +q !wow@gateway/tor-sasl/" by gevaerts (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
00:47:08		Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection)
00:48:22		Part Guest26779 ("<3")
00:48:56	jhMikeS	if ata_init in storage_ata-ipod6g.c is being called more than once that's really not a good thing
00:51:57	[Saint]	jhMikeS: you almost certainly want to summon TheSeven and make sure you're not stepping on future toesies.
00:52:07	*	[Saint] summons TheSeven
00:52:22	[Saint]	He's another one that likes to do massive reworks in almost complete privacy.
00:52:42	[Saint]	...maybe you two should hook up? ;)
00:52:49	[Saint]	Make a cute couple.
00:53:04	jhMikeS	I'm not changing much, just compatible stuff but I did notice something looks possibly fishy
00:53:14	jhMikeS	jhaha
00:56:05		Quit ender` (Quit: Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.)
00:57:45	Mode	"#rockbox -q wowaname!@]" by gevaerts (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
00:57:54	Mode	"#rockbox -q !wow@gateway/tor-sasl/" by gevaerts (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
00:58:35	franklin	[Saint]: the script is done
00:59:21	franklin	~80000 lines changed
01:00
01:00:20	[Saint]	Have fun reviewing it all.
01:00:27	franklin	:D
01:01:27	franklin	But that was just the .c files
01:01:32	franklin	now for the headers :)
01:03:52	Mode	"#rockbox -b !@bcas.tv" by gevaerts (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
01:03:59	Mode	"#rockbox -o gevaerts" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
01:04:21	franklin	And there's also 2000 or so of them :)
01:05:24	franklin	So who wants to review Gerrit #908?
01:05:27	fs-bluebot	3Gerrit review #908 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/908 : 3Cleanup whitespace and made indentation consistent across the code by Franklin Wei
01:06:10	gevaerts	Hmmm
01:06:13	*	gevaerts remembers
01:06:16	franklin	And could someone also review Gerrit #888? Just fun making fs-bluebot talk :)
01:06:19	fs-bluebot	3Gerrit review #888 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/888 : 3Added 2048 game by Franklin Wei
01:06:20	franklin	lo
01:06:22	franklin	lol
01:06:25	*	jhMikeS wonders how to review something that's invisible
01:06:51	gevaerts	One other thing we've traditionally done is let borrowed source keep its style to make it easier to merge future versions of it
01:07:13	franklin	But let's just break everything for 4.0! :)
01:07:14	gevaerts	How important that is depends on what it is and how likely such a merge is, of course
01:07:33	[Saint]	iirc the opus stuff is a bit of a cock to merge.
01:07:57	franklin	or 3.14
01:08:27	franklin	That was probably the biggest patch Gerrit has ever gotten :)
01:09:10	gevaerts	franklin: if you want to have some fun, figure out who committed all of those "wrong" lines, and produce some statistics :)
01:09:17	*	[Saint] sincerely boubts that
01:09:22	[Saint]	*doubts, even
01:09:35	franklin	boubt? more UK slang? :)
01:09:39	franklin	:D
01:10:08	franklin	So I guess git blame would do the job
01:10:16	franklin	Might take a day or so :)
01:10:38	franklin	Does git have a way to dump the filename/line number of each line changed?
01:11:56	franklin	Also, I might write a script that converted all the annoying camelCaseIdentifiers to the more sane normal_identifiers
01:12:14	franklin	OK, about 1/5 done with the headers
01:12:18	franklin	1/4
01:13:18	franklin	Oh I just crashed firefox by clicking on the "All unified" button on Gerrit :)
01:13:43	franklin	It just opened about 200 tabs :)
01:13:45	*	gevaerts wouldn't recommend actually changing identifiers
01:14:11	gevaerts	You risk creating conflicts that way, at the very least
01:14:19	jhMikeS	even the calls to windows APIs in the sim, change those too
01:14:37	gevaerts	Yes. Those are annoying!
01:16:02	franklin	ok, just needed to switch to tty2 and killall firefox :(
01:17:05	franklin	Oh and when I open firefox again, it tries to restore all those tabs :)
01:17:07	franklin	lol
01:18:41	franklin	But seriously, why are you against this gevaerts? I mean, merging old code?
01:19:35	jhMikeS	against merging old code?
01:19:38	gevaerts	It confuses the history and makes it (slightly, true) more annoying to figure out what happened to a bit of code
01:19:53	franklin	Git isn't confused by whitespace.
01:20:10	jhMikeS	neither is my cat
01:20:11	gevaerts	Only if you remember to set the right switches, and git log still is
01:20:16	gevaerts	If I'm the only one who thinks that way, then fine
01:20:45	franklin	I just can't stand having 10 or so blank lines at the end of a file :)
01:20:45	gevaerts	But I don't want this to go in because one person liked it and thought nobody else had an opinion
01:20:55	[Saint]	I don't like it because its a massive sweeping change that is practically impossible to review and provides no real world benefit.
01:21:20	franklin	OK, if you don't trust me, then run the script yourself :)
01:21:51	[Saint]	That's not the issue. The issue is that no one is going to review 80K LOC by hand.
01:21:59	[Saint]	No one.
01:22:14	gevaerts	It should result in no changes
01:22:15	franklin	But there's not much to review!
01:22:29	gevaerts	So just build all targets with and without the patch, and compare files
01:22:50	gevaerts	If that comes out clean, you're good to go
01:23:11	franklin	Clean code! If the current code has tabs and spaces at the ends of lines, future writers are going to think it's normal!
01:23:32	*	jhMikeS wonders if the script would affect quoted strings
01:23:45	franklin	No, there shouldn't be tabs in quoted strings
01:23:50	gevaerts	jhMikeS: that's what comparing binaries is for :)
01:23:55	franklin	If there are, they would be escaped with \t
01:24:04	gevaerts	franklin: there could be
01:24:04	franklin	ok here it goes
01:24:20	franklin	well, true
01:24:22	[Saint]	There very well could be tabs in quoted strings.
01:24:31	[Saint]	its not impossible.
01:24:38	franklin	but they should be escaped with \t instead of a tab
01:24:43	gevaerts	Anyway, just build everything twice and check. Easy :)
01:24:44	franklin	but sure, I'll diff the binaries
01:25:06	*	[Saint] predicts this being impossible
01:25:11	gevaerts	It takes a while, sure, but that's only tedious for the computer
01:25:14	[Saint]	for you alone, at least.
01:25:27	[Saint]	You're absolutely not going to be able to build for all targets.
01:25:46	franklin	So could you pull it into HEAD and let the build farm test it?
01:26:04	[Saint]	We /could/.
01:26:28	gevaerts	franklin: set VERSION by hand for this, as in "make VERSION=something"
01:26:33	gevaerts	Not easily
01:26:43	franklin	what do you mean?
01:26:44	gevaerts	The build system doesn't upload all binaries
01:26:49	franklin	why set version by hand?
01:27:08	gevaerts	Because otherwise the version strings will differ, which means binaries will differ, which is annoying
01:27:22	franklin	oh
01:27:25	gevaerts	You want to make that comparison as easy as possible :)
01:27:54	gevaerts	If every target is different, and you have to spend time to find out it's just the version, you'll be upset
01:28:00	franklin	anything else that could be different?
01:28:10	gevaerts	Not that I can think of
01:28:22	franklin	Build dates? Not really
01:28:36	franklin	unless I build near midnight
01:28:41	gevaerts	No. Well, same string, VERSION= will take care of that
01:29:14	franklin	VERSION=shuffling-zombie-box ok? :)
01:29:20	gevaerts	Anything you like :)
01:29:43	franklin	VERSION=why-cant-this-just-get-accepted-into-HEAD-already ok, then?
01:29:46	franklin	:)
01:29:47	gevaerts	You know you can pass target and build type to configure on the command line?
01:29:58	franklin	never knew :)
01:30:17	franklin	so, about 70% done with the headers
01:30:17	gevaerts	You'll need that if you're going to build everything :)
01:30:34	franklin	I'm not building EVERYTHING! one target, that's it
01:30:48	franklin	If you want to test more, then use the build farm
01:30:56	gevaerts	You only want to prove that 7% of your changes are correct?
01:31:13	*	gevaerts doesn't see the point of that!
01:32:13	franklin	couldn't you just pull it into head and see if it is different?
01:32:23	gevaerts	No
01:32:29	franklin	why"?
01:32:37	franklin	it takes, what, 5 minutes to build
01:32:54	gevaerts	And how do I then compare the binaries?
01:32:58	[Saint]	Because our sources aren't your playground.
01:33:11	franklin	ugh
01:33:46	gevaerts	For the record, building everything takes about three hours on my laptop
01:33:48	[Saint]	Yeah...I know right. Its sooooooo terrible that we expect developers to confirm their changes actually build.
01:33:49	gevaerts	Not that much
01:33:51	[Saint]	How cruel of us.
01:34:05	franklin	like every target?
01:34:12	franklin	I'll let it run overnight, then
01:34:34	[Saint]	I suspect on your terribly underpowered workstation you'll be there a long time.
01:34:46	franklin	Oh yeah :)
01:34:58	franklin	It takes about an hour PER BUILD
01:35:10	franklin	So, there's about 80 targets?
01:35:21	jhMikeS	see ya in a few days
01:35:25	franklin	200
01:35:40	[Saint]	Do you have ccache installed? A build time like that highly suggests that you do not.
01:35:43	jhMikeS	168 hourse per week
01:36:05		Quit Provel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
01:36:05	franklin	I never got around to it
01:36:13	franklin	But I don't have a big enough HDD
01:36:16	franklin	(10 GB!)
01:36:34	franklin	Barely enough to fit Arch, GCC, emacs, make, Rockbox, etc.
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01:37:11	[Saint]	My ~/.ccache that caters for 7 different projects is only 1.1GB
01:37:25	franklin	Too big...
01:37:37	franklin	But I'll do it
01:37:45	[Saint]	ccahe will dramatically decrease build times.
01:37:52	franklin	Removing my swapfile might be a bad idea... (about 60M of ram!)
01:38:04	franklin	No 160M!
01:38:09	franklin	Yeah, should be enough
01:38:32	[Saint]	Jesus christ, you must have to always build on a single thread.
01:38:37	[Saint]	Fuck that.
01:38:51	franklin	Celeron Mendocino
01:38:55	franklin	500MHz
01:39:02	*	[Saint] is too used to passing "make -j 168"
01:39:07	franklin	lol
01:39:13	[Saint]	that's kill your wee baby.
01:39:16	franklin	seriously? 167 cores?
01:39:17	[Saint]	*that'd
01:39:53	franklin	OK, the md5sum for rockbox.zip WITH the spaces diff is 9c3611ecdf046c8999c14e065bd4f04c
01:40:00	franklin	(ipod6g)
01:41:08	[Saint]	21 threads per core, its the upper limit on my server before things start getting choppy.
01:42:12	franklin	could you build the zip for 81ffd9bfeee6aca65f507a46c8123b47ca6e2803, ipod6g and tell me the md5sum?
01:42:42	franklin	what kind of "server" is that?
01:43:26	franklin	This thing is slow enough with 2 threads
01:43:28	[Saint]	A weird custom quad-socket board that came out of a GFX processing farm.
01:43:40	[Saint]	ex WETA Workshops gear.
01:43:42	franklin	came out... as in stolen?
01:43:45	franklin	:)
01:43:50	[Saint]	Quite possibly.
01:43:56	franklin	lol
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01:44:39	franklin	ah dang it! it removed the cleaned up headers!!!! NOOOOO
01:45:11	franklin	nooooo!!!!
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01:48:36	franklin_	ah just made a fork bomb with my cleanup script!
01:48:42	franklin_	crashed this thing
01:49:15	franklin_	OK, i'll clean up the headers overnight and rebase the patch and diff the binaries tomorrow
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01:51:02	franklin	ok, i'll go play some xonotic now and worry about the patch tomorrow :)
01:51:58	franklin	Also, [Saint], could you review 2048? It's just 900 or so lines, much better than 80000! :)
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03:30:01	franklin	[Saint]: Gerrit #908 is now ~90K LOC! :)
03:30:07	fs-bluebot	3Gerrit review #908 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/908 : 3Cleanup whitespace and made indentation consistent across the code by Franklin Wei
03:31:20	[Saint]	What are logical actions for album art and metadata touch regions to perform?
03:31:39	[Saint]	Its two pretty big opportunities for context sensitive buttons going unused in my theme.
03:32:03	[Saint]	If you pressed and held the album art, what would you _expect_ it to do?
03:32:17	JdGordon	I wouldnt expect that to do anything
03:32:18	[Saint]	Same question s/album art/metadata/.
03:32:18	franklin	bring up info
03:32:26	franklin	on the album
03:35:04	[Saint]	album art long press == browse (navigate back to file browser/database playback location), metadata long press == wps context menu?
03:35:29	[Saint]	I just realized I fucked up and you can't get to the context menu at all in my theme. :p
03:35:46	[Saint]	I guess I can jam it in the overflow menu...
03:36:00	[Saint]	Hmmm. That seems nicer, maybe. Dunno.
03:36:01	franklin	what's the theme called?
03:36:37	[Saint]	Honestly? At present, its called "touch_theme_demo".
03:36:46	[Saint]	Stylish.
03:36:49	[Saint]	lol
03:37:09	franklin	Nice
03:37:11	franklin	:)
03:37:15	franklin	;)
03:37:42	franklin	Sooo.... maybe add an FPGA to my RPi to mine coins even faster?
03:37:54	[Saint]	Soooo, maybe /topic
03:37:54	franklin	Like 1khash
03:38:19	franklin	Soooooooo, maybe I should stop talking :)
03:39:10	franklin	[Saint]: I don't see a scenario where replacing a tab in the sources with 8 spaces could hurt, do you?
03:39:21	franklin	Like in a string literal, it'd still look the same
03:39:37	[Saint]	Anyway, yeah, I feel like even if I do implement the wps context menu in the overflow menu, I feel like the album art and metadata areas are too large to not put them to use for some form of touch sensitive action.
03:40:23	franklin	Soon enough, someone's going to add a scripting language to the theme language :)
03:40:37	franklin	That's where the fun starts
03:41:02	franklin	Interactive 3-D backgrounds would be awesome... :)
03:43:11	[Saint]	ಠ_ಠ
03:44:20	franklin	And that is...
03:46:34	franklin	ls
03:46:35	franklin	sorry
03:46:39	franklin	wrong window :)
03:48:14	franklin	Hey [Saint]: any plugin ideas? I'm thinking a unit converter type of thing. You scroll down to the unit you have, and scroll left-right to change it's value. Would look kinda like the EQ
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03:48:35	franklin	And then menu to change the type of unit
03:48:54	franklin	So volume -> liter -> 4L -> 1gal :)
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04:01:34	JdGordon	11:39 <franklin> [Saint]: I don't see a scenario where replacing a tab in the sources with 8 spaces could hurt, do you?
04:01:41	JdGordon	That is the very definition of broken
04:01:57	JdGordon	the reason o use \t instead of a set space count there is so the text lines up nicely
04:02:07	JdGordon	but yeah, 908 isnt going to be accepted
04:04:35	[Saint]	I wouldn't say that's an absolute, but it is highly improbable.
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04:17:51	franklin	JdGordon, so how about Gerrit #888?
04:17:53	fs-bluebot	3Gerrit review #888 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/888 : 3Added 2048 game by Franklin Wei
04:18:07	franklin	Ugh bluebot is annoying sometimes
04:18:39	JdGordon	saratoga actually tested it, get hi to push the button
04:18:55	franklin	He's not on
04:19:12	franklin	:(
04:19:26	franklin	I haven't seen him lately
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06:44:38	[Saint]	I have a persistently repeatable bug on git Android with scrolling lines in the menu locking up.
06:44:46	[Saint]	Can anyone confirm this?
06:45:03	[Saint]	I can repro on multiple devices and Android versions.
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06:48:02	[Saint]	RaaA should (well, it shouldn't :p) hard lock.
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06:54:50	JdGordon	[Saint]: you've got it on git head?
06:54:58	JdGordon	oh, you're runnig ART right?
06:55:11	JdGordon	ploco has a patch on gerrit to posibly fix it
06:55:35	JdGordon	and of course, gerrit isnt currently availabl
06:58:29	[Saint]	No. My test device is Dalvik based.
06:59:00	[Saint]	It won't load on ART at all without crippling arguably vital systems.
06:59:43	JdGordon	OK, i could repro the bug easily with the scaled display patch
06:59:56	[Saint]	On a slightly related note, we have a technical review of Rockbox playback behavior:
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07:00:09	[Saint]	"Its fukken bukkshit!"
07:00:23	JdGordon	?
07:00:36	[Saint]	- Ms. [Saint] on playlist behavior while paused
07:01:10	[Saint]	She expects selecting a new track to un-pause playback.
07:01:27	JdGordon	yeah, but shes female so wrong
07:01:28	[Saint]	Which has some merit, I guess.
07:01:41	[Saint]	Oop. Timing. Heh.
07:02:34	[Saint]	I had to explain that it doesn't behave the same way because you're inserting into the same dynamic playlist that you explicitly paused...blah blah.
07:03:00	[Saint]	Cue blank expression and "well...its bullshit" pout.
07:03:03	[Saint]	:p
07:05:02	JdGordon	looks like rb.org is fucked
07:05:16	JdGordon	Zagor: server stuff?
07:05:17	[Saint]	I can kind of see her point but inserting new tracks or selecting a different track from the existing dynamic playlist doesn't negate having previously explicitly paused it.
07:06:36	[Saint]	Whatever happened to the new website front?
07:09:37	[Saint]	JdGordon: regarding the scrolling shit - my test device is only 480x800 (hence tsrgetig that resolution first in theme work, plus it being the most common resolution still) so scrolling is rather easy to reproduce.
07:09:46	[Saint]	It doesn't happen in the Sim.
07:10:14	JdGordon	i just tried it on my phone and scrolling is fine
07:10:27	[Saint]	Hmmmm. Fun.
07:12:41	[Saint]	Did you specifically try setting scroll step size?
07:12:56	[Saint]	Scrolling in wps seems fine.
07:13:05	JdGordon	yes
07:14:14	[Saint]	Well...fuck. Thanks.
07:15:15	*	[Saint] wonders if he didn't somehow cause this from switching from openjdk7 to oracle java 8
07:15:33	[Saint]	Seems rather unlikely but I'll try rolling back tonight.
07:15:46	JdGordon	that would be an interesting experiment
07:16:04	JdGordon	though my build is both with the same jdk so shouldnt affect it
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10:03:38	[Saint]	http://pastebin.com/JbaejJf3
10:04:03	[Saint]	wps overflow menu implemented in 170 LOC
10:04:41	[Saint]	basic playback and sound settings, playlist control, context menu access, volume, and a quickview status display.
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10:05:43	[Saint]	I really didn't want to do so, but rewriting that section of the code was rather beneficial to my sanity and it removed quite a few hacks and lead me to create a blank base menu commented in the codebase.
10:15:20	[Saint]	208 LOC including comments and a blank menu structure commented out for easy addition of new menus/sub-menus.
10:15:40	[Saint]	sounds pretty fat but its very simple code and it parses really quick.
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13:03:31	Usergnome	Hello
13:03:56	Usergnome	I am installing rockbox on my clip+, this is a stupid question, but what theme would you recommend?
13:05:00	[Saint]	whichever one you like.
13:05:26	pamaury	I find the default theme fine, because I leave the screen off most of the time
13:06:14	*	[Saint] uses the fallback theme because he finds anything short of text on a non-touch display ober-the-top
13:06:27	[Saint]	*over, even.
13:06:41	[Saint]	I spend approximately 1% of the time looking at the screen.
13:07:03	[Saint]	On touchscreen devices, its a rather different story.
13:11:10	copper	Usergnome: shameless plug: http://caudec.net/rockbox/#ClipGym
13:11:25	copper	hmmm
13:11:31	copper	I need to update it on the RB theme site
13:12:03	Usergnome	copper: I actually quite like that
13:12:32	copper	:)
13:12:40	Usergnome	Requires the latest dev build?
13:14:52	[Saint]	any vaguely current theme likely will.
13:14:59	[Saint]	the release is ~18 months old.
13:15:10	[Saint]	and things have changed fairly drastically in that time.
13:15:36	Usergnome	I am installing rockbox now, should I install the dev version?
13:15:42	[Saint]	Yes.
13:15:44	Usergnome	Also how do I update rockbox?
13:16:10	copper	updated http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=2169&target=sansaclipplus
13:16:24	[Saint]	Rockbox utility can update Rockbox for you, or you can simply download an updated binary and extract it to the root of the device.
13:17:15	Usergnome	Ok
13:17:17	Usergnome	Thanks
13:18:08	Usergnome	copper: Do these votes show up to you?
13:19:05	copper	wtf
13:19:34	copper	are you the one who fucked with the ratings on the theme site?
13:19:46	Usergnome	Just got on the site
13:20:09	copper	please don't do that
13:20:15	Usergnome	ok
13:20:25	copper	I thought the bug was fixed
13:20:32	Usergnome	Didn't realize it was a bug
13:20:36	copper	how did you do it?
13:20:48	Usergnome	I just clicked vote
13:20:52	Usergnome	rate*
13:21:03	copper	no you didn't
13:21:11	Usergnome	Yes I did
13:21:22	copper	how did it go from 0 vote to 204 votes?
13:21:32	Usergnome	I clicked it more then once, ovbiously.
13:21:58	copper	there should be a voting rate limit
13:22:08	copper	are you blocking cookies?
13:22:23	[Saint]	that'll likely be it.
13:22:34	[Saint]	if the user blocks cookies, they can just troll the fuck out of us.
13:22:37	Usergnome	I am blocking Cookies, javascript, geolocation, cache, history etc
13:22:54	copper	there's no IP based limiter?
13:23:05	Usergnome	I guess not, my IP is visible
13:23:06	[Saint]	doubt it.
13:23:12	copper	sigh
13:23:23	Usergnome	Sorry, I didn't realize this was a problem
13:23:47	[Saint]	No problem.
13:24:24	[Saint]	We have issues with "rival" authors deliberately negging top rated themes into oblivion.
13:24:36	copper	that's jsut conjecture
13:24:44	[Saint]	Its pretty bloody obvious who it is, but, alas, I can't /prove/ it.
13:24:51	copper	uh?
13:25:01	copper	sure as hell ain't me
13:25:19	Usergnome	You have 205 votes, it must be you
13:25:22	copper	lol
13:25:48	[Saint]	I cached pages for a week or so and saw some alarming patterns on themes that got upvoted highly whilst other top rated themes got downvoted into oblivion.
13:26:02	copper	do share with the class
13:26:02	Usergnome	Could anyone help me find the original sandisk firmware for clip+?
13:26:19	Usergnome	Will pay in votes
13:26:27	[Saint]	I'd rather not, but I'm sure they know who they are.
13:26:28	copper	Usergnome: there should be a link to it in the RB Utility message pop-up
13:26:57	Usergnome	copper: There is a link to the wiki and manual?
13:27:22	copper	http://mp3support.sandisk.com/firmware/clipplus/clipplus01.02.18.zip
13:27:28	[Saint]	If I could prove it without a doubt instead of having a highly suggestive pattern I'd be all over it.
13:28:08	Usergnome	copper: Thank you
13:28:11	copper	np
13:28:24	copper	online manuals are down btw
13:28:39	copper	you need to download the PDF manual (for Rockbox)
13:28:55	copper	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus.pdf
13:30:32	Usergnome	What software application do I need to read that clippa.bin file?
13:30:39	copper	and make sure to install the font pack with the utility
13:30:56	copper	you don't need to "read" it
13:31:04	copper	the RB utility just asks for it
13:31:08	Usergnome	Oh ok
13:31:09	copper	it will do the rest
13:31:18	Usergnome	I've been trying to open it
13:32:48	Usergnome	Is it really that quick? the installtion.
13:33:02	copper	sure
13:33:55	Usergnome	I'm insulted, that was too easy
13:38:39	Usergnome	Anyway, thanks for the help
13:38:59	Usergnome	goodbye
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13:45:41	Usergnome	I may of done something wrong, when I turn on my sansaclip it takes to me the rockbox firmware, when I press the on button and the home button at the same time it takes me to the original firmware?
13:47:29	[Saint]	that's our dual-boot functionality.
13:47:37	[Saint]	completely intentional.
13:47:53	Usergnome	Why would I need to duelboot?
13:48:01	Usergnome	dual*
13:48:19	[Saint]	you very well may not, but the important part is, you can.
13:48:42	Usergnome	Ok, fair enough
13:48:52	Usergnome	Sorry, I didn't realize duelbooting was a feature
13:49:11	Usergnome	How can I get themes to work?
13:50:39	[Saint]	settings - theme settings - browse themes
13:50:52	Usergnome	Sorry for being stupid
13:52:06	Usergnome	Thanks again
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14:14:02	copper	11:41:22 UTC <Usergnome> I may of done something wrong, when I turn on my sansaclip it takes to me the rockbox firmware, when I press the on button and the home button at the same time it takes me to the original firmware?
14:14:11	copper	how did he figure that out without reading the manual?
14:17:12	[Saint]	no idea.
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14:31:33	Usergnome	How do I install music on rockbox
14:31:58	Usergnome	I put a bunch of MP3 files onto the folder called ##MUSIC#
14:32:02	Usergnome	It doesn't show up on my clip
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14:47:53	[Saint]	Hmmmmm.
14:48:25	[Saint]	If I use %Sx to translate a string, isn't it supposed to fall back to English if the string isn't translated?
14:49:33	[Saint]	hmmmm - no - translated strings, but, only _some_ of them, are fucking up in this theme.
14:49:43	[Saint]	french is fine...
14:50:48	[Saint]	and italian
14:51:46	[Saint]	hmmm, meybe these languages /really/ are missing a metric fucktonne of translated strings, but that still doesn't explain why it isn't falling back to English when there's no string present.
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14:54:52	Usergnome	After installing rockbox I get this message when trying to add music to my sansaclip: error accesing playlist control file
14:55:02	Usergnome	What do?
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15:19:30	[Saint]	oh - derp.
15:19:43	[Saint]	I'm hardcoding the font in the wps.
15:19:49	[Saint]	#idiot
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15:20:43	Usergnome	I might of bricked my sansa clip
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15:23:33	Usergnome	Hello?
15:25:19	dfkt	hold the power button for 30+ seconds to reset it
15:26:54	Usergnome	Thanks, that did work
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15:27:21	copper	he could just stay in here for a while
15:30:30	dfkt	too easy
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15:55:40	Usergnome	Yes, I am back. Sorry. But I can't into technology. How am I suppose to add music to rockbox? The manual for the sansaclip isn't available and I can't download the PDF for reasons I don't know.
15:58:58	Usergnome	I understand I need to setup a database, but if it hangs if I don't add music, except I don't know where to add the music too
15:58:59	Usergnome	to*
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16:10:10	franklin	Usergnome, sorry, I wasn't here for long, could you repeat what you said?
16:10:31	franklin	Oh, NVM
16:10:53	franklin	Well, you connect the Clip to your computer and copy the files over.
16:11:31	Usergnome	I've placed the files in a Folder called MUSIC and another folder called ##MUSIC#, when I disconnect my Sansaclip the files don't show on my CLIP
16:11:58	franklin	Are you booting into Rockbox or the original firmware?
16:12:03	Usergnome	Rockbox
16:12:19	franklin	Can you see the MUSIC folder when you go to the files menu?
16:12:22	Usergnome	Yes
16:12:33	franklin	Then the files should be inside it
16:12:48	franklin	Just select them to play
16:14:00	Usergnome	Nothing appears, also when I disconnect my sansaclip from my computer I get the message: Error accessing playlist control file
16:14:14	franklin	Are you ejecting the clip properly?
16:14:23	franklin	FAT is easily corruptable
16:14:32	Usergnome	Yes
16:14:37	Usergnome	Certain
16:14:50	franklin	What files did you copy to the MUSIC folder?
16:15:11	Usergnome	17 MP3 files
16:15:35	franklin	When you reconnect to computer, can you see the files there?
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16:15:38	Usergnome	Yes
16:16:02	franklin	Well, you could set the file browser to display all files
16:16:07	franklin	That could help
16:16:25	Usergnome	On the rockbox?
16:16:32	Usergnome	Or my file manager
16:16:38	franklin	Settings -> General -> File View -> Show Files -> All on Rockbox
16:17:17	franklin	Usergnome, you running GNOME on Linux? :)
16:17:37	Usergnome	Yes, best desktop environment. Also franklin that worked, thank you very much.
16:18:13	Usergnome	franklin: They show, but they don't play
16:18:31	franklin	What are their extensions?
16:18:34	franklin	.mp3?
16:18:37	Usergnome	Yes
16:18:47	franklin	What happens when you click on them?
16:18:51	Usergnome	Nothing
16:19:02	franklin	Do their names end with .mp3?
16:19:15	Usergnome	One second, I want to test something
16:20:14	franklin	Try renaming them to end with .mp3 (Long click -> Rename)
16:20:45	franklin	Should work then
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16:21:25	Usergnome	Oh thankgod
16:21:27	Usergnome	It worked
16:21:34	franklin	What did?
16:21:39	Usergnome	Adding mp3
16:21:46	Usergnome	Sorry for being braindead
16:21:58	Usergnome	But for some reason if I add MP3 from my computer it doesn't work
16:22:11	franklin	Maybe on the computer it doesn't end with .mp3?
16:22:37	Usergnome	I mean if I add the letters .mp3 to a file it wont play, I have to do it on the sansaclip
16:22:51	franklin	From nautilus?
16:22:56	Usergnome	Yes
16:23:30	franklin	Ugh I hate GUI file browsers... Maybe Nautilus is like windows and won't allow you to change the extension...
16:24:22	*	franklin prefers Openbox
16:24:24	Usergnome	Alright franklin, not everyone is as smart as you, I don't know EVER command in the Terminal
16:24:49	Usergnome	Openbox is ricer crap, it's about the software you use not the window manager
16:25:04	franklin	OK, go to terminal, cd to your MUSIC folder
16:25:10	franklin	then type ls
16:25:27	Usergnome	what about man?
16:25:42	franklin	What about it? :)
16:25:58	Usergnome	Ok
16:26:19	franklin	Do you see a directory listing?
16:26:50	Usergnome	Sorry I am fixing my rockbox atm
16:26:57	franklin	Sure :)
16:27:16	Usergnome	I wanted to get a haircut at 1AM, It's now 3 and I just got my music working
16:27:38	Usergnome	I should get a job in IT
16:29:09	franklin	You can join #rockbox-community for offtopic chat if you want :)
16:29:24	franklin	type /join #rockbox-community in IRC
16:29:53	Usergnome	I'll probably end up back here for some reason, if I see people ask questions that I can help with, I probably will.
16:29:59	Usergnome	Probably.
16:30:14	franklin	If you can program, you're welcome to contribute :)
16:30:42	Usergnome	Only programming language I know a little about is HTML / CSS
16:30:58	franklin	C is VERY useful on Linux especially
16:34:53	Usergnome	Are all chats on IRC archived? Do they ever reset?
16:35:12	wodz	channel is logged, yes
16:35:25	wodz	http://www.rockbox.org/irc/
16:35:41	wodz	going back to 2002 :-)
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16:36:05	Usergnome	Shame its logged
16:37:00	wodz	Usergnome: why?
16:37:13	wodz	thats pretty usefull
16:37:34	Usergnome	For anonymity its useful
16:38:01	Usergnome	un-useful*
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16:40:19	wodz	Sure, you can stop using internet altogether and you will be super anonymous. That is not the point. The point of this channel is to spin communication on topic. People are not online all the time so logs are handy
16:40:54	wodz	not saying there is huge knowledge baggage in it
16:41:37	Usergnome	"Sure, you can stop using internet " - I willingly use IRC and don't hide my IP, I haven't gone full stallman...
16:44:32	Zagor	only this channel is logged, by us, for support and development purposes. irc as such is not logged.
16:44:41	Usergnome	ok
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16:47:14	wodz	Zagor: Has anything changed recently? I can't log into gerrit anymore
16:48:06	wodz	I mean web part
16:54:44	Zagor	not that I know of, no
16:54:55	wodz	franklin: many rockbox plugins are ported from external sources (zxbox, doom, lua, etc.)
16:55:05	wodz	Zagor: hmm, strange
16:55:56	wodz	Zagor: I get 'The page you requested was not found, or you do not have permission to view this page.' after successful authentication using google account
16:57:02	Zagor	I get that too. I'll look at it a bit later. Gotta run soon.
16:57:10	wodz	thanks
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17:02:37	franklin	wodz, but once they are ported, aren' they part of Rockbox then?
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17:03:22	wodz	unless someone finds weird bug fixed upstream and intends to backport into rockbox
17:03:48	franklin	well... :)
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17:10:52	franklin	Usergnome, whenever I use GNOME, it crashes on this thing and I need to killall X
17:13:35	Usergnome	Ok
17:13:47	Usergnome	Do you need help?
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17:15:20	wodz	guys, move elsewhere
17:16:09	franklin	Usergnome, join #rockbox-community then
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18:15:25	franklin	Hey has anyone noticed that the test_resize plugin doesn't work (even with a /test.bmp file)?
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18:29:06	pamaury	franklin: go and fix it :p
18:29:16	pamaury	I don't even know what it's supposed to do ^^
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19:15:19	fs-bluebot	Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 53d9f2e, 253 builds, 28 clients.
19:16:10	wodz	pamaury: I just pushed rkwtool to inspect CP3's CP3.ROM update file
19:16:25	wodz	pamaury: You can have a look if you are interested
19:17:06	pamaury	wodz: ok thanks, at least I know it exists now ^ ^
19:18:02	wodz	now, having this done maybe I'll start hacking cp3 again
19:23:24	pamaury	the more I work on the sansa view/pp6100, the more questions I have about the pp port
19:24:56	pamaury	I wonder if the DEV_INITn registers have anything to do with initialisation really
19:25:56	wodz	unfortunately there are not so many people who know something about PP
19:27:37	pamaury	yeah I know, but it's kind of weird to think of some registers may have to do with pin multiplexing when someone thought they had to do with init ^^ This soc is a mess anyway
19:31:25	franklin	Have you guys seen saratoga around recently?
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19:34:16	dfkt	franklin, saratoga usually reads the channel logs
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19:37:06	wodz	pamaury: Did you try to obtain documentation for early Tegra chips? It is believed this are heavily influenced by PP
19:37:36	pamaury	no, because it's impossible to find, so I guess they never released it either
19:38:07	wodz	http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~theom/riscos/docs/Tegra2_TRM_DP04508001v01p.pdf
19:39:37	pamaury	do you think Tegra 2 is close enough ?
19:40:41	wodz	don't know, that is the oldest I found
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19:41:45	pamaury	yeah that's the problem, tegra apx is older but very hard to find, still thanks for this one :)
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19:44:36	saratoga	Zagor: can you check on the HTML manuals? they've stopped building
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19:50:33	saratoga	franklin:g#888 breaks building the clip+
19:50:48	saratoga	should probably disable building on targets that don't have a large enough screen
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19:59:44	franklin	saratoga, it works but it gives a warning
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20:00:03	saratoga	on the clip+ it fails to build
20:00:08	saratoga	but you shouldn't give warnings either
20:00:35	franklin	What's the error/warning?
20:01:10	franklin	I think I ran it in the clip zip sim
20:02:03	franklin	It gives the warning, but it runs normally
20:02:18	franklin	See http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48355.0;attach=6527
20:02:21	gevaerts	Clip zip and clip plus have very different screens
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20:02:37	franklin	Which one is smaller?
20:02:49	gevaerts	Depends on how you look at it :)
20:02:55	gevaerts	96x96 vs 128x64
20:03:03	franklin	ahhhh
20:03:08	franklin	interesting
20:03:37	franklin	Should still work, thoguh
20:04:08	franklin	Some of the tiles might be overflowing just a bit
20:04:34	saratoga	it doesn't even build
20:04:38	franklin	Is clip+ b+w?
20:04:49	saratoga	yes
20:04:53	franklin	oh
20:04:55	franklin	well...
20:05:20	gevaerts	Well
20:05:24	gevaerts	Blue and yellow :)
20:05:35	franklin	bugfix...
20:05:38	saratoga	are you checking for monochrome? it does build on the ipod 4g
20:05:46	franklin	Yeah, I know
20:06:35	gevaerts	Isn't that one greyscale?
20:06:38	franklin	Yeah so the screen is so tiny the tiles might not fit
20:07:05	franklin	And you might not be able to read them :)
20:07:29	gevaerts	There's no fundamental reason for the tiles to be actual numbers :)
20:07:42	franklin	Color-2048?
20:07:47	franklin	:)
20:08:39	franklin	saratoga, what else have you tested it on?
20:09:11	saratoga	good point, i was thinking some of the ipods were monochrome, but i guess they were grayscale
20:09:22	franklin	Yeah, i've tried it on ipod1g/2g
20:09:23	saratoga	ipod4g, e200sim, clip+
20:10:02	franklin	OK, it does NOT work on clip+, all I see is some blue+yellow dots :)
20:11:11	franklin	But everything else works, right? c200 should work since it has color
20:12:05	franklin	But I remember one of the older patch sets had a text-drawing mode
20:12:15	saratoga	it generates a bunch of warnings on the c200
20:12:40	franklin	What are they? Screen too small? That's fine
20:13:05	saratoga	you need to fix those before it can be commited
20:13:23	franklin	Yeah, just take out the #warnings
20:13:28	franklin	But does it work?
20:13:35	saratoga	i don't have a c200 handy
20:13:40	franklin	in the sim?
20:13:47	franklin	ok bb I need to go
20:13:50	franklin	sorry :(
20:13:52	franklin	later :)
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20:23:09	franklin	ok sorry about that :)
20:24:07	franklin	saratoga, what define allows me to know that it's a screen like the Clip+'s?
20:24:14	franklin	LCD_DEPTH?
20:24:37	saratoga	franklin: you can check the screen resolution using preprocessor macros
20:24:49	saratoga	see apps/plugins/SOURCES for example
20:25:09	franklin	I know, but the color depth?
20:25:25	franklin	So COLOR_DEPTH<4?
20:25:41	franklin	And then grey_bitmap?
20:25:47	franklin	gray :p
20:29:00	franklin	Or HAVE_LCD_COLOR?
20:33:19	saratoga	what is the actual problem? drawing on 1 bit screens or drawing on screens that don't have color?
20:33:27	saratoga	or is it the resolution?
20:33:35	saratoga	pick the define for the problem you have
20:34:28	franklin	Resolution is fine
20:34:31	franklin	So 1-bit and color
20:34:35	franklin	What define?
20:34:47	franklin	LCD_COLOR or LCD_DEPTH?
20:35:28	franklin	because I want it to use the bitmaps on the ipod greyscale but numbers on clip+
20:35:47	franklin	Or just not build on clip+
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20:41:38	saratoga	if you have a problem with 1 bit displays, then LCD_DEPTH > 1
20:42:05	saratoga	LCD_COLOR just says if its a color display (which will probably be 16 bit or greater)
20:42:29	saratoga	(basically, its checking for packed RGB pixels)
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21:16:25	Usergnome	Does rockbox support FLAC?
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21:19:31	jhMikeS	Last time I played a FLAC file it seemed to work :)
21:20:52	Usergnome	Is FLAC the best file type to store audio? I have a few songs stored as MP3 and they seem low quality
21:21:07	Usergnome	I am not too sure why though, I am assuming it's the file type?
21:22:32	lleeloo	Hi to all. What is the best way to add support for ARM cortex-m in asm: create new asm file and modify code to thumb or use #ifdef in the same files?
21:24:04	jhMikeS	Usergnome: "best" is relative. I guess if you want to compress files without any loss of quality, FLAC or APE qualifies.
21:24:58	lleeloo	for example in folder firmware/asm/arm/ffs.s file. to compile to cortex-m: create new file ffscm4.s or insert some amount #ifdef in ffs.s file?
21:25:00	jhMikeS	If they're already in MP3 and you don't have the original, forget about changing it.
21:25:54	jhMikeS	lleeloo: if you've got arm, that one will be made already
21:27:17	jhMikeS	lleeloo: any new functions need a generic implementation foo.c, and a foo.S in the processor-specific directory
21:29:41	lleeloo	is that mean i must provide my own file (for wxample) memset16.s in processor-specific dir?
21:29:54	Usergnome	Each one my songs seem to also be at different volume levels, is there anyway to choose a volume level for each song in rockbox?
21:31:24	Usergnome	Instead of changing the volume level for ALL songs
21:32:29	lleeloo	so any ASM file for generic ARM I must provide in cpu-specific dir? But in general the code is common, and only some differences in directives end ec =(t
21:33:37	gevaerts	Usergnome: have a look at replaygain
21:33:41	lleeloo	i cant't compile generic ARM asm file for cortex-m cpu =(
21:34:53	lleeloo	because it support only thumb2
21:34:59	jhMikeS	lleeloo: at this point, one option is to not use the asm stuff yet.
21:37:02	lleeloo	what about files like firmware/target/arm/system-arm.h ? What should i do?
21:37:40	Usergnome	gevaerts: I am confused, is replygain a default feature on the sansaclip?
21:37:45	lleeloo	and in codecs optimisation asm for arm?
21:38:46	jhMikeS	lleeloo: well, none of that is thumb2 so until you or mr. someone writes those in thumb2, it's useless. there's quite a bit of code to try to get working now.
21:41:17	lleeloo	i already had
21:42:02	lleeloo	but should i inset this code inside system-arm.h or create new file like system-armv7m.h ?
21:42:18	jhMikeS	is __thumb__ defined when compling that?
21:43:26	lleeloo	only in configure: GCCOPTS="$CCOPTS -mthumb -march=armv7e-m -mtune=cortex-m4"
21:44:48	lleeloo	at this time i use my own system-cortexm.h file for my board. So which way is right?
21:49:13	lleeloo	so look at this diff. may be it help to understand my question http://pastebin.com/mLyGPd0x
21:49:49	lleeloo	especially at + .syntax unified
21:49:49	lleeloo	+ .thumb
21:50:14	lleeloo	and "IT xx" sections
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21:55:51	jhMikeS	I haven't learned that ins set yet. If can execute rsbne but still needs "it ne"?
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22:00:06	jhMikeS	I think the IT block should be added automatically
22:00:43	lleeloo	yes it still need=) i also think so, but i can't do so
22:01:27	lleeloo	may be i don't know how to do this(insert IT automatically) =(((
22:02:33	jhMikeS	According to docs, the assmebler should when conditional instructions are used
22:03:13	lleeloo	ok, i try to find answer
22:03:15	jhMikeS	But, ffs.S isn't being used on ARM >= 5 right now.
22:03:38	lleeloo	there are many other asm files ...
22:04:11	lleeloo	<jhMikeS> But, ffs.S isn't being used on ARM >= 5 right now. when i compile it used !?!?
22:04:17	jhMikeS	sure, and inline assembly in thread.c
22:04:41	jhMikeS	lleeloo: maybe becuase __thumb__?
22:05:10	lleeloo	__thumb__ ... i try to define it now
22:05:32	jhMikeS	you don't define that, GCC does
22:06:34	lleeloo	warning: "__thumb__" redefined [enabled by default]
22:06:44	lleeloo	=)
22:06:45	jhMikeS	I guess it is
22:07:41	jhMikeS	that probably why it's using it but in this case it could use __builtin_ctz version if ARM instructions aren't available
22:11:52	lleeloo	so what your advise is? create new file for cortex-m or modify files for normal ARM?
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22:14:48	jhMikeS	lleeloo: make a version in ffs.S with the right stuff for cortex-m or don't use that file and change the conditions in bitarray.h and system.h to use the instrinsic version
22:20:06	jhMikeS	lleeloo: is this running as an app or native?
22:22:02	lleeloo	i write bootloader for stm32f4. after that i compile rockbox for stm32f4 (my weak port) and run int on my devboard. so i think it run native in mcu
22:28:01	lleeloo	i can show some video if it need... now i try to do "the right" port, that can be used by other people. but i have a little expirience and knowleges in rockbox architecture. i never used GIT before=( thats why i need help of professionals like peoples at this IRC.
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22:43:16	jhMikeS	well, with GIT I just google that. there's a good chance it's been problematic for someone needing to do something basic.
22:50:13	saratoga	yeah git is painful to learn
22:50:43	saratoga	fortunately if you're just developing a new port, you pretty much just need to post to gerrit and not much else
22:54:08	lleeloo	but i afraid that my changes in source tree will be ugly and everyone will laugh on my knowleges and English lang skills=(
22:54:59	jhMikeS	if there are issues with source, we'll point them out and just revise and push another version to gerrit
22:55:11	jhMikeS	no big deal
22:57:32	lleeloo	ok, i do that, but i will ask some questions while porting in progress
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23:05:26	kugel	jhMikeS: hey. i have a question wrt the new rw locks. why is mrsw_read_aquire not recursive?
23:07:27	kugel	jhMikeS: i mean it's recursive in the sense that you can aquire it another time, but there is no aquire count that needs to be balanced out
23:08:13	jhMikeS	kugel: yes there is
23:08:41	jhMikeS	but, not in the no-priority case. it just accumulates total acquires.
23:09:05	jhMikeS	with priority, count is a count unique reader owners
23:09:11	jhMikeS	*count of
23:10:03	jhMikeS	and also, there's a small block of bytes to track each thread's recursion (I hope 256 acquires is sufficient :)
23:10:34	kugel	hm
23:11:19	jhMikeS	with priority, basic reader ownership is just a bitmask of the thread index
23:12:51	kugel	reading again, when you own the write lock then reader recursion is not tracked
23:13:11	jhMikeS	nope
23:13:25	kugel	why that?
23:15:06	jhMikeS	for now, it's really just to prevent issues in a few spots where filesystem calls can be made if the calling thread owns the writer lock and so the reads calls will be made while holding writer access
23:15:57	kugel	but what prevents recursion tracking here?
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23:16:58	jhMikeS	it doesn't need to if it has the writer lock
23:17:54	jhMikeS	and ok, I don't want to track two statuses (I don't think). then I'd need to demote if it relinquishes all write locks but still has read locks.
23:18:04	kugel	sure, to catch buggy/unbalanced calls
23:19:16	jhMikeS	If you want heavy checking then sure, it could be done. Do you want it all the time? I could add more checking to everything.
23:19:50	kugel	yes, for these crucial primitives
23:19:51	jhMikeS	that piece of it is a convenience for internal code really. apps should avoid it.
23:21:09	jhMikeS	I suppose the recursion counter byte could be used instead and forget about making ->count more negative to track the writer recursion.
23:22:14	jhMikeS	but setting it up as both a writer and a reader owner, that's going to get nasty I think
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